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Post by eppinggas on Apr 23, 2021 15:18:34 GMT
Joey Barton could go back on an anger management courseBy Charlie Bennett, Reporter | 6y Queens Park Rangers midfielder Joey Barton could go back on an anger management course, according to manager Chris Ramsey. Barton received his ninth career red card for hitting Hull City's Tom Huddlestone on Saturday, and Ramsey said that he will speak to the player about a solution. He told reporters: "[Anger management] is something I would discuss with the player and see what he is open to and wanted to do. "He's an intelligent lad and I'm sure he would be open to anything that he thought could help him. I wouldn't push anything his way. We'll have a discussion in the cold light of day away from this incident and see where we go next." Barton underwent behavioural management therapy in 2005. www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/qpr/news/barton-could-go-on-anger-course_207207.html Thanks Angas. So he did have behavioural management therapy 16 years ago. Good, a step in the right direction. It would appear not to have worked particularly well looking at the 'charge sheet' from 2006 onwards.
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Post by Angas on Apr 23, 2021 16:27:45 GMT
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Post by swissgas on Apr 23, 2021 17:40:37 GMT
Wael is putting his faith in Joey B based on his personality and opinion but absolutely not because management achievement. It's an 'all in' approach given that he'd prefer to have a mass exodus of players and staff to allow Joey B to then implement his plan with his players/personnel. I just wonder if he has a plan and if said plan was made based on input from others or if it's been drawn up on the back of a cigar packet based on opinion. How will Wael review Joey B's plan given his last review of a plan from Benny G didn't identify the obvious weaknesses which many supporters could see coming. If or when the Joey B experiment doesn't work out or comes to its natural end then what's the next step? Do we seek someone as 'charismatic' to maintain whatever chaotic culture has been installed? Should we already prepare an offer for Martin Allen to parachute in when Joey resigns, is sacked or becomes unavailable for other reasons? One thing that really interests me will be what player will want to join Joey compared to other options they have. I fear we will have to offer more to compensate the incoming players for the chaos culture that we now have as a club. The 12+ players who will leave the club are hardly going to encourage any future potential players to join the club. Looking forward to Nile Ranger being the first signing. Gasheads were very quick to embrace "Wael's philosophy" which was the very simple "we are going to bring in young players to develop and then sell them for a profit" Now we are suddenly ditching that one and adopting "Barton's philosophy" which is based on the highly ingenious "we are going to bring in players who can win football matches" And it is being claimed that this "Barton's philosophy" will not only win football matches but also create an entirely new permanent culture at the club so that when the great man leaves his legacy will be carried on by all future managers Ad infinitum. To test this theory I thought it might be as well to see what happened at Fleetwood Town after he left and whether "Barton's philosophy is still going strong there. So a quick glance at the Blackpool Gazette's coverage of Simon Grayson being appointed on a permanent basis reveals this. "The 51-year-old signed a deal until the end of the season as Town's head coach but has done a fine job since being in charge and is now signing a new 'long term' deal at the club. His assistant David Dunn has also signed a new deal. He started off with a win, draw and loss in his opening three games and has steadied the ship at Fleetwood. Town had been on a six game unbeaten run, including four wins, prior to their loss against Swindon Town last time out which had fired them towards looking towards the play-off places. Grayson has dealt with a lot of off-field matters which those on the outside may not have seen. The calming influence of the experienced boss has made a good impression on everyone at the club and he has brought the squad together and found some consistent form. The aim for the Yorkshireman will be to earn promotion from League One for the fifth time in his career, having previously done so with Blackpool, Huddersfield Town, Leeds Untied and Preston North End. With a big summer ahead for Town, they now know the man in charge for it and it can provide them with greater stability as they look to reshape their squad for next season."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 18:13:37 GMT
Couple more too which may be of interest
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Post by swissgas on Apr 23, 2021 18:44:04 GMT
Couple more too which may be of interest
Blimey that's a bit weak contradiction. Young player praises boss and manager praises fellow manager versus owner fires failing manager and brings in calming influence to provide stability and steady the ship. Can't you find a piece where Andy Pilley is begging Barton to come back to Fleetwood and re-establish his philosophy ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 19:02:14 GMT
Evening Thought it might be useful to dig out a few random reports on JB's time at Fleetwood, as the report you quoted doesnt seem to be about him or the time he was there.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 23, 2021 19:45:02 GMT
It’s really very straightforward. Where we find ourselves, the rebuild and basement challenge ahead, there are far far better managers for us than Joey Barton. Proper manager, proper head on him. A grown up who can get most from all different types of people.
