kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 22, 2021 16:44:51 GMT
Do people write their own Linked In profiles? Re paying his own staff. What I read today suggested that if this is the case, it's on the understanding that they will be put on the payroll before much longer. Maybe he'll get a refund when that happens but he's told us he's got plenty of money so presumably not bothered either way. Seems he's in charge of the whole show, just how he likes it. Yes they do. See my post above Angas. I did 2 profiles, one real one and a totally fake one. I wrote to LinkedIn, asking if they wanted to have copies of job offers, letters of reference etc and was told it was not necessary. You can big yourself up with no care if it’s true or not
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 22, 2021 16:52:00 GMT
If that relates to the England team, they look totally disinterested to me most of the time. But back to Rovers. I 'm not big on this staff motivation stuff. Have seen it in practice, mostly people are hugely cynical and reluctant to get involved, even when those speakers do manage to get a room 'inspired' the people leave, have a short period to reflect and conclude that it was mostly just hot air.Not saying it can't work, and it may be a useful little thing to sit within a well structured, well balanced corporation, but it's not going to fix a business that has structural issues, which is what Barton appears to be suggesting. I wouldn't disagree with you on this, having had some experience of this in my organisation. I imagine it would focus on getting everyone on the same page in Rovers case. Given the DoF role, there is always a potential for conflict. I understand this was the case under Coughlan, obviously was with Tisdale and clearly is the case now. Could potentially be the case with medical/sport science dept too, given the veiled comments of JB and the fact we look knackered come 65 minutes and have been all season, and half the playing squad a seem injured. For what its worth I agree with Vaughan, we need a JB to shake things up on the football side. He is intelligent and articulate, but wont shy away from the difficult conversations. But he is probably a tad too honest for his own good. Has he really been saying much different that supporters have been saying all season? I imagine if people were able to set aside his history they would agree he is the type of character that is needed. Yes, Always a plus when you have a manager who publicly derides the captain that the players voted to have, as captain and keeps on knocking there every effort while excusing himself of any part in it. He was hired to keep us in L1, not to slag of and belittle an already fragile team. There are always going to be the Barton’s and Holloway’s in football but at least Ollie has been successful where Barton has not but would have you believe he was. He had a much bigger budget at Fleetwood too and an infrastructure we could only dream of, which was put in place by a business savvy owner, not him
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Post by swissgas on Apr 22, 2021 17:16:32 GMT
Surely any reasonable Rovers supporter would be interested to know how Chris Gibson helped Joey Barton at Fleetwood Town ? Because whatever help he did give doesn't appear to have worked very well when the outcome was that Barton and his three colleagues were all fired and the club lost 2 1/2 times more than it had ever lost before during the first full year he was in charge. No further evidence required then... You do make me laugh. The fan-base, coming to terms with relegation, will be worried about Lt Col Chris Gibson and the specifics of his role at Fleetwood Town? #AnotherBartonBaddy I could easily leave it there, and perhaps I should, but let me say this. The #AnotherBartonBaddy" and the #WehateeverythingaboutRovers responses aren't very constructive are they ? I mean, we all want what is best for Rovers but differ on how it can be achieved. Not long ago contradiction posted that he thought Wael had messed up on some things but done well on others and that it was about par for the course. To me that conclusion is completely wrong on the basis that over the past five years about £20 million has been put into Rovers and the result has been failure on every front. As a football club, apart from the community section, we are sub par everywhere as Barton has discovered and is now using as his excuse. Chris Gibson is clearly a talented and responsible man and if you asked him about this subject I'm fairly sure his response would be something like " Yes, I did some work for Fleetwood Town and I think it was beneficial to them. Joey has not talked to me in detail about Bristol Rovers but if I can help there then I'll be pleased to do so". That would be a normal, reasonable response wouldn't it ? Not some outrageous claims that can't be backed up and only serve to lead impressionable people into thinking something is there when it's clearly not and which will only bring disappointment. But we, as fans, let it go on and on because we don't challenge these baseless statements which come from leaders of the club and too many think by taking everything at face value they are showing loyalty. There are dozens of examples which I'm not going to list (phew) but if we are looking for reasons for Rovers ongoing failure let's start with not holding people to account or scrutinizing what they say because IMO doing that is the only way we will get them to improve their performance. By the way, the new partnership with Ticketmaster seems a good move and part of the statement is in line with the philosophy I'm proposing. If the leadership know that fans will not be afraid to criticise and will let their feelings be known they are more likely to put the work in to ensure they do everything possible to get the decisions right and there is less scope for criticism. So here we have an explanation of what they did and why they did it. "With the anticipated return of supporters to the Memorial Stadium, Bristol Rovers FC conducted a review of the key services to help improve the match day experience. Integral to this process was a review of the current ticketing service and after a competitive process, the Club selected Ticketmaster Sport as their preferred provider " . Much better than not doing enough work, letting it fail and then relying on "loyal" fans to keep quiet. Now I've said that watch it all go t*ts up
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Post by basel on Apr 22, 2021 17:56:37 GMT
Awful recruitment. Players not up to it.
