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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 16:54:56 GMT
The blind faith brigade are under pressure and turning things personal. What would be better, and certainly more beneficial to those of us who support Rovers, would be if they could put forward reasoned arguments explaining Wael’s latest strategy. My involvement at Rovers coincided almost exactly with Gerry Francis first spell as manager. I watched my first game at Eastville in 1963 and could find many anecdotes to tell about my life’s adventures and their relevance to Rovers but I’m not sure now is the time. So you would have been involved in the appointment of Dobson then presumably.
Would be interested in what the plan was there That year we finished mid table in the championship, hammered City at the Gate, drew with Liverpool and only didn’t beat them due to a referee who would have made B***** explode, all while playing at a non league ground with one stand which 💩 heads decided to burn down. Come on Swiss, what was the plan?
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Post by swissgas on Mar 28, 2021 17:12:44 GMT
The blind faith brigade are under pressure and turning things personal. What would be better, and certainly more beneficial to those of us who support Rovers, would be if they could put forward reasoned arguments explaining Wael’s latest strategy. My involvement at Rovers coincided almost exactly with Gerry Francis first spell as manager. I watched my first game at Eastville in 1963 and could find many anecdotes to tell about my life’s adventures and their relevance to Rovers but I’m not sure now is the time. So you would have been involved in the appointment of Dobson then presumably.
Would be interested in what the plan was there I left before Gerry so had no involvement in the Dobson appointment. It’s a good attempt at distraction though In the video which Pop has posted we see the board members at the time including Vernon Stokes whose part in our success has been vastly underestimated. Of course Pop is right that Geoff usually had the final say but there was always strong debate around the boardroom table from people who were able to speak without fear. I can remember Vernon arriving at meetings clutching files and sheaths of papers to be circulated. His presentations were well researched, he assembled the necessary facts and figures and if questioned he would scrabble around in his files and nearly always come up with the right answer. We all worked in this way and often I brought the commercial manager Tony Wood to meetings to reinforce my proposals. The accountant Jack England was very conservative in outlook and he needed a lot of persuading if anything involved cash expenditure so I soon learned to be careful not to use the term “speculate to accumulate when he was present. I’m not trying to present too rosy a picture because obviously there were disagreements and mistakes made at that time. But if you want to understand how a club renting a ground and training at a chocolate factory managed to take on and beat competitors who were financially much stronger than us then at least consider what I am saying. I agree that times have changed, and the paper shuffling days may be gone, but the principle of genuine competent people working hard and putting their heart and soul into a venture remains as true today as it did in 1990.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 17:24:41 GMT
So you would have been involved in the appointment of Dobson then presumably.
Would be interested in what the plan was there I left before Gerry so had no involvement in the Dobson appointment. It’s a good attempt at distraction though In the video which Pop has posted we see the board members at the time including Vernon Stokes whose part in our success has been vastly underestimated. Of course Pop is right that Geoff usually had the final say but there was always strong debate around the boardroom table from people who were able to speak without fear. I can remember Vernon arriving at meetings clutching files and sheaths of papers to be circulated. His presentations were well researched, he assembled the necessary facts and figures and if questioned he would scrabble around in his files and nearly always come up with the right answer. We all worked in this way and often I brought the commercial manager Tony Wood to meetings to reinforce my proposals. The accountant Jack England was very conservative in outlook and he needed a lot of persuading if anything involved cash expenditure so I soon learned to be careful not to use the term “speculate to accumulate when he was present. I’m not trying to present too rosy a picture because obviously there were disagreements and mistakes made at that time. But if you want to understand how a club renting a ground and training at a chocolate factory managed to take on and beat competitors who were financially much stronger than us then at least consider what I am saying. I agree that times have changed, and the paper shuffling days may be gone, but the principle of genuine competent people working hard and putting their heart and soul into a venture remains as true today as it did in 1990. That was my Rovers and what a great place it was to be. I was as proud to be a Gashead then as I’m ashamed to be one now. Joeys Barmy Army brigade have the Rovers they want now, and fair play to them for that, but to try to rewrite history that the Twerton era was anything like this is quite frankly utter brainwashed Bartonesque bollocks
