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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 20:33:44 GMT
Absolutely nothing in that interview that says the EFL have made a decision. I have never said that they had but you can draw your own conclusions to the tone and content. The admin said the EFL had made their mind up, not you mate. I never said that. No doubt he'll apologise for being wrong. Cough.
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Post by a more piratey game on May 13, 2021 20:38:19 GMT
having met the barristers who did that work, I don't think they were at fault Are you suggesting that our ex chairman didn't listen to legal advice? I didn't and wouldn't My own view is, though, that the representations he made in public were, to borrow Alan Clark's phrase, economical with the actualite. Imagine that, in football!
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Post by a more piratey game on May 13, 2021 21:47:14 GMT
Are you suggesting that our ex chairman didn't listen to legal advice? I didn't and wouldn't My own view is, though, that the representations he made in public were, to borrow Alan Clark's phrase, economical with the actualite. Imagine that, in football! To be fair to him, he chose to roll the dice, with a fair idea of the odds. You can agree or disagree with that decision Having made the decision, I'm guessing he felt obliged to convey conviction. PR was, in my view, never his strong point, and what was said on this felt particularly awkward, but I think he put his money where his mouth was in the hope of benefitting the club But things didn't work out as hoped. Life is fairly often like that
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Post by emperorsuperbus on May 14, 2021 9:21:02 GMT
I understand that the EFL have already come to a verdict. They cannot comment due to the Crown Court case. Is it possible for the Crown Court to find him 'not guilty' and the EFL find him 'guilty'? If the Crown Court finds him guilty, I guess it doesn't really matter what the EFL find. Any lawyers out there? June 7th is a massively pivotal point in the history of Bristol Rovers FC. Just ask Bristol Live or the BBC. Ssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Who's your mate who leaks stuff at the EFL then, or is this more "I have been told" claptrap? But listen to this, I don’t do BS. I’ve got a mate and her Aunty works at a certain Yorkshire club (carrying plates of food and mugs of tea) and she has said the bloke fell over and Barton was at least ten yards behind, and all the witnesses and camera footage confirms this. Despite not being the closest person to the accident, Joey still made it to first on the scene to help the guy up, and then so unfairly (story of Barton’s life) got blamed for something he didn’t do. Simultaneously to the mistaken court case, Joey is front runner for the “South Yorkshire Samaritan Award for aid to non UK nationals” or something.
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Post by eppinggas on May 14, 2021 10:38:37 GMT
I didn't and wouldn't My own view is, though, that the representations he made in public were, to borrow Alan Clark's phrase, economical with the actualite. Imagine that, in football! To be fair to him, he chose to roll the dice, with a fair idea of the odds. You can agree or disagree with that decision Having made the decision, I'm guessing he felt obliged to convey conviction. PR was, in my view, never his strong point, and what was said on this felt particularly awkward, but I think he put his money where his mouth was in the hope of benefitting the club But things didn't work out as hoped. Life is fairly often like that I went to the High Court for the initial hearing. I spoke off record with one of the legal team after what I thought was a 'good day'. I suggested odds were 60-40 in our favour. He suggested the other way round and 40-60 (at best). Even given those odds, I'm not surprised that Nick Higgs pursued it. I thought our legal team were pretty decent. But the odds were always stacked against us with a FTSE 100 company defending a standard contract that they had written. And they knew where all the loopholes were. Anyway. To June 7th.
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Post by eppinggas on May 14, 2021 10:46:15 GMT
I have never said that they had but you can draw your own conclusions to the tone and content. The admin said the EFL had made their mind up, not you mate. I never said that. No doubt he'll apologise for being wrong. Cough. Nope. Nice try. I said that "my understanding was". This understanding was based on what was written by PHE. It transpires that the EFL were not explicit in their words pertaining to the incident and whether they had 'made up their minds or not', though PHE has drawn his own conclusion. No need for any apologies here. If you feel there is - please use the report function and the other mods can take a look at it. You should see a doctor about that cough.
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Post by a more piratey game on May 14, 2021 10:55:28 GMT
The admin said the EFL had made their mind up, not you mate. I never said that. No doubt he'll apologise for being wrong. Cough. Nope. Nice try. I said that "my understanding was". This understanding was based on what was written by PHE. It transpires that the EFL were not explicit in their words pertaining to the incident and whether they had 'made up their minds or not', though PHE has drawn his own conclusion. No need for any apologies here. If you feel there is - please use the report function and the other mods can take a look at it. You should see a doctor about that cough. shame you edited that - I thought Pop Eyebrows Harris was quite a good username
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 13:52:55 GMT
The admin said the EFL had made their mind up, not you mate. I never said that. No doubt he'll apologise for being wrong. Cough. Nope. Nice try. I said that "my understanding was". This understanding was based on what was written by PHE. It transpires that the EFL were not explicit in their words pertaining to the incident and whether they had 'made up their minds or not', though PHE has drawn his own conclusion. No need for any apologies here. If you feel there is - please use the report function and the other mods can take a look at it. You should see a doctor about that cough. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
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Post by dinsdale on May 14, 2021 17:38:52 GMT
All i can say is my prisons going to have one hell of an upgrade on its football team soon. If found guilty he will have the book thrown at him like the 4 s**theads
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Post by dinsdale on May 14, 2021 20:04:54 GMT
Joking aside - Been researching my sentencing guidance from when i was a court Probation Officer advising on sentencing.Whatever way i look at it its a category 3 ABH where the maximum sentence is a community order. I was twitchy as the city players were recommended for unpaid work and got jail
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Post by emperorsuperbus on May 15, 2021 2:28:42 GMT
Joking aside - Been researching my sentencing guidance from when i was a court Probation Officer advising on sentencing.Whatever way i look at it its a category 3 ABH where the maximum sentence is a community order. I was twitchy as the city players were recommended for unpaid work and got jail does it take previous into account though? 6 months jail for violent assault, in court again for same spared jail. Is that how it’s supposed to work?
