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Post by irishrover on Sept 15, 2021 13:25:15 GMT
Good win. i think it’s important for Gloucestershire to finish in the top three in this “2nd Division”. They should be ok for Division 1 after their promotion in 2019 but if the ECB don’t revert to what it was in October 19 then Gloucestershire’s position may be at risk. Considering Nottinghamshire and Warwickshire were the bottom two and only one was going to be relegated to make it a 10/8 split at that time (Nottinghamshire) I would imagine the ECB would want both in a top division, being test ground counties. All up for grabs I think but Gloucestershire need to do all they can to protect their position and finishing in the top three is important, imo. It is a bit daft that we have reached this stage in the season and we still don't know what the ECB are going to do with the structure of Championship cricket next season. It's not at all clear what counties in Divs 2 and 3 are currently playing for. The Cricket Supporters Association (which seems a good organisation and is free to join) has a consultative survey out with the ECB on the preferred approach.
Still can't quite get over how abject Somerset's collapse has been. Is all well behind the scenes? They need to get themselves up for Saturday now but their confidence must be shot.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 15, 2021 18:03:30 GMT
Good win. i think it’s important for Gloucestershire to finish in the top three in this “2nd Division”. They should be ok for Division 1 after their promotion in 2019 but if the ECB don’t revert to what it was in October 19 then Gloucestershire’s position may be at risk. Considering Nottinghamshire and Warwickshire were the bottom two and only one was going to be relegated to make it a 10/8 split at that time (Nottinghamshire) I would imagine the ECB would want both in a top division, being test ground counties. All up for grabs I think but Gloucestershire need to do all they can to protect their position and finishing in the top three is important, imo. It is a bit daft that we have reached this stage in the season and we still don't know what the ECB are going to do with the structure of Championship cricket next season. It's not at all clear what counties in Divs 2 and 3 are currently playing for. The Cricket Supporters Association (which seems a good organisation and is free to join) has a consultative survey out with the ECB on the preferred approach.
Still can't quite get over how abject Somerset's collapse has been. Is all well behind the scenes? They need to get themselves up for Saturday now but their confidence must be shot.
They are going to leave it very late to decide what to do with next years Championship. Fixtures normally out in the dark, but when you see next years fixtures it might be bright as March. My hunch is they will continue with this format, Too much time passed now to revert to September 19 or before. Although they never said the divisional finish will be for seeding pots, I think that’s what they’ll do. if they want to revert to two divisions they may have to reset with a one division season, half your games home, half away. the current system is popular with county’s, everyone starts with chance of title winners, and without divisions and with title to go for player retention they think will be easier. Also it guarantees at least one main local rival home and away each season, again thinking of attendances and revenue. |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 15, 2021 23:02:00 GMT
Good win. i think it’s important for Gloucestershire to finish in the top three in this “2nd Division”. They should be ok for Division 1 after their promotion in 2019 but if the ECB don’t revert to what it was in October 19 then Gloucestershire’s position may be at risk. Considering Nottinghamshire and Warwickshire were the bottom two and only one was going to be relegated to make it a 10/8 split at that time (Nottinghamshire) I would imagine the ECB would want both in a top division, being test ground counties. All up for grabs I think but Gloucestershire need to do all they can to protect their position and finishing in the top three is important, imo. It is a bit daft that we have reached this stage in the season and we still don't know what the ECB are going to do with the structure of Championship cricket next season. It's not at all clear what counties in Divs 2 and 3 are currently playing for. The Cricket Supporters Association (which seems a good organisation and is free to join) has a consultative survey out with the ECB on the preferred approach.
Still can't quite get over how abject Somerset's collapse has been. Is all well behind the scenes? They need to get themselves up for Saturday now but their confidence must be shot.
