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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 18:13:01 GMT
The trouble with autobiographies are that they leave out the negative bits about themselves. Terry Venables book is hilarious, the number of times he was the victim of bad advice when making dodgy decisions which went badly wrong. Au Contraire. In Barton's case he gets plenty of bad stuff in and appears to enjoy telling the world all about what a hard guy he is from the hard streets of Liverpool. Bloke's a d1ck. I haven't had the displeasure of reading it Dukey but I will take your word for it. It's a shame we are discussing him again after such a good win on the the pitch today but that's the result of employing a divisive character.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 18:15:55 GMT
Have you no skeletons ThinWite Duke? Zero arrests. Zero charges or court appearances for assault. Never hospitalised anybody. Thanks for asking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 18:17:05 GMT
Au Contraire. In Barton's case he gets plenty of bad stuff in and appears to enjoy telling the world all about what a hard guy he is from the hard streets of Liverpool. Bloke's a d1ck. I haven't had the displeasure of reading it Dukey but I will take your word for it. It's a shame we are discussing him again after such a good win on the the pitch today but that's the result of employing a divisive character. As I said on the match thread, it's a huge shame that there wasn't a crowd there to cheer / clap the players off to thank them for their efforts today.
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Post by stargas on Apr 5, 2021 18:23:04 GMT
Thought Hanlan had a great game and McCormick just gets better in every game. The whole team played very well today, well done lads and UTG
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 18:27:07 GMT
Thought Hanlan had a great game and McCormick just gets better in every game. The whole team played very well today, well done lads and UTG I missed todays game, the first one for a while. I might miss a few more if it gets results.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 18:49:40 GMT
The trouble with autobiographies are that they leave out the negative bits about themselves. Terry Venables book is hilarious, the number of times he was the victim of bad advice when making dodgy decisions which went badly wrong. Au Contraire. In Barton's case he gets plenty of bad stuff in and appears to enjoy telling the world all about what a hard guy he is from the hard streets of Liverpool. Bloke's a d1ck. Ask Scott Brown how hard Barton is. Barton ran away from Rangers and Scottish football with his tail between his legs not long after that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 19:37:57 GMT
Going back to this thing about 'moving on', Barton himself doesn't want to forget his past, he keeps talking about going to prison and making other such references, so if he's doing that, why on earth is it even close to reasonable to suggest that everybody else should just ignore that stuff and concentrate just on what happens on the pitch?
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Page thirty-six, thirty-seven, and thirty-eight reviewed. How much did you people write while I was away?! The Wael I think most fans thought we had last June would have made a different appointment and said to us “my vision is sincere but we need to make a change in the football structure. We are continuing with the strategy which began with Ben Garner and in the short term this may mean pain for us all but I am convinced that in the long term it will lead to success for Rovers”. If he had done that I think most fans would have supported him and we would be much more united. But this appointment shows, in a very crude way, that he puts his own interests before the club or the fans. As far as we know he is gambling with his own money so he can actually do what he likes. But from what has now happened we must learn that when the time comes, as it does for every owner, we should not expect him to make a decision based on what is best for our club and the Rovers community as a whole. Wow. That's chilling. Maybe there has been an attempt at contact with those left behind by the murder of that officer, but I'm struggling with that as a concept as Barton seems very keen on promoting himself and sounded desperate to tell the world what a great guy the murderer is, so by logical extension one would imagine he would also mention any such event? Anyway, I guess we have some kind of media dept, wasn't Gorringe being given credit for communication, so presume that the interview meets the club's standards. It's a matter of bringing the club into disrepute, isn't it? I call that misconduct, and I think I've worked under contracts of employment which did likewise. All I see is potential. - A potential for JAB to start afresh in a different area. A potential to reform.
- A potential for our club to stay in 3rd division.
- A potential to unite the fanbase much in the DC style.
- A potential to be successful.
It is a pleasure to argue with O2, who always bothers to argue with rationale and consideration. The numbers above I added. - Barton still revels in glorification of violence, and has shown no consideration for his victims, remorse for his offences, nor intention to change.
- I still believe Tisdale should have had the run-in and was better equipped to keep us in the third division, but I share your concern.
- Barton couldn't unite the fanbase like Garner and Tisdale, much less like Clarke.
- I still do not expect Barton to make Rovers successful, although him so doing would not change my feelings about disrepute and identity.
