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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 7:11:41 GMT
Neville, Keane, Lineker and royalty talking about greed and the all pervading Yankee Dollar without one hint of irony or sarcasm.
Rank and utter hypocrisy. Sod them, their paymasters and the theft of the game from those who created it.
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Post by alftupper on Apr 20, 2021 7:16:11 GMT
Nope, that was Man Utd. Everton smashed Spurs 4-1 in the semi final, it was Daniel Amokachi's finest hour. Not very good at this, am I. It's hard to keep up, one Spurs' failure just blends, seamlessly into the next. The point remains, that lot from up Seven Sisters Rd, European superclub, not so sure about that. Nor me. Tottenham a European superclub, and Ajax aren`t? Hmmm.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 20, 2021 8:04:47 GMT
So, who will the three permanent members, yet to sign up be? Hard to see Bayern not being one of them. Bayern, Dortmund and even plastic Leipzig have already said they won't be joining. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that Union Berlin will be against the proposed ESL. Even if you offered them a billion gazilion euros. German Clubs have principles. They are (largely) majority fan-owned and value principles over money. An ESL without Bayern Munich would be meaningless. I like Germany loads.
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 20, 2021 8:32:27 GMT
Real Madrid president Florentino Perez.
Real are one of the 12 European clubs who have signed up to the breakaway league and intend to establish a new midweek competition.
Perez said the move had been made because young people are "no longer interested in football" because of "a lot of poor quality games".
Not because two clubs get all the money in Spain therefore poor quality games.
Worse spin than what can be read on this forum.
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 20, 2021 8:34:09 GMT
So, who will the three permanent members, yet to sign up be? Hard to see Bayern not being one of them. Bayern, Dortmund and even plastic Leipzig have already said they won't be joining. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that Union Berlin will be against the proposed ESL. Even if you offered them a billion gazilion euros. German Clubs have principles. They are (largely) majority fan-owned and value principles over money. An ESL without Bayern Munich would be meaningless. I like Germany loads. It should be noted that in the early 1990's Bayern were openly talking about playing in the Italian League, and discussions had actually taken place. At the time, Bayern felt that the German League did not offer them enough competition, plus more money could be made playing in the Italian League. There was the added advantage that most of the Italian clubs were closer to Munich in kilometers than most of the German clubs! Even today this still rankles with the ordinary German football fan and is one of the prime reasons they are hated so much.
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 20, 2021 8:37:54 GMT
Real Madrid president Florentino Perez. Real are one of the 12 European clubs who have signed up to the breakaway league and intend to establish a new midweek competition. Perez said the move had been made because young people are "no longer interested in football" because of "a lot of poor quality games". Not because two clubs get all the money in Spain therefore poor quality games. Worse spin than what can be read on this forum. Real Madrid and Barcelona are two of the three clubs rumoured to be just over 1 billion quid in debt. They need more money to reduce their debt to enable them to spend more money they haven't got, yet again.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 20, 2021 8:46:20 GMT
Bayern, Dortmund and even plastic Leipzig have already said they won't be joining. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that Union Berlin will be against the proposed ESL. Even if you offered them a billion gazilion euros. German Clubs have principles. They are (largely) majority fan-owned and value principles over money. An ESL without Bayern Munich would be meaningless. I like Germany loads. It should be noted that in the early 1990's Bayern were openly talking about playing in the Italian League, and discussions had actually taken place. At the time, Bayern felt that the German League did not offer them enough competition, plus more money could be made playing in the Italian League. There was the added advantage that most of the Italian clubs were closer to Munich in kilometers than most of the German clubs! Even today this still rankles with the ordinary German football fan and is one of the prime reasons they are hated so much. Fair comment. Though I know German football underwent a total re-structuring in the early 00's, just before the Germany 1 England 5 game. Perhaps Bayern were given some concessions? I don't know the detail. I know that Dortmund were unwilling to carry out all some of the development work and were close to be kicked out the Bundesliga. Strong governance. It's a shame Bayern are so dominant, but I note they failed to beat Union home or away this season. Whatever the German authorities put in place then has put their league and governance in an enviable position. Eisern.