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 17:33:37 GMT
I left before Gerry so had no involvement in the Dobson appointment. It’s a good attempt at distraction though In the video which Pop has posted we see the board members at the time including Vernon Stokes whose part in our success has been vastly underestimated. Of course Pop is right that Geoff usually had the final say but there was always strong debate around the boardroom table from people who were able to speak without fear. I can remember Vernon arriving at meetings clutching files and sheaths of papers to be circulated. His presentations were well researched, he assembled the necessary facts and figures and if questioned he would scrabble around in his files and nearly always come up with the right answer. We all worked in this way and often I brought the commercial manager Tony Wood to meetings to reinforce my proposals. The accountant Jack England was very conservative in outlook and he needed a lot of persuading if anything involved cash expenditure so I soon learned to be careful not to use the term “speculate to accumulate when he was present. I’m not trying to present too rosy a picture because obviously there were disagreements and mistakes made at that time. But if you want to understand how a club renting a ground and training at a chocolate factory managed to take on and beat competitors who were financially much stronger than us then at least consider what I am saying. I agree that times have changed, and the paper shuffling days may be gone, but the principle of genuine competent people working hard and putting their heart and soul into a venture remains as true today as it did in 1990. That was my Rovers and what a great place it was to be. I was as proud to be a Gashead then as I’m ashamed to be one now. Joeys Barmy Army brigade have the Rovers they want now, and fair play to them for that, but to try to rewrite history that the Twerton era was anything like this is quite frankly utter brainwashed Bartonesque bollocks I do wonder whether previous chairmen would have had the stones to give B***** a swerve. I’d like to think they would, but then when there is your own money invested it’s hard to ignore the course of action that might best protect it no matter how much you might have to hold your nose.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 17:35:42 GMT
So you would have been involved in the appointment of Dobson then presumably.
Would be interested in what the plan was there I left before Gerry so had no involvement in the Dobson appointment. It’s a good attempt at distraction though In the video which Pop has posted we see the board members at the time including Vernon Stokes whose part in our success has been vastly underestimated. Of course Pop is right that Geoff usually had the final say but there was always strong debate around the boardroom table from people who were able to speak without fear. I can remember Vernon arriving at meetings clutching files and sheaths of papers to be circulated. His presentations were well researched, he assembled the necessary facts and figures and if questioned he would scrabble around in his files and nearly always come up with the right answer. We all worked in this way and often I brought the commercial manager Tony Wood to meetings to reinforce my proposals. The accountant Jack England was very conservative in outlook and he needed a lot of persuading if anything involved cash expenditure so I soon learned to be careful not to use the term “speculate to accumulate when he was present. I’m not trying to present too rosy a picture because obviously there were disagreements and mistakes made at that time. But if you want to understand how a club renting a ground and training at a chocolate factory managed to take on and beat competitors who were financially much stronger than us then at least consider what I am saying. I agree that times have changed, and the paper shuffling days may be gone, but the principle of genuine competent people working hard and putting their heart and soul into a venture remains as true today as it did in 1990.
It was well known Gerry was going to leave, was on the cards for a long time so I'm sure there would have been a plan to replace him. It was a recurring possibility for a couple of years. I recall Gerry nearly left twice previously, especially after the play off season and again after promotion.
As someone who doesnt hold back asking where Wael's plan is and stating how vital it is to have such a plan I'm sure you would have done exactly the same within the boardroom Swiss, given the above. I just can't believe otherwise.
I have no doubt sure you would made sure that happenned, given the importance to the club.