FWIW I think we might not hear for some time about what the CC may look like for next season. At the end of 2019 Nottinghamshire were bottom and were relegated, Northamptonshire and Gloucestershire were promoted. I think the ECB plan was to have a 10/8 split so 1 was to go down and 2 to come up. At the start of this season Nottinghamshire hadn’t won a CC match for over two years but now have a chance to win the competition. If we stick to the intended pattern at the end of 2019 it could happen that the 2021 Champions start next season in Div 2. Obviously that wouldn’t be allowed to happen and the ECB will look at an option to avoid them looking even more stupid than they manage themselves. What that is I don’t know but we’ll wait until after this season has been decided. I hope a Div 1 and Div 2 for the best quality but I doubt we’ll get a 18 match season with H and A matches which would be great. It will be 14 matches, 7 H and 7 A so teams may be lucky as to who they do and don’t play. November decision at the earliest to enable counties to organise the matches in time for memberships to go out in January, which is the timescale of what happens in Somerset. As to Somerset irish and whether all is well behind the scenes. I don’t know but I’ve been at every County Championship day that crowds have been allowed in this season and apart from moans I’ve not heard anything. And some of the people I sit with are in the know and know the gossip etc. For example it was known that Byrom was on his way to Glamorgan a month or so before he went. We have good, talented players I hope the coaching available is as good as it can be. I think that there are more question marks over the quality of the coaching at the top perhaps. And secondly you’re right about it being an abject few weeks. But I’m not sure it’s as bad as it might appear and whilst the batsmen have got the criticism I see it somewhat differently. Our batting has been questionable over the last 4/5 years. We’ve never replaced Marcus T, we never replaced Chris Rogers. Their replacements have been our own youngsters which is great but you need the patience to allow them to progress. Tom Banton arrived in 2019 but barely played last year and this year has struggled in red ball cricket. Tom Lammonby arrived with 4 centuries last season but has found this season much harder, few major scores and none over 50, I think. Monday’s century was his first for a year and tbh perhaps he’s been found out. He’s got to widen his repertoire of shots. We’ve got lots of other decent players, Bartlett and this season Goldsworthy who should be our No. 6 for the next 10 years. Getting to the BWT Final last year papered over the cracks because we didn’t bat well all season yet in nearly every match someone got a century to give us a decent score. The runs, apart form Lammonby, were shared around. Our pace bowlers always got us out of trouble. I didn’t realise this until chatting to one of the encyclopaedias of Somerset minutiae yesterday but the last time Somerset signed a batsman from another county before Chris Rogers from Middlesex in 2016 was Nick Compton, again from Middlesex in about 2006/7 (?). Perhaps Steve Davies fits that but he was more of a wicketkeeper who batted rather than a pure batsman. When you see the frequency at which counties make loan signings nowadays I found that an incredible statistic! We don’t do it, we seem happy to provide opportunities for our young players. The reason why we have been so poor imo is that our bowling hasn’t been the potent force this season compared to the last 5/6/7 seasons. This season we have been without Overton, Leach and Gregory since June when we rolled sides over very easily and topped our group easily. Add to that the loss of J Overton to Surrey at the end of last season, Jack Leach’s non availability most of the season, and the need to rest Josh Davey in this most recent match has resulted in a bowling attack that is a shadow of that of the last few seasons. Yorkshire and Surrey can delve deeper than us when injuries and test matches call upon your best players. Counties like us and Sussex can’t delve so deep and we are really affected by these absences. And tbh Marchant de Lange may well have had a good Hundred but as an overseas player he excites, sometimes esp in one day matches but in Championship cricket he hasn’t delivered and our bowling hasn’t looked likely to get 20 wickets since June. We’ll be up for Saturday but the formless team, us are playing the form team in Hampshire (my pick for the Championship at the start of this thread in April) in the first semi final. But we’ll have Overton back for the first time since June and Gregory will I hope, Captain us and play as a batsman even if he can’t bowl. We’ll be ok even if we don’t win. I bet Yorkshire were getting some real stick on Monday and Tuesday at Headingly with that dismal display. It doesn’t get like that at Taunton, there was lots of humour, albeit gallows humour and we even had Stephen Croft laughing with the banter! Roll on 2022!! |
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 18, 2021 10:14:18 GMT
Cracking start for Somerset as they reduce Hampshire to 8-2 in just over 2 overs ,dangerman Vince out for no score
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 18, 2021 12:22:36 GMT
What was a promising start turned rather against them and the reply to 150 had been catastrophic.. somewhat puts the final nail in the falling away of this season, shame ,but it's only a game
Well I'll eat my hat,!! Just how did that happen,!!!!
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Post by irishrover on Sept 20, 2021 17:05:01 GMT
It is a bit daft that we have reached this stage in the season and we still don't know what the ECB are going to do with the structure of Championship cricket next season. It's not at all clear what counties in Divs 2 and 3 are currently playing for. The Cricket Supporters Association (which seems a good organisation and is free to join) has a consultative survey out with the ECB on the preferred approach.
Still can't quite get over how abject Somerset's collapse has been. Is all well behind the scenes? They need to get themselves up for Saturday now but their confidence must be shot.