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Post by darloGAS on Apr 20, 2021 9:08:45 GMT
Neville, Keane, Lineker and royalty talking about greed and the all pervading Yankee Dollar without one hint of irony or sarcasm. Rank and utter hypocrisy. Sod them, their paymasters and the theft of the game from those who created it. The faux and manufactured indignation and rage from those who will be first in line with their cameras, and their self-serving, overpaid, so-called pundits. The Govt spokesman called the Premier League, "grass roots football"... 🤣 #UTG
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 20, 2021 9:17:54 GMT
Prem will be 30 years old next year. For some that is a lifetime. Obviously not for the majority of us on here!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 9:23:57 GMT
Yes, it’s been announced but I suspect that at the last minute UEFA and the PL will come to some agreement with the breakaway group. It’s a cynical first step towards getting themselves an even bigger share of the pot. As for the PL throwing their arms about in mock horror, I doubt many will fall for it. That battle was lost in 1992 and ever since the gap has increased between the PL and the rest of football. I can’t imagine that the lawyers of the breakaway clubs haven’t got their arguments and threats already to go if the PL and UEFA and the FA start to talk about banning the clubs from other competitions. But it will be an interesting week as the fans, players and authorities start to respond. As all the clubs have foreign owners, except Spurs, I doubt they will worry too much about what we think. It’s about money and protecting their monopoly and wanting a bigger share. Shameful. UTG! I did read something earlier (can't remember where) where it was stated that the new league are not interested in 'legacy' supporters but see the future revenue streams coming from a newer source, which implies the Far East, India etc. I think it was in the very good article that you provided the link to. So sad that todays football fans are just seen as a commodity that owners can discard to suit their own agenda.
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Post by darloGAS on Apr 20, 2021 9:26:27 GMT
Prem will be 30 years old next year. For some that is a lifetime. Obviously not for the majority of us on here! I'm still getting used to being out of the Third Division South. Although my first game at Eastville was 1949, my coming-of-age as a Rovers supporter was in our promotion year 1952-53 #UpTheRovers
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 20, 2021 9:42:48 GMT
It should be noted that in the early 1990's Bayern were openly talking about playing in the Italian League, and discussions had actually taken place. At the time, Bayern felt that the German League did not offer them enough competition, plus more money could be made playing in the Italian League. There was the added advantage that most of the Italian clubs were closer to Munich in kilometers than most of the German clubs! Even today this still rankles with the ordinary German football fan and is one of the prime reasons they are hated so much. Fair comment. Though I know German football underwent a total re-structuring in the early 00's, just before the Germany 1 England 5 game. Perhaps Bayern were given some concessions? I don't know the detail. I know that Dortmund were unwilling to carry out all some of the development work and were close to be kicked out the Bundesliga. Strong governance. It's a shame Bayern are so dominant, but I note they failed to beat Union home or away this season. Whatever the German authorities put in place then has put their league and governance in an enviable position. Eisern. Dortmund actually went bust and had to sell their ground (and then rent it) to survive. Sometimes Bayern can do classy things. During this period they provided Dortmund with some hefty interest free loans. Bayern are also well known for turning up to lower league clubs, who may be struggling financially, for a mid-week friendly. They did this to a local team here, the Offenbach Kickers, which resulted in a stadium sell-out of 20,500 people. This is possible because there are very few midweek games in Germany (apart from European games). In fact, there is one week where all the Bundesliga teams play on a Wednesday and it's known as "English Week" !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 10:39:09 GMT
So, who will the three permanent members, yet to sign up be? Hard to see Bayern not being one of them. Bayern, Dortmund and even plastic Leipzig have already said they won't be joining. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that Union Berlin will be against the proposed ESL. Even if you offered them a billion gazilion euros. German Clubs have principles. They are (largely) majority fan-owned and value principles over money. An ESL without Bayern Munich would be meaningless. I like Germany loads. Maybe so, but winning a Champions League without the teams listed yesterday wouldn't count for so much either. We're just seeing a negotiation being played out here. No idea where it ends, the only thing that's for sure is that clubs lower down the pyramid gain not a single penny.