So - what was the plan to replace Gerry Swiss, before the disasterous appointment of Dobson?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 17:38:27 GMT
I left before Gerry so had no involvement in the Dobson appointment. It’s a good attempt at distraction though In the video which Pop has posted we see the board members at the time including Vernon Stokes whose part in our success has been vastly underestimated. Of course Pop is right that Geoff usually had the final say but there was always strong debate around the boardroom table from people who were able to speak without fear. I can remember Vernon arriving at meetings clutching files and sheaths of papers to be circulated. His presentations were well researched, he assembled the necessary facts and figures and if questioned he would scrabble around in his files and nearly always come up with the right answer. We all worked in this way and often I brought the commercial manager Tony Wood to meetings to reinforce my proposals. The accountant Jack England was very conservative in outlook and he needed a lot of persuading if anything involved cash expenditure so I soon learned to be careful not to use the term “speculate to accumulate when he was present. I’m not trying to present too rosy a picture because obviously there were disagreements and mistakes made at that time. But if you want to understand how a club renting a ground and training at a chocolate factory managed to take on and beat competitors who were financially much stronger than us then at least consider what I am saying. I agree that times have changed, and the paper shuffling days may be gone, but the principle of genuine competent people working hard and putting their heart and soul into a venture remains as true today as it did in 1990. That was my Rovers and what a great place it was to be. I was as proud to be a Gashead then as I’m ashamed to be one now. Joeys Barmy Army brigade have the Rovers they want now, and fair play to them for that, but to try to rewrite history that the Twerton era was anything like this is quite frankly utter brainwashed Bartonesque bollocks I think you misunderstand the meaning behind of some of the posts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 17:47:26 GMT
That was my Rovers and what a great place it was to be. I was as proud to be a Gashead then as I’m ashamed to be one now. Joeys Barmy Army brigade have the Rovers they want now, and fair play to them for that, but to try to rewrite history that the Twerton era was anything like this is quite frankly utter brainwashed Bartonesque bollocks I think you misunderstand the meaning behind of some of the posts
What have I misunderstood?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 17:47:49 GMT
I left before Gerry so had no involvement in the Dobson appointment. It’s a good attempt at distraction though In the video which Pop has posted we see the board members at the time including Vernon Stokes whose part in our success has been vastly underestimated. Of course Pop is right that Geoff usually had the final say but there was always strong debate around the boardroom table from people who were able to speak without fear. I can remember Vernon arriving at meetings clutching files and sheaths of papers to be circulated. His presentations were well researched, he assembled the necessary facts and figures and if questioned he would scrabble around in his files and nearly always come up with the right answer. We all worked in this way and often I brought the commercial manager Tony Wood to meetings to reinforce my proposals. The accountant Jack England was very conservative in outlook and he needed a lot of persuading if anything involved cash expenditure so I soon learned to be careful not to use the term “speculate to accumulate when he was present. I’m not trying to present too rosy a picture because obviously there were disagreements and mistakes made at that time. But if you want to understand how a club renting a ground and training at a chocolate factory managed to take on and beat competitors who were financially much stronger than us then at least consider what I am saying. I agree that times have changed, and the paper shuffling days may be gone, but the principle of genuine competent people working hard and putting their heart and soul into a venture remains as true today as it did in 1990.
It was well known Gerry was going to leave, was on the cards for a long time so I'm sure there would have been a plan to replace him. It was a recurring possibility for a couple of years. I recall Gerry nearly left twice previously, especially after the play off season and again after promotion.
As someone who doesnt hold back asking where Wael's plan is and stating how vital it is to have such a plan I'm sure you would have done exactly the same within the boardroom Swiss, given the above. I just can't believe otherwise.
I have no doubt sure you would made sure that happenned, given the importance to the club.
So - what was the plan to replace Gerry Swiss, before the disasterous appointment of Dobson?
Martin O’Neill?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 18:01:39 GMT
That was my Rovers and what a great place it was to be. I was as proud to be a Gashead then as I’m ashamed to be one now. Joeys Barmy Army brigade have the Rovers they want now, and fair play to them for that, but to try to rewrite history that the Twerton era was anything like this is quite frankly utter brainwashed Bartonesque bollocks I think you misunderstand the meaning behind of some of the posts
OK, so what are you trying to say? It sounds like you are trying to rubbish 'The Twerton Years'? We arrived broke and homeless and in freefall and left in a much better place is how I remember it. Right now Wael's record looks rather different to that in my opinion, but why not make direct comparisons and let's see how management during those years compares to what we've witnessed in the last 5?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 18:06:11 GMT
I left before Gerry so had no involvement in the Dobson appointment. It’s a good attempt at distraction though In the video which Pop has posted we see the board members at the time including Vernon Stokes whose part in our success has been vastly underestimated. Of course Pop is right that Geoff usually had the final say but there was always strong debate around the boardroom table from people who were able to speak without fear. I can remember Vernon arriving at meetings clutching files and sheaths of papers to be circulated. His presentations were well researched, he assembled the necessary facts and figures and if questioned he would scrabble around in his files and nearly always come up with the right answer. We all worked in this way and often I brought the commercial manager Tony Wood to meetings to reinforce my proposals. The accountant Jack England was very conservative in outlook and he needed a lot of persuading if anything involved cash expenditure so I soon learned to be careful not to use the term “speculate to accumulate when he was present. I’m not trying to present too rosy a picture because obviously there were disagreements and mistakes made at that time. But if you want to understand how a club renting a ground and training at a chocolate factory managed to take on and beat competitors who were financially much stronger than us then at least consider what I am saying. I agree that times have changed, and the paper shuffling days may be gone, but the principle of genuine competent people working hard and putting their heart and soul into a venture remains as true today as it did in 1990.
