kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 19, 2021 14:41:48 GMT
It now seems to me we will never get rid of him, even if he is convicted. He has been given too much control and everyone seems scared of challenging him. He should never have been appointed and now appears to be un-sackable. He has a worse record than Garner having both managed 26 league games with Garner achieving 22 points compared to Barton's 18. www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/managers/league-twoI don’t believe there arent candidates at any time. I’d be happy with almost the managers of other league 2 clubs managing Rovers. We missed the boat with Nigel Clough. Mike Flynn is good, Derek Adams has been there and done it. In fact the only point of difference that our Joeybag has is his Twitter followers and celebrity reputation. Great find, GC best win percentage of all at 46%.
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 19, 2021 15:01:13 GMT
It now seems to me we will never get rid of him, even if he is convicted. He has been given too much control and everyone seems scared of challenging him. He should never have been appointed and now appears to be un-sackable. He has a worse record than Garner having both managed 26 league games with Garner achieving 22 points compared to Barton's 18. Wael Al-Qadi has stated that Barton will be sacked if he is found guilty of either violent crime. If Wael does not do as he has said he will - then that's me done with Rovers until Wael Al-Qadi leaves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 21:12:19 GMT
I think Lennie is a bit long in the tooth now but I would have Trolls back with a younger DOF who had a good database of players. Leave Trolls to do what he is good at, coaching. 'a younger DOF who had a good database of players. Isn't that what we were told Widdrington was? If not, what's the point of him? Then again, his database seemed to develop an over-ride search criterion of 'Joey's mate' at some stage, so probably needs switching off and on again. There were people within the game who raised their eyebrows at TW becoming DOF. A scout maybe or the posher title of Player Recruitment but never a DOF.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 21:29:47 GMT
Presumably he's been sacked by now?
30 hours since the fifth defeat from 8 with "his squad".
Eff off Charlatan bully.
UTG
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Post by chelt_gas on Sept 19, 2021 21:33:04 GMT
'a younger DOF who had a good database of players. Isn't that what we were told Widdrington was? If not, what's the point of him? Then again, his database seemed to develop an over-ride search criterion of 'Joey's mate' at some stage, so probably needs switching off and on again. There were people within the game who raised their eyebrows at TW becoming DOF. A scout maybe or the posher title of Player Recruitment but never a DOF. He wasn’t that bad a caretaker coach. In hindsight if he had taken the reigns following Garner or tisdales exit then things could have been different for both him and the club.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Sept 20, 2021 6:41:00 GMT
Don't panic. Hang the DJ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 7:05:11 GMT
There were people within the game who raised their eyebrows at TW becoming DOF. A scout maybe or the posher title of Player Recruitment but never a DOF. He wasn’t that bad a caretaker coach. In hindsight if he had taken the reigns following Garner or tisdales exit then things could have been different for both him and the club. Did I not say after Tisdale's departure, Widdrington should have managed the team until the end of the season. They were his players and they had his trust. There is no hindsight to realise that he couldn't have done worse than what Barton did last season or this.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 20, 2021 8:14:45 GMT
There were people within the game who raised their eyebrows at TW becoming DOF. A scout maybe or the posher title of Player Recruitment but never a DOF. He wasn’t that bad a caretaker coach. In hindsight if he had taken the reigns following Garner or tisdales exit then things could have been different for both him and the club. Agree with you on this and, in fact, he seemed to be the only one who managed to get a tune out of that squad and clearly had belief in them. It begs the question, are the players not playing for the manager, no need to answer as I’m positive they are not and that Barton has lost the dressing room and a good while back. The Elmer incident would have had repercussions, players do talk and they will havbe formed an opinion on this
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Post by vaughan on Sept 21, 2021 12:45:24 GMT
There is light at the end of the tunnel.
Pirate posted an interview with Chris Hargreaves, who said that he was up for a managerial job. I thought that he was not interested in moving up from Academy.
There is a clearly a replacement when the narcissist disappears up his own backside.
Hargreaves. Steady, intelligent. Knows the club.
Otherwise, give it back to Paul Trolloppe and quick.