FWIW I think we might not hear for some time about what the CC may look like for next season. At the end of 2019 Nottinghamshire were bottom and were relegated, Northamptonshire and Gloucestershire were promoted. I think the ECB plan was to have a 10/8 split so 1 was to go down and 2 to come up. At the start of this season Nottinghamshire hadn’t won a CC match for over two years but now have a chance to win the competition. If we stick to the intended pattern at the end of 2019 it could happen that the 2021 Champions start next season in Div 2. Obviously that wouldn’t be allowed to happen and the ECB will look at an option to avoid them looking even more stupid than they manage themselves. What that is I don’t know but we’ll wait until after this season has been decided. I hope a Div 1 and Div 2 for the best quality but I doubt we’ll get a 18 match season with H and A matches which would be great. It will be 14 matches, 7 H and 7 A so teams may be lucky as to who they do and don’t play. November decision at the earliest to enable counties to organise the matches in time for memberships to go out in January, which is the timescale of what happens in Somerset. As to Somerset irish and whether all is well behind the scenes. I don’t know but I’ve been at every County Championship day that crowds have been allowed in this season and apart from moans I’ve not heard anything. And some of the people I sit with are in the know and know the gossip etc. For example it was known that Byrom was on his way to Glamorgan a month or so before he went. We have good, talented players I hope the coaching available is as good as it can be. I think that there are more question marks over the quality of the coaching at the top perhaps. And secondly you’re right about it being an abject few weeks. But I’m not sure it’s as bad as it might appear and whilst the batsmen have got the criticism I see it somewhat differently. Our batting has been questionable over the last 4/5 years. We’ve never replaced Marcus T, we never replaced Chris Rogers. Their replacements have been our own youngsters which is great but you need the patience to allow them to progress. Tom Banton arrived in 2019 but barely played last year and this year has struggled in red ball cricket. Tom Lammonby arrived with 4 centuries last season but has found this season much harder, few major scores and none over 50, I think. Monday’s century was his first for a year and tbh perhaps he’s been found out. He’s got to widen his repertoire of shots. We’ve got lots of other decent players, Bartlett and this season Goldsworthy who should be our No. 6 for the next 10 years. Getting to the BWT Final last year papered over the cracks because we didn’t bat well all season yet in nearly every match someone got a century to give us a decent score. The runs, apart form Lammonby, were shared around. Our pace bowlers always got us out of trouble. I didn’t realise this until chatting to one of the encyclopaedias of Somerset minutiae yesterday but the last time Somerset signed a batsman from another county before Chris Rogers from Middlesex in 2016 was Nick Compton, again from Middlesex in about 2006/7 (?). Perhaps Steve Davies fits that but he was more of a wicketkeeper who batted rather than a pure batsman. When you see the frequency at which counties make loan signings nowadays I found that an incredible statistic! We don’t do it, we seem happy to provide opportunities for our young players. The reason why we have been so poor imo is that our bowling hasn’t been the potent force this season compared to the last 5/6/7 seasons. This season we have been without Overton, Leach and Gregory since June when we rolled sides over very easily and topped our group easily. Add to that the loss of J Overton to Surrey at the end of last season, Jack Leach’s non availability most of the season, and the need to rest Josh Davey in this most recent match has resulted in a bowling attack that is a shadow of that of the last few seasons. Yorkshire and Surrey can delve deeper than us when injuries and test matches call upon your best players. Counties like us and Sussex can’t delve so deep and we are really affected by these absences. And tbh Marchant de Lange may well have had a good Hundred but as an overseas player he excites, sometimes esp in one day matches but in Championship cricket he hasn’t delivered and our bowling hasn’t looked likely to get 20 wickets since June. We’ll be up for Saturday but the formless team, us are playing the form team in Hampshire (my pick for the Championship at the start of this thread in April) in the first semi final. But we’ll have Overton back for the first time since June and Gregory will I hope, Captain us and play as a batsman even if he can’t bowl. We’ll be ok even if we don’t win. I bet Yorkshire were getting some real stick on Monday and Tuesday at Headingly with that dismal display. It doesn’t get like that at Taunton, there was lots of humour, albeit gallows humour and we even had Stephen Croft laughing with the banter! Roll on 2022!! Thanks for that - it's important insight. Possibly Somerset's recent success has meant that outsiders have just seen the results without looking too much and what is going on under the bonnet and just assumed they should be one of the favourites making their collapse seem surprising. I suppose there is an alternative narrative whereby they have just been a bit exposed once every game became against one of the top sides although that might be overcorrecting in the other direction somewhat.
I can see why Somerset back their youngsters. They have enviable production line and most counties would love to have the depth and range of young players they consistently produce. Plus while they are one of the 'haves' of the county world these days they're still not a Test venue county so I suppose they do have to think strategically about their resources. That is an interesting stat about not bringing in batsmen from other counties though - suggests that its a policy rather than a coincidence. I do wonder if they have a bit of a modern problem too - many of their youngsters seem like very good attacking white ball players, possibly that fails to translate into the red ball game as consistently as it needs to? That's surely an issue that is here to stay though - if I was a talented young batsman I'd be focusing on white skills too because that's where both the money and the career longevity are most likely to be now unfortunately.
I didn't see the final of the T20 and can't find highlights anywhere but it looked from the fall of wickets like Somerset throw it away from a winning positon at 10 Overs. I did see the Semi-Final though - that was enormously entertaining!
Final week of the Championship this week. I'm hoping to get over to see at least 1 day at Liverpool to watch a bit of Lancs v Hants which could prove critical but I suspect the decisive moment will at Trent Bridge where I assume the Sky cameras will be this week.
