kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 24, 2021 17:26:57 GMT
Ah well, I must be "woke" or whatever puerile insult anyone wants to throw, as equating the performance of a player or team to the holocaust, absolutely offends me. Barton is an out and out disgrace and should be nowhere near our great club. Barton out. He should never have been near the club because of his previous and pending misdemeanours. Everything else that has happened, pending or been said since just endorses that opinion. Barton Out, should never have been here in the first place. Yet you say that you are fully supportive of Wael, K, I don’t understand fella as it was he who has instigated the full gamut of changes , that have led to this point. How can you justify being fully supportive of Wael when he has been the one who has torn the club apart, given us “upgrades” that have caused more trouble than progress and has led us from a solid league 1 side to a relegation threatened league 2 side mate ?
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Post by petecolley on Oct 24, 2021 17:30:06 GMT
The word Holocaust is derived from the Greek holokauston, a translation of the Hebrew word ʿolah, meaning a burnt sacrifice offered whole to God.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 17:39:20 GMT
The word Holocaust is derived from the Greek holokauston, a translation of the Hebrew word ʿolah, meaning a burnt sacrifice offered whole to God. Not sure the origin of the word is the issue, it's the modern usage, which is pretty much exclusively the only way in which it's now used, that's the problem. Go back to before WW2 and he may have got away with what he's just said, it would probably still have been a bit odd, but not as daft as him using it casually in the way he did yesterday. Anyway, here we are, 24 hours after the event, no sacking yet, so still we don't know how far down in to the sewer we need to be dragged before he's booted out
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 24, 2021 17:49:56 GMT
The word Holocaust is derived from the Greek holokauston, a translation of the Hebrew word ʿolah, meaning a burnt sacrifice offered whole to God. Not sure the origin of the word is the issue, it's the modern usage, which is pretty much exclusively the only way in which it's now used, that's the problem. Go back to before WW2 and he may have got away with what he's just said, it would probably still have been a bit odd, but not as daft as him using it casually in the way he did yesterday. Anyway, here we are, 24 hours after the event, no sacking yet, so still we don't know how far down in to the sewer we need to be dragged before he's booted out I'm guessing that the Board may want to have a discussion, and possibly take legal advice, before anything is made public?
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 24, 2021 17:50:59 GMT
It’s the other way around, Ollie could never work with AlQadi and has openly said so I’d love to have him here as director of football, with Gareth or Stewy as Team Manager. What it doesn’t need is Barton simply sacked, the day before he came we still needed a proper football person, preferably who loves the club and committed to the long term, to call the shots. That’s the direction it needs to go, regardless of Barton being paid up? I would be happy with that scenario too but, if you saw Ollie now and how well he looks, talks and is now much more open to talk, you would see a person who seems genuinely happy tobe away from the cesspit that is modern football, that is only my take on it, i am not trying to say he’s a mate or that i know him well but i have seen him with regularity in a certain pet food store, for many years and only last saw him around a month ago
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 24, 2021 17:53:12 GMT
Not sure the origin of the word is the issue, it's the modern usage, which is pretty much exclusively the only way in which it's now used, that's the problem. Go back to before WW2 and he may have got away with what he's just said, it would probably still have been a bit odd, but not as daft as him using it casually in the way he did yesterday. Anyway, here we are, 24 hours after the event, no sacking yet, so still we don't know how far down in to the sewer we need to be dragged before he's booted out I'm guessing that the Board may want to have a discussion, and possibly take legal advice, before anything is made public? That would be a first
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Post by Angas on Oct 24, 2021 17:54:41 GMT
Probably giving him the chance to explain himself. Poor lad, I'm sure he meant to say 'horror show', just got a bit muddled. Easily done with two such common phrases. Just as the BP wrote 'refereed' when they meant 'referred'. Can't imagine why the word 'referee' came into their heads when writing an article about Joey ...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 17:56:26 GMT
Not sure the origin of the word is the issue, it's the modern usage, which is pretty much exclusively the only way in which it's now used, that's the problem. Go back to before WW2 and he may have got away with what he's just said, it would probably still have been a bit odd, but not as daft as him using it casually in the way he did yesterday. Anyway, here we are, 24 hours after the event, no sacking yet, so still we don't know how far down in to the sewer we need to be dragged before he's booted out I'm guessing that the Board may want to have a discussion, and possibly take legal advice, before anything is made public? Just remind me who the members of the BoD are? Wael. Gorringe. Widdrington. And?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 18:08:06 GMT
Yes, well done. There's the only democracy in the middle East, surrounded by countries run by varying degrees of lunacy. To anyone trying to justify Barton using the holocaust in football terms, stop it.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 24, 2021 18:08:57 GMT