Not Joey Baryons fault.
WAQ must back Joey and the Manager is the Boss.
Get on with it and let's be ready for the 4th tier.
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Post by vaughan on Apr 22, 2021 17:58:16 GMT
No further evidence required then... You do make me laugh. The fan-base, coming to terms with relegation, will be worried about Lt Col Chris Gibson and the specifics of his role at Fleetwood Town? #AnotherBartonBaddy I could easily leave it there, and perhaps I should, but let me say this. The #AnotherBartonBaddy" and the #WehateeverythingaboutRovers responses aren't very constructive are they ? I mean, we all want what is best for Rovers but differ on how it can be achieved. Not long ago contradiction posted that he thought Wael had messed up on some things but done well on others and that it was about par for the course. To me that conclusion is completely wrong on the basis that over the past five years about £20 million has been put into Rovers and the result has been failure on every front. As a football club, apart from the community section, we are sub par everywhere as Barton has discovered and is now using as his excuse. Chris Gibson is clearly a talented and responsible man and if you asked him about this subject I'm fairly sure his response would be something like " Yes, I did some work for Fleetwood Town and I think it was beneficial to them. Joey has not talked to me in detail about Bristol Rovers but if I can help there then I'll be pleased to do so". That would be a normal, reasonable response wouldn't it ? Not some outrageous claims that can't be backed up and only serve to lead impressionable people into thinking something is there when it's clearly not and which will only bring disappointment. But we, as fans, let it go on and on because we don't challenge these baseless statements which come from leaders of the club and too many think by taking everything at face value they are showing loyalty. There are dozens of examples which I'm not going to list (phew) but if we are looking for reasons for Rovers ongoing failure let's start with not holding people to account or scrutinizing what they say because IMO doing that is the only way we will get them to improve their performance. By the way, the new partnership with Ticketmaster seems a good move and part of the statement is in line with the philosophy I'm proposing. If the leadership know that fans will not be afraid to criticise and will let their feelings be known they are more likely to put the work in to ensure they do everything possible to get the decisions right and there is less scope for criticism. So here we have an explanation of what they did and why they did it. "With the anticipated return of supporters to the Memorial Stadium, Bristol Rovers FC conducted a review of the key services to help improve the match day experience. Integral to this process was a review of the current ticketing service and after a competitive process, the Club selected Ticketmaster Sport as their preferred provider " . Much better than not doing enough work, letting it fail and then relying on "loyal" fans to keep quiet. Now I've said that watch it all go t*ts up Gibson is clearly a talented and responsible man. Maybe you could have started with that before going to print? I have no issues with you holding people to account, but now and then, expect others to question your sense of "commercial and management superiority" and judgemental mentality, when there is no evidence of of who you are, what you have done in your career to justify why you speak with such authority. Not that I am accusing you of being a blagger. #bekindto🇨🇭
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 22, 2021 18:21:14 GMT
Interesting conversation. I would have preferred to have someone else managing us rather than JB. But having been appointed I will, just as I have with many managers, give him my support and a chance to turn our situation around. Unfortunately he failed to do that when he actually had a large chunk of the season left to save us. Imo performances did improve up until the last two games which were very poor. This worries me about the situation we are in: ... JB seems to be thinking all the solutions to our situation lies in his hands and that his suggestions with his “people” are the way forward. Why is Wael, the owner, appearing to placing such faith in a manager who didn’t pull up any sticks at Fleetwood? They were ok but they also had a very, very large budget completely out of line with the income that the club enjoyed. Their losses are eye-watering for a League 1 club. Are we working to a budget or will we be working to a budget or will JB just go