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Post by dinsdale on May 15, 2021 4:17:42 GMT
Joking aside - Been researching my sentencing guidance from when i was a court Probation Officer advising on sentencing.Whatever way i look at it its a category 3 ABH where the maximum sentence is a community order. I was twitchy as the city players were recommended for unpaid work and got jail does it take previous into account though? 6 months jail for violent assault, in court again for same spared jail. Is that how it’s supposed to work? There are 3 categories of seriousness for abh and based on what i read its category 3 as the other two require there to be a serious injury. The max sentence is a high community order (fairly long in length). The previous would impact on length of order and previous violence may result in a violence reduction programme. I had my worries as those city players that went down shoukd have had unpaid work however i cant find anything in the sentencing manual that implies he could go down
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Post by TaiwanGas on May 15, 2021 6:10:35 GMT
Actually it matters not, the damage to the reputation of our club is near to be confirmed, Barton going to Crown Court is enough to do that, if found guilty and the sentence is light, can you imagine our Manager doing community service?, what a shame it will bring upon us?, and do any reasoned Guzzlers actually believe he is not guilty of some sort of affray?.... of course tho, innocent until proven and all that, 7th of June is not far away!. Meanwhile, I fully expect all the pro Bartonites to slowly wind down in the lead up, or has it already began.
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 15, 2021 8:22:00 GMT
Actually it matters not, the damage to the reputation of our club is near to be confirmed, Barton going to Crown Court is enough to do that, if found guilty and the sentence is light, can you imagine our Manager doing community service?, what a shame it will bring upon us?, and do any reasoned Guzzlers actually believe he is not guilty of some sort of affray?.... of course tho, innocent until proven and all that, 7th of June is not far away!. Meanwhile, I fully expect all the pro Bartonites to slowly wind down in the lead up, or has it already began. I do love the pious twaddle some people write on here. "Bartonites", how about we are just supporting our club, and before you ask why, and say that I am deluded, that's already explained, so gets a little boring. If he goes down we will all deal with that then, but it will not be end of Bristol Rovers, that's for sure.
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Post by TaiwanGas on May 15, 2021 10:28:03 GMT
Actually it matters not, the damage to the reputation of our club is near to be confirmed, Barton going to Crown Court is enough to do that, if found guilty and the sentence is light, can you imagine our Manager doing community service?, what a shame it will bring upon us?, and do any reasoned Guzzlers actually believe he is not guilty of some sort of affray?.... of course tho, innocent until proven and all that, 7th of June is not far away!. Meanwhile, I fully expect all the pro Bartonites to slowly wind down in the lead up, or has it already began. I do love the pious twaddle some people write on here. "Bartonites", how about we are just supporting our club, and before you ask why, and say that I am deluded, that's already explained, so gets a little boring. If he goes down we will all deal with that then, but it will not be end of Bristol Rovers, that's for sure. Pious and divisive twaddle, if you please.
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Post by a more piratey game on May 15, 2021 10:30:56 GMT
I do love the pious twaddle some people write on here. that's good - I suspect that there will be lots more of it until Joeybag leaves the club
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Post by baselswh on May 15, 2021 10:33:36 GMT
Actually hoping Bristol Rovers Manager gets sent down!
Destructive and useless.
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Post by eppinggas on May 15, 2021 10:49:01 GMT
Actually hoping Bristol Rovers Manager gets sent down! Destructive and useless. To be fair basel (and the doctor), that's not what was said by AMPG.
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Post by baselswh on May 15, 2021 10:58:26 GMT
Actually hoping Bristol Rovers Manager gets sent down! Destructive and useless. To be fair basel (and the doctor), that's not what was said by AMPG. It is something quite plain to see ,there are some on this forum that want Rovers manager to go to prison. Destructive and useless.
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Post by eppinggas on May 15, 2021 11:13:54 GMT
To be fair basel (and the doctor), that's not what was said by AMPG. It is something quite plain to see ,there are some on this forum that want Rovers manager to go to prison. Destructive and useless. If Mr Barton is found not guilty by Crown Court and has no ban issued by the EFL/FA, then I see no reason why 'the project re-set' cannot continue. I think it will be a disaster. Others have faith in the Board/Mr Barton. It becomes a moot point should he have a custodial sentence or lengthy EFL ban. It's not a question of "wanting" him to go to prison. The judicial and EFL processes must be allowed to deliver their verdicts, and we can take it from there.
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