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Post by jackthegas on Sept 20, 2021 18:24:09 GMT
FWIW I think we might not hear for some time about what the CC may look like for next season. At the end of 2019 Nottinghamshire were bottom and were relegated, Northamptonshire and Gloucestershire were promoted. I think the ECB plan was to have a 10/8 split so 1 was to go down and 2 to come up. At the start of this season Nottinghamshire hadn’t won a CC match for over two years but now have a chance to win the competition. If we stick to the intended pattern at the end of 2019 it could happen that the 2021 Champions start next season in Div 2. Obviously that wouldn’t be allowed to happen and the ECB will look at an option to avoid them looking even more stupid than they manage themselves. What that is I don’t know but we’ll wait until after this season has been decided. I hope a Div 1 and Div 2 for the best quality but I doubt we’ll get a 18 match season with H and A matches which would be great. It will be 14 matches, 7 H and 7 A so teams may be lucky as to who they do and don’t play. November decision at the earliest to enable counties to organise the matches in time for memberships to go out in January, which is the timescale of what happens in Somerset. As to Somerset irish and whether all is well behind the scenes. I don’t know but I’ve been at every County Championship day that crowds have been allowed in this season and apart from moans I’ve not heard anything. And some of the people I sit with are in the know and know the gossip etc. For example it was known that Byrom was on his way to Glamorgan a month or so before he went. We have good, talented players I hope the coaching available is as good as it can be. I think that there are more question marks over the quality of the coaching at the top perhaps. And secondly you’re right about it being an abject few weeks. But I’m not sure it’s as bad as it might appear and whilst the batsmen have got the criticism I see it somewhat differently. Our batting has been questionable over the last 4/5 years. We’ve never replaced Marcus T, we never replaced Chris Rogers. Their replacements have been our own youngsters which is great but you need the patience to allow them to progress. Tom Banton arrived in 2019 but barely played last year and this year has struggled in red ball cricket. Tom Lammonby arrived with 4 centuries last season but has found this season much harder, few major scores and none over 50, I think. Monday’s century was his first for a year and tbh perhaps he’s been found out. He’s got to widen his repertoire of shots. We’ve got lots of other decent players, Bartlett and this season Goldsworthy who should be our No. 6 for the next 10 years. Getting to the BWT Final last year papered over the cracks because we didn’t bat well all season yet in nearly every match someone got a century to give us a decent score. The runs, apart form Lammonby, were shared around. Our pace bowlers always got us out of trouble. I didn’t realise this until chatting to one of the encyclopaedias of Somerset minutiae yesterday but the last time Somerset signed a batsman from another county before Chris Rogers from Middlesex in 2016 was Nick Compton, again from Middlesex in about 2006/7 (?). Perhaps Steve Davies fits that but he was more of a wicketkeeper who batted rather than a pure batsman. When you see the frequency at which counties make loan signings nowadays I found that an incredible statistic! We don’t do it, we seem happy to provide opportunities for our young players. The reason why we have been so poor imo is that our bowling hasn’t been the potent force this season compared to the last 5/6/7 seasons. This season we have been without Overton, Leach and Gregory since June when we rolled sides over very easily and topped our group easily. Add to that the loss of J Overton to Surrey at the end of last season, Jack Leach’s non availability most of the season, and the need to rest Josh Davey in this most recent match has resulted in a bowling attack that is a shadow of that of the last few seasons. Yorkshire and Surrey can delve deeper than us when injuries and test matches call upon your best players. Counties like us and Sussex can’t delve so deep and we are really affected by these absences. And tbh Marchant de Lange may well have had a good Hundred but as an overseas player he excites, sometimes esp in one day matches but in Championship cricket he hasn’t delivered and our bowling hasn’t looked likely to get 20 wickets since June. We’ll be up for Saturday but the formless team, us are playing the form team in Hampshire (my pick for the Championship at the start of this thread in April) in the first semi final. But we’ll have Overton back for the first time since June and Gregory will I hope, Captain us and play as a batsman even if he can’t bowl. We’ll be ok even if we don’t win. I bet Yorkshire were getting some real stick on Monday and Tuesday at Headingly with that dismal display. It doesn’t get like that at Taunton, there was lots of humour, albeit gallows humour and we even had Stephen Croft laughing with the banter! Roll on 2022!! Thanks for that - it's important insight. Possibly Somerset's recent success has meant that outsiders have just seen the results without looking too much and what is going on under the bonnet and just assumed they should be one of the favourites making their collapse seem surprising. I suppose there is an alternative narrative whereby they have just been a bit exposed once every game became against one of the top sides although that might be overcorrecting in the other direction somewhat.
