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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 28, 2021 18:57:16 GMT
Swissgas is big enough to stick up for himself. Next, you will be arguing that he is being bullied or victimised. it seems Epping's warning has missed its mark
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 18:58:55 GMT
Swissgas is big enough to stick up for himself. Next, you will be arguing that he is being bullied or victimised. I love the logic that you can attack the Owner and Manager of the Club ad infinitum, but not call out the poster who is doing it. Did you note that Lee Johnson called Wael "a fantastic man" on Friday and praised B*****. But Lickle Lee is a sh*t head and Swiss is a Gasheads.org favourite? #boohiss Not sure who you are talking to as you don't appear to know that there is a quote button but for the record I have met Wael and had written dialogue with him on several occasions and I too find him a very decent human being but I also say the same about Steve Lansdown. Lee Johnson also praised our groundsman but that won't stop people disliking him. Whether Swiss is right with his predictions of the future I have no idea but I hope he is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 19:17:07 GMT
Swissgas is big enough to stick up for himself. Next, you will be arguing that he is being bullied or victimised. I love the logic that you can attack the Owner and Manager of the Club ad infinitum, but not call out the poster who is doing it. Did you note that Lee Johnson called Wael "a fantastic man" on Friday and praised B*****. But Lickle Lee is a sh*t head and Swiss is a Gasheads.org favourite? #boohiss Not sure who you are talking to as you don't appear to know that there is a quote button but for the record I have met Wael and had written dialogue with him on several occasions and I too find him a very decent human being but I also say the same about Steve Lansdown. Lee Johnson also praised our groundsman but that won't stop people disliking him. Whether Swiss is right with his predictions of the future I have no idea but I hope he is wrong. If it’s aimed at me then I think I’ve been clear in saying I respect the views of Vaughan and others as fellow Gasheads even if I don’t always agree. I’m fully behind the owner in all bar his choice of manager. It’s allowed to not agree with something without it meaning you’re not eternally grateful for servicing the debt he had accrued. If people want to call out Swiss for his part in perceived failures of the early 90s then when I’ve stopped laughing I’ll respond. I have no idea who Swiss is but what that board achieved was remarkable. And I think Joey and Tommy are absolute clowns who I want to leave our club. I did enjoy the pantomime of Joeys psychotic post match interview and the sunderland fans replies though. Pure widow tw**ky with a silent t. Boo hiss
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 19:20:56 GMT
The attacks are getting a bit incoherent and I’m wondering which particular one of my recent posts has touched a nerve ? I doubt it Swiss - they are all the same
Blame WAQ, We are going bust, I know best
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 19:39:06 GMT
The attacks are getting a bit incoherent and I’m wondering which particular one of my recent posts has touched a nerve ? I doubt it Swiss - they are all the same
Blame WAQ, We are going bust, I know best I won't reply to you quoting me just now as I'm struggling a little to work out what you were driving it. How about we try to move this along, what exactly has Swiss said that's antagonised you? Let's work through things one or two at a time. I agree with most of what he says, but far from everything. For what it's worth, if you are interested, my view of Wael is that he desperately needs help from people who understand how clubs operate at this level, and needs to accept advice. The most successful people I know all appear to surround themselves with individuals who have particular areas of expertise, and they utilise that knowledge and skill. Weal appears to be burning through people in management positions at a frightening rate. That's a huge red flag for me. Ref Vaughan. No idea what's going on, but hope whatever it is doesn't escalate, often disagree but always enjoy reading his thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 19:42:20 GMT
Not sure who you are talking to as you don't appear to know that there is a quote button but for the record I have met Wael and had written dialogue with him on several occasions and I too find him a very decent human being but I also say the same about Steve Lansdown. Lee Johnson also praised our groundsman but that won't stop people disliking him. Whether Swiss is right with his predictions of the future I have no idea but I hope he is wrong. debt he had accrued. If people want to call out Swiss for his part in perceived failures of the early 90s then when I’ve stopped laughing I’ll respond. I have no idea who Swiss is but what that board achieved was remarkable.
But thats not really the context is it.
Every post from Swiss is a dig at the owner, an owner without which we may not have a football club.
We all know that professional football now needs owner investment to survive. Thats the reality, however much we wish it wasnt. To argue opposite is to be in cloud cuckoo land.
Swiss uses a model from 30 years ago to try and make a point that WAQ is useless and that he knows Oh so much better.
The board from those Twerton years did a fantastc job and we should al be grateful but as the Dobson example shows, Swiss talks as much boll*x as the rest of us, despite being on the board in a different age.
He goes on an on about WAQ's plan for the managers role (and everything else), he wants to know what it is. But when he was on the board all those years ago, everyone knew Gerry was going but there was no plan from the board at the time other than O' Neil. We all know that, they were floundering after O' Neil said No. Those around at the time know it. It was one of those things, it was a massive job to replace Gerry.
Its a tad embarrassing to keep going on about WAQ and then be reminded of this from all those years ago.