I do understand better your point of view though, mate. @contradiction , not so much. Is that all you have, Sir? Swiss would take the time to write a considered rebuttal to your arguments, if you made any. I will gloss over the details of what followed contradiction's attack on a period of Rovers history in which Rovers seem to have won promotion from the third division while somehow staying afloat and paying the bills while also homeless and in exile, but please pour yourself a long drink and turn to page thirty-six to enjoy this in full, as I found it rather enlightening. The Life of Brian sketch is especially amusing. Swiss's directorship was before my time watching Rovers, and I have never seen Rovers in the second division. The departures of Matt Taylor and Graham Coughlan scuppered the last two promotion opportunities, and I do not expect to see another, at least not from this division. That's sad.Tommy, Starnes and Wael all have to go ASAP for the clueless mess of managing a football club. They are turning this club into one with the wrong sort of DNA. I share the dismay about the Widdrington, Starnes, and Al Qadi board, but it's only Barton that makes me unable to support Rovers. Widdrington has let us down badly, but should replace Barton for the remainder of the season, as I've defended elsewhere. Starnes doesn't seem to get a vote in too much of the decision making. Al Qadi has insulted and demeaned us with the Barton appointment, but I don't have an alternative. They have much work ahead of them to achieve it, but nobody else is beyond redemption, once the unrepentant violent criminal is removed from a position he should never have been considered for. Please show where there has been ANY bordering on hatred content. One thing Swiss does is give alternatives and reasons and not just sweeping accusations. Yes, absolutely. I often disagree with Swiss (although sadly he is being proved increasingly correct) but he has always written in a detailed, respectable, and considered way. It is the one who accuses Swiss of hatred who replied with 'what a load of bóllócks'. Swiss depresses me no end, but I have never read a jot of hatred from him. With regards to working hard, if I’d been working hard behind the scenes on a stadium project for five years I’d at least have expected to identify a site Quite! Some people aren't ever satisfied. Remember that Wael has the best experts, people who have built countless stadiums, if it wasn't for him putting all of this in place we may be 5 years down the road and still playing in something that looks like the film set for Carry On Camping. There's a part of me glad that BRFC has been funded for the last five years, and that the club still exists at all. But then then I consider what you detail, and I do feel cheated. The 1982 club really lucked out in the owner stakes. Very soon after their new site fell though, SL started building something massive on their existing footprint. We get a Family Tent too small for this family ever to get a ticket for. Page thirty-seven has a lot more detail about the Al Qadi takeover and failure to commit to infrastructure, stadium development, and partnership working.I notice Barton has been talking about player’s standards slipping at the club. I wonder if any of the players will ask him if he thought about his own standards when getting into that altercation with Stendel? That’s the problem with Barton and his past, it makes it very difficult for him to hold everyone else to account without looking like a raging hypocrite. If I was a player being criticised for my standards in the press by a character like Barton I’d equal parts be pissing myself and absolutely fuming at his cheek. Can you imagine taking instruction on professional conduct from such a man(ager)? It's embarassing. “You need to live your life at a high standard to have high performance”. Please tell me that did not come from the mouth of Joseph Anthony Barton? Womble gives a lovely update on The Quarters on page thirty-eightAfter 17 or so games Paul Tisdale is said to have publicly critised some players - "He's got to go ...". After 1 game Joey Barton is praised for being positive about the team. After 7 games Joey Barton is publicly critical of some players - "Good for him, they need a good kick up the ass ...". You've got to hand it to Barton. He's got people wrapped around his little finger, and I don't know how. I wonder if Barton still believes he has 20 goal a season strikers on the books or if he’s being asked to pull a rabbit out the hat? It will be interesting when he goes full Paul Tisdale and criticises the recruitment of players who aren’t good enough for the here and now. Last week he was blaming Ben Garners pre season which can’t have gone down well with half the coaching staff Nothing that ever happens is Barton's fault; there's always someone to blame. But it will be fascinating to see whether casting blame will do for Barton what it did for Tisdale. I don't believe Tisdale was ever really wanted, for some reason. But the Dear Leader does not like criticism from managers usually, so if Barton gets away with it, that will be revealing. Barton knows time is slipping through his fingers, he is sounding far less positive in each interview, no surprise really as he now understands the quality and depth of what he has to work with, injury's are also not helping the cause. I think we are going down and taking an angry Barton kicking and screaming with us. There's a lot more hope of survival after today's results than there was when you wrote this, my dear Sir. I hope we can survive on goal difference, then be rid of Barton without compensation due to outside intervention. Maybe the biggest surprise of all is that the person in charge of identifying players to recruit is still here, how, why? Wael seems trigger happy with sacking people, yet this bloke has made a disastrous mess of things, it's laid bare in public, everybody can see it, and he's still employed. I don't get it. Widdrington's directorship is presumably a reward for loyalty to Al Qadi. Al Qadi does not seem to give recruitment and appointment a great deal of attention. Remember the takeover due diligence oversights? And that involved the smarter Al Qadis. As for Tommy, is he still here? The club rarely reports when directors leave and we haven’t heard a peep since the scouse Tyson Fury arrived, so maybe he’s b&ggered off back to non league? Good question, he has rather vanished. If I were him, I would be trying to remain under the radar until the Barton gamble backfires, in the hope of surviving it as the permanent victor. Barton has been able to manipulate Gasheads’ opinion of him with consummate ease. He has persuaded many that he is a likeable rogue, when in fact he is a violent man with a criminal record; and that he is a successful league 1 manager who can achieve more here than he did at Fleetwood, when in fact his 6th place finish there was achieved with a wage budget far higher than he is likely to get at Rovers. I do wonder whether the impression gained during his first meeting with Wael last Saturday is the reason for the change of tone this week and his open criticism of the club’s culture? This is what Barton really does excel at. It's scary how well he has turned so many. One can only wonder what sort of Barton we’ll get as the end of the season and his court case approaches. Al Qadi must be exploring a contingency plan. Surely? Has he got a gross misconduct card up his sleeve?
