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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2021 16:34:15 GMT
Is Essex's victory over Northamptonshire a record for shortest ever completed match? An innings and 44 runs, despite only scoring 170 themselves. Apparently, this is the case. In the modern era. In 1953 at Bath Somerset v Lancashire. The match was over in 5 and a half hours, all in one day. Lancashire 158, Somerset 55 and 79 to lose by an innings. Unfortunately for Bertie Buse the Somerset bowler it was his benefit match and instead of three days takings he had only one day’s. |
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 22, 2021 16:42:11 GMT
Apparently, this is the case. In the modern era. In 1953 at Bath Somerset v Lancashire. The match was over in 5 and a half hours, all in one day. Lancashire 158, Somerset 55 and 79 to lose by an innings. Unfortunately for Bertie Buse the Somerset bowler it was his benefit match and instead of three days takings he had only one day’s. At least they avoided the follow on today, an achievement considering the last few games played 🏏🏏 |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2021 17:31:49 GMT
In the modern era. In 1953 at Bath Somerset v Lancashire. The match was over in 5 and a half hours, all in one day. Lancashire 158, Somerset 55 and 79 to lose by an innings. Unfortunately for Bertie Buse the Somerset bowler it was his benefit match and instead of three days takings he had only one day’s. At least they avoided the follow on today, an achievement considering the last few games played 🏏🏏 Yes it is!! 👍👍 But the addition of Gregory and Overton, still to bat, makes us a much better and more balanced team. A big, big difference. |
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Post by irishrover on Sept 23, 2021 8:36:17 GMT
Am I the only one who think Somerset's in quite a good position in this game?
I got texts from 3 people yesterday saying things along the lines of 'it's over, Warwickshire have won it' etc. I don't agree. From what I can see they're playing with small boundaries at Edgbaston to maximise batting points. Every chance here that Somerset a)rob Warwcks of maximum bowling points and b)get a 1st innings lead. Either way, Warwcks won't be batting till well into Day 3 most likely and it will be hard for them to give themselves more than 3 sessions to bowl them out. I think the title race is very much alive.
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Post by jackthegas on Sept 23, 2021 8:40:36 GMT
Am I the only one who think Somerset's in quite a good position in this game?
I got texts from 3 people yesterday saying things along the lines of 'it's over, Warwickshire have won it' etc. I don't agree. From what I can see they're playing with small boundaries at Edgbaston to maximise batting points. Every chance here that Somerset a)rob Warwcks of maximum bowling points and b)get a 1st innings lead. Either way, Warwcks won't be batting till well into Day 3 most likely and it will be hard for them to give themselves more than 3 sessions to bowl them out. I think the title race is very much alive.
Ask me again at 11.30. Woakes with a new ball and an early start will be tough. If they are still 5 or 6 down after an hour then it will get interesting |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 23, 2021 8:46:55 GMT
Am I the only one who think Somerset's in quite a good position in this game?
I got texts from 3 people yesterday saying things along the lines of 'it's over, Warwickshire have won it' etc. I don't agree. From what I can see they're playing with small boundaries at Edgbaston to maximise batting points. Every chance here that Somerset a)rob Warwcks of maximum bowling points and b)get a 1st innings lead. Either way, Warwcks won't be batting till well into Day 3 most likely and it will be hard for them to give themselves more than 3 sessions to bowl them out. I think the title race is very much alive.
I guess that was part of the point I was making about it being a more reliable Somerset team. I agree. The Somerset Xl this match is much more familiar, a better balance. I feared a collapse yesterday after bowling Warwickshire out, something like 25-2 after an hour but it didn’t happen. Not much at this stage between the teams. I think Warwickshire securing 4 batting points with Briggs’ explosion in that one off Brooks’ over has swayed the impression of the match. Had it happened to help Warwickshire get over 400 I might agree but it didn’t and Somerset are still well in this match. But Ive also seen Somerset bat so often this season and collapse so I won’t tempt fate. Just say this first session may be the most important of the match. If Warwickshire can do the same as Overton did yesterday they’ll win. If Somerset can get over 300 it becomes a very tight and exciting match. Edit: you just beat me to it jack! Same thought about the next session. |
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Post by jackthegas on Sept 23, 2021 9:48:51 GMT
Am I the only one who think Somerset's in quite a good position in this game?
I got texts from 3 people yesterday saying things along the lines of 'it's over, Warwickshire have won it' etc. I don't agree. From what I can see they're playing with small boundaries at Edgbaston to maximise batting points. Every chance here that Somerset a)rob Warwcks of maximum bowling points and b)get a 1st innings lead. Either way, Warwcks won't be batting till well into Day 3 most likely and it will be hard for them to give themselves more than 3 sessions to bowl them out. I think the title race is very much alive.
