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Post by lostinspace on Sept 30, 2021 17:12:39 GMT
I see no downside to this at all. I love cricket, and I also love my 2 year old daughter. Anything that makes cricket more inclusive for her as she grows up is more than ok by me. The laws used to refer to fieldsmen. I've never heard anyone use that term. Things change and people get used to it. And fair warning, a number of BBC commentators have already started referring to deep third or short third. Language evolves and many cricket terms have evolved too over the years - seems reasonable and also not that much of a big deal. Some people will no doubt continue to use batsman which I also don't think is very much of a big deal really. It is a pretty sterile debate. 'Batter' has always been commonly used in the North anyway. Also, to be fair most cricketers have been saying 'third' for years - it's just a shortening. 'Third', 'Fine', 'Square' etc. Fielding positions have evolved a great deal since the names were originally developed and are far less proscriptive. Plus if you play in a side like I do where players have learned the game in lots of different language then sometimes those traditional position names don't mean anything anyway.
Predictable carnage on Day 1 of the BWT - that's what you get for scheduling games at Lords in September/October I suppose. Warwcks looking like they'll end up banking both the trophies at this stage. I like the idea of the BWT but it needs tweaking and proper marketing. At the moment it feels like a form of Charity Shield but at the wrong end of the season. Certainly a cock up with this being played in sub arctic conditions almost, almost done and dusted for tomorrow , possibly the afternoon with morning play likely to be very disrupted , Lancs' really ought to just give up and "hang the bat out" get the pain over with, take the runners up cheque and be happy with that |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 30, 2021 23:01:09 GMT
The way the ECB has organised this BWT has been a disaster imo. As an intended tribute to Bob Willis is could hardly have been more ineptly organised than it has. Following last year’s close match I was amazed to read that had it been a draw (it won’t be) it was going to be decided, as it was last year, on who lead after the first innings. It didn’t work last year it won’t be needed this year. But once again the ECB haven’t learnt from their mistakes.
This year we have had a five day match sorted out by lunchtime on the first day, perhaps even by 11.30. The following 4 and a half days will have been the most pointless cricket ever. That Lancashire have collapsed isn’t the ECBs fault but scheduling is their responsibility and the blame lies full square at their door. Better to play it as a curtain raiser rather than a consolation match for those who finished second when it’s all done and dusted. Pointless and makes cricket look a bit silly and pointless.
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Post by irishrover on Oct 2, 2021 19:09:05 GMT
The way the ECB has organised this BWT has been a disaster imo. As an intended tribute to Bob Willis is could hardly have been more ineptly organised than it has. Following last year’s close match I was amazed to read that had it been a draw (it won’t be) it was going to be decided, as it was last year, on who lead after the first innings. It didn’t work last year it won’t be needed this year. But once again the ECB haven’t learnt from their mistakes. This year we have had a five day match sorted out by lunchtime on the first day, perhaps even by 11.30. The following 4 and a half days will have been the most pointless cricket ever. That Lancashire have collapsed isn’t the ECBs fault but scheduling is their responsibility and the blame lies full square at their door. Better to play it as a curtain raiser rather than a consolation match for those who finished second when it’s all done and dusted. Pointless and makes cricket look a bit silly and pointless. Yes in some ways I think it's weirdly appropriate that Bob Willis would definitely have been coming off his long run to criticise the Bob Willis Trophy! |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 3, 2021 16:22:57 GMT
Well I suppose that the “Domestic” Season 2021 is now over. I hear that the ECB are likely to continue with the conference style early and mid season leading to a Division 1/ Division 2/ Division 3 at the end again next season. Not certain but likely. Then in 2023 we will revert to a two-Division styles Championship. And it’s likely that the position at the end of 2019 will not be used to revert to this. This will be determined by the cricket played in 2020/ 2021 and 2022. Which I can sort of understand given that three years will have elapsed since that position.
