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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 22, 2021 21:23:31 GMT
But hanlon had 20 goals in him, according to Joseph. You are falling for his excuses, he had one job but instead of motivation, support and help, he has ostracised, criticised and excused. Sorry but I beg to differ. Serious question, would you give him carte Blanche , to rebuild the club, after already spunking 20 odd million to be back to the 4th tier ? His continuation of 3 at the back & a loan striker didn’t help. Left Daly to rot when he seemed to be one who could deal with a 6 yarder. I can’t see, i honestly cannot see not understand why so many feel Joseph has the tactical nous to pick a good formation nor change it up, with substitutes in good time. This is just bizarre, that people are still not seeing HIS errors Managers say things to motivate players. I don't think JB realised just how poor the squad is,until a few games in. He has tried various ways to drag performance out of them.All to no avail. In the scenario JB is allowed to Boss,backed by WAQ,then I think we'll challenge in the 4th tier. We are all entitled to an opinion Basel. Just because I disagree, doesn’t make it wrong. I see absolutely nothing to make me believe he is anything but a vocal chancer
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Post by chelt_gas on Apr 23, 2021 3:36:22 GMT
Wael is putting his faith in Joey B based on his personality and opinion but absolutely not because management achievement. It's an 'all in' approach given that he'd prefer to have a mass exodus of players and staff to allow Joey B to then implement his plan with his players/personnel. I just wonder if he has a plan and if said plan was made based on input from others or if it's been drawn up on the back of a cigar packet based on opinion. How will Wael review Joey B's plan given his last review of a plan from Benny G didn't identify the obvious weaknesses which many supporters could see coming.
If or when the Joey B experiment doesn't work out or comes to its natural end then what's the next step? Do we seek someone as 'charismatic' to maintain whatever chaotic culture has been installed? Should we already prepare an offer for Martin Allen to parachute in when Joey resigns, is sacked or becomes unavailable for other reasons?
One thing that really interests me will be what player will want to join Joey compared to other options they have. I fear we will have to offer more to compensate the incoming players for the chaos culture that we now have as a club. The 12+ players who will leave the club are hardly going to encourage any future potential players to join the club.
Looking forward to Nile Ranger being the first signing.
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Post by basel on Apr 23, 2021 6:39:54 GMT
Wael is putting his faith in Joey B based on his personality and opinion but absolutely not because management achievement. It's an 'all in' approach given that he'd prefer to have a mass exodus of players and staff to allow Joey B to then implement his plan with his players/personnel. I just wonder if he has a plan and if said plan was made based on input from others or if it's been drawn up on the back of a cigar packet based on opinion. How will Wael review Joey B's plan given his last review of a plan from Benny G didn't identify the obvious weaknesses which many supporters could see coming. If or when the Joey B experiment doesn't work out or comes to its natural end then what's the next step? Do we seek someone as 'charismatic' to maintain whatever chaotic culture has been installed? Should we already prepare an offer for Martin Allen to parachute in when Joey resigns, is sacked or becomes unavailable for other reasons? One thing that really interests me will be what player will want to join Joey compared to other options they have. I fear we will have to offer more to compensate the incoming players for the chaos culture that we now have as a club. The 12+ players who will leave the club are hardly going to encourage any future potential players to join the club. Looking forward to Nile Ranger being the first signing. Chelts,your first sentence is abit much,is'nt it?.WAQ has'nt taken into consideration JBs managerial ability!Really! Many managers work better with their own coaching staff. JB will keep current players he thinks will do a job with the players he intends to sign. JBs pkan will no doubt have similarities to his Fleetwood Town days.Play offs reached. I imagine Rovers dealings in the transfer market might be better than usual.I read on the other forum someone claiming JB does'nt know lower league players,not a broad enough listing.I think this rubbish. I think the posters personal dislike of JB has clouded his judgement and he's resorted to making things up.Finance will of course dictate proceedings at the 'Summer Sales',but JBs contacts may come up with some good uns.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 23, 2021 8:02:36 GMT