It was well known Gerry was going to leave, was on the cards for a long time so I'm sure there would have been a plan to replace him. It was a recurring possibility for a couple of years. I recall Gerry nearly left twice previously, especially after the play off season and again after promotion.
As someone who doesnt hold back asking where Wael's plan is and stating how vital it is to have such a plan I'm sure you would have done exactly the same within the boardroom Swiss, given the above. I just can't believe otherwise.
I have no doubt sure you would made sure that happenned, given the importance to the club.
So - what was the plan to replace Gerry Swiss, before the disasterous appointment of Dobson?
Isn't that well recorded? Martin O'Niell was lined up but he turned us down to stay with non league Wycombe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 18:20:44 GMT
I think you misunderstand the meaning behind of some of the posts
OK, so what are you trying to say? It sounds like you are trying to rubbish 'The Twerton Years'? We arrived broke and homeless and in freefall and left in a much better place is how I remember it. Right now Wael's record looks rather different to that in my opinion, but why not make direct comparisons and let's see how management during those years compares to what we've witnessed in the last 5? Agreed Duke. The Twerton years were arguably the most successful decade in the clubs history and its hard to criticise the success following having to leave Eastville with the debts to HMRC hanging around the clubs neck. GD was advised to let the club fold, thank goodness he didn't listen.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 28, 2021 18:21:28 GMT
I left before Gerry so had no involvement in the Dobson appointment. It’s a good attempt at distraction though In the video which Pop has posted we see the board members at the time including Vernon Stokes whose part in our success has been vastly underestimated. Of course Pop is right that Geoff usually had the final say but there was always strong debate around the boardroom table from people who were able to speak without fear. I can remember Vernon arriving at meetings clutching files and sheaths of papers to be circulated. His presentations were well researched, he assembled the necessary facts and figures and if questioned he would scrabble around in his files and nearly always come up with the right answer. We all worked in this way and often I brought the commercial manager Tony Wood to meetings to reinforce my proposals. The accountant Jack England was very conservative in outlook and he needed a lot of persuading if anything involved cash expenditure so I soon learned to be careful not to use the term “speculate to accumulate when he was present. I’m not trying to present too rosy a picture because obviously there were disagreements and mistakes made at that time. But if you want to understand how a club renting a ground and training at a chocolate factory managed to take on and beat competitors who were financially much stronger than us then at least consider what I am saying. I agree that times have changed, and the paper shuffling days may be gone, but the principle of genuine competent people working hard and putting their heart and soul into a venture remains as true today as it did in 1990.
It was well known Gerry was going to leave, was on the cards for a long time so I'm sure there would have been a plan to replace him. It was a recurring possibility for a couple of years. I recall Gerry nearly left twice previously, especially after the play off season and again after promotion.
As someone who doesnt hold back asking where Wael's plan is and stating how vital it is to have such a plan I'm sure you would have done exactly the same within the boardroom Swiss, given the above. I just can't believe otherwise.
I have no doubt sure you would made sure that happenned, given the importance to the club.
So - what was the plan to replace Gerry Swiss, before the disasterous appointment of Dobson?
I could reply, as you did when we were discussing the training ground a few weeks ago, with “I don’t want to say any more because you’ll only come back with negativity” But the frank answer is that I wasn’t involved in any discussion of Gerrys replacement and at the board meetings I attended he was usually present. What is interesting though is that even back in those days Rovers made an approach to Martin Dobson as they had done to Martin O’Neill. They didn’t fire a manager and then wait till (according to Martyn Starnes ) “Wael got word that Joey would be interested in our job”
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Post by vaughan on Mar 28, 2021 18:22:39 GMT
I see Epping Gas flexing his muscles. Was that a threat to chuck me off here, as Contradiction and I have had the audacity to question the views on here?
Who is showing their true colours? At least I am using my own name, unlike some who still refuse to indentify themselves, even though they purport to speak with great authority.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 18:28:56 GMT
I think you misunderstand the meaning behind of some of the posts
OK, so what are you trying to say? It sounds like you are trying to rubbish 'The Twerton Years'? We arrived broke and homeless and in freefall and left in a much better place is how I remember it. Right now Wael's record looks rather different to that in my opinion, but why not make direct comparisons and let's see how management during those years compares to what we've witnessed in the last 5? The last thing I would do would be to rubbish the Tweron years I can assure you. Some golden years in there.