Anyway! Just to say thanks to everyone for sharing their views about the domestic cricket we’ve had. It’s great to have had so many different views and I’ve really enjoyed reading what’s been said and responding to other views. For a cricket nut like me who unapologetically probably still lives in the past when it comes to county cricket I’ve really enjoyed engaging with what’s been said this year. To have got to 17 pages, is it a record?, was great. 👏👏👏
Stay safe through the winter. Perhaps when the Ashes start, if it does, we’ll have a new thread.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 3, 2021 19:37:12 GMT
Well I suppose that the “Domestic” Season 2021 is now over. I hear that the ECB are likely to continue with the conference style early and mid season leading to a Division 1/ Division 2/ Division 3 at the end again next season. Not certain but likely. Then in 2023 we will revert to a two-Division styles Championship. And it’s likely that the position at the end of 2019 will not be used to revert to this. This will be determined by the cricket played in 2020/ 2021 and 2022. Which I can sort of understand given that three years will have elapsed since that position. Anyway! Just to say thanks to everyone for sharing their views about the domestic cricket we’ve had. It’s great to have had so many different views and I’ve really enjoyed reading what’s been said and responding to other views. For a cricket nut like me who unapologetically probably still lives in the past when it comes to county cricket I’ve really enjoyed engaging with what’s been said this year. To have got to 17 pages, is it a record?, was great. 👏👏👏 Stay safe through the winter. Perhaps when the Ashes start, if it does, we’ll have a new thread. What tiny amount I know about cricket has largely been gleaned from this section. Thanks to all contributors. I had a heavy cold and watched most of the BWT... Cricket (and following cycling on Eurosport) has been a pleasant diversion away from the continuing soap opera masquerading as a once proud Football Club. |
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 4, 2021 7:37:42 GMT
No officiano on the game ,but do like it very much, intriuging the way those in suits still [imo] are not adventurous enough in their thinking , the scheduling this year has been rather too much on one day and limited over stuff not sure if it enhances the men's [the 100]game but sure has helped highlight the women's game, there certainly is some talent there and the more exposure they get the better for them, Waiting with anticipation to see the probable collapso of the Ashes scenario....
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Post by irishrover on Oct 5, 2021 10:19:36 GMT
A good season in the circumstances. I'm probably a minority in liking the Championship structure that has been introduced for the following reasons;
-Puts everyone in with a chance and therefore incentivises a certain amount of investment and effort. -Changes up the schedule a bit and guarantees local derbies - I find even Division 1 can get a bit stale with a similar rotation of teams every year. -Creates 2 periods of genuine excitement and interest in the Championship with the end of the qualification phase and the end of the season itself. -Means it's more likely we have the kind of tight end of season we saw this month.
So tentatively I would like to see them stick with it but I accept that something needs to be done about the problem of 'dead' cricket at the end of the season for those counties who are not in the top Division and I'm sure 2 divisions will come straight back in once we lose the Ashes this winter (assuming we get an Ashes this winter - international cricket seems on the ropes right now across the board) and everyone decides that we need more elite standars. I don't hate the 2 division system but I don't like that it became assymetrical in one of the divisions and I found this season quite refreshing.
They need to sort out 50 Over cricket and I remain 'down with this sort of thing' about the Hundred despite it's obvious positive impact on women's cricket. I also think the writing is on the wall for the BWT - a nice idea that doesn't work in reality and was a complete farce this year. Nice cricket chatting to you all as usual - let's hope Mr Barton shortly does one and we're all here for next year's ramblings! Not that cricket ever ends for me....I have the 1st 2022 season planning committee meeting at my club tonight followed by coaching U13s at winter nets starting on Thursday!
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Post by jackthegas on Oct 5, 2021 11:08:21 GMT
The end of the season was good in Div 1, but I found myself travelling to Taunton and Edgbaston for my cricket fix rather than New Road and Bristol. The cricket in Div 2 and 3 was meaningless. Next year it sounds like Div 2 will have something riding on it as it will determine who ends up in Div 1.
