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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 14:15:56 GMT
Owner...capitalisation of debt...support through Pandemic...free of DS...refused to rise to the Masters / SC nonsense Does that count for nothing? Biggest mistake was Garner and some kind of DNA / model. With hindsight, that has set us back 2-3 seasons. So pros and cons. Deep down, somw of you will never like him as you have no influence and that's what grates, gnawing away.. I'm in the I support Wael group. Like Gasandproud who has had personal dealings with Wael, I think he has been badly let down by those he employed to support him and look after his investment. I hope for his sake that he is strong enough to put that right soon and for the sake of the football club. I have disagreed with his last three managerial appointments though. The appointment of B***** feels like a new low for Wael. The point where he went from being a well meaning incompetent buffoon to something far more dangerous. Very very few chairmen would touch B***** right now and yet Wael, that genial character who you would think would not want the adverse publicity, was all over it and even promoted the hell out of him as if sticking two fingers up to the society that rejects B***** for his violence. That was pretty dark, as football ownership goes. He’s willing to go to places others fear to tread in pursuit of success and, true to form, he can’t even do that without making a ****ing mess of it. What must he be thinking seeing B***** take the club into the relegation zone? “I’ve ****ed it up. Again.” most likely. He is to football club ownership what long john silver is to tap dancing.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 27, 2021 17:26:24 GMT
I'm in the I support Wael group. Like Gasandproud who has had personal dealings with Wael, I think he has been badly let down by those he employed to support him and look after his investment. I hope for his sake that he is strong enough to put that right soon and for the sake of the football club. I have disagreed with his last three managerial appointments though. The appointment of B***** feels like a new low for Wael. The point where he went from being a well meaning incompetent buffoon to something far more dangerous. Very very few chairmen would touch B***** right now and yet Wael, that genial character who you would think would not want the adverse publicity, was all over it and even promoted the hell out of him as if sticking two fingers up to the society that rejects B***** for his violence. That was pretty dark, as football ownership goes. He’s willing to go to places others fear to tread in pursuit of success and, true to form, he can’t even do that without making a ****ing mess of it. What must he be thinking seeing B***** take the club into the relegation zone? “I’ve ****ed it up. Again.” most likely. He is to football club ownership what long john silver is to tap dancing. Nail on the head. I don’t hate not even dislike him but he is absolutely dreadful in decision making and in wasting money. We have undone 5 years of hard graft to get our team and pride back, he has peed that away and lord knows what next. It’s nothing to do with liking him or not but the team performance, not producing on a stadium and trebling debt.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 27, 2021 23:04:10 GMT
I await another conspiracy theory from Swiss Gas on how this is all a plot for someone from B*****'s murky past to seek influence to leverage control over Wael, forcing the inevitable sale of the Mem. Picture the locked Mem gates, which with his insight (😂😂😂), he confidently predicted before the capitalisation of debt. So many of you are so cynical about this Club and even its owner, that you can not even recognise facts. He even undermined the building of the training ground. Flawed logic yet again. If Wael would only listen to me...as I understand business. Wael has a Harvard MBA, but he needs to listen to me..... I can throw around words like sustainability, cash flow, etc. The reality reflects what is bugging Masters and so many on here. Wael is in complete control and there is SWEET FA that any of you can do about it, apart from threaten to walk away..but seemingly not from this Forum. 