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Post by darloGAS on Apr 19, 2021 10:04:41 GMT
I agree the hypocrisy shown by the EPL complaining of ESL greed,takes the biscuit. Thing is though,the ESL may cause huge damage,alot more than the EPL. I still don't see it actually happening. The ESL is a European version of the EPL, led by the same clubs, with the same sickening greed for money above everything else. Premier League clubs shat on the English League that had survived since the late 19th century; SOLELY for shedloads of TV cash. It's flippin' rich for the EPL to condemn a proposed ESL; massive hypocrisy!
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 19, 2021 10:12:32 GMT
Spurs trying to divert the news by sacking Jose.
Though there is a rumour he refused to take training after the announcement.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 19, 2021 10:16:31 GMT
The '50+1' rule is an informal term used to refer to a clause in the regulations of the Deutsche Fußball-Liga. The rule is designed to ensure that the club's members retain overall control, by way of owning 50% of shares, +1 share, protecting clubs from the influence of external investors. #GasGebenSeparate thread about this rule and how some Clubs are getting round it (rightly or wrongly) - Hoffenheim, RB Leipzig... But you have to conclude that governance and structure in German football is infinitely better than we have in England. Fans still have some real power over there and that is to be applauded. Nice to agree on something for a change Sir! Eisern Union.
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Post by darloGAS on Apr 19, 2021 10:42:02 GMT
The '50+1' rule is an informal term used to refer to a clause in the regulations of the Deutsche Fußball-Liga. The rule is designed to ensure that the club's members retain overall control, by way of owning 50% of shares, +1 share, protecting clubs from the influence of external investors. #GasGebenSeparate thread about this rule and how some Clubs are getting round it (rightly or wrongly) - Hoffenheim, RB Leipzig... But you have to conclude that governance and structure in German football is infinitely better than we have in England. Fans still have some real power over there and that is to be applauded. Nice to agree on something for a change Sir! Eisern Union. This proposal of an ESL, or the J.P Morgan League, is another nail in the ongoing coffin of the Americanisation of England #FiftyFirstState
#UTG
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 19, 2021 10:42:53 GMT
The '50+1' rule is an informal term used to refer to a clause in the regulations of the Deutsche Fußball-Liga. The rule is designed to ensure that the club's members retain overall control, by way of owning 50% of shares, +1 share, protecting clubs from the influence of external investors. #GasGebenSeparate thread about this rule and how some Clubs are getting round it (rightly or wrongly) - Hoffenheim, RB Leipzig... But you have to conclude that governance and structure in German football is infinitely better than we have in England. Fans still have some real power over there and that is to be applauded. Nice to agree on something for a change Sir! Eisern Union. Which is why RB Leipzig are the most hated team in Germany, even more so than Bayern !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 10:44:17 GMT
Separate thread about this rule and how some Clubs are getting round it (rightly or wrongly) - Hoffenheim, RB Leipzig... But you have to conclude that governance and structure in German football is infinitely better than we have in England. Fans still have some real power over there and that is to be applauded. Nice to agree on something for a change Sir! Eisern Union. This proposal of an ESL, or the J.P Morgan League, is another nail in the ongoing coffin of the Americanisation of England #FiftyFirstState
#UTGAmericanisation has come too late for Rovers. 1 point for kicking the ball over the bar may have saved us this season
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Post by darloGAS on Apr 19, 2021 10:57:28 GMT
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Post by Rex on Apr 19, 2021 11:08:49 GMT
On the contrary Basle - this could be our big opportunity. We establish a new South West Mediocrity League, do it double-quick before we're ejected from League One, exclude City, and invite star out-of-region outfits like Barrow, Concord Rangers, Medicine Hat 2nd Eleven, Taunton Ladies Embroidery Globetrotters, Mary Celeste Reserves and Luton Ludo Lewds to join. We can't go wrong. In no time everybody in Merthyr Tydfil Fochriw will be green with insouciance and thence it's only onwards and upwards. TBF , I don't much fancy our chances Taunton Ladies Embroidery Globetrotters.
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Post by Rex on Apr 19, 2021 11:13:19 GMT
I agree the hypocrisy shown by the EPL complaining of ESL greed,takes the biscuit. Thing is though,the ESL may cause huge damage,alot more than the EPL. I still don't see it actually happening. The ESL is a European version of the EPL, led by the same clubs, with the same sickening greed for money above everything else. Premier League clubs shat on the English League that had survived since the late 19th century; SOLELY for shedloads of TV cash. It's flippin' rich for the EPL to condemn a proposed ESL; massive hypocrisy! Pretty much my thoughts. I really don't care much one way or the other if the ESL goes ahead or not. The Premier League has already changed the game forever and I am struggling to find any sympathy with them or any Premier League clubs that may get left behind.