If this happened now, imagine if the manager left in May and we went best part of 2 months without a manager for pre season can you imagone what Swiss would be saying?? Jeez, it would be constant.
Anyway, its not personal, I'm sure Swiss is a jolly find chap and I'd shake his hand in thanks for the Twerton years.
But he talks total boll*x
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Post by swissgas on Mar 28, 2021 19:44:11 GMT
The attacks are getting a bit incoherent and I’m wondering which particular one of my recent posts has touched a nerve ? I doubt it Swiss - they are all the same
Blame WAQ, We are going bust, I know best So it’s about Rovers going bust. Something none of us want so a good subject for discussion about how it can be avoided.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 19:54:07 GMT
I doubt it Swiss - they are all the same
Blame WAQ, We are going bust, I know best So it’s about Rovers going bust. Something none of us want so a good subject for discussion about how it can be avoided. Nope I think your posts show a total and utter lack of respect for the owner, I think its on you to explain why
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Post by swissgas on Mar 28, 2021 20:03:45 GMT
So it’s about Rovers going bust. Something none of us want so a good subject for discussion about how it can be avoided. Nope I think your posts show a total and utter lack of respect for the owner, I think its on you to explain why re·spect /rəˈspekt/. 1. a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. 2. due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of others Which one am I lacking ?
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Post by vaughan on Mar 28, 2021 20:20:17 GMT
I really echo eveything that Contradiction has said. It is the constant undermining of Wael AQ that gets to me.
I was completely frustrated with him after UWE collapse and the lack of anything concrete on the ground, culminating in that ridiculous Family Stand, which even Darrell Clarke described to me as an absolute joke. That was like rubbing salt in the wounds after UWE. Please note views of Staffordshire Gas.
He lost his Dad, took over sole control of DS and forked out a lot of money to capitalise the Debt and see us through a Pandemic with a competitive playing budget.
Garner model has been a disaster. Also the ground is not fit for purpose and decisions need to be made on perhaps improving the Mem. But it's easy for me to ask for this, given his unprecedented investment. So it's hopefully a more balanced view of Wael. He is THE OWNER.
B***** is controversial, but if he sweeps away the Garner model for good, he would have served a purpose. We all know that almost certainly that he won't here for the start of the 23-24 season?
"Managers live and die by their recruitment" (B*****'s actual words). Let's see if he is more successful than the combined work of Garner and TW.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 20:32:30 GMT
Vaughan.
Unless I'm missing something, so far, if you've paid a tenner to stream one match then you have spent more in your life following Rovers than Wael has.
He has a charge on our stadium and owns the training ground.
I'll save the plaudits for the day that the charge is converted to a covenant giving security of tenure to Rovers. Until then, his exposure to risk is zero.
Have I misunderstood something about how this works?
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Post by vaughan on Mar 29, 2021 10:03:05 GMT
You asked me a question directly, so I will be polite and answer it.
My view of Wael is different to yours.
I do trust him and I believe that his actions warrant that. I never feared that he would sell the Mem akin to a Bill Archer at Brighton. You can criticize his decision-making, but not his motives. I have been scathing about him post UWE collapse and the ground situation needs clarity post Pandemic.
I think that the club would be in a parlous state without him. So please be careful what you wish for.
I will call out those who attack him constantly when that person claims to speak with authority as a subject matter expert. To be fair, that's exactly what Contradiction has done in this and other threads.
I have also made it clear that I am far less principled than many of you on B*****. Machiavelli springs to mind to describe my views on BRFC. So I am guilty as charged on that front.
Enough said. Move on, otherwise it starts to look personal and more like Gaschat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 10:12:54 GMT
I wonder if Mike Jones said sorry yesterday.
Joey said the refs cost us 4 points last week so I assume he was expecting one of them to head home a winner for us as well
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 10:58:58 GMT
You asked me a question directly, so I will be polite and answer it. My view of Wael is different to yours. I do trust him and I believe that his actions warrant that. I never feared that he would sell the Mem akin to a Bill Archer at Brighton. You can criticize his decision-making, but not his motives. I have been scathing about him post UWE collapse and the ground situation needs clarity post Pandemic. I think that the club would be in a parlous state without him. So please be careful what you wish for. I will call out those who attack him constantly when that person claims to speak with authority as a subject matter expert. To be fair, that's exactly what Contradiction has done in this and other threads. I have also made it clear that I am far less principled than many of you on B*****. Machiavelli springs to mind to describe my views on BRFC. So I am guilty as charged on that front. Enough said. Move on, otherwise it starts to look personal and more like Gaschat. That didn't actually answer the question, I don't think. Some of it didn't actually make any sense, so it's difficult to be certain, but the question asked was whether or not Wael has, as of yet, exposed himself to financial risk or whether his investment is covered by equity in infrastructure, which he either owns outright via a company which he owns or via a charge to secure his position? You've raised another question as well. My understanding is that the charge secures his personal position in relation to the stadium, but as far as I'm aware Rovers have nothing such as a covenant giving them security of tenure. Is this just an oversight do you think?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Mar 29, 2021 11:37:24 GMT
So it’s about Rovers going bust. Something none of us want so a good subject for discussion about how it can be avoided. Nope I think your posts show a total and utter lack of respect for the owner, I think its on you to explain why As you have attacked and called out Swiss on his time on the Board even though we all acknowledge the job done at the time and that Swiss left before Dobson's appointment, and as a lot of us don't know you, why not tell us about your experience on the Board and your particular successes in football? What is your background that qualifies you to challenge Swiss and the facts which he has stated that you believe to be wrong? I don't always agree with Swiss but I am genuinely interested in the points he raises and would love to hear your side and facts. Regards
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Post by irishrover on Mar 29, 2021 11:54:13 GMT
I find the argument that we should somehow go easy on criticism of Wael because he is the owner currently bankrolling the club to be an absurd one.