I can see why Somerset back their youngsters. They have enviable production line and most counties would love to have the depth and range of young players they consistently produce. Plus while they are one of the 'haves' of the county world these days they're still not a Test venue county so I suppose they do have to think strategically about their resources. That is an interesting stat about not bringing in batsmen from other counties though - suggests that its a policy rather than a coincidence. I do wonder if they have a bit of a modern problem too - many of their youngsters seem like very good attacking white ball players, possibly that fails to translate into the red ball game as consistently as it needs to? That's surely an issue that is here to stay though - if I was a talented young batsman I'd be focusing on white skills too because that's where both the money and the career longevity are most likely to be now unfortunately.
I didn't see the final of the T20 and can't find highlights anywhere but it looked from the fall of wickets like Somerset throw it away from a winning positon at 10 Overs. I did see the Semi-Final though - that was enormously entertaining!
Final week of the Championship this week. I'm hoping to get over to see at least 1 day at Liverpool to watch a bit of Lancs v Hants which could prove critical but I suspect the decisive moment will at Trent Bridge where I assume the Sky cameras will be this week.
I'm off to Edgbaston tomorrow. No idea where the title is heading, but it will a major surprise to me if Warwickshire don't beat Somerset which would put the pressure on Hampshire and all but rule Notts out wouldn't it? |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 20, 2021 22:26:12 GMT
Thanks for that - it's important insight. Possibly Somerset's recent success has meant that outsiders have just seen the results without looking too much and what is going on under the bonnet and just assumed they should be one of the favourites making their collapse seem surprising. I suppose there is an alternative narrative whereby they have just been a bit exposed once every game became against one of the top sides although that might be overcorrecting in the other direction somewhat.
I can see why Somerset back their youngsters. They have enviable production line and most counties would love to have the depth and range of young players they consistently produce. Plus while they are one of the 'haves' of the county world these days they're still not a Test venue county so I suppose they do have to think strategically about their resources. That is an interesting stat about not bringing in batsmen from other counties though - suggests that its a policy rather than a coincidence. I do wonder if they have a bit of a modern problem too - many of their youngsters seem like very good attacking white ball players, possibly that fails to translate into the red ball game as consistently as it needs to? That's surely an issue that is here to stay though - if I was a talented young batsman I'd be focusing on white skills too because that's where both the money and the career longevity are most likely to be now unfortunately.
I didn't see the final of the T20 and can't find highlights anywhere but it looked from the fall of wickets like Somerset throw it away from a winning positon at 10 Overs. I did see the Semi-Final though - that was enormously entertaining!
Final week of the Championship this week. I'm hoping to get over to see at least 1 day at Liverpool to watch a bit of Lancs v Hants which could prove critical but I suspect the decisive moment will at Trent Bridge where I assume the Sky cameras will be this week.
I'm off to Edgbaston tomorrow. No idea where the title is heading, but it will a major surprise to me if Warwickshire don't beat Somerset which would put the pressure on Hampshire and all but rule Notts out wouldn't it? I had booked provisionally 3 nights in Birmingham thinking I had to be there for when we win it but after the Yorkshire match I cancelled as there was little hope of it. Have a good day jack. I think we’ll be a better side with Overton back for the first time since June. With Davey we will have a better chance and Warwickshire haven’t been great with the bat recently. No hope for us but most others are in with a chance which is a great end for the ECB. Will the Liverpool pitch last for 4 days? Could be that the winners come from that match. In a way I hope Lancashire do it or Nottinghamshire perhaps. |
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Post by irishrover on Sept 21, 2021 13:02:26 GMT
Thanks for that - it's important insight. Possibly Somerset's recent success has meant that outsiders have just seen the results without looking too much and what is going on under the bonnet and just assumed they should be one of the favourites making their collapse seem surprising. I suppose there is an alternative narrative whereby they have just been a bit exposed once every game became against one of the top sides although that might be overcorrecting in the other direction somewhat.
I can see why Somerset back their youngsters. They have enviable production line and most counties would love to have the depth and range of young players they consistently produce. Plus while they are one of the 'haves' of the county world these days they're still not a Test venue county so I suppose they do have to think strategically about their resources. That is an interesting stat about not bringing in batsmen from other counties though - suggests that its a policy rather than a coincidence. I do wonder if they have a bit of a modern problem too - many of their youngsters seem like very good attacking white ball players, possibly that fails to translate into the red ball game as consistently as it needs to? That's surely an issue that is here to stay though - if I was a talented young batsman I'd be focusing on white skills too because that's where both the money and the career longevity are most likely to be now unfortunately.
I didn't see the final of the T20 and can't find highlights anywhere but it looked from the fall of wickets like Somerset throw it away from a winning positon at 10 Overs. I did see the Semi-Final though - that was enormously entertaining!
Final week of the Championship this week. I'm hoping to get over to see at least 1 day at Liverpool to watch a bit of Lancs v Hants which could prove critical but I suspect the decisive moment will at Trent Bridge where I assume the Sky cameras will be this week.
