Delsy
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Post by Delsy on May 15, 2021 11:15:16 GMT
When you think of some of the crimes committed in this country that go to court and don’t result in a custodial sentence I would be extremely surprised if our manager goes to prison, sorry to obviously disappoint some on here. Handbags in a football tunnel during a lower league footy match isn’t I think going to get the judge reaching for his black cap. The sooner this date comes and goes the better so we can get the whole of the club focused and pulling together for the tasks required to succeed next season and if there is going to be some community service to be dished out then I am sure there will be some paint and a brush available up at The Quarters !
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 11:52:35 GMT
To be fair basel (and the doctor), that's not what was said by AMPG. It is something quite plain to see ,there are some on this forum that want Rovers manager to go to prison. Destructive and useless. I didn't want him near our club and I still don't. We have a following of 7,000 regular fans and the division between the fanbase is harmful and could and should have been realised before his appointment. OK if he had kept us up then the division could have been justified and a call for unity hard to resist. However the results got even worse and he relegated the club which has made the division even deeper. I would agree with destructive and useless though, that is what his appointment has been.
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Post by baselswh on May 15, 2021 12:05:10 GMT
It is something quite plain to see ,there are some on this forum that want Rovers manager to go to prison. Destructive and useless. I didn't want him near our club and I still don't. We have a following of 7,000 regular fans and the division between the fanbase is harmful and could and should have been realised before his appointment. OK if he had kept us up then the division could have been justified and a call for unity hard to resist. However the results got even worse and he relegated the club which has made the division even deeper. I would agree with destructive and useless though, that is what his appointment has been. There was division in the 7000 over a successful manager in Graham Couglan.It should of been ignored,if it had of been,this seasons relegation may well of been from the 2nd tier to the 3rd! What has gone on since and including the GC departure has seen abject failiure.As Ben Garner was given a free reign to have ago with 'his and TWs' signings,so Joey deserves his go.That's common football sense. How about we stick by WAQs decision,unify and have a good go at the 4th tier. What about a bloke serving his time and given another chance? How many of the 7000 Gasheads have a criminal record? On JBs football career he deserves ago at Rovers. This cascade of anti Joey Barton - Bristol Rovers manager - is destructive and useless.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 12:14:30 GMT
I didn't want him near our club and I still don't. We have a following of 7,000 regular fans and the division between the fanbase is harmful and could and should have been realised before his appointment. OK if he had kept us up then the division could have been justified and a call for unity hard to resist. However the results got even worse and he relegated the club which has made the division even deeper. I would agree with destructive and useless though, that is what his appointment has been. What about a bloke serving his time and given another chance? How many of the 7000 Gasheads have a criminal record? We will have to wait to see if his found guilty first and hear the evidence of what actually did occur. Quite a few Basel but none are the public face of Bristol Rovers and most are banned if they are convicted of an offence within a football ground. We will have to wait to see if those standards are upheld with the manager if found guilty.
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Post by baselswh on May 15, 2021 12:43:44 GMT
What about a bloke serving his time and given another chance? How many of the 7000 Gasheads have a criminal record? We will have to wait to see if his found guilty first and hear the evidence of what actually did occur. Quite a few Basel but none are the public face of Bristol Rovers and most are banned if they are convicted of an offence within a football ground. We will have to wait to see if those standards are upheld with the manager if found guilty. Maybe they are the "public face" of other organisations? Been given another chance. Did'nt Rovers have a player (now transferred) that quite recently played for us after what was- I think - a 'hit and run'? I never heard a thing of protest against him at the time. What constitutes representing Rovers? A player. Coach, manager,board member,other staff etc. Supporters. We're the 12th man ay? 'We' ,through the name of Bristol Rovers raise money for charity and have helped many local people that could do with some support. Supporters have been publicly shamed after crowd trouble because their actions have 'dragged the name of Bristol Rovers through the mud'. That looks like BRFC representation.An FC is a church of people and therefore 'unperfect'.
