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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 15:29:00 GMT
Page thirty-five reviewed. The point being, as has been made multiple times, nobody has suggested that rehabilitation shouldn't be encouraged, and I for one would be more than happy to hear that Rovers were part of schemes giving people a 'second chance'. But, and there's always a but, in a controlled way so that everybody's safety was ensured, and I most certainly wouldn't put someone with a court case of this type scheduled straight into a position where they are the public face of the club... Absolutely. Manager of a league football club is a job that bears responsibility for the public impression and influence the incumbent wields. Barton's appointment already seems to have emboldened the more aggressive and hateful of our support on Gaschat and on social media, and employing an unrepentant and unreformed violent criminal to coach and supervise young lads and to face the public is a reckless safeguarding gamble. Which brings us on to... Any thoughts on that dog incident or his lack of empathy for the family and friends of the murdered Police officer? Complete abhorrence. Absolutely, o2o2bo2ba. Whether or not we agree; I know us to possess and to value honesty and decency. Bristol Rovers need to regain and to retain both. Barton is the antithesis of decency. Not too interested in what happens to the club in football terms whilst Punchy and his yob mates are here, holding the positions they do, but was delighted that people that I've shared a common bond with over decades would have gained pleasure from Tuesday's victory. Yes, indeed; it never did feel right to wish for defeat that would hurt other gasheads. I also think relegation risks disaster at Bristol Rovers, so I do care about results, but it doesn't look like Barton is any more capable than he is decent. I'm starting to wonder if Barton and his ever growing entourage have more interests in Bristol Rovers FC than just the playing side. That is a terrifying prospect, mate. BTW, I know that [o2o2bo2ba] found that stuff sickening, of course, and it wasn't particularly nice of me to pose that question in that way, you've never given as much as a hint that you are anything other than a thoroughly decent person. It's just that situations like this are emotionally very complicated, you are being asked to find a way to work with a dreadful hand that's been dealt, or feel disloyal to the football club that's a huge part of your life. Wael should never have put you in that position. Yes, so why has he? He seems to be star-struck by celebrity. But not all publicity is good publicity; that's nonsense. This appointment brings Bristol Rovers Football Club into disrepute. To read how wonderful Barton feels about his friend who was convicted of the manslaughter of the off duty police officer followed by the grief of the widow on the 5th anniversary of his death made me feel sick. I hope that Wael has been catching up on all of these abhorrent incidents as I do not believe that he was aware of the back catalogue before the appointments of the Barton gang. This is why I never thought for a moment that Al Qadi would appoint Barton. I ignored the media furoré and bookmakers odds, falsely safe in my belief that Al Qadi cared about decency and dignity. But this is the sort of thing that Al Qadi needs to be told about. Barton is an abhorrent person to appoint to lead a football club, and Al Qadi ought to know this. Whether he does or doesn’t do a good job is immaterial to his character and imo, whether he should be our manager. Imo the absolute worst are the fans whose opinions on Barton solely rest on whether he wins football matches. I promise you I will not be singing his praises if he gets Rovers promoted. He will still, ultimately, be the sort of person the club should not have touched. Footballing success is secondary to my principles and quite literally no number of wins will launder his reputation in my eyes because imo we have had to completely sell out in order to get those wins. I can brag to my City friends all I like but when they inevitably retort “yeah but Joey Barton is your manager” I won’t be able to give any sort of comeback because I will know exactly what they mean and deep down I will know they are right. That's very well put, Sir. I notice that Stephen Vaughan Jnr is also in the contacts list and was sent down for aiding Bartons mates getaway to mainland Europe after the policeman killing. He and his Father have football history, check out Chester City. Whoever reads this for Wael Al Qadi, please note. I understand your empathetic post towards me or folk with similar views. I've always maintained my neutral stance towards JAB appointment, because I think I'm objective in (like you post) difficult emotional circumstances. I disagree one necessary leads to another. In fact, I think it's healthy being able to see why some support what he brings to the club whilst acknowledging what complete destruction he's left behind. Defending the indefensible is anyone condoning what JAB has done....in all my posts I've never done that, but it appears I'm guilty by association or not being vocally with you. That's a shame. That's divisive. My stance is again neutral, a bit like a civil service that serves the people whomever is in government.....I know it's a poor analogy, but I think your post however well meaning, is unfair. There is a niche of being able to separate support for the club, whilst observing that some that serve it don't harbour the best virtues in life or meet the standards I personally set. They are different and it's only fair to recognise that. Bambi can write for himself, but I do believe he recognises this, as I recognise and respect it, gashead. That's why the Barton appointment is so damaging, because we ought to be able to support the same team, disagreeing about managerial appointments, without any of us feeling unable to support the team due to it being led by an abhorrent criminal. o2o2bo2ba and @thinwhiteduke's respectful and romantic exchange on page thirty-five is a thing of beauty, I must say.For me to accept him as part of 'my club' he would need to convince me that he's found a way to put his violent past behind him, and acknowledge that everything about that way of life is just wrong, that includes showing