There is not a single Joey Barton advocate who can argue against this.
Joey isn’t someone who knows the basement and what lies below. He doesn’t know the right players to go after., the ones we can realistically bring in. Joey doesn’t have a good football brain (crucial game, Tutonda centre back for the first 20 minutes of his life). His game management is worse than any manager this season. Whilst sulking through the last game he wasn’t even managing!
There are far far far better options out there for this new task in hand.
Go on Joeyfans disagree. Bring it on. Say this is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 19:58:12 GMT
It’s really very straightforward. Where we find ourselves, the rebuild and basement challenge ahead, there are far far better managers for us than Joey Barton. Proper manager, proper head on him. A grown up who can get most from all different types of people. There is not a single Joey Barton advocate who can argue against this. Joey isn’t someone who knows the basement and what lies below. He doesn’t know the right players to go after., the ones we can realistically bring in. Joey doesn’t have a good football brain (crucial game, Tutonda centre back for the first 20 minutes of his life). His game management is worse than any manager this season. Whilst sulking through the last game he wasn’t even managing! There are far far far better options out there for this new task in hand. Go on Joeyfans disagree. Bring it on. Say this is wrong.
No, it isnt right. It isnt wrong either.
You are getting mixed up between fact and opinion.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 23, 2021 19:59:27 GMT
So on the one hand you are willing to accept the law of the land,Judge and jury. On the other you think JB should not be allowed to keep the job,if found guilty. JB may need some help to recognise when he may become violent.Anger management perhaps?Perhaps he has had counselling. As I posted,I can't see him getting more than 12 weeks (8 with good behaviour) ,he might not go down. Anyway,yes,I think Rovers could keep him Manager if he's found guilty of ABH. Point 1. Yes, 100%. Point 2. Yes, 100%. Even if Wael doesn't relieve him of his duties, I can't see the EFL taking a back seat on this one. Unless you mean "On the other you think JB should not be allowed to keep the job, if found INNOCENT? This is a matter for Wael Al-Qadi. Point 3. Is there any record of him having anger management therapy? It would appear he needs it. Our streets would be a safer place to walk when violent men learn to control their temper. I honestly hope Mr Barton finds a path to redemption and becomes a respected and valuable member of our society. I just don't want him any where near Bristol Rovers until he has achieved it. Point 4. This has gone to Crown Court, where a maximum sentence of 5 years can be administered. He already has a two criminal convictions for assault - 6 months (served 77 days) and 4 months (suspended). I spoke with JP recently and she thought a custodial sentence would be inescapable. Point 5. Speechless. On the last point, I actually agree with Bas, I think we should all want Joey kept on after he is jailed. If the board made a mistake of that magnitude, I think that is our best option of getting rid of them quite quickly. the national media will be salivating. 🤤 The column inches and media moralising placing pressure on our owners will be enorrrrrrrrmous. Not a Stokesy drunken late night scuffle with another bad seed, cold sober unprovoked violence on a manager in a football ground. Yes. Please keep him on when sent to prison. Bye bye Wael. Bye bye board. Bye bye Wael’s reputation in the world of football, because that will stay on his CV.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 23, 2021 20:00:31 GMT
It’s really very straightforward. Where we find ourselves, the rebuild and basement challenge ahead, there are far far better managers for us than Joey Barton. Proper manager, proper head on him. A grown up who can get most from all different types of people. There is not a single Joey Barton advocate who can argue against this. Joey isn’t someone who knows the basement and what lies below. He doesn’t know the right players to go after., the ones we can realistically bring in. Joey doesn’t have a good football brain (crucial game, Tutonda centre back for the first 20 minutes of his life). His game management is worse than any manager this season. Whilst sulking through the last game he wasn’t even managing! There are far far far better options out there for this new task in hand. Go on Joeyfans disagree. Bring it on. Say this is wrong.
