I'm a bit confused here Contraception, the Growth-Pod website appears to be focused on ideas such as 'positive wellbeing'.
Based on what Barton has been saying about the culture throughout the club being dysfunctional, I would have thought that a business management consultancy would be required rather than a company who appear to provide motivational speaking services?
I know little more than you to be honest, but I gather Col Gibson has done quite a bit of work with the FA at St Georges Park regarding developing high level team performance.
I'm a bit confused here Contraception, the Growth-Pod website appears to be focused on ideas such as 'positive wellbeing'.
Based on what Barton has been saying about the culture throughout the club being dysfunctional, I would have thought that a business management consultancy would be required rather than a company who appear to provide motivational speaking services?
I know little more than you to be honest, but I gather Col Gibson has done quite a bit of work with the FA at St Georges Park regarding developing high level team performance.
If that relates to the England team, they look totally disinterested to me most of the time.
But back to Rovers.
I'm not big on this staff motivation stuff. Have seen it in practice, mostly people are hugely cynical and reluctant to get involved, even when those speakers do manage to get a room 'inspired' the people leave, have a short period to reflect and conclude that it was mostly just hot air.
Not saying it can't work, and it may be a useful little thing to sit within a well structured, well balanced corporation, but it's not going to fix a business that has structural issues, which is what Barton appears to be suggesting.
I know little more than you to be honest, but I gather Col Gibson has done quite a bit of work with the FA at St Georges Park regarding developing high level team performance.
If that relates to the England team, they look totally disinterested to me most of the time.
But back to Rovers.
I'm not big on this staff motivation stuff. Have seen it in practice, mostly people are hugely cynical and reluctant to get involved, even when those speakers do manage to get a room 'inspired' the people leave, have a short period to reflect and conclude that it was mostly just hot air.
Not saying it can't work, and it may be a useful little thing to sit within a well structured, well balanced corporation, but it's not going to fix a business that has structural issues, which is what Barton appears to be suggesting.
I wouldn't disagree with you on this, having had some experience of this in my organisation.
I imagine it would focus on getting everyone on the same page in Rovers case. Given the DoF role, there is always a potential for conflict. I understand this was the case under Coughlan, obviously was with Tisdale and clearly is the case now.
Could potentially be the case with medical/sport science dept too, given the veiled comments of JB and the fact we look knackered come 65 minutes and have been all season, and half the playing squad a seem injured.
For what its worth I agree with Vaughan, we need a JB to shake things up on the football side. He is intelligent and articulate, but wont shy away from the difficult conversations. But he is probably a tad too honest for his own good. Has he really been saying much different that supporters have been saying all season?
I imagine if people were able to set aside his history they would agree he is the type of character that is needed.
If that relates to the England team, they look totally disinterested to me most of the time.
But back to Rovers.
I'm not big on this staff motivation stuff. Have seen it in practice, mostly people are hugely cynical and reluctant to get involved, even when those speakers do manage to get a room 'inspired' the people leave, have a short period to reflect and conclude that it was mostly just hot air.
Not saying it can't work, and it may be a useful little thing to sit within a well structured, well balanced corporation, but it's not going to fix a business that has structural issues, which is what Barton appears to be suggesting.
I wouldn't disagree with you on this, having had some experience of this in my organisation.
I imagine it would focus on getting everyone on the same page in Rovers case. Given the DoF role, there is always a potential for conflict. I understand this was the case under Coughlan and clearly is the case now.
Could potentially be the case with medical/sport science dept too, given the veiled comments of JB and the fact we look knackered come 65 minutes and have been all season, and half the playing squad a seem injured.
For what its with I agree with Vaughan, we need a JB to shake things up on the football side. He is intelligent and articulate, but wont shy away from the difficult conversations. But he is probably a tad too honest.
I imagine if people set aside his history they would agree he its what's needed.
He waffles complete nonsense and continually contradicts himself.
I've met some very successful people, the ones who are intelligent and articulate say an awful lot more with far fewer words than Barton.
Where we can agree, I think, is that a starting point for having a functional organisation is getting as many key staff as possible agreed on what you are trying to do and understanding and accepting the way that you are trying to do it. Staff also absolutely need to know that you have their backs, not just at work, but in their personal lives as well, they need to trust you.
