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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 19, 2021 15:16:28 GMT
Look on the bright side: Our Full Member's trophy competition hijack (that some of you gleefully didn't boycott) can now assist some of the new European League teams...
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 19, 2021 15:37:36 GMT
I thought even more dislike for Hoffenheim? A lot of controversy with "Chairman in the cross-hairs" last season. Courtesy of Union Berlin: View AttachmentIt will be interesting to see if this re-ignites the whole 'fan movement' thing that has been bubbling under for a while but not really achieved critical mass or takeoff. Union and St Pauli in Germany are probably the most iconic and successful examples of it but they're also quite canny with their own marketing and compete within a system that at least doesn't load the dice completely against clubs going in that direction. My feeling when looking at the news this morning was what a great opportunity for FC United to pick up some fans and a bit of a shot in the arms of a project that has been treading water a bit the last few years. Plus, will it create a critical mass of Liverpool/City/Spurs fans etc who might be willing to go their own way. So far only the Glazer thing has done it in this country but if anything was ever going to create some kind of mass support for 'doing football differently' then this is it. Personally I'm not all that convinced but I am interested to see if some of the fan protests that we've seen today start evolving in that direction. Very interesting how this pans out. What if big 6 fans refuse to buy season tickets / merchandise / shirts as a matter of principle? Liverpool fans took on the owners when they tried to ramp up ST prices, and won. I can see them being well organised and doing this. I hope the other 5 do the same. Will the owners then say - "Stuff you, our priority is additional revenue streams in global broadcasting rights". A final, very clear severance of the link between the football Club and the Community. A sad day for football, but it's been coming. Reminds me a bit of Sam Hammam back in the day. To paraphrase: "who needs crowds at all, when you have the broadcasting revenue".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 15:51:09 GMT
Look on the bright side: Our Full Member's trophy competition hijack (that some of you gleefully didn't boycott) can now assist some of the new European League teams... Some people just want to watch the games and have no interest in politics, whether it's Rovers or FIFA, and that's fine if that's what they want to do. Quite funny seeing the likes of Lineker pretending to be outraged by this ESL thing. Just remind us how much money you trouser every year for presenting programmes associated with a product that's adversely affected every club not directly involved in the PL Lineker? My hope in all of this is that not only doesn't the ESL happen but also that the conversation moves on and the spotlight gets pointed towards the PL and UEFA, they are the source of the issue here. epping. Arse were playing in front of crowds of 30~35,000 sometimes before Covid hit, just see what happens if they try to inflate prices further still for what's been a second rate product for at least 15 years now. Yes, I do know that the 'official' attendance was always 60,000.
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Post by absent on Apr 19, 2021 17:22:11 GMT
And the so-called 'Chosen One' who's just been been sacked, trousers a whopping £34 MILLION, for relative failure. Yet Spurs, who have won nothing of significance in recent years, will be part of this money machine, the ESL. Anyway, #UTGThis is an odd one, I do understand that their stadium is the best in the country, but the club amongst Europe's elite? Recent honours. League Cup. 2008. That's 13 years ago, and a competition that isn't taken seriously until the semi-final stage. FA Cup 1995. 26 years ago. League champions, 60 years ago. The vast majority of their supporters won't have been born then. You can't award Everton's 1995 FA Cup triumph to Spurs. 1991.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 19, 2021 18:09:20 GMT
Funny as anything. PL are squealing like pigs. Odd isn't it, they haven't given too much thought to the harm they've done to our national game, they don't care about fairness, if they did they would have expelled Citeh years ago, in what way is it fair for Fulham and Brighton to try to compete with a club funded by a country? Just remember, when Scuddamore stepped down from his position they had a little whip round amongst the PL clubs to give him a going away present, you know the sort of thing, a £50 clock from the Argos catalogue. They made each PL club put £250,000, yep, a quarter of a million quid from each and every club, into the pot for him. Who the Hell do they think they are to even mention others being cynical and greedy! For the PL to complain about someone else`s greed, is beyond parody. But the top six have them over a barrel. Without them, how much interest would be left in the PL, especially in the far east where the huge money is? I don`t think it will happen. I think that by announcing this, the top six hope to extort ( even ) more money from the pot. They`ll get it too, one way or another.
