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Post by laughinggas on May 10, 2021 13:35:10 GMT
Seems to me some people will scrabble around trying to find ways to make it fine for JB to be our manager. Just speculation on my part, of course. And vice versa.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 13:37:45 GMT
I think the board made an error in not telling Garner he must appoint an experienced assistant - agree with Holmes. Someone coming in (Mesure) equally inexperienced as him was a big problem. The idea of the 'Garner project' was not flawed in itself (Blackpool have done something similar?) but the excecution & recruitment was. Fleetwood gave us a footballing lesson earlier in the season in my view, they looked a really good side, it was men against boys. Thought they looked very good last season too. Just saying. How much was spent, to make Fleetwood that way and will Wael provide the same funding ? No need to answer as we don’t know but can only speculate Up to the last set of made up accounts the owner of Fleetwood was owed £17m. The previous set of accounts showed a small profit due to player sells.
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Post by swissgas on May 10, 2021 14:29:06 GMT
Says me.
That's how it 'appeared' to me based on the squad they assembled.Do you really want to go down this rabbit hole, it's just a distraction from the point, which is that Barton shouldn't be here, not on merit, and he certainly shouldn't have been appointed with a criminal charge hanging over him. Here are 2 examples of how, in my opinion, these things should be handled. Welsh FA are going in to a major championship without their manager. I'm sure you know the back story to that. Candidate in the Police and Crime Commissioner election for Swindon and Wiltshire, Jonathon Seed, who is expected to win the election, will not be allowed to take up the position due to a drink driving conviction some 30 years ago. This one may appear harsh, but it certainly lays down a set of standards for holding this high profile position. So, no evidence then. Similar to the 'Wael cant afford to fund us' debate where it took a fair while for people to finally admit they in fact had no evidence and that they were merely speculating. I think people really should make it clearer when they are merely speculating, that way they wouldn't need to be challenged so much. Makes it easier for everyone. In this particular case, you have no idea what target JB was given by the Fleetwood board, what his playing budget was, what infrastructure they were investing in, what playing costs from the previous season were due, what other financial commitments they had, etc etc etc. No idea whatsoever, but you have labelled it at 'JB blowing £6m' in order to fit your narrative. I hear that archaeologists excavating under Wael's bed have found his old Post Office Savings account book so we should be good for another few months.
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Post by gastower on May 10, 2021 14:42:32 GMT
At least Joey has increased our exposure in the national press.Rod Liddle in yesterdays Times
" In late February.Bristol Rovers were two points clear of the relegation zone and thus feeling somewhat imperilled.So,they sacked their manager and brought in Joey Barton to imbue the side with much needed spine and viscera and esprit de corps. They are now ten points from safety at the bottom of the table and Joeys managerial stats are 17.6 percent.Football has no time for hubris"
Got me thinking though is there any correlation between the number of times you change your manager in one season and the risk of relegation ,Im sure a stato somewhere will have produced a graph
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 10, 2021 15:38:54 GMT
How much was spent, to make Fleetwood that way and will Wael provide the same funding ? No need to answer as we don’t know but can only speculate Up to the last set of made up accounts the owner of Fleetwood was owed £17m. The previous set of accounts showed a small profit due to player sells. Thank you. I have been reading Fleetwoods updates and it’s really quite evident that they are happy to be rid of Barton. They don’t use those words but I think it’s pretty clear what they are saying and doing
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 10, 2021 15:40:40 GMT
So, no evidence then. Similar to the 'Wael cant afford to fund us' debate where it took a fair while for people to finally admit they in fact had no evidence and that they were merely speculating. I think people really should make it clearer when they are merely speculating, that way they wouldn't need to be challenged so much. Makes it easier for everyone. In this particular case, you have no idea what target JB was given by the Fleetwood board, what his playing budget was, what infrastructure they were investing in, what playing costs from the previous season were due, what other financial commitments they had, etc etc etc. No idea whatsoever, but you have labelled it at 'JB blowing £6m' in order to fit your narrative. I hear that archaeologists excavating under Wael's bed have found his old Post Office Savings account book so we should be good for another few months. You little tinker 😂😂😂
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 10, 2021 15:43:03 GMT
At least Joey has increased our exposure in the national press.Rod Liddle in yesterdays Times " In late February.Bristol Rovers were two points clear of the relegation zone and thus feeling somewhat imperilled.So,they sacked their manager and brought in Joey Barton to imbue the side with much needed spine and viscera and esprit de corps. They are now ten points from safety at the bottom of the table and Joeys managerial stats are 17.6 percent.Football has no time for hubris" Got me thinking though is there any correlation between the number of times you change your manager in one season and the risk of relegation ,Im sure a stato somewhere will have produced a graph I would say there is no time for hubris in any walk of life
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Post by knowall on May 10, 2021 16:48:56 GMT
Seems to me some people will scrabble around trying to find ways to make it fine for JB to be our manager. Just speculation on my part, of course. And vice versa. So right Angas
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Post by droitwichgas on May 10, 2021 17:02:09 GMT
How much was spent, to make Fleetwood that way and will Wael provide the same funding ? No need to answer as we don’t know but can only speculate Up to the last set of made up accounts the owner of Fleetwood was owed £17m. The previous set of accounts showed a small profit due to player sells. Who was the manager when Fleetwood made a profit/the players were actually sold? As far as posters desperate for Barton to be dismissed, not surprisingly it's the usual anti Wael suspects, who do they expect Wael to appoint with a better, footballing, pedigree? I can't think of one candidate now that Duff's v. unlikely to leave Cheltenham. PS Can somebody explain to Knowall that we can't be £m's in debt if Wael's already cleared the debts.