Do you think there's a single person who took the field on Tuesday night, looked over at Barton and thought that they had someone there who would stand behind them, or do you think they saw a snivelling weasel who would throw each and every one of them to the wolves just to excuse a defeat in a football match?
I wouldn't disagree with you on this, having had some experience of this in my organisation.
I imagine it would focus on getting everyone on the same page in Rovers case. Given the DoF role, there is always a potential for conflict. I understand this was the case under Coughlan and clearly is the case now.
Could potentially be the case with medical/sport science dept too, given the veiled comments of JB and the fact we look knackered come 65 minutes and have been all season, and half the playing squad a seem injured.
For what its with I agree with Vaughan, we need a JB to shake things up on the football side. He is intelligent and articulate, but wont shy away from the difficult conversations. But he is probably a tad too honest.
I imagine if people set aside his history they would agree he its what's needed.
He waffles complete nonsense and continually contradicts himself.
I've met some very successful people, the ones who are intelligent and articulate say an awful lot more with far fewer words than Barton.
Where we can agree, I think, is that a starting point for having a functional organisation is getting as many key staff as possible agreed on what you are trying to do and understanding and accepting the way that you are trying to do it. Staff also absolutely need to know that you have their backs, not just at work, but in their personal lives as well, they need to trust you.
Do you think there's a single person who took the field on Tuesday night, looked over at Barton and thought that they had someone there who would stand behind them, or do you think they saw a snivelling weasel who would throw each and every one of them to the wolves just to excuse a defeat in a football match?
Yes some of the pressers make you wonder whats coming next but we don't know what goes on in the changing room or at the Training Ground, its not the same as Press Conference.
But I tend to think you could try anything with this lot (playing squad) and it would make no difference. Whatever you try they will revert to type.
I suspect he has tried everything, from arm round the shoulder to calling them out. These players have been the same for three very different managers, defenders who lose concentration, strikers who cant score, midfielders who cant tackle. They try, but they are very limited.
Just remember Accrington away, Fleetwood at home. That was not on JB
Pep couldn't do much with this lot.
Mansell gave a great story recently of the DC era, how often the loan players didn't last, not because DC didn't want them, but because they didn't reach the standards set by the players, from dress to discipline - it was the players that pushed them out. The senior players policed the dressing room, they sorted stuff. Brilliant, just what you want
Then you look at the current squad and compare. Then weep. Think about the veiled comments about discipline. Thats not on JB either.
He waffles complete nonsense and continually contradicts himself.
I've met some very successful people, the ones who are intelligent and articulate say an awful lot more with far fewer words than Barton.
Where we can agree, I think, is that a starting point for having a functional organisation is getting as many key staff as possible agreed on what you are trying to do and understanding and accepting the way that you are trying to do it. Staff also absolutely need to know that you have their backs, not just at work, but in their personal lives as well, they need to trust you.
Do you think there's a single person who took the field on Tuesday night, looked over at Barton and thought that they had someone there who would stand behind them, or do you think they saw a snivelling weasel who would throw each and every one of them to the wolves just to excuse a defeat in a football match?
Yes some of the pressers make you wonder whats coming next but we don't know what goes on in the changing room or at the Training Ground, its not the same as Press Conference.
But I tend to think you could try anything with this lot (playing squad) and it would make no difference. Whatever you try they will revert to type.
I suspect he has tried everything, from arm round the shoulder to calling them out. These players have been the same for three very different managers, defenders who lose concentration, strikers who cant score, midfielders who cant tackle. They try, but they are very limited.
Just remember Accrington away, Fleetwood at home. That was not on JB
Pep couldn't do much with this lot.
Mansell gave a great story recently of the DC era, how often the loan players didn't last, not because DC didn't want them, but because they didn't reach the standards set by the players, from dress to discipline - it was the players that pushed them out. The senior players policed the dressing room, they sorted stuff. Brilliant, just what you want
Then you look at the current squad and compare. Then weep. Think about the veiled comments about discipline. Thats not on JB either.
Just two examples, sure there are more.
Sorry but I'm not having that.
Barton has put himself and the club in a position where recruitment is now much harder as he's publicly stabbed players in the back. Even without his career long problems I wouldn't work with or for him as I just couldn't trust him not to turn on me next.
He hasn't just criticised one rogue player who repeatedly stepped out of line, (see Aubameyang arriving late continually, so being dropped from the squad, that's about imposing discipline when required) but time after time, doing dirty washing in public and lashing out at others rather than doing what top managers do, namely saying that what happens in the dressing room stays there, the team win together, and lose together.