😂😂 To compund your misery, he has decided to join up with Bad Boy B*****. OMG 😤 #boohiss Calm down Vaughan it’s only a commercial disaster. What happened to your theory that Wael wouldn’t do anything to harm Rovers for fear of “reputational damage” ? How is his reputation looking now ? I think the comments made by the Gillingham owner are the tip of an iceberg when it comes to Rovers standing in the football community. It is true that I may have turned down Harvard and gone to South Bristol Technical College instead. But don’t blame me if a sinkhole appears in the state of the art top class training facility at Almondsbury or if the poor souls who think Rovers are debt free ever discover we owe twice as much as we did in 2016 but someone at head office has forgotten to capitalize it. If Wael is in complete control why is he relying on JB to tell us about the great reset ? The last time he had a vision he penned a really good letter to fans and many of us were genuinely happy to compliment him on it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:15:22 GMT
I await another conspiracy theory from Swiss Gas on how this is all a plot for someone from B*****'s murky past to seek influence to leverage control over Wael, forcing the inevitable sale of the Mem. Picture the locked Mem gates, which with his insight (😂😂😂), he confidently predicted before the capitalisation of debt. So many of you are so cynical about this Club and even its owner, that you can not even recognise facts. He even undermined the building of the training ground. Flawed logic yet again. If Wael would only listen to me...as I understand business. Wael has a Harvard MBA, but he needs to listen to me..... I can throw around words like sustainability, cash flow, etc. The reality reflects what is bugging Masters and so many on here. Wael is in complete control and there is SWEET FA that any of you can do about it, apart from threaten to walk away..but seemingly not from this Forum. 😂😂 To compund your misery, he has decided to join up with Bad Boy B*****. OMG 😤 #boohiss Calm down Vaughan it’s only a commercial disaster. What happened to your theory that Wael wouldn’t do anything to harm Rovers for fear of “reputational damage” ? How is his reputation looking now ? I think the comments made by the Gillingham owner are the tip of an iceberg when it comes to Rovers standing in the football community. It is true that I may have turned down Harvard and gone to South Bristol Technical College instead. But don’t blame me if a sinkhole appears in the state of the art top class training facility at Almondsbury or if the poor souls who think Rovers are debt free ever discover we owe twice as much as we did in 2016 but someone at head office has forgotten to capitalize it. If Wael is in complete control why is he relying on JB to tell us about the great reset ? The last time he had a vision he penned a really good letter to fans and many of us were genuinely happy to compliment him on it. Talking of "Reputational damage" can you recall the board appointing Martin Dobson in July and sacking him in October Swiss, following his dismantling of what Gerry had built? What a terrific managerial appointment Dobson was. Then the Dennis Rofe saga, where Malcolm Alison was brought in as "consultant" to the manager. Only for Rofe to leave in protest a matter of days later. Bit of a laughing stock wasnt it, and Big Mal was all over the papers whilst everyone laughed at us. 2 years of managerial madness. You can probably still track down a "Dennis was stabbed in the back" Tee shirt on E Bay. The fans were pretty unhappy weren't they, I can remember the demos in the Twerton car park after a Tuesday night match. We suffered a relegation that season I recall. Of course, you were apparently on the board around that time weren't you? Something must have been wrong with the vision in the boardroom Glory days, whilst training on the flooded Cadburys chocolate factory too.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 28, 2021 13:39:02 GMT
Calm down Vaughan it’s only a commercial disaster. What happened to your theory that Wael wouldn’t do anything to harm Rovers for fear of “reputational damage” ? How is his reputation looking now ? I think the comments made by the Gillingham owner are the tip of an iceberg when it comes to Rovers standing in the football community. It is true that I may have turned down Harvard and gone to South Bristol Technical College instead. But don’t blame me if a sinkhole appears in the state of the art top class training facility at Almondsbury or if the poor souls who think Rovers are debt free ever discover we owe twice as much as we did in 2016 but someone at head office has forgotten to capitalize it. If Wael is in complete control why is he relying on JB to tell us about the great reset ? The last time he had a vision he penned a really good letter to fans and many of us were genuinely