Wael is putting his faith in Joey B based on his personality and opinion but absolutely not because management achievement. It's an 'all in' approach given that he'd prefer to have a mass exodus of players and staff to allow Joey B to then implement his plan with his players/personnel. I just wonder if he has a plan and if said plan was made based on input from others or if it's been drawn up on the back of a cigar packet based on opinion. How will Wael review Joey B's plan given his last review of a plan from Benny G didn't identify the obvious weaknesses which many supporters could see coming. If or when the Joey B experiment doesn't work out or comes to its natural end then what's the next step? Do we seek someone as 'charismatic' to maintain whatever chaotic culture has been installed? Should we already prepare an offer for Martin Allen to parachute in when Joey resigns, is sacked or becomes unavailable for other reasons? One thing that really interests me will be what player will want to join Joey compared to other options they have. I fear we will have to offer more to compensate the incoming players for the chaos culture that we now have as a club. The 12+ players who will leave the club are hardly going to encourage any future potential players to join the club. Looking forward to Nile Ranger being the first signing. Chelts,your first sentence is abit much,is'nt it?.WAQ has'nt taken into consideration JBs managerial ability!Really! Many managers work better with their own coaching staff. JB will keep current players he thinks will do a job with the players he intends to sign. JBs pkan will no doubt have similarities to his Fleetwood Town days.Play offs reached. I imagine Rovers dealings in the transfer market might be better than usual.I read on the other forum someone claiming JB does'nt know lower league players,not a broad enough listing.I think this rubbish. I think the posters personal dislike of JB has clouded his judgement and he's resorted to making things up.Finance will of course dictate proceedings at the 'Summer Sales',but JBs contacts may come up with some good uns. Fleetwood only got a play off berth due to ppg and not in reality. He has had no success with them as I have already explained but he doesn’t half keep on, that he he did @thinwhiteduke writes, he left them with 6 million of debt too and this was a business savvy club, prior to his arrival. He is making power plays already as he obviously wants total control on all things football I don’t like his past record for violence but want Rovers to win but I’ve seen nothing from him, to suggest he knows how to motivate and set up plus awful with substitutions. I really do not understand why many are not questioning this and his public berating of the captain and calling the club cancerous. He is a rookie, one previous club and I obviously missed all this success, that he purports to have had. His stats, with the same players, are worse than dear Ben and Paul Tisdale Can you not see this or are you ignoring it and falling for his plethora of excuses and bizarre rants ?
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Post by basel on Apr 23, 2021 8:17:16 GMT
Chelts,your first sentence is abit much,is'nt it?.WAQ has'nt taken into consideration JBs managerial ability!Really! Many managers work better with their own coaching staff. JB will keep current players he thinks will do a job with the players he intends to sign. JBs pkan will no doubt have similarities to his Fleetwood Town days.Play offs reached. I imagine Rovers dealings in the transfer market might be better than usual.I read on the other forum someone claiming JB does'nt know lower league players,not a broad enough listing.I think this rubbish. I think the posters personal dislike of JB has clouded his judgement and he's resorted to making things up.Finance will of course dictate proceedings at the 'Summer Sales',but JBs contacts may come up with some good uns. Fleetwood only got a play off berth due to ppg and not in reality. He has had no success with them as I have already explained but he doesn’t half keep on, that he he did @thinwhiteduke writes, he left them with 6 million of debt too and this was a business savvy club, prior to his arrival. He is making power plays already as he obviously wants total control on all things football I don’t like his past record for violence but want Rovers to win but I’ve seen nothing from him, to suggest he knows how to motivate and set up plus awful with substitutions. I really do not understand why many are not questioning this and his public berating of the captain and calling the club cancerous. He is a rookie, one previous club and I obviously missed all this success, that he purports to have had. His stats, with the same players, are worse than dear Ben and Paul Tisdale Can you not see this or are you ignoring it and falling for his plethora of excuses and bizarre rants ? It was of course an unusual season,but JB had FTFC in a play off place. Rovers might of done at least the same if we had supported and kept GC.Thing was,winning the midfield battle was'nt good enough for some Gasheads.They had seen Barca on their tellies and that was the way to go. I think JB is probably right about the mechanics of Bristol Rovers and if his style is to publicly point it out,then that's fine by me.We're a mess!It needs sorting.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 23, 2021 8:29:48 GMT
But hanlon had 20 goals in him, according to Joseph. You are falling for his excuses, he had one job but instead of motivation, support and help, he has ostracised, criticised and excused. Sorry but I beg to differ. Serious question, would you give him carte Blanche , to rebuild the club, after already spunking 20 odd million to be back to the 4th tier ? His continuation of 3 at the back & a loan striker didn’t help. Left Daly to rot when he seemed to be one who could deal with a 6 yarder. I can’t see, i honestly cannot see not understand why so many feel Joseph has the tactical nous to pick a good formation nor change it up, with substitutes in good time. This is just bizarre, that people are still not seeing HIS errors Managers say things to motivate players. I don't think JB realised just how poor the squad is,until a few games in. He has tried various ways to drag performance out of them.All to no avail. In the scenario JB is allowed to Boss,backed by WAQ,then I think we'll challenge in the 4th tier.We are all entitled to our opinion Bas. But I have to ask you. Your opinion is based on what, exactly?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 8:34:44 GMT