to Wael and say we need this and it happens? A bottomless financial pit beckons and that will only lead to a bad conclusion. ... it appears that JB is expecting everything to change on his say-so. Clearly we’ve had a disastrous season and the football side needs to be addressed and as manager he needs to do that. Much if what he says may be true but the way he is approaching it is counter productive. Players are openly criticised publicly, senior employees are criticised by implication. These things should be done within the club not on Bristol Live. His way of doing stuff will hardly promote confidence or trust from these players or prospective new ones. Why is the owner seemingly putting all his faith in one man and allowing him to set the tone of the club with his scattergun approach to football. I know football is a very different work environment to most other areas of employment but some basic principles are common, or should be. One of which is the need to work to a common goal and at the moment that seems to be very absent. Do I trust JB to do this for the good of BRFC? I’ve seen nothing that tells me I should. ... It was great to have another open letter from Wael but few of the current issues were addressed. I’m worried that Wael is letting JB do what he does without any direction. Surely JB, Starnes, TW and Wael are talking, working together and putting some tentative plans into place for next season. Firm plans obviously not until this season has ended but I hope some draft plans are being put in place. But I’m not confident. Is Wael sleepwalking towards something we can see but he can’t? I hope not. ... But the elephant in the room is the court case. I don’t expect it to be a discussion but I hope Wael has plans in place to deal with it if it happens. That it is going to court must mean that CPS think they have a strong case. And that could have serious repercussions for JB and BRFC. I can’t think Wael didn't put some clause into the contracts regarding the worst scenario in June. So leadership-wise it could get very uncertain. How many players are going to sign for a manager who might not be there? So they might wait until the court case is over. Likely to be mid-June before it is and players might have signed for others or not want to come here at all amid the uncertainty. So if we have the major clearout being suggested we could face pre-season in July with a very small squad, possibly no manager and face going in to the season really unprepared. That’s not an attractive possibility in League 2. We know where that can lead.
It is a total mess, not all of it on JBs watch, but one that he as manager has not shown, so far, that he is the person to help solve it. Indeed, it could be said that it has deteriorated on his watch. I think he could develop an exciting team and there should be no reason why we can’t do what Plymouth, Swindon and Coventry have done in previous years and perhaps even Bolton and Tranmere this season and get promotion back at the first attempt. For that to happen we need a manager concentrating on football, not politics or behaviour where he’s trying to shock people and where it’s all about him. In Autumn ‘18 we had DC continually moaning about the lack of this and lack of that and it was obviously leading only one way. DC had some collateral with what he had done, JB has none, so far.
Rant over.
UTG!
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Post by Angas on Apr 22, 2021 18:21:17 GMT
Do people write their own Linked In profiles? Re paying his own staff. What I read today suggested that if this is the case, it's on the understanding that they will be put on the payroll before much longer. Maybe he'll get a refund when that happens but he's told us he's got plenty of money so presumably not bothered either way. Seems he's in charge of the whole show, just how he likes it. Yes they do. See my post above Angas . I did 2 profiles, one real one and a totally fake one. I wrote to LinkedIn, asking if they wanted to have copies of job offers, letters of reference etc and was told it was not necessary. You can big yourself up with no care if it’s true or not I did wonder. He was US Army, apparently. Lots of stuff on google about his military career. But all I could find about his company suggested they do these things for businesses - team building and the like. I'm sure we did something of that sort once before - maybe in Ray Graydon's time or just after? Can't recall it was hugely successful. What I read (admittedly very briefly) about Growth Pod didn't do much to convince me they're anything but a money spinning scheme for themselves. Much like Joey now, big talk but for what result?