happy to compliment him on it. Talking of "Reputational damage" can you recall the board appointing Martin Dobson in July and sacking him in October Swiss, following his dismantling of what Gerry had built? What a terrific managerial appointment Dobson was. Then the Dennis Rofe saga, where Malcolm Alison was brought in as "consultant" to the manager. Only for Rofe to leave in protest a matter of days later. Bit of a laughing stock wasnt it, and Big Mal was all over the papers whilst everyone laughed at us. 2 years of managerial madness. You can probably still track down a "Dennis was stabbed in the back" Tee shirt on E Bay. The fans were pretty unhappy weren't they, I can remember the demos in the Twerton car park after a Tuesday night match. We suffered a relegation that season I recall. Of course, you were apparently on the board around that time weren't you? Something must have been wrong with the vision in the boardroom Glory days, whilst training on the flooded Cadburys chocolate factory too. I was friends with Dennis Rofe at the time, to say he was disappointed would be an understatement, he was very well liked by the fan's and players and deserved better than he got. However, he moved back to the Southampton area shortly after and picked up a lucrative coaching deal with Soton, his old club, visited him a few times, and was doing very nicely, always smiling and making lots of fun was Dennis. On a visit to Southampton I remember him pointing at his new Rover car, and him telling me that Rovers gave it to him as a form of 'settlement'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:48:36 GMT
Talking of "Reputational damage" can you recall the board appointing Martin Dobson in July and sacking him in October Swiss, following his dismantling of what Gerry had built? What a terrific managerial appointment Dobson was. Then the Dennis Rofe saga, where Malcolm Alison was brought in as "consultant" to the manager. Only for Rofe to leave in protest a matter of days later. Bit of a laughing stock wasnt it, and Big Mal was all over the papers whilst everyone laughed at us. 2 years of managerial madness. You can probably still track down a "Dennis was stabbed in the back" Tee shirt on E Bay. The fans were pretty unhappy weren't they, I can remember the demos in the Twerton car park after a Tuesday night match. We suffered a relegation that season I recall. Of course, you were apparently on the board around that time weren't you? Something must have been wrong with the vision in the boardroom Glory days, whilst training on the flooded Cadburys chocolate factory too. I was friends with Dennis Rofe at the time, to say he was disappointed would be an understatement, he was very well liked by the fan's and players and deserved better than he got. However, he moved back to the Southampton area shortly after and picked up a lucrative coaching deal with Soton, his old club, visited him a few times, and was doing very nicely, always smiling and making lots of fun was Dennis. Sadly the board at the time, I don't know if Swiss was there then, were still under the influence of Gerry Francis who recommended Malcolm Allison to GD. He stayed at the Manor House Keynsham and apparently their bar sales reached record levels. On the day that he was sacked, Allison was led in bed still pissed from the night before when Denis opened his door a few inches, shouted "Your Sacked" before closing the door quickly and running down the corridor too avoid Allisons known bad temper. (Story as told by GD) We did beat City 4-0 under him though.
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Post by vaughan on Mar 28, 2021 13:57:21 GMT
Who the hell is Swiss Gas and what is his previous connection with Rovers Board Room? Did it coincide with some golden Commercial era of our history? 😂😂 It might be therapy to open up about the past and take your mind off locked Memorial gates and sink holes at The Quarters? Can you picture Joey falling into the abyss during a training session?
I got chucked off Gaschat for calling out Roy Cowell. Sorry Roy, but people were starting to take you far too seriously. 😂😂 As they say, sometimes you have to take one for the team, or for your own sanity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 14:09:25 GMT
I was a young supporter just getting into the Gas at the time Swiss was on the board. I thought things would always be that good and loved playing the likes of Newcastle (and beating them at St James’). Sadly we’ve never reached that height in the 30 odd years since.
Sorry, I’ve gone off topic, was this thread about how sh&t it all was then?