Chelts,your first sentence is abit much,is'nt it?.WAQ has'nt taken into consideration JBs managerial ability!Really! Many managers work better with their own coaching staff. JB will keep current players he thinks will do a job with the players he intends to sign. JBs pkan will no doubt have similarities to his Fleetwood Town days.Play offs reached. I imagine Rovers dealings in the transfer market might be better than usual.I read on the other forum someone claiming JB does'nt know lower league players,not a broad enough listing.I think this rubbish. I think the posters personal dislike of JB has clouded his judgement and he's resorted to making things up.Finance will of course dictate proceedings at the 'Summer Sales',but JBs contacts may come up with some good uns. Fleetwood only got a play off berth due to ppg and not in reality. He has had no success with them as I have already explained but he doesn’t half keep on, that he he did @thinwhiteduke writes, he left them with 6 million of debt too and this was a business savvy club, prior to his arrival. He is making power plays already as he obviously wants total control on all things football I don’t like his past record for violence but want Rovers to win but I’ve seen nothing from him, to suggest he knows how to motivate and set up plus awful with substitutions. I really do not understand why many are not questioning this and his public berating of the captain and calling the club cancerous. He is a rookie, one previous club and I obviously missed all this success, that he purports to have had. His stats, with the same players, are worse than dear Ben and Paul Tisdale Can you not see this or are you ignoring it and falling for his plethora of excuses and bizarre rants ? KP. The losses at Fleetwood were £5,950,000 for one year, we'll know what they were for last season when those accounts are published, but it's probably reasonable to assume that they'll be quite large again. As you rightly point out, all he's achieved here is to take a bad situation and to make it much worse. I honestly can't understand why supporters aren't unanimously calling for his head. We've employed the Yosser Hughes of football management, all the self confidence in the world, but no sign of any ability to back that confidence up.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 23, 2021 8:49:55 GMT
Managers say things to motivate players. I don't think JB realised just how poor the squad is,until a few games in. He has tried various ways to drag performance out of them.All to no avail. In the scenario JB is allowed to Boss,backed by WAQ,then I think we'll challenge in the 4th tier.We are all entitled to our opinion Bas. But I have to ask you. Your opinion is based on what, exactly? Spot on. You have nailed it Epps. Barton is a failed Rookie manager. It’s irrational to have any faith in him. now we are down let’s go for a proper manager for the rebuild. One that isn’t a failed rookie to start with. One who does things by the book, treats people fairly, can admit mistakes. THERES LOADS OUT THERE WHO CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF REBUILD THAN BARTON. and, now is the moment, not ten games into next season, if the board have learnt anything from their mistakes. only real threat and fear players should feel is if you are not performing you are out the team. Aside from that, managers should back them publicly, and treat them decently.
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Post by basel on Apr 23, 2021 8:49:58 GMT
Managers say things to motivate players. I don't think JB realised just how poor the squad is,until a few games in. He has tried various ways to drag performance out of them.All to no avail. In the scenario JB is allowed to Boss,backed by WAQ,then I think we'll challenge in the 4th tier.We are all entitled to our opinion Bas. But I have to ask you. Your opinion is based on what, exactly? JBs passion,experience,commonsense,his disgust at the idiots and their chewing tobacco,he says it how he sees it,you perform or your out strategy, he wanted Rovers job,experience as a player,the clubs he played for showed him what's what. We need this useless mess sorting out. I think a man that can see Bristol Rovers are a mess ,has stated so,knows how to put it right.
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 23, 2021 8:56:26 GMT
The majority in any organisation can see faults, very few can see the way forward to answer all the issues.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 23, 2021 8:57:29 GMT
We are all entitled to our opinion Bas. But I have to ask you. Your opinion is based on what, exactly? JBs passion,experience,commonsense,his disgust at the idiots and their chewing tobacco,he says it how he sees it,you perform or your out strategy, he wanted Rovers job,experience as a player,the clubs he played for showed him what's what. We need this useless mess sorting out. I think a man that can see Bristol Rovers are a mess ,has stated so,knows how to put it right. I think we'll have to politely agree to differ on the qualities that Mr Barton brings Bristol Rovers FC. Hopefully a short time after June 7th, it will become a moot point.