I'm off to Edgbaston tomorrow. No idea where the title is heading, but it will a major surprise to me if Warwickshire don't beat Somerset which would put the pressure on Hampshire and all but rule Notts out wouldn't it? Sorry yes you are right. I was thinking Yorks had done better than they had as well.
Not sure I'll get to Aigburth now (always seem to miss out on going there - never been in 10 years up here!). Watching the stream though - not much going Hants way (including Dawson run out backing up from a glorious Vince drive with Vince himself then horribly giving it away in typical fashon 3 balls later!). Lancs have put themselves right in the mix here, Balderson has been something of a revelation for them in final set of fixtures.
Of course, there's also the question of who qualifies for the Bob Willis trophy thingy and the dubious of getting to freeze their nadgers off at Lords in October! Everyone is in with a short of that apart from Somerset so plenty to play for. Notts-Yorks fairly even so far while Warwcks seem to be the latest team to be piling on the pain for a Somerset side that presumably mentally checked out some time around the middle of August.....
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Post by jackthegas on Sept 21, 2021 18:22:53 GMT
Gripping day at Edgbaston, although I'm afraid to say that the tension wasn't provided as a result of a close contest. I think the crowd knew Warwickshire would need 350 to get the 4th batting point and before Somerset took the new ball, it looked like they had been too circumspect between overs 60 and 80. Losing Sibley and Rhodes probably didn't help, although I'm not sure Sibley is capable of kicking on, so perhaps him getting out was no bad thing.
I know his record isn't great in red ball cricket, but I can see why people clamour for Hain to get a chance in the test team. I've seen him in the championship a few times over the years and he always seems a cut above. Gave a chance today, but strong through the onside as ever and Somerset didn't really look like getting him out.
For Somerset, Overton was the best bowler on display. Got a bit of bounce out of the pitch and was unlucky not to pick up a few early ones. I'm a bit worried England have ruined leach. He's looked innocuous both times I've seen him in the last month.
If Warwickshire can get to 350 inside the next 14 overs in the morning, I'd be amazed if they don't win the championship. I just can't see Somerset putting up much resistance with the bat. I reckon they must be desperate for the season to finish.
Someone mentioned tractor earlier in this thread. Edgbaston is massive, but despite that, I ended up sitting just a few rows in front of him today. Certainly not a quiet chap is he!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 21, 2021 19:28:29 GMT
Gripping day at Edgbaston, although I'm afraid to say that the tension wasn't provided as a result of a close contest. I think the crowd knew Warwickshire would need 350 to get the 4th batting point and before Somerset took the new ball, it looked like they had been too circumspect between overs 60 and 80. Losing Sibley and Rhodes probably didn't help, although I'm not sure Sibley is capable of kicking on, so perhaps him getting out was no bad thing. I know his record isn't great in red ball cricket, but I can see why people clamour for Hain to get a chance in the test team. I've seen him in the championship a few times over the years and he always seems a cut above. Gave a chance today, but strong through the onside as ever and Somerset didn't really look like getting him out. For Somerset, Overton was the best bowler on display. Got a bit of bounce out of the pitch and was unlucky not to pick up a few early ones. I'm a bit worried England have ruined leach. He's looked innocuous both times I've seen him in the last month. If Warwickshire can get to 350 inside the next 14 overs in the morning, I'd be amazed if they don't win the championship. I just can't see Somerset putting up much resistance with the bat. I reckon they must be desperate for the season to finish. Someone mentioned tractor earlier in this thread. Edgbaston is massive, but despite that, I ended up sitting just a few rows in front of him today. Certainly not a quiet chap is he! Warwickshire, chasing the Championship should create their own tension. It’s a big prize. With the score they should get their 4th point at least and go for a large 380/390 score to put the pressure on. After today at Liverpool where’s there’s likely to be a result I’d say it’s going to make a winner for Warwickshire with more bonus points than Lancashire vital. And Somerset have a more balanced team with both Overton and Gregory giving some depth to the batting. I’d be more hopeful that we’ll bat better than we have so far in September, it can’t be worse surely! 😉 So definitely nervous time for all until Friday. Though it could be over, one way or another much sooner. Your point about Leach is a good one, been obvious for some time I think. He’s very much a confidence player and it looks like that’s been shot after playing little cricket in 2020 and 2021. After 25 wickets at Chelmsford today I’m looking forward to the wicket inspectors going there but I won’t hold my breath. It won’t happen. |
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Post by tenniscourtgas on Sept 21, 2021 20:11:56 GMT
Went to the County Ground today, great day’s cricket, in warm sunshine!
Can’t see this game lasting beyond Thursday, and after an excellent bowling display, backed up by faultless catching, Gloucestershire failed to press home their advantage.