Another thing that's struck me through our pitiful season long demise is not only the lack of bringing in at least one decent central defender to calm things down in that area and at least one attacker during the Jan transfer window, but even outside of the Jan window surely there must have been players somewhere who were out of contract who we could have brought in who are better than the players we have in those positions, surely?
Ref senior players. Well, Barton, for all his faults, had a career at the top level, so can always play that card in the dressing room to gain respect, so no reason whatsoever for him not being able to explain to these players that they need to make a decision, either walk out the door and find a job where you can chew tobacco and give 60% every day, or stay here, but to be a professional footballer requires total commitment, there's nothing in between.
Now, if he did have that conversation but didn't get the right reaction he's clearly not the leader we need. If he didn't have that conversation, he's clearly not the leader we need.
I’m not on LinkedIn Vaughan we don’t approve of it here at SMERSH.
And you are right I hadn’t delved deeply enough into Chris Gibson’s background so didn’t know about Growth-Pod until contradiction posted it.
You are also right about me banging the drum for the club to go out and seek suitable advisors but the exact opposite has happened here. Wael has not carefully considered our situation and then sought advice from an appropriate source. Barton has said “look I know this bloke” and we have to assume Wael is going along with it but we don’t know because he hasn’t said anything. Making a decision on the basis of “knowing this bloke” is the archetypal way of initiating a “ cock up” as happens when your next door neighbor messes up your car engine or your brother in law proves he has insufficient knowledge of stock investing when your pension goes down the tubes. If you don’t do the proper research and make a considered decision but instead go for the easiest and most convenient option then IMO you are unlikely to be successful.
But if someone can show that Fleetwood did engage Chris, he did make massive improvements to their business and infrastructure and that Wael is fully behind his involvement at Rovers then of course I am happy to accept this is something worth trying.
Hope this is not viewed as Trolling.
I prefer to class it as irony
Today you seem to have time to find fault with my post and to engage with "the clique" so I wonder if you would spare a second to comment on yer man Barton's statement below which I would describe as baseless bluster
"He’s massive in terms of infrastructure and helping us understand how departments work with each other, and he was a key influencer of us being successful at Fleetwood and leaving Fleetwood in a much better place than when we found it, not only on the pitch, but off it in the business aspect.”
Today you seem to have time to find fault with my post and to engage with "the clique" so I wonder if you would spare a second to comment on yer man Barton's statement below which I would describe as baseless bluster
"He’s massive in terms of infrastructure and helping us understand how departments work with each other, and he was a key influencer of us being successful at Fleetwood and leaving Fleetwood in a much better place than when we found it, not only on the pitch, but off it in the business aspect.”
His LinkedIn profile supports his capability, so it's not baseless bluster. If you are not prepared to read his profile, then so be it. You were the one who did a number on him. You don't know what his role is, but you have already started to ring the alarm bells.
I think that if Wael was found to eat Coco Pops for breakfast, then there would be an issue. Too much sugar and not enough protein, Swiss?
Today you seem to have time to find fault with my post and to engage with "the clique" so I wonder if you would spare a second to comment on yer man Barton's statement below which I would describe as baseless bluster
"He’s massive in terms of infrastructure and helping us understand how departments work with each other, and he was a key influencer of us being successful at Fleetwood and leaving Fleetwood in a much better place than when we found it, not only on the pitch, but off it in the business aspect.”
His LinkedIn profile supports his capability, so it's not baseless bluster. If you are not prepared to read his profile, then so be it. You were the one who did a number on him. You don't know what his role is, but you have already started to ring the alarm bells.
I think that if Wael was found to eat Coco Pops for breakfast, then there would be an issue. Too much sugar and not enough protein, Swiss?
Obviously you write your own LinkedIn profile. You may be shocked to hear that some people rather embellish their own achievements. It is not credible evidence of anything. What swiss was asking for was evidence of what this person actually achieved at Fleetwood. If this chap achieved what Mr Barton states he did at Fleetwood, then I'm sure we would all applaud the appointment.
If he didn't, then this is yet more evidence (if any more was required) that Mr Barton is at best a fantasist, and at worse, a liar.