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 5, 2021 20:38:54 GMT
Page thirty-six, thirty-seven, and thirty-eight reviewed. How much did you people write while I was away?! The Wael I think most fans thought we had last June would have made a different appointment and said to us “my vision is sincere but we need to make a change in the football structure. We are continuing with the strategy which began with Ben Garner and in the short term this may mean pain for us all but I am convinced that in the long term it will lead to success for Rovers”. If he had done that I think most fans would have supported him and we would be much more united. But this appointment shows, in a very crude way, that he puts his own interests before the club or the fans. As far as we know he is gambling with his own money so he can actually do what he likes. But from what has now happened we must learn that when the time comes, as it does for every owner, we should not expect him to make a decision based on what is best for our club and the Rovers community as a whole. Wow. That's chilling. Maybe there has been an attempt at contact with those left behind by the murder of that officer, but I'm struggling with that as a concept as Barton seems very keen on promoting himself and sounded desperate to tell the world what a great guy the murderer is, so by logical extension one would imagine he would also mention any such event? Anyway, I guess we have some kind of media dept, wasn't Gorringe being given credit for communication, so presume that the interview meets the club's standards. It's a matter of bringing the club into disrepute, isn't it? I call that misconduct, and I think I've worked under contracts of employment which did likewise. All I see is potential. - A potential for JAB to start afresh in a different area. A potential to reform.
- A potential for our club to stay in 3rd division.
- A potential to unite the fanbase much in the DC style.
- A potential to be successful.
It is a pleasure to argue with O2, who always bothers to argue with rationale and consideration. The numbers above I added. - Barton still revels in glorification of violence, and has shown no consideration for his victims, remorse for his offences, nor intention to change.
- I still believe Tisdale should have had the run-in and was better equipped to keep us in the third division, but I share your concern.
- Barton couldn't unite the fanbase like Garner and Tisdale, much less like Clarke.
- I still do not expect Barton to make Rovers successful, although him so doing would not change my feelings about disrepute and identity.
I do understand better your point of view though, mate. @contradiction , not so much. Is that all you have, Sir? Swiss would take the time to write a considered rebuttal to your arguments, if you made any. I will gloss over the details of what followed contradiction's attack on a period of Rovers history in which Rovers seem to have won promotion from the third division while somehow staying afloat and paying the bills while also homeless and in exile, but please pour yourself a long drink and turn to page thirty-six to enjoy this in full, as I found it rather enlightening. The Life of Brian sketch is especially amusing. Swiss's directorship was before my time watching Rovers, and I have never seen Rovers in the second division. The departures of Matt Taylor and Graham Coughlan scuppered the last two promotion opportunities, and I do not expect to see another, at least not from this division. That's sad.Tommy, Starnes and Wael all have to go ASAP for the clueless mess of managing a football club. They are turning this club into one with the wrong sort of DNA. I share the dismay about the Widdrington, Starnes, and Al Qadi board, but it's only Barton that makes me unable to support Rovers. Widdrington has let us down badly, but should replace Barton for the remainder of the season, as I've defended elsewhere. Starnes doesn't seem to get a vote in too much of the decision making. Al Qadi has insulted and demeaned us with the Barton appointment, but I don't have an alternative. They have much work ahead of them to achieve it, but nobody else is beyond redemption, once the unrepentant violent criminal is removed from a position he should never have been considered for. Please show where there has been ANY bordering on hatred content. One thing Swiss does is give alternatives and reasons and not just sweeping accusations. Yes, absolutely. I often disagree with Swiss (although sadly he is being proved increasingly correct) but he has always written in a detailed, respectable, and considered way. It is the one who accuses Swiss of hatred who replied with 'what a load of bóllócks'. Swiss depresses me no end, but I have never read a jot of hatred from him. With regards to working hard, if I’d been working hard behind the scenes on a stadium project for five years I’d at least have expected to identify a site Quite! Some people aren't ever satisfied. Remember that Wael has the best experts, people who have built countless stadiums, if