The word Holocaust is derived from the Greek holokauston, a translation of the Hebrew word ʿolah, meaning a burnt sacrifice offered whole to God. Not sure the origin of the word is the issue, it's the modern usage, which is pretty much exclusively the only way in which it's now used, that's the problem. Go back to before WW2 and he may have got away with what he's just said, it would probably still have been a bit odd, but not as daft as him using it casually in the way he did yesterday. Anyway, here we are, 24 hours after the event, no sacking yet, so still we don't know how far down in to the sewer we need to be dragged before he's booted out Duke, and all admins. if we now let off a blue and a white flare to celebrate his going, could that been construed insensitive in light of this comment? I was thinking no pyro no party, does this now mean we can’t use the ding dong Joey’s gone fireworks? I suspect the clubs silence is ominous for the manager.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 24, 2021 18:12:41 GMT
Yes, well done. There's the only democracy in the middle East, surrounded by countries run by varying degrees of lunacy. To anyone trying to justify Barton using the holocaust in football terms, stop it. Stop your mischief making, Faust, it shows how close and sensitive to Israel Jordan is. There is no justification to use Holocaust in football terms. Poignant and emotive term inappropriate as football metaphor. But could the word, and it’s misuse, may be more sensitive to those who live in, schooled in the sensitivities of that region is the point. Like a Jordanian going to bed wondering what reaction if his employee uses the word but employer doesn’t take action, whilst owner whose scrap metal dealer called Brian from Limehouse might not be so knowing or vexed?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 24, 2021 18:15:04 GMT
I’d love to have him here as director of football, with Gareth or Stewy as Team Manager. What it doesn’t need is Barton simply sacked, the day before he came we still needed a proper football person, preferably who loves the club and committed to the long term, to call the shots. That’s the direction it needs to go, regardless of Barton being paid up? I would be happy with that scenario too but, if you saw Ollie now and how well he looks, talks and is now much more open to talk, you would see a person who seems genuinely happy tobe away from the cesspit that is modern football, that is only my take on it, i am not trying to say he’s a mate or that i know him well but i have seen him with regularity in a certain pet food store, for many years and only last saw him around a month ago If I won the Euro millions, my first call would be to Wael to make him an offer he couldn’t refuse, my second to Olly to make him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 18:24:52 GMT
He should never have been near the club because of his previous and pending misdemeanours. Everything else that has happened, pending or been said since just endorses that opinion. Barton Out, should never have been here in the first place. Yet you say that you are fully supportive of Wael, K, I don’t understand fella as it was he who has instigated the full gamut of changes , that have led to this point. How can you justify being fully supportive of Wael when he has been the one who has torn the club apart, given us “upgrades” that have caused more trouble than progress and has led us from a solid league 1 side to a relegation threatened league 2 side mate ? Wael has my backing but I would love to see him bring in people who really could help him and have the best intentions for the club at heart. We have an owner who has backed his own errors with millions of pounds, something the previous owners weren't prepared to do and what led them selling the club. Any alternatives have never been confirmed other than some veiled comments from Presidents Club members. It's a shame the two people who were going to join the board a year or two ago and had access to a new stadium site weren't appointed after an 11th hour change of heart by Wael. These people are just the type of people Wael needs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 18:38:13 GMT
Holloway???
Good grief, this site is descending further into satire.
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Post by gasprom on Oct 24, 2021 18:50:43 GMT
Yet you say that you are fully supportive of Wael, K, I don’t understand fella as it was he who has instigated the full gamut of changes , that have led to this point. How can you justify being fully supportive of Wael when he has been the one who has torn the club apart, given us “upgrades” that have caused more trouble than progress and has led us from a solid league 1 side to a relegation threatened league 2 side mate ? Wael has my backing but I would love to see him bring in people who really could help him and have the best intentions for the club at heart. We have an owner who has backed his own errors with millions of pounds, something the previous owners weren't prepared to do and what led them selling the club. Any alternatives have never been confirmed other than some veiled comments from Presidents Club members. It's a shame the two people who were going to join the board a year or two ago and had access to a new stadium site weren't appointed after an 11th hour change of heart by Wael. These people are just the type of people Wael needs. Pop isn’t your last paragraph a reason to have little faith in Wael and his judgement? For whatever reason he had a change of heart about the two potential directors but seems happy to surround himself with people like Barton, Jennings, Tommy etc. None of whom appear to have the club at heart. I agree with you he has backed his own mistakes with money and while as a supporter I appreciate that in light of the alternatives, I’m mindful of the fact he chose to buy a football club, it didn’t just land on him, therefore the minimum duty is to sustain the clubs existence if you are not going to run it in a sustainable way. I’ve seen more progress at Bridgwater Town in the last year than I’ve seen at Rovers in six.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 24, 2021 19:00:42 GMT