Today you seem to have time to find fault with my post and to engage with "the clique" so I wonder if you would spare a second to comment on yer man Barton's statement below which I would describe as baseless bluster
"He’s massive in terms of infrastructure and helping us understand how departments work with each other, and he was a key influencer of us being successful at Fleetwood and leaving Fleetwood in a much better place than when we found it, not only on the pitch, but off it in the business aspect.”
I'm not sure what you want me to say or add.
I have no basis on which to challenge it or say anything else about it
His LinkedIn profile supports his capability, so it's not baseless bluster. If you are not prepared to read his profile, then so be it. You were the one who did a number on him. You don't know what his role is, but you have already started to ring the alarm bells.
I think that if Wael was found to eat Coco Pops for breakfast, then there would be an issue. Too much sugar and not enough protein, Swiss?
Obviously you write your own LinkedIn profile. You may be shocked to hear that some people rather embellish their own achievements. It is not credible evidence of anything. What swiss was asking for was evidence of what this person actually achieved at Fleetwood. If this chap achieved what Mr Barton states he did at Fleetwood, then I'm sure we would all applaud the appointment.
If he didn't, then this is yet more evidence (if any more was required) that Mr Barton is at best a fantasist, and at worse, a liar.
So are you implying that he has embellished his profile, without knowing anything about him? Or does it fit your narrative to allege that he has?
The word "key influencer" could mean anything. Wim Hof is a key influencer on how Barton breathes. Debate that!
Today you seem to have time to find fault with my post and to engage with "the clique" so I wonder if you would spare a second to comment on yer man Barton's statement below which I would describe as baseless bluster
"He’s massive in terms of infrastructure and helping us understand how departments work with each other, and he was a key influencer of us being successful at Fleetwood and leaving Fleetwood in a much better place than when we found it, not only on the pitch, but off it in the business aspect.”
His LinkedIn profile supports his capability, so it's not baseless bluster. If you are not prepared to read his profile, then so be it. You were the one who did a number on him. You don't know what his role is, but you have already started to ring the alarm bells.
I think that if Wael was found to eat Coco Pops for breakfast, then there would be an issue. Too much sugar and not enough protein, Swiss?
I was talking about Barton and his claims of what was achieved at Fleetwood Town.
His LinkedIn profile supports his capability, so it's not baseless bluster. If you are not prepared to read his profile, then so be it. You were the one who did a number on him. You don't know what his role is, but you have already started to ring the alarm bells.
I think that if Wael was found to eat Coco Pops for breakfast, then there would be an issue. Too much sugar and not enough protein, Swiss?
I was talking about Barton and his claims of what was achieved at Fleetwood Town.
So you want the evidence of how Chris Gibson helped Joey Barton? What are you going to do with it exactly? Another stick presumably?
Today you seem to have time to find fault with my post and to engage with "the clique" so I wonder if you would spare a second to comment on yer man Barton's statement below which I would describe as baseless bluster
"He’s massive in terms of infrastructure and helping us understand how departments work with each other, and he was a key influencer of us being successful at Fleetwood and leaving Fleetwood in a much better place than when we found it, not only on the pitch, but off it in the business aspect.”
I'm not sure what you want me to say or add.
I have no basis on which to challenge it or say anything else about it
Well the basis would be to consider what Barton achieved at Fleetwood Town and then decide whether you think his claim in the statement I quoted is valid.
I should say the fact that he was sacked for poor performance and for fighting with one of his players is completely at odds with that statement.
And the claim about the "business aspect" is ludicrous. Fleetwood Town had never lost more than £ 2.3 million in a year before Barton arrived and in the five years prior to his appointment their annual loss averaged around £ 300 K. During Barton's first full year as manager they lost £ 5.9 million.
I was talking about Barton and his claims of what was achieved at Fleetwood Town.
So you want the evidence of how Chris Gibson helped Joey Barton? What are you going to do with it exactly? Another stick presumably?
Surely any reasonable Rovers supporter would be interested to know how Chris Gibson helped Joey Barton at Fleetwood Town ?
Because whatever help he did give doesn't appear to have worked very well when the outcome was that Barton and his three colleagues were all fired and the club lost 2 1/2 times more than it had ever lost before during the first full year he was in charge.
I was talking about Barton and his claims of what was achieved at Fleetwood Town.
So you want the evidence of how Chris Gibson helped Joey Barton? What are you going to do with it exactly? Another stick presumably?