Amazing to see Gloucestershire spinners taking so many wickets on the first day!
Lees looked a composed batsman for Durham, but they subsided pretty quickly in the afternoon, with batting looking increasingly difficult against the turning ball.
Dent was out in the first over when Gloucestershire went into bat, and Hammond lost his wicket to another rash shot.
Bracey looked comfortable, until he padded up to the last ball before tea, with things looking tricky for Gloucestershire.
A fine, purposeful innings by Van Buuren was the best of the day, he didn’t allow himself to be tied down by the Durham spinners, and he looked likely to be steering Gloucestershire into a promising position, but two late wickets left them only a handful of runs in front, with four wickets left.
Every run will be precious now, Durham’s second innings will probably determine the outcome of this one, with Northamptonshire out of the picture at Chelmsford, Durham or Gloucestershire fighting for second place.
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Post by irishrover on Sept 22, 2021 10:35:04 GMT
Gripping day at Edgbaston, although I'm afraid to say that the tension wasn't provided as a result of a close contest. I think the crowd knew Warwickshire would need 350 to get the 4th batting point and before Somerset took the new ball, it looked like they had been too circumspect between overs 60 and 80. Losing Sibley and Rhodes probably didn't help, although I'm not sure Sibley is capable of kicking on, so perhaps him getting out was no bad thing. I know his record isn't great in red ball cricket, but I can see why people clamour for Hain to get a chance in the test team. I've seen him in the championship a few times over the years and he always seems a cut above. Gave a chance today, but strong through the onside as ever and Somerset didn't really look like getting him out. For Somerset, Overton was the best bowler on display. Got a bit of bounce out of the pitch and was unlucky not to pick up a few early ones. I'm a bit worried England have ruined leach. He's looked innocuous both times I've seen him in the last month. If Warwickshire can get to 350 inside the next 14 overs in the morning, I'd be amazed if they don't win the championship. I just can't see Somerset putting up much resistance with the bat. I reckon they must be desperate for the season to finish. Someone mentioned tractor earlier in this thread. Edgbaston is massive, but despite that, I ended up sitting just a few rows in front of him today. Certainly not a quiet chap is he! Lots of twists already this morning. In trying to get to 350 in time Warwickshire have kind of let Somerset back into this game if (and it's a massive IF) the Somerset batting lineup can salvage some pride they could still play a major part in the direction of the Championship. You'd think they'd be at least a bit up for it if just for saving professional face. But as I'm typing this Danny Briggs has somehow marshalled the Warwcks 10th wicket to the batting point they need to remain favourites - amazing stuff, who said cricket is boring? That will be gutting for Hampshire who looked like they'd become favourites with a fightback against Lancs at Liverpool where it seems to be moving sideways!
I read yesterday that Warwickshire hadn't won the title since 2004. That just doesn't sound right to me - I was sure that Barker and Wright bowled them to a title more recently than that or was it that long ago and I'm just very old now!
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Post by jackthegas on Sept 22, 2021 10:45:18 GMT
Made a late decision to switch matches today. Was going to go to New road, but with Mitchell getting out before the close last night and the championship on the line at Edgbaston, I'm back in Birmingham.
How on earth did Warwickshire get over the line? Overton has been fantastic this morning but Brookes and Davey haven't quite been able to back him up.
They almost got down to a run a ball with 9 fielders back on the fence when norwell hit one up in the air and Azhar Ali at long off took a great catch. I thought they were toast, but Briggs showed great skill and composure to hit the first 3 balls of the 110th over for 4. A great cover drive, a steer towards me sitting by the deep 3rd boundary, which split the two boundary fielders and a mow into the on side which obviously lead to plenty of cheers from the home crowd. Great drama with news filtering through that Lancs are 7 down and still 100 behind. Pretty clear Warwickshire had to get the 4th point.
As an aside, it does occur to me, that if you want to promote more sensible batting and longer innings, it is worth changing the length of time available to collect bonus points. Getting to 400 in 110 overs is a tall order and inevitably leads to some lower order slogging. It's a good watch, but not really a skill you need in the test arena.
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Post by absent on Sept 22, 2021 10:52:43 GMT
Is Essex's victory over Northamptonshire a record for shortest ever completed match? An innings and 44 runs, despite only scoring 170 themselves.