I do wonder whether it's time for a rethink. Like it or not, the Hundred is here for good. Could we move to 3 divisions of 6 and retain the BWT as a knockout competition with fixtures played at the same time as the hundred? Everyone would be guaranteed 11 fixtures, if you included some minor counties (the first round could be played before the CC starts as a bit of a pre-season friendly), most would play 12, which is only two fewer than the current structure. It would ensure the integrity of the CC is maintained, but would also mean there is some red ball cricket played at the height of summer, all be it without several players. Not everyone would be able to win the CC, but everyone would be in with a shout of winning the BWT. The 50 over stuff could then be pushed back into April where I think the white ball means the pitch becomes less relevant.
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Post by irishrover on Oct 6, 2021 0:46:33 GMT
The end of the season was good in Div 1, but I found myself travelling to Taunton and Edgbaston for my cricket fix rather than New Road and Bristol. The cricket in Div 2 and 3 was meaningless. Next year it sounds like Div 2 will have something riding on it as it will determine who ends up in Div 1. I do wonder whether it's time for a rethink. Like it or not, the Hundred is here for good. Could we move to 3 divisions of 6 and retain the BWT as a knockout competition with fixtures played at the same time as the hundred? Everyone would be guaranteed 11 fixtures, if you included some minor counties (the first round could be played before the CC starts as a bit of a pre-season friendly), most would play 12, which is only two fewer than the current structure. It would ensure the integrity of the CC is maintained, but would also mean there is some red ball cricket played at the height of summer, all be it without several players. Not everyone would be able to win the CC, but everyone would be in with a shout of winning the BWT. The 50 over stuff could then be pushed back into April where I think the white ball means the pitch becomes less relevant. No that's giving too much ground for me. We know when we lose 4 Day cricket we never get it back. I'm not neccessarily against the idea of 3 divisions though. I actually think players/administrators have become a bit precious about Tournament windows - it's become a kind of sacred cow. I can see why you might want to create that for the T20/Hundred style tournaments because the format seems to lend itself best to that but I see no reason why 50 Over cricket and 4 Day cricket can't co-exist in the same time-period. I'd have them play a 50 Over tournament on Saturdays/Sundays and Championship Cricket Monday-Friday with occasional Sunday starts. That would open up space in the calender to be a lot more flexible with a lot of this stuff. |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 6, 2021 15:02:27 GMT
The end of the season was good in Div 1, but I found myself travelling to Taunton and Edgbaston for my cricket fix rather than New Road and Bristol. The cricket in Div 2 and 3 was meaningless. Next year it sounds like Div 2 will have something riding on it as it will determine who ends up in Div 1. I do wonder whether it's time for a rethink. Like it or not, the Hundred is here for good. Could we move to 3 divisions of 6 and retain the BWT as a knockout competition with fixtures played at the same time as the hundred? Everyone would be guaranteed 11 fixtures, if you included some minor counties (the first round could be played before the CC starts as a bit of a pre-season friendly), most would play 12, which is only two fewer than the current structure. It would ensure the integrity of the CC is maintained, but would also mean there is some red ball cricket played at the height of summer, all be it without several players. Not everyone would be able to win the CC, but everyone would be in with a shout of winning the BWT. The 50 over stuff could then be pushed back into April where I think the white ball means the pitch becomes less relevant. No that's giving too much ground for me. We know when we lose 4 Day cricket we never get it back. I'm not neccessarily against the idea of 3 divisions though. I actually think players/administrators have become a bit precious about Tournament windows - it's become a kind of sacred cow. I can see why you might want to create that for the T20/Hundred style tournaments because the format seems to lend itself best to that but I see no reason why 50 Over cricket and 4 Day cricket can't co-exist in the same time-period. I'd have them play a 50 Over tournament on Saturdays/Sundays and Championship Cricket Monday-Friday with occasional Sunday starts. That would open up space in the calender to be a lot more flexible with a lot of this stuff. Yes. We’ve got to stop this idea that tournaments have windows when little other cricket is played. Test cricket and international white ball cricket can play alongside red ball cricket in this country, it always has. What the 100 showed, with far fewer international stars than planned, was that there are plenty of young cricketers in this county who