No, it isnt right. It isnt wrong either.
You are getting mixed up between fact and opinion.
LOL. 😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 20:10:38 GMT
I think the point is, whether there are others out there or not is not relevent - JB is our manager, and is tasked with sorting it.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 23, 2021 20:39:43 GMT
I think the point is, whether there are others out there or not is not relevent - JB is our manager, and is tasked with sorting it. Wael has made up his mind then. If Tommy and Martyn leave do you think James Lees and Ivor Jenkins might come in to join Eddy Jennings on the board ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 21:01:19 GMT
Point 1. Yes, 100%. Point 2. Yes, 100%. Even if Wael doesn't relieve him of his duties, I can't see the EFL taking a back seat on this one. Unless you mean "On the other you think JB should not be allowed to keep the job, if found INNOCENT? This is a matter for Wael Al-Qadi. Point 3. Is there any record of him having anger management therapy? It would appear he needs it. Our streets would be a safer place to walk when violent men learn to control their temper. I honestly hope Mr Barton finds a path to redemption and becomes a respected and valuable member of our society. I just don't want him any where near Bristol Rovers until he has achieved it. Point 4. This has gone to Crown Court, where a maximum sentence of 5 years can be administered. He already has a two criminal convictions for assault - 6 months (served 77 days) and 4 months (suspended). I spoke with JP recently and she thought a custodial sentence would be inescapable. Point 5. Speechless. On the last point, I actually agree with Bas, I think we should all want Joey kept on after he is jailed. If the board made a mistake of that magnitude, I think that is our best option of getting rid of them quite quickly. the national media will be salivating. 🤤 The column inches and media moralising placing pressure on our owners will be enorrrrrrrrmous. Not a Stokesy drunken late night scuffle with another bad seed, cold sober unprovoked violence on a manager in a football ground. Yes. Please keep him on when sent to prison. Bye bye Wael. Bye bye board. Bye bye Wael’s reputation in the world of football, because that will stay on his CV. Good grief. Have you been on the cooking bleach?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 23, 2021 21:30:03 GMT
On the last point, I actually agree with Bas, I think we should all want Joey kept on after he is jailed. If the board made a mistake of that magnitude, I think that is our best option of getting rid of them quite quickly. the national media will be salivating. 🤤 The column inches and media moralising placing pressure on our owners will be enorrrrrrrrmous. Not a Stokesy drunken late night scuffle with another bad seed, cold sober unprovoked violence on a manager in a football ground. Yes. Please keep him on when sent to prison. Bye bye Wael. Bye bye board. Bye bye Wael’s reputation in the world of football, because that will stay on his CV. Good grief. Have you been on the cooking bleach? if he is found guilty and jailed, what do you think the media is going to do? What do you think the media is going to do to employer who doesn’t sack him? the cause of the worst year ever for Rovers is not Tis or Garner, it’s the board. If you want them gone, pray for them to stand by Joey. the longer Joey stays now, the less chance the board surviving. There is no way on team and match management Joey has shown us he can possible be a success here in these circumstances, that die is already cast. All fans should be behind Joey getting the boards backing long into the future, the naive ones who still think he has the head of a football manager, and the other group who till now have been moaning and moralising about Joey who should now realise the longer he stays, he shreds the boards credibility and destroys them. There is no way I want it amicably settled before 7th June at the earliest. The best way of saving the club and getting our rovers back is Joey taking the board down with him. There is huge opportunity for that now, I urge all Barton moaners to follow my lead and embrace it.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 23, 2021 21:33:11 GMT
I think the point is, whether there are others out there or not is not relevent - JB is our manager, and is tasked with sorting it. LOL. Tis was sacked for less. Where were you when that happened? Where we find ourselves, the rebuild and basement challenge ahead, there are far far better managers for us than Joey Barton. Proper manager, proper head on him. A grown up who can get most from all different types of people. Joey isn’t someone who knows the basement and what lies below. He doesn’t know the right players to go after., the ones we can realistically bring in. Joey doesn’t have a good football brain (crucial game, Tutonda centre back for the first 20 minutes of his life). His game management is worse than any manager this season. Whilst sulking through the last game he wasn’t even managing! There is not a single Joey Barton advocate who can argue against replacing him from a wide field of better options.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 21:56:14 GMT