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 22, 2021 18:21:45 GMT
Awful recruitment. Players not up to it. Not Joey Baryons fault. WAQ must back Joey and the Manager is the Boss. Get on with it and let's be ready for the 4th tier. Would say been unlucky with injuries this season. Players not up for it, have to look at management team, or are you saying the are all bad players? Apparently Vaughan Jones use to slap Boris before a game to motivate him, maybe an old terrace story but doubt you can do that now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 18:24:39 GMT
You really need to do your homework, Swiss? Try his profile on LinkedIn where you can read about his organisational leadership skills. Next you will be mocking his MBE status? The irony of your latest post does not escape me. You constantly bang the drum of the club seeking suitable advisers, then undermine the ones before they are even appointed. What no-one has mentioned is that Barton is paying for his own staff, as he did at Fleetwood. That's why Mansel and Mesure have been retained. Just a bit of balance. Are you on LinkedIn by the way? You do know LinkedIn is never checked nor are you asked to have any references or back up, what you write about yourself, right ? I did this, to prove a point and won £50 in doing so. He is former services, I can find no evidence of him ever being involved in a ground up restructure of ant FC Got a link to his Linked-In page KP?
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Post by basel on Apr 22, 2021 18:27:36 GMT
Awful recruitment. Players not up to it. Not Joey Baryons fault. WAQ must back Joey and the Manager is the Boss. Get on with it and let's be ready for the 4th tier. Would say been unlucky with injuries this season. Players not up for it, have to look at management team, or are you saying the are all bad players? Apparently Vaughan Jones use to slap Boris before a game to motivate him, maybe an old terrace story but doubt you can do that now. Player slapping etc is motivational and common enough preparation for the game for some. I imagine it still goes on. Regarding players,there will be some JB keeps.Playrrs he thinks will improve with the new players he has in mind. Our Finnish GK will stay.
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Post by Angas on Apr 22, 2021 18:33:16 GMT
Joey bringing in all his cronies has me wondering if they'll run the show should he not be able to for a while. Someone suggested quite a while back he could do the job via telephone. With his mates in place, ones who'll do things the way he tells them to, it's a possibility if he's only off the scene for a short while.
WaQ must have some confidence that what Joey says he's going to do can actually happen, one way or another. Surely, as you say, it would be far to risky to just wait and see what happens in June. It was risky enough before Tuesday night, ten times more so now.
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Post by Angas on Apr 22, 2021 18:34:37 GMT
Will he want to?