want a stage to perform on and at times this summer there weren’t that many opportunities for them to play. People are happy to go and watch meaningful cricket, it was just at times this summer there wasn’t any. Id avoid 3 divisions of red ball cricket it’s been hard enough reconciling clubs to two divisions. If next season is a conference style 3 leagues again leading to the final month of 3 divisions I hope they make some real changes and give incentives to those clubs in division two to realise that they are playing for their 2023 place in division one. Make it clear and unambiguous and have the plan for 2023 in place before 2022 is over. (You’ll remind me of this in a years time when Somerset have another poor September and look like they’ll be in Division 2 and I’m blaming the ECB!!!!) 🤔🤔🤔 |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 14, 2021 22:14:36 GMT
Well I suppose that the “Domestic” Season 2021 is now over. I hear that the ECB are likely to continue with the conference style early and mid season leading to a Division 1/ Division 2/ Division 3 at the end again next season. Not certain but likely. Then in 2023 we will revert to a two-Division styles Championship. And it’s likely that the position at the end of 2019 will not be used to revert to this. This will be determined by the cricket played in 2020/ 2021 and 2022. Which I can sort of understand given that three years will have elapsed since that position. Anyway! Just to say thanks to everyone for sharing their views about the domestic cricket we’ve had. It’s great to have had so many different views and I’ve really enjoyed reading what’s been said and responding to other views. For a cricket nut like me who unapologetically probably still lives in the past when it comes to county cricket I’ve really enjoyed engaging with what’s been said this year. To have got to 17 pages, is it a record?, was great. 👏👏👏 Stay safe through the winter. Perhaps when the Ashes start, if it does, we’ll have a new thread. Well I was wrong there! (I’m happy to say) BBC reporting that the County Championship will revert to two divisions of 10 and 8 from 2022 with two up two down. Gloucestershire and Northamptonshire will be in Division 1 and Nottinghamshire will be in Division 2. Well done the ECB, I think it’s the right decision overall. And I don’t often say that. |
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Post by irishrover on Oct 19, 2021 11:35:41 GMT
Well I suppose that the “Domestic” Season 2021 is now over. I hear that the ECB are likely to continue with the conference style early and mid season leading to a Division 1/ Division 2/ Division 3 at the end again next season. Not certain but likely. Then in 2023 we will revert to a two-Division styles Championship. And it’s likely that the position at the end of 2019 will not be used to revert to this. This will be determined by the cricket played in 2020/ 2021 and 2022. Which I can sort of understand given that three years will have elapsed since that position. Anyway! Just to say thanks to everyone for sharing their views about the domestic cricket we’ve had. It’s great to have had so many different views and I’ve really enjoyed reading what’s been said and responding to other views. For a cricket nut like me who unapologetically probably still lives in the past when it comes to county cricket I’ve really enjoyed engaging with what’s been said this year. To have got to 17 pages, is it a record?, was great. 👏👏👏 Stay safe through the winter. Perhaps when the Ashes start, if it does, we’ll have a new thread. Well I was wrong there! (I’m happy to say) BBC reporting that the County Championship will revert to two divisions of 10 and 8 from 2022 with two up two down. Gloucestershire and Northamptonshire will be in Division 1 and Nottinghamshire will be in Division 2. Well done the ECB, I think it’s the right decision overall. And I don’t often say that. At least they have made the decision quickly for once. It would have been difficult if Notts had won it but in the end they probably took the path of least resistance. I am concerned that it will just be another muddling through fudge though when it is clear that the whole schedule needs a bit of rethink with the advent of the 100. |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 19, 2021 15:43:56 GMT
Well I was wrong there! (I’m happy to say) BBC reporting that the County Championship will revert to two divisions of 10 and 8 from 2022 with two up two down. Gloucestershire and Northamptonshire will be in Division 1 and Nottinghamshire will be in Division 2. Well done the ECB, I think it’s the right decision overall. And I don’t often say that. At least they have made the decision quickly for once. It would have been difficult if Notts had won it but in the end they probably took the path of least resistance. I am concerned that it will just be another muddling through fudge though when it is clear that the whole schedule needs a bit of rethink with the advent of the 100. Yes, by itself it’s good that the decision has been taken quickly but the schedule needs to be addressed. |
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