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Post by Angas on May 10, 2021 17:40:09 GMT
According to soccerbase, and assuming I'm reading things correctly - Uwe Rossler up to 22nd Feb 2018, followed by John Sheridan to end of season, followed by Joey Barton - manager for 28 days before end of year accounts.
Going by that, if JB was responsible for the profit he truly is a miracle worker.
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Post by swissgas on May 10, 2021 18:21:04 GMT
Up to the last set of made up accounts the owner of Fleetwood was owed £17m. The previous set of accounts showed a small profit due to player sells. Who was the manager when Fleetwood made a profit/the players were actually sold? As far as posters desperate for Barton to be dismissed, not surprisingly it's the usual anti Wael suspects, who do they expect Wael to appoint with a better, footballing, pedigree? I can't think of one candidate now that Duff's v. unlikely to leave Cheltenham. PS Can somebody explain to Knowall that we can't be £m's in debt if Wael's already cleared the debts. At June 30th 2019 Rovers accounts showed we owed roughly £ 16 million to Dwane Sports and £4 million to other creditors making a total of £ 20 million debt. In June 2020 Wael said he had capitalized £18 million which was "most of the debt" and written off £2 million in interest making a total of £ 20 million, the same figure as the 2019 debt. So we need to consider what extra debt has been accumulated between July 2019 and now. Bearing in mind the operating loss for 2019 was £ 3.4 million before interest, and that included profit of £ 573 K on player sales, it is safe to estimate the loss for 2019/2020 would be at least £ 3.5 million. Then we have the operating losses for 20/21 which, even with the JCH profit, are likely to be around £ 3 million. Add to that the estimated £ 3 million which the club estimate the pandemic has cost plus the estimated £2 million spent on the training ground and you come to a figure of £ 11.5 million which Dwane Sports have probably had to loan the club to keep it afloat.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 10, 2021 19:23:07 GMT
If Knowall and you want the club to be run breaking even we may as well start preparing for life in the National League again as virtually every club makes a loss.
As far as the the training ground, unless you've seen the club accounts, like the rest of us, you've no idea how that is being funded by DS.
PS I'm still waiting for names of potential out of work managers to replace Barton.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 20:20:31 GMT
If Knowall and you want the club to be run breaking even we may as well start preparing for life in the National League again as virtually every club makes a loss. As far as the the training ground, unless you've seen the club accounts, like the rest of us, you've no idea how that is being funded by DS. PS I'm still waiting for names of potential out of work managers to replace Barton. Kenny Jackett
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 20:22:27 GMT
If Knowall and you want the club to be run breaking even we may as well start preparing for life in the National League again as virtually every club makes a loss. As far as the the training ground, unless you've seen the club accounts, like the rest of us, you've no idea how that is being funded by DS. PS I'm still waiting for names of potential out of work managers to replace Barton. Tisdale. Decent manager. Leave him alone to do the job and he'll do OK.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 10, 2021 20:29:15 GMT
If Knowall and you want the club to be run breaking even we may as well start preparing for life in the National League again as virtually every club makes a loss. As far as the the training ground, unless you've seen the club accounts, like the rest of us, you've no idea how that is being funded by DS. PS I'm still waiting for names of potential out of work managers to replace Barton. Tisdale. Decent manager. Leave him alone to do the job and he'll do OK. Pretty sure he was left alone to sign a striker in January, I also assume it was his decision to let Davies join Barrow.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 10, 2021 20:31:32 GMT
If Knowall and you want the club to be run breaking even we may as well start preparing for life in the National League again as virtually every club makes a loss. As far as the the training ground, unless you've seen the club accounts, like the rest of us, you've no idea how that is being funded by DS. PS I'm still waiting for names of potential out of work managers to replace Barton. Kenny Jackett Even with an unlimited budget, by L1 standards, he could never get Pompey promoted, although why would he consider joining a club our size in L2, like Paul Cook he'll sit and wait for a decent offer from an L1 side.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 20:34:16 GMT
If Knowall and you want the club to be run breaking even we may as well start preparing for life in the National League again as virtually every club makes a loss. As far as the the training ground, unless you've seen the club accounts, like the rest of us, you've no idea how that is being funded by DS. PS I'm still waiting for names of potential out of work managers to replace Barton. Tisdale. Decent manager. Leave him alone to do the job and he'll do OK. I agree decent manager but was never the right choice for Rovers. I said that at the time of his appointment but was angered at the way he left the club and the lack of time he was given. The fact that he wows never going to be given the time required is why I knew he was the wrong choice. Our Joey gets us relegated and is given time (hopefully). At least Tisdale left us outside the relegation zone so Our Joey's relegation won't register on his CV.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 20:35:42 GMT
Even with an unlimited budget, by L1 standards, he could never get Pompey promoted, although why would he consider joining a club our size in L2, like Paul Cook he'll sit and wait for a decent offer from an L1 side. He applied before when we were in League 2. Look at his entire managerial record it's decent as is he as a human being.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 20:36:59 GMT
Tisdale. Decent manager. Leave him alone to do the job and he'll do OK. Pretty sure he was left alone to sign a striker in January, I also assume it was his decision to let Davies join Barrow. Your evidence for either of those things would be? Zilch is the answer, other than it would support your presuppositions.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 20:39:04 GMT
Pretty sure he was left alone to sign a striker in January, I also assume it was his decision to let Davies join Barrow. Your evidence for either of those things would be? Zilch is the answer, other than it would support your presuppositions. I wonder if the truth will ever come out. Damn NDA's but there are enough clues out there including the DOF stating categorically that we already had enough goals in the team "100%"
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