off about it interviews and profiting from it by incorporating aspects of it into a book, unless of course it's a 'road to redemption' book, which his clearly wasn't. I keep saying, I have no ill will towards the guy and wish him nothing but happiness, but he's tarnished the name of the football club that I love, and to hear him make jokes about being sent to prison during part of his official duties on behalf of my club, when what got him that custodial sentence was a vicious attack on 1 person where he continued the assault after his victim was flat out on the floor and then followed that up by attacking a 16 year old, well, it's nauseating. He's a troubled individual who gives the impression that he's a long long way from even understanding how normal people view the way he's lived his life. Barton and some of his victims are very lucky that Barton's not already in prison for murder. Unfortunately even as of last Tuesday he thinks there's humour to be made out of an occurrence which left 2 people injured and him in prison, so it doesn't sound as if he's started any kind of journey into a period of serious self reflection and repentance. It sounded more like self aggrandisation with zero thought for the victims to me. How do you suppose the people he attacked would feel if they heard him referencing that incident as part of an interview, laughing, and knowing that he was doing that interview as part of his employment T&Cs, so was being paid for it? The other sad thing about that is that I'll wager that he didn't get a call that night from anybody within the club telling him that was unacceptable. What have we become? Answer: disgraceful. As I write, Rovers are now 2-1 up, 21st, and two points behind Northampton Town, so by hanging on today and by beating Town at the weekend, I believe we can stay up. I really hope we do, but Barton has to go for the three of our family to return to Rovers.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 5, 2021 16:16:13 GMT
Fair enough, again. More for the way you can write that out while match time.....I haven't got any fingernails left after that!
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Post by harrogategas on Apr 5, 2021 16:35:38 GMT
Can we please drop this thread. Whatever has happened in the past has gone! I know Barton has a long list of history, to put it mildly! Just look at the world around you! I ask everyone posting on here to look at themselves. Have you always been perfect? We are living in a new world, like it or lump it. Rovers are an identity to follow, so let’s get on with it and get off our high horses. Support the team, that is not Joey, but BRISTOL ROVERS. UTG
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 5, 2021 16:38:53 GMT
Can we please drop this thread. Whatever has happened in the past has gone! I know Barton has a long list of history, to put it mildly! Just look at the world around you! I ask everyone posting on here to look at themselves. Have you always been perfect? We are living in a new world, like it or lump it. Rovers are an identity to follow, so let’s get on with it and get off our high horses. Support the team, that is not Joey, but BRISTOL ROVERS. UTG Would you please, for the love of Gerry, stop posting utterly normal balanced posts? 🤭
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 16:42:21 GMT
Can we please drop this thread. Whatever has happened in the past has gone! I know Barton has a long list of history, to put it mildly! Just look at the world around you! I ask everyone posting on here to look at themselves. Have you always been perfect? We are living in a new world, like it or lump it. Rovers are an identity to follow, so let’s get on with it and get off our high horses. Support the team, that is not Joey, but BRISTOL ROVERS. UTG Sadly the past hasn't gone, there is a trial looming which will drag Bristol Rovers name through the court room, the national press and the outcome will determine our short term future. Great win today though so let's focus on that and the rest of the season as nothing is likely to change before the court case.
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Post by toteend3 on Apr 5, 2021 16:44:19 GMT
Can we please drop this thread. Whatever has happened in the past has gone! I know Barton has a long list of history, to put it mildly! Just look at the world around you! I ask everyone posting on here to look at themselves. Have you always been perfect? We are living in a new world, like it or lump it. Rovers are an identity to follow, so let’s get on with it and get off our high horses. Support the team, that is not Joey, but BRISTOL ROVERS. UTG Sadly the past hasn't gone, there is a trial looming which will drag Bristol Rovers name through the court room, the national press and the outcome will determine our short term future. Great win today though so let's focus on that and the rest of the season as nothing is likely to change before the court case.
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Post by toteend3 on Apr 5, 2021 16:50:27 GMT
Sadly the past hasn't gone, there is a trial looming which will drag Bristol Rovers name through the court room, the national press and the outcome will determine our short term future. Great win today though so let's focus on that and the rest of the season as nothing is likely to change before the court case. If Joey keeps us up and keeps himself out of trouble he be fine, especially with the cracking character reference he will get from Wael
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 16:51:10 GMT
Can we please drop this thread. Whatever has happened in the past has gone! I know Barton has a long list of history, to put it mildly! Just look at the world around you! I ask everyone posting on here to look at themselves. Have you always been perfect? We are living in a new world, like it or lump it. Rovers are an identity to follow, so let’s get on with it and get off our high horses. Support the team, that is not Joey, but BRISTOL ROVERS. UTG If you don't like reading about what a thoroughly odious character he is just ignore this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 16:52:53 GMT
If Joey keeps us up and keeps himself out of trouble he be fine, especially with the cracking character reference he will get from Wael He doesn't need Wael, he's got professionals like Eddy Jennings in his corner.