Yes, it’s been announced but I suspect that at the last minute UEFA and the PL will come to some agreement with the breakaway group. It’s a cynical first step towards getting themselves an even bigger share of the pot. As for the PL throwing their arms about in mock horror, I doubt many will fall for it. That battle was lost in 1992 and ever since the gap has increased between the PL and the rest of football. I can’t imagine that the lawyers of the breakaway clubs haven’t got their arguments and threats already to go if the PL and UEFA and the FA start to talk about banning the clubs from other competitions. But it will be an interesting week as the fans, players and authorities start to respond. As all the clubs have foreign owners, except Spurs, I doubt they will worry too much about what we think. It’s about money and protecting their monopoly and wanting a bigger share. Shameful. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 18:21:42 GMT
This is an odd one, I do understand that their stadium is the best in the country, but the club amongst Europe's elite? Recent honours. League Cup. 2008. That's 13 years ago, and a competition that isn't taken seriously until the semi-final stage. FA Cup 1995. 26 years ago. League champions, 60 years ago. The vast majority of their supporters won't have been born then. You can't award Everton's 1995 FA Cup triumph to Spurs. 1991. Yep, sorry, you are right, they lost that '95 final to Everton.
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Post by irishrover on Apr 19, 2021 18:31:05 GMT
It will be interesting to see if this re-ignites the whole 'fan movement' thing that has been bubbling under for a while but not really achieved critical mass or takeoff. Union and St Pauli in Germany are probably the most iconic and successful examples of it but they're also quite canny with their own marketing and compete within a system that at least doesn't load the dice completely against clubs going in that direction. My feeling when looking at the news this morning was what a great opportunity for FC United to pick up some fans and a bit of a shot in the arms of a project that has been treading water a bit the last few years. Plus, will it create a critical mass of Liverpool/City/Spurs fans etc who might be willing to go their own way. So far only the Glazer thing has done it in this country but if anything was ever going to create some kind of mass support for 'doing football differently' then this is it. Personally I'm not all that convinced but I am interested to see if some of the fan protests that we've seen today start evolving in that direction. Very interesting how this pans out. What if big 6 fans refuse to buy season tickets / merchandise / shirts as a matter of principle? Liverpool fans took on the owners when they tried to ramp up ST prices, and won. I can see them being well organised and doing this. I hope the other 5 do the same. Will the owners then say - "Stuff you, our priority is additional revenue streams in global broadcasting rights". A final, very clear severance of the link between the football Club and the Community. A sad day for football, but it's been coming. Reminds me a bit of Sam Hammam back in the day. To paraphrase: "who needs crowds at all, when you have the broadcasting revenue". Liverpool is definitely an interesting one. They've already had a couple of cracks at it there and not really managed to get off the ground. AFC Liverpool hasn't really gone anywhere and then there was City of Liverpool which was supposed to bring disillusioned Liverpool and Everton fans together behind a more affordable way of doing football. That also hasn't really managed to flourish although think it's done a bit better but nothing comparable to the FC United thing post-Glazer. Maybe that was simply a one-off but there's definitely an opportunity here for that general case to be heard.
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Post by absent on Apr 19, 2021 18:31:06 GMT
You can't award Everton's 1995 FA Cup triumph to Spurs. 1991. Yep, sorry, you are right, they lost that '95 final to Everton. Nope, that was Man Utd. Everton smashed Spurs 4-1 in the semi final, it was Daniel Amokachi's finest hour.
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Post by Rex on Apr 19, 2021 18:32:51 GMT
Look on the bright side: Our Full Member's trophy competition hijack (that some of you gleefully didn't boycott) can now assist some of the new European League teams... Some people just want to watch the games and have no interest in politics, whether it's Rovers or FIFA, and that's fine if that's what they want to do. Quite funny seeing the likes of Lineker pretending to be outraged by this ESL thing. Just remind us how much money you trouser every year for presenting programmes associated with a product that's adversely affected every club not directly involved in the PL Lineker? My hope in all of this is that not only doesn't the ESL happen but also that the conversation moves on and the spotlight gets pointed towards the PL and UEFA, they are the source of the issue here. epping. Arse were playing in front of crowds of 30~35,000 sometimes before Covid hit, just see what happens if they try to inflate prices further still for what's been a second rate product for at least 15 years now. Yes, I do know that the 'official' attendance was always 60,000. The faux outrage from Lineker, Gary Neville et al - especially Neville who seems to be trying to re model himself as some kind of 'man of the people' - is laughable. I heard him banging on about the importance of fans feelings and genuine competition. It didn't seem to worry him to much when Salford fans were protesting about the changing of their clubs colours to suit him and his mates or when he and those mates fast tracked themselves into the football league by chucking a load of money at their arrogantly named 'Project 92'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 18:49:32 GMT
Yep, sorry, you are right, they lost that '95 final to Everton. Nope, that was Man Utd. Everton smashed Spurs 4-1 in the semi final, it was Daniel Amokachi's finest hour. Not very good at this, am I. It's hard to keep up, one Spurs' failure just blends, seamlessly into the next. The point remains, that lot from up Seven Sisters Rd, European superclub, not so sure about that.