He is an individual treating the club as a private asset for him to do as he wishes (I would argue that Rovers like nearly all clubs have been run in this way for a long time now - comfortably pre-dating Wael) and he has the right to do so. But that means that my relationship with him is purely transactional. If the attitude is 'it's my club and I'll do what I want with it' then to me the only logical response is to act as a standard customer of any other business. In which case my only question is 'what have you done for me lately?'
Our owners do not even pay lip service to the idea of Rovers being a 'club' in the sense of some kind of collective project. It's their club and we simply cheer for the product. So I fail to see why I owe them a single iota of loyalty. If they run the club well then great - if they don't, then they deserve criticism. Otherwise you're left with the logic of a dictatorship - 'we must support the wise leader because he is the wise leader and no one else could replace him' which is nonsense on stilts and a recipe for cronyism.
There is currently no other logic left to fans other than that of the customer - if the service from my bank declines sharply I have a right to complain irrespective of whether service and investment decisions by that bank have been good previously. You cannot have your cake and eat it - if you treat people like customers (as opposed to fans/member in a collective project) then they will behave like customers and I don't think you can object to that on any reasonable terms.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 12:37:01 GMT
Nope I think your posts show a total and utter lack of respect for the owner, I think its on you to explain why As you have attacked and called out Swiss on his time on the Board even though we all acknowledge the job done at the time and that Swiss left before Dobson's appointment, and as a lot of us don't know you, why not tell us about your experience on the Board and your particular successes in football? What is your background that qualifies you to challenge Swiss and the facts which he has stated that you believe to be wrong? I don't always agree with Swiss but I am genuinely interested in the points he raises and would love to hear your side and facts. Regards Cheshire, I think the point is this. If you have been on the board, albeit a very successful one, it makes your views on the current board less credible than those who have never been on a board. This is due to mistakes the board you were on may have made themselves (albeit after your left). I trust this makes sense?
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Post by harrybuckle on Mar 29, 2021 12:38:36 GMT
Is all this getting a bit clicky !
As a longstanding fan I acknowledge the funds Wael has pumped into my club to sustain it. I did not agree with the Garner appointment and praised him for his appointment of Tisdale but was angry at Tisdale's sacking and initially at the B***** appointment. Clearly the last two managers had little opportunity to make bold player changes which needed doing. But Day and Williams were both good signings. B***** like Tisdale has called out the recruitment and the poor results. It is incumbent on Joey now to plan for life in league two clear the decks and bring in winners which won't be easy in the bottom division.
I wish him well and his staff to their efforts.
Meanwhile the forum banging on about the past is merely a waste of time and nothing will change Move on and look forward to the pubs opening, the Mem reopening and the Alfie Biggs book. What's not to like. UTG
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 29, 2021 13:03:37 GMT
I await another conspiracy theory from Swiss Gas on how this is all a plot for someone from B*****'s murky past to seek influence to leverage control over Wael, forcing the inevitable sale of the Mem. Picture the locked Mem gates, which with his insight (😂😂😂), he confidently predicted before the capitalisation of debt. So many of you are so cynical about this Club and even its owner, that you can not even recognise facts. He even undermined the building of the training ground. Flawed logic yet again. If Wael would only listen to me...as I understand business. Wael has a Harvard MBA, but he needs to listen to me..... I can throw around words like sustainability, cash flow, etc. The reality reflects what is bugging Masters and so many on here. Wael is in complete control and there is SWEET FA that any of you can do about it, apart from threaten to walk away..but seemingly not from this Forum. 😂😂 To compund your misery, he has decided to join up with Bad Boy B*****. OMG 😤 #boohiss Vaughan, I thought it was Hani with the Harvard MBA?. I thought Wael attended Boston University and has a degree in computer science?.
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Post by rowdenhill on Mar 29, 2021 13:13:07 GMT
That's true. He also has a doctorate in omniscience, is venerated by five different sects of worshippers on Lundy Island, and is feted thrice weekly by selected glee club devotees on the Goodwin Sands.
Quality like that doesn't come cheap, wack. We all have to pay up. Das ist unser Schicksal.
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