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 28, 2021 14:22:32 GMT
Who the hell is Swiss Gas and what is his previous connection with Rovers Board Room? Did it coincide with some golden Commercial era of our history? 😂😂 It might be therapy to open up about the past and take your mind off locked Memorial gates and sink holes at The Quarters? Can you picture Joey falling into the abyss during a training session? I got chucked off Gaschat for calling out Roy Cowell. Sorry Roy, but people were starting to take you far too seriously. 😂😂 As they say, sometimes you have to take one for the team, or for your own sanity. Rather than "who the hell", why don't you just ask politely? And you were chucked off Gasshat? Interesting. Noted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 15:10:10 GMT
Who the hell is Swiss Gas and what is his previous connection with Rovers Board Room? Did it coincide with some golden Commercial era of our history? 😂😂 It might be therapy to open up about the past and take your mind off locked Memorial gates and sink holes at The Quarters? Can you picture Joey falling into the abyss during a training session? I got chucked off Gaschat for calling out Roy Cowell. Sorry Roy, but people were starting to take you far too seriously. 😂😂 As they say, sometimes you have to take one for the team, or for your own sanity. Not got a clue who Swiss is, and don't know him other than some friendly jousts on here. But people say he used to be on the board 30 odd years ago which i believe he has confirmed. As you know in Swiss' football world everything is WAQ's fault and Swiss has all the answers, including selling the Mem and ground sharing, not being in debt and not bothering with a proper training ground and using somewhere like Eastville Park or somewhere equally bizarre, because Almondsbury is no good as the pitches are too many degrees north or something. Presumably this is some sort of 'back to the future' to a Twerton/Frys type vision (don't laugh, he is serious) I bring up the Dobson/Rofe/Alison saga as a gentle reminder that he was associated with the club (I think) during times of acute embarrassment as well and to provide a bit of evidence that actually he doesn't have all the answers. In fact, I don't think he has any at all - he just doesn't like WAQ, Starnes, or anyone else connected with the club for that matter. (In Starnes case, because he doesn't shave or wear a tie in interviews. Nor does he work hard enough apparently) The reality is that 30 years ago we only survived because we paid peanuts and sold Penrice/Martin/Yates/Taylor etc etc etc. That was plan A. There was no Plan B. In fact those glory days included a distinctly dysfunctional football club where you used to get more sense from the Supporters club than the football club (god how times have changed) , no commercial income, no training facilities. But we did brilliantly to survive and even thrive for a bit, granted. Some happy times and fair play to the board at that time for keeping us going. But it was different times, a different era, and anyone who think that model is doable now is off their rocker. Anyway - Hi Swiss Joey B*****'s and WAQ's Blue & White Army
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 15:19:03 GMT
Who the hell is Swiss Gas and what is his previous connection with Rovers Board Room? Did it coincide with some golden Commercial era of our history? 😂😂 It might be therapy to open up about the past and take your mind off locked Memorial gates and sink holes at The Quarters? Can you picture Joey falling into the abyss during a training session? I got chucked off Gaschat for calling out Roy Cowell. Sorry Roy, but people were starting to take you far too seriously. 😂😂 As they say, sometimes you have to take one for the team, or for your own sanity. Not got a clue who Swiss is, and don't know him other than some friendly jousts on here. But people say he used to be on the board 30 odd years ago which i believe he has confirmed. As you know in Swiss' football world everything is WAQ's fault and Swiss has all the answers, including selling the Mem and ground sharing, not being in debt and not bothering with a proper training ground and using somewhere like Eastville Park or somewhere equally bizarre, because Almondsbury is no good as the pitches are too many degrees north or something. Presumably this is some sort of 'back to the future' to a Twerton/Frys type vision (don't laugh, he is serious) I bring up the Dobson/Rofe/Alison saga as a gentle reminder that he was associated with the club (I think) during times of acute embarrassment as well and to provide a bit of evidence that actually he doesn't have all the answers. In fact, I don't think he has any at all - he just doesn't like WAQ, Starnes, or anyone else connected with the club for that matter. (In Starnes case, because he doesn't shave or wear a tie in interviews. Nor does he work hard enough apparently) The reality is that 30 years ago we only survived because we paid peanuts and sold Penrice/Martin/Yates/Taylor etc etc etc. That was plan A. There was no Plan B. In fact those glory days included a distinctly dysfunctional football club where you used to get more sense from the Supporters club than the football club (god how times have changed) , no commercial income, no training facilities. But we did brilliantly to survive and even thrive for a bit, granted. Some happy times and fair play to the board at that time for keeping us going. But it was different times, a different era, and anyone who think that model is doable now is off their rocker. Anyway - Hi Swiss Joey B*****'s and WAQ's Blue & White Army To be fair, when your plan A is to sell your keeper you’ve just signed from the Cornish league for a world record fee and still p&ss all over City to win promotion, who needs a plan B?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 15:29:30 GMT
Ah yes, those dysfunctional times, which started off out of necessity when we lost our home and lead to us winning L1, beating 1982 regularly, we genuinely had no debt, put out a team that left everything on the field in every game, and it culminated in moving back to Bristol where we now bought 50% of a ground, which gave us more security than we had at Eastville, and very quickly owned half of it outright with a mortgage on the other half.