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Post by darloGAS on Apr 22, 2021 18:46:36 GMT
No further evidence required then... You do make me laugh. The fan-base, coming to terms with relegation, will be worried about Lt Col Chris Gibson and the specifics of his role at Fleetwood Town? #AnotherBartonBaddy I could easily leave it there, and perhaps I should, but let me say this. The #AnotherBartonBaddy" and the #WehateeverythingaboutRovers responses aren't very constructive are they ? I mean, we all want what is best for Rovers but differ on how it can be achieved. Not long ago contradiction posted that he thought Wael had messed up on some things but done well on others and that it was about par for the course. To me that conclusion is completely wrong on the basis that over the past five years about £20 million has been put into Rovers and the result has been failure on every front. As a football club, apart from the community section, we are sub par everywhere as Barton has discovered and is now using as his excuse. Chris Gibson is clearly a talented and responsible man and if you asked him about this subject I'm fairly sure his response would be something like " Yes, I did some work for Fleetwood Town and I think it was beneficial to them. Joey has not talked to me in detail about Bristol Rovers but if I can help there then I'll be pleased to do so". That would be a normal, reasonable response wouldn't it ? Not some outrageous claims that can't be backed up and only serve to lead impressionable people into thinking something is there when it's clearly not and which will only bring disappointment. But we, as fans, let it go on and on because we don't challenge these baseless statements which come from leaders of the club and too many think by taking everything at face value they are showing loyalty. There are dozens of examples which I'm not going to list (phew) but if we are looking for reasons for Rovers ongoing failure let's start with not holding people to account or scrutinizing what they say because IMO doing that is the only way we will get them to improve their performance. By the way, the new partnership with Ticketmaster seems a good move and part of the statement is in line with the philosophy I'm proposing. If the leadership know that fans will not be afraid to criticise and will let their feelings be known they are more likely to put the work in to ensure they do everything possible to get the decisions right and there is less scope for criticism. So here we have an explanation of what they did and why they did it. "With the anticipated return of supporters to the Memorial Stadium, Bristol Rovers FC conducted a review of the key services to help improve the match day experience. Integral to this process was a review of the current ticketing service and after a competitive process, the Club selected Ticketmaster Sport as their preferred provider " . Much better than not doing enough work, letting it fail and then relying on "loyal" fans to keep quiet. Now I've said that watch it all go t*ts up Why didn't you just reply to my thread with that, Neil. Why do you have to be such a smartarse?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 18:47:47 GMT
Joey bringing in all his cronies has me wondering if they'll run the show should he not be able to for a while. Someone suggested quite a while back he could do the job via telephone. With his mates in place, ones who'll do things the way he tells them to, it's a possibility if he's only off the scene for a short while. WaQ must have some confidence that what Joey says he's going to do can actually happen, one way or another. Surely, as you say, it would be far to risky to just wait and see what happens in June. It was risky enough before Tuesday night, ten times more so now. Eeeeeee, our Jooey, they've got a corner, 'o d'ya want on the front post, 'urry up mate, the ref wants to get the game started like....
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Post by swissgas on Apr 22, 2021 18:49:37 GMT
I could easily leave it there, and perhaps I should, but let me say this. The #AnotherBartonBaddy" and the #WehateeverythingaboutRovers responses aren't very constructive are they ? I mean, we all want what is best for Rovers but differ on how it can be achieved. Not long ago contradiction posted that he thought Wael had messed up on some things but done well on others and that it was about par for the course. To me that conclusion is completely wrong on the basis that over the past five years about £20 million has been put into Rovers and the result has been failure on every front. As a football club, apart from the community section, we are sub par everywhere as Barton has discovered and is now using as his excuse. Chris Gibson is clearly a talented and responsible man and if you asked him about this subject I'm fairly sure his response would be something like " Yes, I did some work for Fleetwood Town and I think it was beneficial to them. Joey has not talked to me in detail about Bristol Rovers but if I can help there then I'll be pleased to do so". That would be a normal, reasonable response wouldn't it ? Not some outrageous claims that can't be backed up and only serve to lead impressionable people into thinking something is there when it's clearly not and which will only bring disappointment. But we, as fans, let it go on and on because we don't challenge these baseless statements which come from leaders of the club and too many think by taking everything at face value they are showing loyalty. There are dozens of examples which I'm not going to list (phew) but if we are looking for reasons for Rovers ongoing failure let's start with not holding people to account or scrutinizing what they say because IMO doing that is the only way we will get them to improve their performance. By the way, the new partnership with Ticketmaster seems a good move and part of the statement is in line with the philosophy I'm proposing. If the leadership know that fans will not be afraid to criticise and will let their feelings be known they are more likely to put the work in to ensure they do everything possible to get the decisions right and there is less scope for criticism. So here we have an explanation of what they did and why they did it. "With the anticipated return of supporters to the Memorial Stadium, Bristol Rovers FC conducted a review of the key services to help improve the match day experience. Integral to this process was a review of the current ticketing service and after a competitive process, the Club selected Ticketmaster Sport as their preferred provider " . Much better than not doing enough work, letting it fail and then relying on "loyal" fans to keep quiet. Now I've said that watch it all go t*ts up Why didn't you just reply to my thread with that, Neil. Why do you have to be such a smartarse? Bad move on my part Dave. Sorry.