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 19, 2021 18:55:12 GMT
For the PL to complain about someone else`s greed, is beyond parody. But the top six have them over a barrel. Without them, how much interest would be left in the PL, especially in the far east where the huge money is? I don`t think it will happen. I think that by announcing this, the top six hope to extort ( even ) more money from the pot. They`ll get it too, one way or another.
Yes, it’s been announced but I suspect that at the last minute UEFA and the PL will come to some agreement with the breakaway group. It’s a cynical first step towards getting themselves an even bigger share of the pot. As for the PL throwing their arms about in mock horror, I doubt many will fall for it. That battle was lost in 1992 and ever since the gap has increased between the PL and the rest of football. I can’t imagine that the lawyers of the breakaway clubs haven’t got their arguments and threats already to go if the PL and UEFA and the FA start to talk about banning the clubs from other competitions. But it will be an interesting week as the fans, players and authorities start to respond. As all the clubs have foreign owners, except Spurs, I doubt they will worry too much about what we think. It’s about money and protecting their monopoly and wanting a bigger share. Shameful. UTG! I did read something earlier (can't remember where) where it was stated that the new league are not interested in 'legacy' supporters but see the future revenue streams coming from a newer source, which implies the Far East, India etc.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 19, 2021 19:09:20 GMT
Yes, it’s been announced but I suspect that at the last minute UEFA and the PL will come to some agreement with the breakaway group. It’s a cynical first step towards getting themselves an even bigger share of the pot. As for the PL throwing their arms about in mock horror, I doubt many will fall for it. That battle was lost in 1992 and ever since the gap has increased between the PL and the rest of football. I can’t imagine that the lawyers of the breakaway clubs haven’t got their arguments and threats already to go if the PL and UEFA and the FA start to talk about banning the clubs from other competitions. But it will be an interesting week as the fans, players and authorities start to respond. As all the clubs have foreign owners, except Spurs, I doubt they will worry too much about what we think. It’s about money and protecting their monopoly and wanting a bigger share. Shameful. UTG! I did read something earlier (can't remember where) where it was stated that the new league are not interested in 'legacy' supporters but see the future revenue streams coming from a newer source, which implies the Far East, India etc. Yes, seems likely. Linked to that I saw a news item, BBC I’m afraid, British based fans saying how awful it was etc.etc. Then they had an Inter Milan fan based in China saying he wants to see these big matches and he thought it seemed a good idea. Only anecdotal but when you see the success of the Indian Premier League in cricket in India and worldwide you start to realise that these clubs probably don’t give a toss about a middle aged man in Dorset!! UTG!
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 19, 2021 20:03:19 GMT
Would have been interesting if fans were in games at the moment.
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 19, 2021 21:07:38 GMT
Wonder what will happen to the large pool of Chelsea loanees? Trust we won't take any from them or the others.
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Post by syg on Apr 19, 2021 22:10:18 GMT
This is going to come down to Indian and Chinese viewing figures v rapidly increasing toxicity of the 6 clubs brands in the UK.
It wouldn't be a good idea to be seen as association with those 6 right now.
How long will that last, and could it spread to Asian viewers?
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Post by alftupper on Apr 19, 2021 22:48:23 GMT
EUFA are threatening to expel Chelsea, Real Madrid and Man City from the Champions League. If they do, I may have a few quid on PSG.
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Post by chelt_gas on Apr 20, 2021 6:13:28 GMT
Gary Neville believes in the free market then surely he should be supporting the notion that market demand should influence the supply of a product.
Football consumers in this country have to accept that if they want to benefit from overseas money then they have to increasingly share 'their' club with their international fanbase.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Apr 20, 2021 6:20:10 GMT
<It will be interesting to see if this re-ignites the whole 'fan movement' thing that has been bubbling under for a while but not really achieved critical mass or takeoff.>
The most likely fan movement will be from the terraces to the streaming sofa and from the Packhorse to the six pack.
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Post by basel on Apr 20, 2021 7:00:48 GMT
Politicians and I think Royalty speaking against this European Greedy League.
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Post by alftupper on Apr 20, 2021 7:07:30 GMT
So, who will the three permanent members, yet to sign up be? Hard to see Bayern not being one of them.
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