Yet you say that you are fully supportive of Wael, K, I don’t understand fella as it was he who has instigated the full gamut of changes , that have led to this point. How can you justify being fully supportive of Wael when he has been the one who has torn the club apart, given us “upgrades” that have caused more trouble than progress and has led us from a solid league 1 side to a relegation threatened league 2 side mate ? Wael has my backing but I would love to see him bring in people who really could help him and have the best intentions for the club at heart. We have an owner who has backed his own errors with millions of pounds, something the previous owners weren't prepared to do and what led them selling the club. Any alternatives have never been confirmed other than some veiled comments from Presidents Club members. It's a shame the two people who were going to join the board a year or two ago and had access to a new stadium site weren't appointed after an 11th hour change of heart by Wael. These people are just the type of people Wael needs. Thank you for the clarification I totally agree about the 2 you speak of but i hear that could still be a possibility but only if Wael ( or whenever advises him) invited them back to the table and truly thought it through. His priorities are all wrong, i am open in saying i can still be immature and moody but i would never let me ego and id get in the way of progressing the club. It concerns me that he is obviously a man who wants to be loved, this is his chance to get that but i worry that this insecurity could be a long term problem for him. I know the fat bar steward who used to own Newcastle was not nice but Wael could learn a trick or two from him, in shedding the weakness and growing a much thicker skin. I hope you are having a good evening
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 24, 2021 19:03:33 GMT
Wael has my backing but I would love to see him bring in people who really could help him and have the best intentions for the club at heart. We have an owner who has backed his own errors with millions of pounds, something the previous owners weren't prepared to do and what led them selling the club. Any alternatives have never been confirmed other than some veiled comments from Presidents Club members. It's a shame the two people who were going to join the board a year or two ago and had access to a new stadium site weren't appointed after an 11th hour change of heart by Wael. These people are just the type of people Wael needs. Pop isn’t your last paragraph a reason to have little faith in Wael and his judgement? For whatever reason he had a change of heart about the two potential directors but seems happy to surround himself with people like Barton, Jennings, Tommy etc. None of whom appear to have the club at heart. I agree with you he has backed his own mistakes with money and while as a supporter I appreciate that in light of the alternatives, I’m mindful of the fact he chose to buy a football club, it didn’t just land on him, therefore the minimum duty is to sustain the clubs existence if you are not going to run it in a sustainable way. I’ve seen more progress at Bridgwater Town in the last year than I’ve seen at Rovers in six. Very fair comment
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 19:45:50 GMT
Wael has my backing but I would love to see him bring in people who really could help him and have the best intentions for the club at heart. We have an owner who has backed his own errors with millions of pounds, something the previous owners weren't prepared to do and what led them selling the club. Any alternatives have never been confirmed other than some veiled comments from Presidents Club members. It's a shame the two people who were going to join the board a year or two ago and had access to a new stadium site weren't appointed after an 11th hour change of heart by Wael. These people are just the type of people Wael needs. Pop isn’t your last paragraph a reason to have little faith in Wael and his judgement? For whatever reason he had a change of heart about the two potential directors but seems happy to surround himself with people like Barton, Jennings, Tommy etc. None of whom appear to have the club at heart. I agree with you he has backed his own mistakes with money and while as a supporter I appreciate that in light of the alternatives, I’m mindful of the fact he chose to buy a football club, it didn’t just land on him, therefore the minimum duty is to sustain the clubs existence if you are not going to run it in a sustainable way. I’ve seen more progress at Bridgwater Town in the last year than I’ve seen at Rovers in six. To coin a phrase, we have the club we deserve. There are no alternatives being proposed so what option do we have other than walking away or supporting what we have. We had a chance of partial fan ownership which would have given supporters power but we blew it. Great to see a fan owned club like Newport proving that it's not about throwing millions down a black hole.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 24, 2021 21:00:06 GMT
Holloway??? Good grief, this site is descending further into satire. I believe in Ian being not only a truly committed Gashead, but in his reaction to the rowdy minute silence for Williams at the gate, he knows right and wrong and decency like a true Bristolian. And after his much travelled and successful lifetime in football, I would 110% trust him to be my Bristol Rovers Chairman. You are on Faustian form to my Good Angel thisevening, Doctor. But in a way, fitting, we are all together in this thread, as this sorry saga approached the curtain.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 24, 2021 22:42:30 GMT
Pop isn’t your last paragraph a reason to have little faith in Wael and his judgement? For whatever reason he had a change of heart about the two potential directors but seems happy to surround himself with people like Barton, Jennings, Tommy etc. None of whom appear to have the club at heart. I agree with you he has backed his own mistakes with money and while as a supporter I appreciate that in light of the alternatives, I’m mindful of the fact he chose to buy a football club, it didn’t just land on him, therefore the minimum duty is to sustain the clubs existence if you are not going to run it in a sustainable way. I’ve seen more progress at Bridgwater Town in the last year than I’ve seen at Rovers in six. Very fair comment To be fair though do we want more than we need. Wael to appoint and trust a good football person to Chairman, that, and our patience, is all it needs isn’t it?
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