What have you got?
Let's see data that demonstrates improved performance in various departments, what structure and procedures were altered, what the recruitment was, was any improvement sustained, what the increase or decrease in departmental budgets were, how increase or decrease in individual departmental income and expenditure affected other departments, what processes were brought in house and what were outsourced, that sort of basic stuff, if it all stacks up and it looks like the sort of 'repair job' that a decent business consultant may do then I'm sure Swiss will acknowledge the achievements.
But as Swiss has pointed out, there's a bit of a fly in the ointment, and that's the £5,950,000 loss. So unless that's biased towards infrastructure or restructuring that's going to yield a return, then the whole thing falls a bit flat from the get go.
So you want the evidence of how Chris Gibson helped Joey Barton? What are you going to do with it exactly? Another stick presumably?
Surely any reasonable Rovers supporter would be interested to know how Chris Gibson helped Joey Barton at Fleetwood Town ?
Because whatever help he did give doesn't appear to have worked very well when the outcome was that Barton and his three colleagues were all fired and the club lost 2 1/2 times more than it had ever lost before during the first full year he was in charge.
No further evidence required then...
You do make me laugh. The fan-base, coming to terms with relegation, will be worried about Lt Col Chris Gibson and the specifics of his role at Fleetwood Town?
Back on topic. I've had a chance to review things. No. Mr Barton is not fit to manage Bristol Rovers FC. My initial response was based on him being a failed human being. A violent man, with a violent past. Never any sign of remorse, and therefore no chance of redemption. Delusional. In love with himself, social media and the cult of celebrity. Now, after 2 months and 15 games in charge, I have analysed the available data and would also conclude that he is a failed football manager. Totally out of his depth and unable to motivate or organise the (admittedly poor) squad of players. Mr Barton would have the simple-minded believe he is not to blame. For anything. Ever. He always plays the victim. He likes to "tell it like it is" though, eh? What's not to like? Well actually, as it transpires, an awful lot.
The tragic part is reading the Rovers official groups, where we still have a majority who think he can rebuild and even get promoted, on first season. The only glimmer of hope is there are now a fair few who have changed their minds, based upon results, game management and his wide and ever widening use of excuses. Having said all of that, I have my doubts he will be with us next season.
if you see me twitch in my sleep, it’s not women nor booze I’m chasing but the truth.
Surely any reasonable Rovers supporter would be interested to know how Chris Gibson helped Joey Barton at Fleetwood Town ?
Because whatever help he did give doesn't appear to have worked very well when the outcome was that Barton and his three colleagues were all fired and the club lost 2 1/2 times more than it had ever lost before during the first full year he was in charge.
No further evidence required then...
You do make me laugh. The fan-base, coming to terms with relegation, will be worried about Lt Col Chris Gibson and the specifics of his role at Fleetwood Town?
#AnotherBartonBaddy
They flipping well should be if he was part of the team that delivered a £6,000,000 loss and Barton is attempting to replicate that here.
It is hard not to come to the conclusion that Barton is all bluster with no substance.
One example is his apparent enlistment of "leadership expert" Lt Colonel Chris Gibson whom he said was going to help restructure Rovers. On a quick google search I couldn't find anything connecting Chris Gibson to Fleetwood Town let alone transforming them but what I did find was that he is actually a motivational speaker who can be hired by the hour. So what we have here is Barton convincing many impressionable Gasheads that he is bringing in his own version of McKinsey & Company to restructure the entire Rovers organisation when in fact it is someone any company could engage to come in and spark up a staff meeting. Why do we keep falling for it ?
You really need to do your homework, Swiss?
Try his profile on LinkedIn where you can read about his organisational leadership skills.
Next you will be mocking his MBE status?
The irony of your latest post does not escape me. You constantly bang the drum of the club seeking suitable advisers, then undermine the ones before they are even appointed.
What no-one has mentioned is that Barton is paying for his own staff, as he did at Fleetwood. That's why Mansel and Mesure have been retained. Just a bit of balance.
Are you on LinkedIn by the way?
You do know LinkedIn is never checked nor are you asked to have any references or back up, what you write about yourself, right ? I did this, to prove a point and won £50 in doing so. He is former services, I can find no evidence of him ever being involved in a ground up restructure of ant FC
if you see me twitch in my sleep, it’s not women nor booze I’m chasing but the truth.