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Post by Angas on Apr 22, 2021 18:49:50 GMT
I found this about Growth Pod. Not sure it quite tallies with our Joey's approach? For some reason the link won't post. So copy reads:- About us
Growth Pod is a well-being training company. We specialise in developing authentic leaders to create high performing workplaces by teaching them how to put their employee's well-being and development first. The average person spends over a third of their life in the workplace. How well we feel in our workplaces impacts on our whole lives. Leading an organisation is a privilege, not a right, leaders have a duty to ensure the employees they serve have an enriched, supportive environment that enables them to flourish. When leaders are able to embed Simon Sinek’s ethos that leadership is not about being in charge but taking care of those in their charge the world changes. Workers are supported to be and do their best, innovate, grow and develop. When their well-being is put first this not only enables them to produce their best work but to also be the best version of themselves. When we feel good in our work, it extends out, impacting on our families, friends and wider communities, it makes the world a better place. We develop leaders through training, coaching and consultancy who understand the wider social and moral impact of their leadership so they can develop workplaces where not only their employees flourish and thrive but their business and the world does too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 18:51:41 GMT
BTW, TicketMaster things sounds great with the detail on the link, definite step in the right direction.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 22, 2021 19:14:31 GMT
You do know LinkedIn is never checked nor are you asked to have any references or back up, what you write about yourself, right ? I did this, to prove a point and won £50 in doing so. He is former services, I can find no evidence of him ever being involved in a ground up restructure of ant FC Got a link to his Linked-In page KP? Which one mate ? I don’t have one anymore as I found it a pain and I had a silly amount of people send me messages but I am sure it’s easy enough to find. The only problem being is you have to have your own profile, to view others. It served me well for a period but I found it more of a chat room than anything productive. Maybe use the way back time machine if interested in mine but I’m sure you are talking of this army guy
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 22, 2021 19:25:24 GMT
Awful recruitment. Players not up to it. Not Joey Baryons fault. WAQ must back Joey and the Manager is the Boss. Get on with it and let's be ready for the 4th tier. But hanlon had 20 goals in him, according to Joseph. You are falling for his excuses, he had one job but instead of motivation, support and help, he has ostracised, criticised and excused. Sorry but I beg to differ. Serious question, would you give him carte Blanche , to rebuild the club, after already spunking 20 odd million to be back to the 4th tier ? His continuation of 3 at the back & a loan striker didn’t help. Left Daly to rot when he seemed to be one who could deal with a 6 yarder. I can’t see, i honestly cannot see not understand why so many feel Joseph has the tactical nous to pick a good formation nor change it up, with substitutes in good time. This is just bizarre, that people are still not seeing HIS errors
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Post by basel on Apr 22, 2021 21:05:41 GMT
Awful recruitment. Players not up to it. Not Joey Baryons fault. WAQ must back Joey and the Manager is the Boss. Get on with it and let's be ready for the 4th tier. But hanlon had 20 goals in him, according to Joseph. You are falling for his excuses, he had one job but instead of motivation, support and help, he has ostracised, criticised and excused. Sorry but I beg to differ. Serious question, would you give him carte Blanche , to rebuild the club, after already spunking 20 odd million to be back to the 4th tier ? His continuation of 3 at the back & a loan striker didn’t help. Left Daly to rot when he seemed to be one who could deal with a 6 yarder. I can’t see, i honestly cannot see not understand why so many feel Joseph has the tactical nous to pick a good formation nor change it up, with substitutes in good time. This is just bizarre, that people are still not seeing HIS errors Managers say things to motivate players. I don't think JB realised just how poor the squad is,until a few games in. He has tried various ways to drag performance out of them.All to no avail. In the scenario JB is allowed to Boss,backed by WAQ,then I think we'll challenge in the 4th tier.
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