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 15, 2021 14:42:48 GMT
I do love the pious twaddle some people write on here. that's good - I suspect that there will be lots more of it until Joeybag leaves the club Well if he gets poached after being successful hopefully all of us will be happy, but feel free to continue your vendetta. If he's not successful, just normal service for us Rovers fans.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 15, 2021 14:58:57 GMT
We will have to wait to see if his found guilty first and hear the evidence of what actually did occur. Quite a few Basel but none are the public face of Bristol Rovers and most are banned if they are convicted of an offence within a football ground. We will have to wait to see if those standards are upheld with the manager if found guilty. Maybe they are the "public face" of other organisations? Been given another chance. Did'nt Rovers have a player (now transferred) that quite recently played for us after what was- I think - a 'hit and run'? I never heard a thing of protest against him at the time. What constitutes representing Rovers? A player. Coach, manager,board member,other staff etc. Supporters. We're the 12th man ay? 'We' ,through the name of Bristol Rovers raise money for charity and have helped many local people that could do with some support. Supporters have been publicly shamed after crowd trouble because their actions have 'dragged the name of Bristol Rovers through the mud'. That looks like BRFC representation.An FC is a church of people and therefore 'unperfect'. Some of those supporters had no charges against them. I know of 5 who no longer use any antisocial media as their jobs were in danger yet they were publicly named, even though they did absolutely nothing wrong.
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Post by baselswh on May 15, 2021 15:01:31 GMT
Maybe they are the "public face" of other organisations? Been given another chance. Did'nt Rovers have a player (now transferred) that quite recently played for us after what was- I think - a 'hit and run'? I never heard a thing of protest against him at the time. What constitutes representing Rovers? A player. Coach, manager,board member,other staff etc. Supporters. We're the 12th man ay? 'We' ,through the name of Bristol Rovers raise money for charity and have helped many local people that could do with some support. Supporters have been publicly shamed after crowd trouble because their actions have 'dragged the name of Bristol Rovers through the mud'. That looks like BRFC representation.An FC is a church of people and therefore 'unperfect'. Some of those supporters had no charges against them. I know of 5 who no longer use any antisocial media as their jobs were in danger yet they were publicly named, even though they did absolutely nothing wrong. I don't get your point KP? I'm not referring to any particular incident.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 15, 2021 15:05:05 GMT
that's good - I suspect that there will be lots more of it until Joeybag leaves the club Well if he gets poached after being successful hopefully all of us will be happy, but feel free to continue your vendetta. If he's not successful, just normal service for us Rovers fans. Some of “us” fellow offenders had to fight, tooth & nail, just to get a menial job. You call it a vendetta yet , I can only talk of my own past, never had the chance to go straight into a managerial position. For the record, my history is nowhere near that of Barton. I have always fought, hard, to give a second chance but how many further chances would it take, for you to take umbrage? I believe we can all change but, given Barton’s rants and very poorly thought out comments, do you think he has holmesgas1
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 15, 2021 15:06:16 GMT
Some of those supporters had no charges against them. I know of 5 who no longer use any antisocial media as their jobs were in danger yet they were publicly named, even though they did absolutely nothing wrong. I don't get your point KP? I'm not referring to any particular incident. I was referring to this mate Supporters have been publicly shamed after crowd trouble because their actions have 'dragged the name of Bristol Rovers through the mud'.
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Post by baselswh on May 15, 2021 15:24:57 GMT
I don't get your point KP? I'm not referring to any particular incident. I was referring to this mate Supporters have been publicly shamed after crowd trouble because their actions have 'dragged the name of Bristol Rovers through the mud'. Yes,but that's a different subject.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 15:27:14 GMT
that's good - I suspect that there will be lots more of it until Joeybag leaves the club Well if he gets poached after being successful hopefully all of us will be happy, but feel free to continue your vendetta. If he's not successful, just normal service for us Rovers fans. Vendetta is a bit harsh, it's a difference of opinion to yours but that comes with a divisive situation and is unavoidable. I think both sides of the divide have made themselves clear and I wouldn't attempt to change yours or any other Joey backers minds I just think that we all need to respect each others differences.
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 15, 2021 15:41:44 GMT
Well if he gets poached after being successful hopefully all of us will be happy, but feel free to continue your vendetta. If he's not successful, just normal service for us Rovers fans. Vendetta is a bit harsh, it's a difference of opinion to yours but that comes with a divisive situation and is unavoidable. I think both sides of the divide have made themselves clear and I wouldn't attempt to change yours or any other Joey backers minds I just think that we all need to respect each others differences. Agree with that.