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Post by jackthegas on Sept 22, 2021 10:54:18 GMT
Gripping day at Edgbaston, although I'm afraid to say that the tension wasn't provided as a result of a close contest. I think the crowd knew Warwickshire would need 350 to get the 4th batting point and before Somerset took the new ball, it looked like they had been too circumspect between overs 60 and 80. Losing Sibley and Rhodes probably didn't help, although I'm not sure Sibley is capable of kicking on, so perhaps him getting out was no bad thing. I know his record isn't great in red ball cricket, but I can see why people clamour for Hain to get a chance in the test team. I've seen him in the championship a few times over the years and he always seems a cut above. Gave a chance today, but strong through the onside as ever and Somerset didn't really look like getting him out. For Somerset, Overton was the best bowler on display. Got a bit of bounce out of the pitch and was unlucky not to pick up a few early ones. I'm a bit worried England have ruined leach. He's looked innocuous both times I've seen him in the last month. If Warwickshire can get to 350 inside the next 14 overs in the morning, I'd be amazed if they don't win the championship. I just can't see Somerset putting up much resistance with the bat. I reckon they must be desperate for the season to finish. Someone mentioned tractor earlier in this thread. Edgbaston is massive, but despite that, I ended up sitting just a few rows in front of him today. Certainly not a quiet chap is he! Lots of twists already this morning. In trying to get to 350 in time Warwickshire have kind of let Somerset back into this game if (and it's a massive IF) the Somerset batting lineup can salvage some pride they could still play a major part in the direction of the Championship. You'd think they'd be at least a bit up for it if just for saving professional face. But as I'm typing this Danny Briggs has somehow marshalled the Warwcks 10th wicket to the batting point they need to remain favourites - amazing stuff, who said cricket is boring? That will be gutting for Hampshire who looked like they'd become favourites with a fightback against Lancs at Liverpool where it seems to be moving sideways!
I read yesterday that Warwickshire hadn't won the title since 2004. That just doesn't sound right to me - I was sure that Barker and Wright bowled them to a title more recently than that or was it that long ago and I'm just very old now!
Yeah. I reckon they won it about 10 years ago. Woakes was on the cusp of the England squad and Patel was around too. |
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Post by jackthegas on Sept 22, 2021 11:56:46 GMT
Is Essex's victory over Northamptonshire a record for shortest ever completed match? An innings and 44 runs, despite only scoring 170 themselves. Apparently, this is the case. |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2021 11:57:53 GMT
Lots of twists already this morning. In trying to get to 350 in time Warwickshire have kind of let Somerset back into this game if (and it's a massive IF) the Somerset batting lineup can salvage some pride they could still play a major part in the direction of the Championship. You'd think they'd be at least a bit up for it if just for saving professional face. But as I'm typing this Danny Briggs has somehow marshalled the Warwcks 10th wicket to the batting point they need to remain favourites - amazing stuff, who said cricket is boring? That will be gutting for Hampshire who looked like they'd become favourites with a fightback against Lancs at Liverpool where it seems to be moving sideways!
I read yesterday that Warwickshire hadn't won the title since 2004. That just doesn't sound right to me - I was sure that Barker and Wright bowled them to a title more recently than that or was it that long ago and I'm just very old now!
Yeah. I reckon they won it about 10 years ago. Woakes was on the cusp of the England squad and Patel was around too. With Jim Troughton as captain I think. Now he’s on the staff at Somerset as a coach! |
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Post by irishrover on Sept 22, 2021 14:03:50 GMT
Lots of twists already this morning. In trying to get to 350 in time Warwickshire have kind of let Somerset back into this game if (and it's a massive IF) the Somerset batting lineup can salvage some pride they could still play a major part in the direction of the Championship. You'd think they'd be at least a bit up for it if just for saving professional face. But as I'm typing this Danny Briggs has somehow marshalled the Warwcks 10th wicket to the batting point they need to remain favourites - amazing stuff, who said cricket is boring? That will be gutting for Hampshire who looked like they'd become favourites with a fightback against Lancs at Liverpool where it seems to be moving sideways!
I read yesterday that Warwickshire hadn't won the title since 2004. That just doesn't sound right to me - I was sure that Barker and Wright bowled them to a title more recently than that or was it that long ago and I'm just very old now!
Yeah. I reckon they won it about 10 years ago. Woakes was on the cusp of the England squad and Patel was around too. Yes Wikipedia confirms they won it in 2012 - Barker, Wrights, Woakes et al. That was a great bowling side. So clearly whoever wrote that didn't do their research and I'm not going mad or even older than I think I am!
Twists again though. Lancs scrambled to 1st innings parity at Aigburth and are now favourites to win that match again with Hants reeling in what seems to be borderline unplayable conditions at 25-4. But 100 lead could win it for the anyway. I'd go so far as to say that if it ends at Liverpool today than Lancs will win and if it ends tomorrow then Hants will! With Somerset putting up some resistance this could still go down to the wire. Either way it looks like one of Hants or Lancs will be 'leaders in the clubhouse' while we wait for the game at Edgbaston to finish so to speak and they may have a 2 day wait!
I can't quite believe that Essex win is shortest ever - I'm sure there are games in the dim and distant past that ended in a day. Possibly the shortest in the 4 day era maybe?
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 22, 2021 15:18:08 GMT
Warwickshire CC have announced that it's free bums on seats for the remainder of the current game
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