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Post by darloGAS on Apr 5, 2021 17:20:56 GMT
Can we please drop this thread. Whatever has happened in the past has gone! I know Barton has a long list of history, to put it mildly! Just look at the world around you! I ask everyone posting on here to look at themselves. Have you always been perfect? We are living in a new world, like it or lump it. Rovers are an identity to follow, so let’s get on with it and get off our high horses. Support the team, that is not Joey, but BRISTOL ROVERS. UTG Sadly the past hasn't gone, there is a trial looming which will drag Bristol Rovers name through the court room, the national press and the outcome will determine our short term future. Great win today though so let's focus on that and the rest of the season as nothing is likely to change before the court case. A few 'crooks' in the boardrooms over the many years I have followed the Rovers, and my dad before me. But that's ok, as long as they don't get caught.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 17:25:20 GMT
Can we please drop this thread. Whatever has happened in the past has gone! I know Barton has a long list of history, to put it mildly! Just look at the world around you! I ask everyone posting on here to look at themselves. Have you always been perfect? We are living in a new world, like it or lump it. Rovers are an identity to follow, so let’s get on with it and get off our high horses. Support the team, that is not Joey, but BRISTOL ROVERS. UTG I’ve never extracted someone’s teeth, if that’s what you’re asking?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 17:25:35 GMT
Sadly the past hasn't gone, there is a trial looming which will drag Bristol Rovers name through the court room, the national press and the outcome will determine our short term future. Great win today though so let's focus on that and the rest of the season as nothing is likely to change before the court case. A few 'crooks' in the boardrooms over the many years I have followed the Rovers, and my dad before me. But that's ok, as long as they don't get caught. Ian Stevens got caught eventually the dirty old bugger.
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Post by harrogategas on Apr 5, 2021 17:29:39 GMT
Has anyone on their high horse read the book Joey Barton, No Nonsense? An extremely good read and I suggest all the doubters have a look! It may change your mind, on the other hand it may not!
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Post by darloGAS on Apr 5, 2021 17:30:23 GMT
A few 'crooks' in the boardrooms over the many years I have followed the Rovers, and my dad before me. But that's ok, as long as they don't get caught. Ian Stevens got caught eventually the dirty old bugger. Just the one then... 😉 Neil, (swissgas) might know more... perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 17:30:51 GMT
Can we please drop this thread. Whatever has happened in the past has gone! I know Barton has a long list of history, to put it mildly! Just look at the world around you! I ask everyone posting on here to look at themselves. Have you always been perfect? We are living in a new world, like it or lump it. Rovers are an identity to follow, so let’s get on with it and get off our high horses. Support the team, that is not Joey, but BRISTOL ROVERS. UTG If you don't like reading about what a thoroughly odious character he is just ignore this thread. It always seems to me that fans are trying to set the parameters in a way that helps them resolve the cognitive dissonance of wanting a vile character to succeed. So this arbitrary “I’ll judge him on what he does at Rovers” nonsense gets brought out. Where do you draw the line with that? Shall we send Widdrington to hang about outside the nick so he gets first dibs on Adam Johnson the day he has been released and paid his dues? Judge him on what he does In a Bristol Rovers shirt? Let’s leave his criminal history in the past where it belongs. Is that how it works? Easy this “leave it in the past” stuff isn’t it!
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Post by harrogategas on Apr 5, 2021 17:40:55 GMT
It’s reality!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 17:42:49 GMT
Has anyone on their high horse read the book Joey Barton, No Nonsense? An extremely good read and I suggest all the doubters have a look! It may change your mind, on the other hand it may not! The trouble with autobiographies are that they leave out the negative bits about themselves. Terry Venables book is hilarious, the number of times he was the victim of bad advice when making dodgy decisions which went badly wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 17:55:49 GMT
Has anyone on their high horse read the book Joey Barton, No Nonsense? An extremely good read and I suggest all the doubters have a look! It may change your mind, on the other hand it may not! The trouble with autobiographies are that they leave out the negative bits about themselves. Terry Venables book is hilarious, the number of times he was the victim of bad advice when making dodgy decisions which went badly wrong. Au Contraire. In Barton's case he gets plenty of bad stuff in and appears to enjoy telling the world all about what a hard guy he is from the hard streets of Liverpool. Bloke's a d1ck.
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Post by harrogategas on Apr 5, 2021 18:07:10 GMT
Have you no skeletons ThinWite Duke?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 18:10:04 GMT
Pleased with a win today but no buzz or elation I used to get. I want to be be able to celebrate a win but just can’t. Will take a break from BRFC, forums etc as I should have done a month ago and give everyone a break from my whingeing and negativity.
Good luck for the rest of the season. Absolute respect for those who are behind Barton and enjoying their evening tonight.
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