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Post by absent on Apr 20, 2021 11:04:23 GMT
I'd ban the 'big six' from competing in any domestic football until this is resolved.
And the way it should be resolved is for them to say 'we are very sorry we made a mistake' and then I'd put them all in League Two as punishment. If they're as good as they think they are, they'll be back at the top within a few years. Except Spurs, who'd probably struggle to get out of L1.
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 20, 2021 11:07:34 GMT
Round and round we go.
Klopp, we need fewer games. Owner, we need more income so more games and more travel. Klopp, we need more top quality players to cope with this. Owner, ok but then we need more lucrative games. Can we have one team for domestic games and one for super league and overseas show the flag games?
Oh where will it end.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 20, 2021 14:39:14 GMT
Bayern, Dortmund and even plastic Leipzig have already said they won't be joining. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that Union Berlin will be against the proposed ESL. Even if you offered them a billion gazilion euros. German Clubs have principles. They are (largely) majority fan-owned and value principles over money. An ESL without Bayern Munich would be meaningless. I like Germany loads. Maybe so, but winning a Champions League without the teams listed yesterday wouldn't count for so much either. We're just seeing a negotiation being played out here. No idea where it ends, the only thing that's for sure is that clubs lower down the pyramid gain not a single penny. No German or French teams mean that the ESL would be a vastly inferior 'product' to the existing Champions League. The ESL might even be desperate enough to invite in Celtic or Rangers. Ajax? Porto? Doesn't matter. Inferior product. I initially thought the whole thing was just a way of re-negotiating the deal with UEFA. With the vitriol spoken over the last few days, it's going to be very hard for the 'big clubs +spurs' to sit down with UEFA. Looks like they are going for sh*t or bust and the ESL goes ahead regardless. Interesting that the UK Govt has got involved very early on. They can do an awful lot to de-rail the English 'big 5 +spurs'. (Shorthand for future use - BFPS). Personally, I would love to see the BFPS kicked out of the league structure for a year. No idea what the PL constitution has to say about this. Interesting times.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 15:27:31 GMT
Maybe so, but winning a Champions League without the teams listed yesterday wouldn't count for so much either. We're just seeing a negotiation being played out here. No idea where it ends, the only thing that's for sure is that clubs lower down the pyramid gain not a single penny. No German or French teams mean that the ESL would be a vastly inferior 'product' to the existing Champions League. The ESL might even be desperate enough to invite in Celtic or Rangers. Ajax? Porto? Doesn't matter. Inferior product. I initially thought the whole thing was just a way of re-negotiating the deal with UEFA. With the vitriol spoken over the last few days, it's going to be very hard for the 'big clubs +spurs' to sit down with UEFA. Looks like they are going for sh*t or bust and the ESL goes ahead regardless. Interesting that the UK Govt has got involved very early on. They can do an awful lot to de-rail the English 'big 5 +spurs'. (Shorthand for future use - BFPS). Personally, I would love to see the BFPS kicked out of the league structure for a year. No idea what the PL constitution has to say about this. Interesting times. And the global harm done to the CL brand if you remove those clubs? Nobody wins with 2 parallel competitions. If they are determined to go ahead with this ESL then it's a high risk game they're playing. Care to give us odds for various outcomes?
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Post by gasstrictband on Apr 20, 2021 15:38:15 GMT
Good too hear from you again Nobby.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:51:50 GMT
Are people stupid or what? One Chelsea and on Man City shirt, these people are protesting a proposal that will distort the financial model of the English game? Attachments:
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 20, 2021 17:09:56 GMT
Are people stupid or what? One Chelsea and on Man City shirt, these people are protesting a proposal that will distort the financial model of the English game? Sorry am missing your point.
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