I guess that was part of the point I was making about it being a more reliable Somerset team. I agree. The Somerset Xl this match is much more familiar, a better balance. I feared a collapse yesterday after bowling Warwickshire out, something like 25-2 after an hour but it didn’t happen. Not much at this stage between the teams. I think Warwickshire securing 4 batting points with Briggs’ explosion in that one off Brooks’ over has swayed the impression of the match. Had it happened to help Warwickshire get over 400 I might agree but it didn’t and Somerset are still well in this match. But Ive also seen Somerset bat so often this season and collapse so I won’t tempt fate. Just say this first session may be the most important of the match. If Warwickshire can do the same as Overton did yesterday they’ll win. If Somerset can get over 300 it becomes a very tight and exciting match. Edit: you just beat me to it jack! Same thought about the next session. Not an ideal start. This is going to be tough as there has been a bit of rain around in the hour before the start and there's still a bit of cloud around |
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 23, 2021 10:51:52 GMT
I guess that was part of the point I was making about it being a more reliable Somerset team. I agree. The Somerset Xl this match is much more familiar, a better balance. I feared a collapse yesterday after bowling Warwickshire out, something like 25-2 after an hour but it didn’t happen. Not much at this stage between the teams. I think Warwickshire securing 4 batting points with Briggs’ explosion in that one off Brooks’ over has swayed the impression of the match. Had it happened to help Warwickshire get over 400 I might agree but it didn’t and Somerset are still well in this match. But Ive also seen Somerset bat so often this season and collapse so I won’t tempt fate. Just say this first session may be the most important of the match. If Warwickshire can do the same as Overton did yesterday they’ll win. If Somerset can get over 300 it becomes a very tight and exciting match. Edit: you just beat me to it jack! Same thought about the next session. Not an ideal start. This is going to be tough as there has been a bit of rain around in the hour before the start and there's still a bit of cloud around Wark's have another 15 overs to get another 3 wickets to achieve max bowling points, but as things stand i can see this going to a draw if Somerset bat into the afternoon session ansd have a minor lead or even small deficit, IMO the winners are are currently in Lancashire , though currently off for bad light there, a weather window in either area is not looking good for two "fair weather" finishes |
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Post by irishrover on Sept 23, 2021 11:04:45 GMT
Not an ideal start. This is going to be tough as there has been a bit of rain around in the hour before the start and there's still a bit of cloud around Wark's have another 15 overs to get another 3 wickets to achieve max bowling points, but as things stand i can see this going to a draw if Somerset bat into the afternoon session ansd have a minor lead or even small deficit, IMO the winners are are currently in Lancashire , though currently off for bad light there, a weather window in either area is not looking good for two "fair weather" finishes Maybe but for Lancs to win they'd have to get the highest score of the game in the 4th innings of a match where the ball has hooped round corners constantly. I think Hampshire have a decent edge in that one - someone is likely going to have to play a blinder for Lancs to win it.
Somerset currently frustrating Warwcks who now really need Woakes to pull a point out of the bag with the ball in the last 10 'bonus points overs' in the same way Briggs did yesterday. Always enjoy watching Leach bat - like a modern poor man's Jack Russell! Enthralling stuff all round - really hope the weather doesn't ruin it.
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Post by jackthegas on Sept 23, 2021 11:05:25 GMT
Not an ideal start. This is going to be tough as there has been a bit of rain around in the hour before the start and there's still a bit of cloud around Wark's have another 15 overs to get another 3 wickets to achieve max bowling points, but as things stand i can see this going to a draw if Somerset bat into the afternoon session ansd have a minor lead or even small deficit, IMO the winners are are currently in Lancashire , though currently off for bad light there, a weather window in either area is not looking good for two "fair weather" finishes Somerset have done well to avoid losing wickets in pairs. The ball beat the bat a lot this morning, but I would say it currently looks flatter than it has done at any stage of the match. I think it's 9 wickets for the third bonus point, so two to get in 10 overs. I guess Warwickshire will worry about winning the match there after. I'm not sure I can see where the next breakthrough is coming from at the moment though. |
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Post by jackthegas on Sept 23, 2021 11:32:09 GMT
Woakes with the 8th on the cusp of lunch. Cracking spell. Nervy lunch for the home side though with 22 balls left to get the 9th wicket
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 23, 2021 12:36:43 GMT
Simple equation now. Hampshire win, they are champions. Both Lancashire and Warwickshire can win. Lancashire look as though they’re making a good attempt at the highest innings of the match and a win will make it an interesting day tomorrow.