It's fair to say that opinion is that Barton isn't a liked person. In fact, mostly people seem rather happy that he's failed. Scroll down to the comments. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56781897This is how people around the country are viewing our club thanks to you Wael. Diabolical decision to bring the bloke here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 22:05:23 GMT
Good grief. Have you been on the cooking bleach? if he is found guilty and jailed, what do you think the media is going to do? What do you think the media is going to do to employer who doesn’t sack him? the cause of the worst year ever for Rovers is not Tis or Garner, it’s the board. If you want them gone, pray for them to stand by Joey. the longer Joey stays now, the less chance the board surviving. There is no way on team and match management Joey has shown us he can possible be a success here in these circumstances, that die is already cast. All fans should be behind Joey getting the boards backing long into the future, the naive ones who still think he has the head of a football manager, and the other group who till now have been moaning and moralising about Joey who should now realise the longer he stays, he shreds the boards credibility and destroys them. There is no way I want it amicably settled before 7th June at the earliest. The best way of saving the club and getting our rovers back is Joey taking the board down with him. There is huge opportunity for that now, I urge all Barton moaners to follow my lead and embrace it. Wales are going in to a major tournament without their manager in similar circumstances.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Apr 25, 2021 6:10:50 GMT
<brought the squad together and found some consistent form>
There we have it. Barton has done the opposite and has also divided the fanbase into idolizers and haters with nothing in between. He hasn't earned the right to stay for the final two games let alone ten games into next season.
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Post by The Concept on Apr 25, 2021 7:20:52 GMT
I found this about Growth Pod. Not sure it quite tallies with our Joey's approach? For some reason the link won't post. So copy reads:- About us
Growth Pod is a well-being training company. We specialise in developing authentic leaders to create high performing workplaces by teaching them how to put their employee's well-being and development first. The average person spends over a third of their life in the workplace. How well we feel in our workplaces impacts on our whole lives. Leading an organisation is a privilege, not a right, leaders have a duty to ensure the employees they serve have an enriched, supportive environment that enables them to flourish. When leaders are able to embed Simon Sinek’s ethos that leadership is not about being in charge but taking care of those in their charge the world changes. Workers are supported to be and do their best, innovate, grow and develop. When their well-being is put first this not only enables them to produce their best work but to also be the best version of themselves. When we feel good in our work, it extends out, impacting on our families, friends and wider communities, it makes the world a better place. We develop leaders through training, coaching and consultancy who understand the wider social and moral impact of their leadership so they can develop workplaces where not only their employees flourish and thrive but their business and the world does too. Wow! Has JB actually been on this course himself?!? I wonder what ME would say, after receiving a public character assassination. I wonder what the naughty substitutes think, the training staff, the medical employees, pretty much the whole team ... It's almost laughable.
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Post by The Concept on Apr 25, 2021 7:59:32 GMT
JB's post match interview from Pompey.
After slouching on the advertising boards mid-week, the body language isn't good again - head down, scratching his boots on the ground. When posted on the facebook pages, the vast majority of the replies are supportive of JB, saying it was a great interview, and things along the lines of they love he's 'brutally honest' and 'at last we have someone who says it as it is'.
Some key lines:
"Don't think I'll ever accept that this is a relegation on my CV..."
"We could be out here all day, we ain't gonna score a goal with what we've got going on at this moment."
"As soon as this season is done and dusted, if I could finish it tomorrow, I'd get rid of them all..."
"There's moments where you go: there's nothing we can do about that, we can't coach that."
"Look, they're good kids; they're not bad lads."
"Empty the whole building out and start again."
"We've got a losing dressing room, and I don't like hanging around with losers, I don't like associating myself with losers, and I certainly don't want them in my football club."
"The team that turns up in August ... will be unrecognisable..."
"People are going to lose their jobs."
The problem is, he will have a lot of players still under contract. Are they going to want to work for a manager who has said these things about them?
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