Just to remind 'contradiction' this is the equity and security that Wael has been p1ssing up the wall relentlessly for the last 5 years.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 28, 2021 15:41:44 GMT
Who the hell is Swiss Gas and what is his previous connection with Rovers Board Room? Did it coincide with some golden Commercial era of our history? 😂😂 It might be therapy to open up about the past and take your mind off locked Memorial gates and sink holes at The Quarters? Can you picture Joey falling into the abyss during a training session? I got chucked off Gaschat for calling out Roy Cowell. Sorry Roy, but people were starting to take you far too seriously. 😂😂 As they say, sometimes you have to take one for the team, or for your own sanity. Rather than "who the hell", why don't you just ask politely? And you were chucked off Gasshat? Interesting. Noted. The blind faith brigade are under pressure and turning things personal. What would be better, and certainly more beneficial to those of us who support Rovers, would be if they could put forward reasoned arguments explaining Wael’s latest strategy. My involvement at Rovers coincided almost exactly with Gerry Francis first spell as manager. I watched my first game at Eastville in 1963 and could find many anecdotes to tell about my life’s adventures and their relevance to Rovers but I’m not sure now is the time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 15:42:41 GMT
So is our latest defence of B***** and where we are now that it was worse in 1993 and that Swiss is in some way responsible for this?
I look forward to B***** calling out Swiss over the next week and Swiss phoning B***** to learn how to run the financial side of a football club
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Post by swissgas on Mar 28, 2021 15:47:37 GMT
So is our latest defence of B***** and where we are now that it was worse in 1993 and that Swiss is in some way responsible for this? I look forward to B***** calling out Swiss over the next week and Swiss phoning B***** to learn how to run the financial side of a football club I’ve arranged to meet him in the car park vlad
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 16:09:10 GMT
Rather than "who the hell", why don't you just ask politely? And you were chucked off Gasshat? Interesting. Noted. The blind faith brigade are under pressure and turning things personal. What would be better, and certainly more beneficial to those of us who support Rovers, would be if they could put forward reasoned arguments explaining Wael’s latest strategy. My involvement at Rovers coincided almost exactly with Gerry Francis first spell as manager. I watched my first game at Eastville in 1963 and could find many anecdotes to tell about my life’s adventures and their relevance to Rovers but I’m not sure now is the time. So you would have been involved in the appointment of Dobson then presumably.
Would be interested in what the plan was there
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 16:15:42 GMT
The blind faith brigade are under pressure and turning things personal. What would be better, and certainly more beneficial to those of us who support Rovers, would be if they could put forward reasoned arguments explaining Wael’s latest strategy. My involvement at Rovers coincided almost exactly with Gerry Francis first spell as manager. I watched my first game at Eastville in 1963 and could find many anecdotes to tell about my life’s adventures and their relevance to Rovers but I’m not sure now is the time. So you would have been involved in the appointment of Dobson then presumably.
Would be interested in what the plan was there I can only see GD, Denis, Ron and Vernon here but most of us know all decisions were made by GD back then despite Denis being chairman. Look at the contract signing at the end.
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 28, 2021 16:16:05 GMT
Management appointments work or fail. Gerry Francis failed at Exeter, gained promotion with us. Terry Cooper failed here, got Exeter promoted.
Any club got all their appointments right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 16:20:20 GMT
Management appointments work or fail. Gerry Francis failed at Exeter, gained promotion with us. Terry Cooper failed here, got Exeter promoted. Any club got all their appointments right? Swansea arguably had a good decade of getting their managerial appointments right. It’s usually only a matter of time before the s**t hits the fan though and a bad managerial appointment can undo the work of multiple previous managers, with interest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 16:25:41 GMT
Management appointments work or fail. Gerry Francis failed at Exeter, gained promotion with us. Terry Cooper failed here, got Exeter promoted. Any club got all their appointments right? Swansea arguably had a good decade of getting their managerial appointments right. It’s usually only a matter of time before the s*** hits the fan though and a bad managerial appointment can undo the work of multiple previous managers, with interest. Liverpool were brilliant at managerial appointments until they appointed Souness. Exeter have had a decent record since they went bust and rebuilt. Alex Inglethorpe (now Liverpool) Paul Tisdale (now earning millions in Clifton) Matty Taylor (current). Three managers in 17 years, as many as we have had this season.
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