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Post by basel on Apr 23, 2021 9:11:42 GMT
JBs passion,experience,commonsense,his disgust at the idiots and their chewing tobacco,he says it how he sees it,you perform or your out strategy, he wanted Rovers job,experience as a player,the clubs he played for showed him what's what. We need this useless mess sorting out. I think a man that can see Bristol Rovers are a mess ,has stated so,knows how to put it right. I think we'll have to politely agree to differ on the qualities that Mr Barton brings Bristol Rovers FC. Hopefully a short time after June 7th, it will become a moot point. So you hope Rovers manager gets sentenced to prison? Nice. In the scenario that happens I hope WAQ continues to back JB who can still run the show from jail (unlucky for you it'll probably be a short sentence if any time at all),transfer targets can still be targeted,etc. Personally I would even consider visiting the bloke inside.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 23, 2021 10:04:15 GMT
I think we'll have to politely agree to differ on the qualities that Mr Barton brings Bristol Rovers FC. Hopefully a short time after June 7th, it will become a moot point. So you hope Rovers manager gets sentenced to prison? Nice. In the scenario that happens I hope WAQ continues to back JB who can still run the show from jail (unlucky for you it'll probably be a short sentence if any time at all),transfer targets can still be targeted,etc. Personally I would even consider visiting the bloke inside. Not quite Bas. I hope that justice is done. I have faith in the CPS and the judiciary. If he is innocent, then fine. Seriously - fine. He will likely remain Bristol Rovers manager and we will see what project Barton delivers. He failed at Fleetwood - a well run Club, with good infrastructure and a healthy budget. Based on this (and what I have witnessed in the 2 months he has been our manager), I think he will fail at Bristol Rovers. Which is a poorly run Club, with poor infrastructure and a smaller budget. If he is guilty, it is very hard not to see a custodial sentence. At that point, I believe it will be a moot point. You seriously think Bristol Rovers can employ him in the managers position if he has been sentenced to prison for ABH? Seriously?
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Post by irishrover on Apr 23, 2021 10:43:00 GMT
So you hope Rovers manager gets sentenced to prison? Nice. In the scenario that happens I hope WAQ continues to back JB who can still run the show from jail (unlucky for you it'll probably be a short sentence if any time at all),transfer targets can still be targeted,etc. Personally I would even consider visiting the bloke inside. Not quite Bas. I hope that justice is done. I have faith in the CPS and the judiciary. If he is innocent, then fine. Seriously - fine. He will likely remain Bristol Rovers manager and we will see what project Barton delivers. He failed at Fleetwood - a well run Club, with good infrastructure and a healthy budget. Based on this (and what I have witnessed in the 2 months he has been our manager), I think he will fail at Bristol Rovers. Which is a poorly run Club, with poor infrastructure and a smaller budget. If he is guilty, it is very hard not to see a custodial sentence. At that point, I believe it will be a moot point. You seriously think Bristol Rovers can employ him in the managers position if he has been sentenced to prison for ABH? Seriously? Barton has proven pretty good at burning things down throughout his whole football career. But there has never been any evidence that he's capable of building anything - including for himself. Any idiot can rant and rave at how crap stuff is - and in fact most managers do at some point, normally it's a sign they have lost the plot not that there's some grand plan. Any idiot can big themselves and their abilities up at every opportunity. None of that actually amounts to doing anything useful though. The successful people who are capable and confident in their abilities to change things for the better don't bleat about things- they just get on with fixing them. The unsuccessful, but endlessly self-promoting (which football is chocked full of), get their excuses in early so they can control the narrative of responsibility away from themselves as much as possible when it all goes down the crapper. So far all I see is the latter from Barton and I fear what he's actually going to 'deliver' here if he gets the chance. His entire career has involved abdicating responsibility for his actions and taking the easy way out in every situation - it's absolute opposite of good leadership. There is no 'hard-ass telling it how it is and speaking truth to power here' - there's a cowardly bulls**t artist trying to pull the wool over as many people's eyes as possible. It's the Emperors New Clothes.