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Post by darloGAS on Apr 19, 2021 11:25:03 GMT
The ESL is a European version of the EPL, led by the same clubs, with the same sickening greed for money above everything else. Premier League clubs shat on the English League that had survived since the late 19th century; SOLELY for shedloads of TV cash. It's flippin' rich for the EPL to condemn a proposed ESL; massive hypocrisy! Pretty much my thoughts. I really don't care much one way or the other if the ESL goes ahead or not. The Premier League has already changed the game forever and I am struggling to find any sympathy with them or any Premier League clubs that may get left behind. And the so-called 'Chosen One' who's just been been sacked, trousers a whopping £34 MILLION, for relative failure. Yet Spurs, who have won nothing of significance in recent years, will be part of this money machine, the ESL. Anyway, #UTG
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Post by trymer on Apr 19, 2021 11:26:59 GMT
Apart from Rovers I have no interest in watching professional sport of any kind. I have wondered for a long time if professional and sport actually go together,it all seems a money making racket now even the Olympics,thats why drugs and cheating have crept in to 'sport' because of the money involved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 11:52:42 GMT
Pretty much my thoughts. I really don't care much one way or the other if the ESL goes ahead or not. The Premier League has already changed the game forever and I am struggling to find any sympathy with them or any Premier League clubs that may get left behind. And the so-called 'Chosen One' who's just been been sacked, trousers a whopping £34 MILLION, for relative failure. Yet Spurs, who have won nothing of significance in recent years, will be part of this money machine, the ESL. Anyway, #UTGThis is an odd one, I do understand that their stadium is the best in the country, but the club amongst Europe's elite? Recent honours. League Cup. 2008. That's 13 years ago, and a competition that isn't taken seriously until the semi-final stage. FA Cup 1995. 26 years ago. League champions, 60 years ago. The vast majority of their supporters won't have been born then.
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Post by Smithy Gas on Apr 19, 2021 12:02:02 GMT
I wonder if someone like Harry Kane, chasing England scoring records, or other principled stars (Rashford on school din-dins/Sterling on racism) have the bollocks to turn it down if they were banned from England?
We all know the answer, but there is one group left which can torpedo this thing and they ain't wearing the suits...
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Post by irishrover on Apr 19, 2021 12:16:40 GMT
It's tremendous hypocrisy fest.
The PL was only ever going to take football in one direction. There never was some golden era of fair competition and fan involvement. But football went from being largely run by local businessman if varying levels of wealth who gained prestige, networking perks and, you'd assume, a few under the table deals into the bargain to being a thoroughly financialised model. Once you do that ultimately the only way these guys will make serious money in the end is to sell upwards. So you go from local business people whose success largely relied on the relationships and knowledge they had within their communities who then sold onto people who were wealthy on a national level who then sold onto people who were wealthy on an international level who have then sold onto either the corporate arms of whole nation states or massive private equity firms. At each stage there was a further replacement of community with branding. This is just the final stage - closed shop, permanent monopoly either by setting it up themselves or getting permanent concessions from UEFA.
Most of us saw this happening decades ago - hard to have much sympathy for those who only realised it this morning.
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Post by basel on Apr 19, 2021 12:40:59 GMT
I agree the hypocrisy shown by the EPL complaining of ESL greed,takes the biscuit. Thing is though,the ESL may cause huge damage,alot more than the EPL. I still don't see it actually happening. The ESL is a European version of the EPL, led by the same clubs, with the same sickening greed for money above everything else. Premier League clubs shat on the English League that had survived since the late 19th century; SOLELY for shedloads of TV cash. It's flippin' rich for the EPL to condemn a proposed ESL; massive hypocrisy! Agreed Dave. I worry though,that this ESL could have a worse effect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 13:05:33 GMT
It's tremendous hypocrisy fest.
The PL was only ever going to take football in one direction. There never was some golden era of fair competition and fan involvement. But football went from being largely run by local businessman if varying levels of wealth who gained prestige, networking perks and, you'd assume, a few under the table deals into the bargain to being a thoroughly financialised model. Once you do that ultimately the only way these guys will make serious money in the end is to sell upwards. So you go from local business people whose success largely relied on the relationships and knowledge they had within their communities who then sold onto people who were wealthy on a national level who then sold onto people who were wealthy on an international level who have then sold onto either the corporate arms of whole nation states or massive private equity firms. At each stage there was a further replacement of community with branding. This is just the final stage - closed shop, permanent monopoly either by setting it up themselves or getting permanent concessions from UEFA.