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 15, 2021 15:55:33 GMT
Well if he gets poached after being successful hopefully all of us will be happy, but feel free to continue your vendetta. If he's not successful, just normal service for us Rovers fans. Some of “us” fellow offenders had to fight, tooth & nail, just to get a menial job. You call it a vendetta yet , I can only talk of my own past, never had the chance to go straight into a managerial position. For the record, my history is nowhere near that of Barton. I have always fought, hard, to give a second chance but how many further chances would it take, for you to take umbrage? I believe we can all change but, given Barton’s rants and very poorly thought out comments, do you think he has holmesgas1KP, fair point and fair play. Whether he's changed not sure and I realise it may be easier to assume not and get rid. I do wish he'd tone down some of his comments and just stick to the future and job in hand. However in footballing terms you know I think he's one of the better options. As an aside, I was reading an article about Swindon, and when the local Swindon rag says the best candidates to date are Fowler, Cooper, Tisdale, Rickets, etc there seems to be a dearth of talent out there, unless you take a punt on a Garner type young coach, and that can go either way, great for Blackpool and terrible for us.
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 15, 2021 15:58:39 GMT
I do love the pious twaddle some people write on here. "Bartonites", how about we are just supporting our club, and before you ask why, and say that I am deluded, that's already explained, so gets a little boring. If he goes down we will all deal with that then, but it will not be end of Bristol Rovers, that's for sure. Pious and divisive twaddle, if you please. At last, a fair assessment :-)
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dinsdale
Andy Rammell
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Post by dinsdale on May 15, 2021 18:32:09 GMT
When you think of some of the crimes committed in this country that go to court and don’t result in a custodial sentence I would be extremely surprised if our manager goes to prison, sorry to obviously disappoint some on here. Handbags in a football tunnel during a lower league footy match isn’t I think going to get the judge reaching for his black cap. The sooner this date comes and goes the better so we can get the whole of the club focused and pulling together for the tasks required to succeed next season and if there is going to be some community service to be dished out then I am sure there will be some paint and a brush available up at The Quarters ! Custody isnt a sentencing option for a category 3 abh
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Post by droitwichgas on May 15, 2021 19:04:13 GMT
When you think of some of the crimes committed in this country that go to court and don’t result in a custodial sentence I would be extremely surprised if our manager goes to prison, sorry to obviously disappoint some on here. Handbags in a football tunnel during a lower league footy match isn’t I think going to get the judge reaching for his black cap. The sooner this date comes and goes the better so we can get the whole of the club focused and pulling together for the tasks required to succeed next season and if there is going to be some community service to be dished out then I am sure there will be some paint and a brush available up at The Quarters ! Custody isnt a sentencing option for a category 3 abh Why are you certain it's only cat 3 abh rather than car 2, isn't that something only the judge can decide after they've heard all the evidence during the trial?
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dinsdale
Andy Rammell
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Post by dinsdale on May 15, 2021 20:14:23 GMT
Custody isnt a sentencing option for a category 3 abh Why are you certain it's only cat 3 abh rather than car 2, isn't that something only the judge can decide after they've heard all the evidence during the trial? Because i spent two decades being involved in sentencing and have the sentencing guidance manual. Categories 1 and 2 are very serious injuries where as this based on the injury disclosed by the alleged victim is a broken tooth as the result of a push. The higher categories refer to elements of planning and not an impulsive or reactive shove as described by the victim. As i say i was anxious as i remember the sentencing for those city players. We were all asked to do the court reports in my office but we were all gasheads so it got shunted around. They were looking at unpaid work but as it was affray i believe the judge threw the book at them. Ive read the guidance all the way through, there is no custody option
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Andy Rammell
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Post by dinsdale on May 15, 2021 20:15:33 GMT
Fyi i used to be Probation Gas back in the day so thats my background
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Post by a more piratey game on May 15, 2021 20:20:29 GMT
Fyi i used to be Probation Gas back in the day so thats my background it's a bit unusual, having someone who knows what they are talking about, on here
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