Swiss and others use the managerial situation to have yet another dig at WAQ, moan moan/ dig dig /should do this/ should do that/ I know best/ Boo Hiss/ I know everything blah blah blah. All bluster with no substance.
But the reality is when it comes to appointing managers its a minefield. Swiss will say WAQ/Starnes/whoever 'doesnt work hard enough' blah blah blah (no evidence at all) forgetting that GD as well as appointing Gerry, Ollie, and Ward appointed Dobson, Alison, Atkins, Graydon. Am I having a pop at GD - absolutely not. You can do all the Due Diligence in the world, sometimes it doesn't work out. As others have shown.
Even Swiss' wonderful world of Tweron where everthing was wonderful resulted in a disasterous few appointments. (What was the plan/strategy again Swiss? Funnily enough, it proves that its not quite so simple as all the moaning seems to make it out to be doesn't it. But then you had left by then Swiss, convenient LOL)
Once the manager is in place, bloody support him. Some people cant seem to have a coherent view of B*****, his previous dictates they will slag off his performance come what may. He will never be able to succeed. Probably best to button it in that case, (but not many people are listening to be frank)
I will judge B***** on what he does at the club and nothing else, and I think he will do a decent job i think. I suggest others should do the same
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 18:29:33 GMT
I see Epping Gas flexing his muscles. Was that a threat to chuck me off here, as Contradiction and I have had the audacity to question the views on here? Who is showing their true colours? At least I am using my own name, unlike some who still refuse to indentify themselves, even though they purport to speak with great authority. Not sure that all the posts are questioning views as some have definitely been attacking the poster which is a forum no, no. Swissgas has been quite open with his identity and that's up to him but it has left him open to personal attack from others not so open with their identity. Lets get back to debating the current as none of us can change the past but we can correct people if they are wrong if we have the knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 18:35:11 GMT
It was well known Gerry was going to leave, was on the cards for a long time so I'm sure there would have been a plan to replace him. It was a recurring possibility for a couple of years. I recall Gerry nearly left twice previously, especially after the play off season and again after promotion.
As someone who doesnt hold back asking where Wael's plan is and stating how vital it is to have such a plan I'm sure you would have done exactly the same within the boardroom Swiss, given the above. I just can't believe otherwise.
I have no doubt sure you would made sure that happenned, given the importance to the club.
So - what was the plan to replace Gerry Swiss, before the disasterous appointment of Dobson?
I could reply, as you did when we were discussing the training ground a few weeks ago, with “I don’t want to say any more because you’ll only come back with negativity” But the frank answer is that I wasn’t involved in any discussion of Gerrys replacement and at the board meetings I attended he was usually present. What is interesting though is that even back in those days Rovers made an approach to Martin Dobson as they had done to Martin O’Neill. They didn’t fire a manager and then wait till (according to Martyn Starnes ) “Wael got word that Joey would be interested in our job”
If I recall correctly Gerry left in May and Dobson didnt join until well into July, and we were right behind the 8 ball from Day 1. Someone with too much time on their hands will no doubt confirm. Maybe a flawed plan eh.
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Post by vaughan on Mar 28, 2021 18:44:36 GMT
Swissgas is big enough to stick up for himself. Next, you will be arguing that he is being bullied or victimised.
I love the logic that you can attack the Owner and Manager of the Club ad infinitum, but not call out the poster who is doing it.
Did you note that Lee Johnson called Wael "a fantastic man" on Friday and praised B*****. But Lickle Lee is a sh*t head and Swiss is a Gasheads.org favourite?
#boohiss
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Post by basel on Mar 28, 2021 18:47:51 GMT
I see Epping Gas flexing his muscles. Was that a threat to chuck me off here, as Contradiction and I have had the audacity to question the views on here? Who is showing their true colours? At least I am using my own name, unlike some who still refuse to indentify themselves, even though they purport to speak with great authority. The forum has plenty of differing points of view.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 28, 2021 18:50:30 GMT
The attacks are getting a bit incoherent and I’m wondering which particular one of my recent posts has touched a nerve ?
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 28, 2021 18:56:26 GMT
I see Epping Gas flexing his muscles. Was that a threat to chuck me off here, as Contradiction and I have had the audacity to question the views on here? I read it as a behaviour warning for being rude with 'who the hell is swiss?' or similar
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