Tick tock.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 13:06:37 GMT
There is light at the end of the tunnel. Pirate posted an interview with Chris Hargreaves, who said that he was up for a managerial job. I thought that he was not interested in moving up from Academy. There is a clearly a replacement when the narcissist disappears up his own backside. Hargreaves. Steady, intelligent. Knows the club. Otherwise, give it back to Paul Trolloppe and quick. Tick tock. Trolls over Greavsie for me.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 21, 2021 14:06:35 GMT
There is light at the end of the tunnel. Pirate posted an interview with Chris Hargreaves, who said that he was up for a managerial job. I thought that he was not interested in moving up from Academy. There is a clearly a replacement when the narcissist disappears up his own backside. Hargreaves. Steady, intelligent. Knows the club. Otherwise, give it back to Paul Trolloppe and quick. Tick tock. Trolls over Greavsie for me. Could Hargreaves do the Lenny role with Trolls?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 14:20:37 GMT
Trolls over Greavsie for me. Could Hargreaves do the Lenny role with Trolls? That's a bit of an insult for Trolls. I think Greavsie has found his level.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 21, 2021 14:34:56 GMT
Could Hargreaves do the Lenny role with Trolls? That's a bit of an insult for Trolls. I think Greavsie has found his level. Why, Trolls has not been successful when in charge with us or Cardiff. Think only times he has been in charge at a club. Great coaches do not always make great managers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 15:11:57 GMT
That's a bit of an insult for Trolls. I think Greavsie has found his level. Why, Trolls has not been successful when in charge with us or Cardiff. Think only times he has been in charge at a club. Great coaches do not always make great managers. I never said they do and if you look back you would see that I said I would welcome Trolls back but with a younger DOF than Lennie. We certainly got it right with Lennie and Trolls though. Promotion, Lower League Cup Final (can't remember the sponsor) 1/4 finalists in the FA Cup.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 21, 2021 15:16:09 GMT
Why, Trolls has not been successful when in charge with us or Cardiff. Think only times he has been in charge at a club. Great coaches do not always make great managers. I never said they do and if you look back you would see that I said I would welcome Trolls back but with a younger DOF than Lennie. We certainly got it right with Lennie and Trolls though. Promotion, Lower League Cup Final (can't remember the sponsor) 1/4 finalists in the FA Cup. Johnsons Paints at the time I think....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 15:18:38 GMT
I never said they do and if you look back you would see that I said I would welcome Trolls back but with a younger DOF than Lennie. We certainly got it right with Lennie and Trolls though. Promotion, Lower League Cup Final (can't remember the sponsor) 1/4 finalists in the FA Cup. Johnsons Paints at the time I think.... Thanks Chesh, this retirement is making me a lazy bugger, I couldn't be arsed to look it up.
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Post by vaughan on Sept 21, 2021 15:28:16 GMT
Trolls is 50 this season. Does he need a DOF? We just seem to throw these roles around. I am appointing him because he can coach and presumably pick a team and formation. I haven't heard a bad word about him from any of his former Rovers players.
Hargreaves is well respected in the game and knows the Non League inside out. January?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 15:38:40 GMT
Trolls is 50 this season. Does he need a DOF? We just seem to throw these roles around. I am appointing him because he can coach and presumably pick a team and formation. I haven't heard a bad word about him from any of his former Rovers players. Hargreaves is well respected in the game and knows the Non League inside out. January? Greavsie plied his trade as a Football League player and then failed in his only role as a non league manager at Torquay when they actually had a few bob. Leave him to coach the youngsters, he's decent in that role. As for Trolls, yes he would need a DOF just like Tisdale always needed one (Not Tommy Non League Widrington though) My number one choice to take over from Joseph Barton would be Gareth Ainsworth and if he was sensible and turned us down then Kenny Jacket who missed out when we appointed Ian Atkins. I bet both have contracts worth far less than our failing manager.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 21, 2021 15:43:36 GMT
Trolls is 50 this season. Does he need a DOF? We just seem to throw these roles around. I am appointing him because he can coach and presumably pick a team and formation. I haven't heard a bad word about him from any of his former Rovers players. Hargreaves is well respected in the game and knows the Non League inside out. January? Greavsie plied his trade as a Football League player and then failed in his only role as a non league manager at Torquay when they actually had a few bob. Leave him to coach the youngsters, he's decent in that role. As for Trolls, yes he would need a DOF just like Tisdale always needed one (Not Tommy Non League Widrington though) My number one choice to take over from Joseph Barton would be Gareth Ainsworth and if he was sensible and turned us down then Kenny Jacket who missed out when we appointed Ian Atkins. I bet both have contracts worth far less than our failing manager. Hughton for me. Any views Pop?
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Post by gasprom on Sept 21, 2021 16:05:27 GMT
I think Hargreaves could be a very good shout. His time at Torquay doesn’t look good at face value but that doesn’t tell the whole story. He could be the Trolls to Barton’s Ian Atkins (apologies Ian, the similarities end there)
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