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Post by basel on Apr 23, 2021 10:49:36 GMT
So you hope Rovers manager gets sentenced to prison? Nice. In the scenario that happens I hope WAQ continues to back JB who can still run the show from jail (unlucky for you it'll probably be a short sentence if any time at all),transfer targets can still be targeted,etc. Personally I would even consider visiting the bloke inside. Not quite Bas. I hope that justice is done. I have faith in the CPS and the judiciary. If he is innocent, then fine. Seriously - fine. He will likely remain Bristol Rovers manager and we will see what project Barton delivers. He failed at Fleetwood - a well run Club, with good infrastructure and a healthy budget. Based on this (and what I have witnessed in the 2 months he has been our manager), I think he will fail at Bristol Rovers. Which is a poorly run Club, with poor infrastructure and a smaller budget. If he is guilty, it is very hard not to see a custodial sentence. At that point, I believe it will be a moot point. You seriously think Bristol Rovers can employ him in the managers position if he has been sentenced to prison for ABH? Seriously? So on the one hand you are willing to accept the law of the land,Judge and jury. On the other you think JB should not be allowed to keep the job,if found guilty. JB may need some help to recognise when he may become violent.Anger management perhaps?Perhaps he has had counselling. As I posted,I can't see him getting more than 12 weeks (8 with good behaviour) ,he might not go down. Anyway,yes,I think Rovers could keep him Manager if he's found guilty of ABH.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 23, 2021 11:14:42 GMT
Not quite Bas. I hope that justice is done. I have faith in the CPS and the judiciary. If he is innocent, then fine. Seriously - fine. He will likely remain Bristol Rovers manager and we will see what project Barton delivers. He failed at Fleetwood - a well run Club, with good infrastructure and a healthy budget. Based on this (and what I have witnessed in the 2 months he has been our manager), I think he will fail at Bristol Rovers. Which is a poorly run Club, with poor infrastructure and a smaller budget. If he is guilty, it is very hard not to see a custodial sentence. At that point, I believe it will be a moot point. You seriously think Bristol Rovers can employ him in the managers position if he has been sentenced to prison for ABH? Seriously? So on the one hand you are willing to accept the law of the land,Judge and jury. On the other you think JB should not be allowed to keep the job,if found guilty. JB may need some help to recognise when he may become violent.Anger management perhaps?Perhaps he has had counselling. As I posted,I can't see him getting more than 12 weeks (8 with good behaviour) ,he might not go down. Anyway,yes,I think Rovers could keep him Manager if he's found guilty of ABH. Point 1. Yes, 100%. Point 2. Yes, 100%. Even if Wael doesn't relieve him of his duties, I can't see the EFL taking a back seat on this one. Unless you mean "On the other you think JB should not be allowed to keep the job, if found INNOCENT? This is a matter for Wael Al-Qadi. Point 3. Is there any record of him having anger management therapy? It would appear he needs it. Our streets would be a safer place to walk when violent men learn to control their temper. I honestly hope Mr Barton finds a path to redemption and becomes a respected and valuable member of our society. I just don't want him any where near Bristol Rovers until he has achieved it. Point 4. This has gone to Crown Court, where a maximum sentence of 5 years can be administered. He already has a two criminal convictions for assault - 6 months (served 77 days) and 4 months (suspended). I spoke with JP recently and she thought a custodial sentence would be inescapable. Point 5. Speechless.
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Post by Angas on Apr 23, 2021 13:00:49 GMT
Joey Barton could go back on an anger management courseBy Charlie Bennett, Reporter | 6y Queens Park Rangers midfielder Joey Barton could go back on an anger management course, according to manager Chris Ramsey. Barton received his ninth career red card for hitting Hull City's Tom Huddlestone on Saturday, and Ramsey said that he will speak to the player about a solution. He told reporters: "[Anger management] is something I would discuss with the player and see what he is open to and wanted to do. "He's an intelligent lad and I'm sure he would be open to anything that he thought could help him. I wouldn't push anything his way. We'll have a discussion in the cold light of day away from this incident and see where we go next." Barton underwent behavioural management therapy in 2005. www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/qpr/news/barton-could-go-on-anger-course_207207.html
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 23, 2021 13:17:35 GMT
Somebody earlier mentioned a "mass exodus of players" - Christ, after watching them this season I really hope so.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Apr 23, 2021 14:43:40 GMT
He should f-off to Newcastle with Widdrington where he'd be useful shadow boxing Bruce back into shape.
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