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Post by jackthegas on Sept 23, 2021 12:53:39 GMT
Simple equation now. Hampshire win, they are champions. Both Lancashire and Warwickshire can win. Lancashire look as though they’re making a good attempt at the highest innings of the match and a win will make it an interesting day tomorrow. I think the pitch here is dying. Warwickshire will have to set a relatively low total. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Somerset win this one. They've been so impressive. With nothing to play for and having had a disastrous month I thought they'd struggle to get up for this one, but they've fought so hard. Perhaps the way Somerset were shafted a few years ago has made them determined to play their part. I hear what you're saying about having overton and Gregory back to boost the lower order, but it's top order runs that have made the real difference in my view. That partnership from Azhar Ali and Lamanby has set up the innings and stopped Warwickshire getting on a role. I don't think Somerset would have come back from 30-3. |
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 23, 2021 13:07:51 GMT
Simple equation now. Hampshire win, they are champions. Both Lancashire and Warwickshire can win. Lancashire look as though they’re making a good attempt at the highest innings of the match and a win will make it an interesting day tomorrow. I think the pitch here is dying. Warwickshire will have to set a relatively low total. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Somerset win this one. They've been so impressive. With nothing to play for and having had a disastrous month I thought they'd struggle to get up for this one, but they've fought so hard. Perhaps the way Somerset were shafted a few years ago has made them determined to play their part. I hear what you're saying about having overton and Gregory back to boost the lower order, but it's top order runs that have made the real difference in my view. That partnership from Azhar Ali and Lamanby has set up the innings and stopped Warwickshire getting on a role. I don't think Somerset would have come back from 30-3. your"shafted" comment came to mind as 110 over came up....was it Middlesex and Yorkshire did the"old boys" act when Somerset were well placed to win the title? |
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Post by irishrover on Sept 23, 2021 13:45:51 GMT
LIS may have been right - beginning to tip Lancs way at Liverpool now although every time anyone has looked like taking control it's immediately swung back the other way but right now you'd make Lancs slight favourites for first time at 85-2.
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 23, 2021 14:31:39 GMT
So Somerset's last wicket brings tea with Warks' now needing to "go for it" in some sort of whizz bang mode in an effort to create themselves a favourable chance to create a win, And at Lancs a 3rd wicket also brings tea, to get Hampshire "up" again..... a "mere 78" for Lancs to win, some more manicures required for each set of backroom crews yet!!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 23, 2021 15:38:20 GMT
I think the pitch here is dying. Warwickshire will have to set a relatively low total. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Somerset win this one. They've been so impressive. With nothing to play for and having had a disastrous month I thought they'd struggle to get up for this one, but they've fought so hard. Perhaps the way Somerset were shafted a few years ago has made them determined to play their part. I hear what you're saying about having overton and Gregory back to boost the lower order, but it's top order runs that have made the real difference in my view. That partnership from Azhar Ali and Lamanby has set up the innings and stopped Warwickshire getting on a role. I don't think Somerset would have come back from 30-3. your"shafted" comment came to mind as 110 over came up....was it Middlesex and Yorkshire did the"old boys" act when Somerset were well placed to win the title? It was. The agreement between Middlesex and Yorkshire effectively meant Somerset could not win it despite being top at the start of the last day in 2016. But the worst one was in 2010 when we were going to win it after rain affected matches meant they were all draws. But somehow Lancashire and Nottinghamshire came out at about 4.45 and played some overs, in the first innings. At 5.00 Nottinghamshire needed 3 wickets to get an extra bonus point and from 5.05 to 5.15 Lancashire lost the 3 wickets and Nottinghamshire got the extra point to make both Nottinghamshire and Somerset equal on 214 points. On countback Nottinghamshire won the Championship. Tres said he never really recovered as captain from that. Spineless Lancashire that day. I hope they don’t expect Somerset to bust a gut for them tomorrow!! But we probably will to get some pride. |
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Post by jackthegas on Sept 23, 2021 15:51:42 GMT
your"shafted" comment came to mind as 110 over came up....was it Middlesex and Yorkshire did the"old boys" act when Somerset were well placed to win the title? It was. The agreement between Middlesex and Yorkshire effectively meant Somerset could not win it despite being top at the start of the last day in 2016. But the worst one was in 2010 when we were going to win it after rain affected matches meant they were all draws. But somehow Lancashire and Nottinghamshire came out at about 4.45 and played some overs, in the first innings. At 5.00 Nottinghamshire needed 3 wickets to get an extra bonus point and from 5.05 to 5.15 Lancashire lost the 3 wickets and Nottinghamshire got the extra point to make both Nottinghamshire and Somerset equal on 214 points. On countback Nottinghamshire won the Championship. Tres said he never really recovered as captain from that. Spineless Lancashire that day. I hope they don’t expect Somerset to bust a gut for them tomorrow!! But we probably will to get some pride. I would absolutely not blame Somerset for rolling over in this game, and I'm still not ruling out Warwickshire getting on a roll tomorrow, but Somerset have absolutely done their bit over the last few days. I would say that most other counties would have folded yesterday given everything that's happened to them over the last 6 weeks plus all of that history. Speaks volumes for the way Tom Abel leads his team. Any suggestion of problems behind the scenes leading to a capitulation can be put to bed now I think. |
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 23, 2021 16:29:39 GMT
well Lancs got home by the skin of their teeth!! Warks' need to be a bit more expansive i think to give themselves a chance [says he from a rolling keyboard
Upped their rate now to just under 5, could be interesting tomorrow if it's a start on time,
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Post by irishrover on Sept 23, 2021 19:11:17 GMT
well Lancs got home by the skin of their teeth!! Warks' need to be a bit more expansive i think to give themselves a chance [says he from a rolling keyboard Upped their rate now to just under 5, could be interesting tomorrow if it's a start on time, What an amazing finish that was - gutted I wasn't able to be there today. I was originally planning to. Shows how pressure scrambles brains! I hope for similar excitement at Edgebaston tomorrow. |
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