Most of us saw this happening decades ago - hard to have much sympathy for those who only realised it this morning.
When Kronke turned down an offer, reported to be in excess of a billion pounds, from Usmanov for his shares in Arsenal, based on the value of the business on that day and the way he was starving the front end of the thing of the cash needed to compete at the very top it made no sense whatsoever, you knew that something was happening behind the scenes which was going to justify declining what appeared to be an insane offer. You also knew that Usmanov wasn't making that offer just so that he could bankrupt himself trying to compete with Chelsea and City.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 19, 2021 13:30:02 GMT
Separate thread about this rule and how some Clubs are getting round it (rightly or wrongly) - Hoffenheim, RB Leipzig... But you have to conclude that governance and structure in German football is infinitely better than we have in England. Fans still have some real power over there and that is to be applauded. Nice to agree on something for a change Sir! Eisern Union. Which is why RB Leipzig are the most hated team in Germany, even more so than Bayern ! I thought even more dislike for Hoffenheim? A lot of controversy with "Chairman in the cross-hairs" last season. Courtesy of Union Berlin:
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Post by darloGAS on Apr 19, 2021 13:41:56 GMT
The ESL is a European version of the EPL, led by the same clubs, with the same sickening greed for money above everything else. Premier League clubs shat on the English League that had survived since the late 19th century; SOLELY for shedloads of TV cash. It's flippin' rich for the EPL to condemn a proposed ESL; massive hypocrisy! Agreed Dave. I worry though,that this ESL could have a worse effect. Steve, clubs owned by billionaires, banks, betting organisations, sponsors and of course TV companies. As the beat combo pointed out... "Money It's a gas Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash New car, caviar, four star daydream Think I'll buy me a football team..."
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 19, 2021 14:48:25 GMT
I wonder if someone like Harry Kane, chasing England scoring records, or other principled stars (Rashford on school din-dins/Sterling on racism) have the bollocks to turn it down if they were banned from England? We all know the answer, but there is one group left which can torpedo this thing and they ain't wearing the suits... It is just like Kerry Packer did with the cricket in the 1970's, players were banned in England for being a rebel. IMO a super league will be another extension of the Champions League, 15 founding teams plus 5 to qualify annually, with teams playing in 2 groups of 10. IMO the losers are the countries that ban players, the domestic leagues, the World Cup / Euro Champs and also of course the fans. The ESL said it would generate more money than the Champions League and would result in a greater distribution of revenue throughout the game. Real Madrid president Florentino Perez, the first chairman of the ESL, said the new competition would "help football at every level". Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli has said the 12 clubs had "come together at this critical moment, enabling European competition to be transformed, putting the game we love on a sustainable footing for the long-term future". Manchester United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward and Manchester City chief executive Ferran Soriano have also stood down from their roles at Uefa. Manchester United co-chairman Joel Glazer will be a vice-chairman of the Super League. Boris Johnson said the plans would be "very damaging for football". France's President Emmanuel Macron welcomed French clubs refusing to join. Degan Lovren said: Football will be in the near future on a brink of complete collapse. Nobody is thinking about the bigger picture, only the financial side. I still believe we can solve this unpleasant situation.
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Post by irishrover on Apr 19, 2021 14:56:51 GMT
Which is why RB Leipzig are the most hated team in Germany, even more so than Bayern ! I thought even more dislike for Hoffenheim? A lot of controversy with "Chairman in the cross-hairs" last season. Courtesy of Union Berlin: View AttachmentIt will be interesting to see if this re-ignites the whole 'fan movement' thing that has been bubbling under for a while but not really achieved critical mass or takeoff. Union and St Pauli in Germany are probably the most iconic and successful examples of it but they're also quite canny with their own marketing and compete within a system that at least doesn't load the dice completely against clubs going in that direction. My feeling when looking at the news this morning was what a great opportunity for FC United to pick up some fans and a bit of a shot in the arms of a project that has been treading water a bit the last few years. Plus, will it create a critical mass of Liverpool/City/Spurs fans etc who might be willing to go their own way. So far only the Glazer thing has done it in this country but if anything was ever going to create some kind of mass support for 'doing football differently' then this is it. Personally I'm not all that convinced but I am interested to see if some of the fan protests that we've seen today start evolving in that direction.
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