it wasn't for him putting all of this in place we may be 5 years down the road and still playing in something that looks like the film set for Carry On Camping. There's a part of me glad that BRFC has been funded for the last five years, and that the club still exists at all. But then then I consider what you detail, and I do feel cheated. The 1982 club really lucked out in the owner stakes. Very soon after their new site fell though, SL started building something massive on their existing footprint. We get a Family Tent too small for this family ever to get a ticket for. Page thirty-seven has a lot more detail about the Al Qadi takeover and failure to commit to infrastructure, stadium development, and partnership working.I notice Barton has been talking about player’s standards slipping at the club. I wonder if any of the players will ask him if he thought about his own standards when getting into that altercation with Stendel? That’s the problem with Barton and his past, it makes it very difficult for him to hold everyone else to account without looking like a raging hypocrite. If I was a player being criticised for my standards in the press by a character like Barton I’d equal parts be pissing myself and absolutely fuming at his cheek. Can you imagine taking instruction on professional conduct from such a man(ager)? It's embarassing. “You need to live your life at a high standard to have high performance”. Please tell me that did not come from the mouth of Joseph Anthony Barton? Womble gives a lovely update on The Quarters on page thirty-eightAfter 17 or so games Paul Tisdale is said to have publicly critised some players - "He's got to go ...". After 1 game Joey Barton is praised for being positive about the team. After 7 games Joey Barton is publicly critical of some players - "Good for him, they need a good kick up the ass ...". You've got to hand it to Barton. He's got people wrapped around his little finger, and I don't know how. I wonder if Barton still believes he has 20 goal a season strikers on the books or if he’s being asked to pull a rabbit out the hat? It will be interesting when he goes full Paul Tisdale and criticises the recruitment of players who aren’t good enough for the here and now. Last week he was blaming Ben Garners pre season which can’t have gone down well with half the coaching staff Nothing that ever happens is Barton's fault; there's always someone to blame. But it will be fascinating to see whether casting blame will do for Barton what it did for Tisdale. I don't believe Tisdale was ever really wanted, for some reason. But the Dear Leader does not like criticism from managers usually, so if Barton gets away with it, that will be revealing. Barton knows time is slipping through his fingers, he is sounding far less positive in each interview, no surprise really as he now understands the quality and depth of what he has to work with, injury's are also not helping the cause. I think we are going down and taking an angry Barton kicking and screaming with us. There's a lot more hope of survival after today's results than there was when you wrote this, my dear Sir. I hope we can survive on goal difference, then be rid of Barton without compensation due to outside intervention. Maybe the biggest surprise of all is that the person in charge of identifying players to recruit is still here, how, why? Wael seems trigger happy with sacking people, yet this bloke has made a disastrous mess of things, it's laid bare in public, everybody can see it, and he's still employed. I don't get it. Widdrington's directorship is presumably a reward for loyalty to Al Qadi. Al Qadi does not seem to give recruitment and appointment a great deal of attention. Remember the takeover due diligence oversights? And that involved the smarter Al Qadis. As for Tommy, is he still here? The club rarely reports when directors leave and we haven’t heard a peep since the scouse Tyson Fury arrived, so maybe he’s b&ggered off back to non league? Good question, he has rather vanished. If I were him, I would be trying to remain under the radar until the Barton gamble backfires, in the hope of surviving it as the permanent victor. Barton has been able to manipulate Gasheads’ opinion of him with consummate ease. He has persuaded many that he is a likeable rogue, when in fact he is a violent man with a criminal record; and that he is a successful league 1 manager who can achieve more here than he did at Fleetwood, when in fact his 6th place finish there was achieved with a wage budget far higher than he is likely to get at Rovers. I do wonder whether the impression gained during his first meeting with Wael last Saturday is the reason for the change of tone this week and his open criticism of the club’s culture? This is what Barton really does excel at. It's scary how well he has turned so many. One can only wonder what sort of Barton we’ll get as the end of the season and his court case approaches. Al Qadi must be exploring a contingency plan. Surely? Has he got a gross misconduct card up his sleeve? Frig me, in depth or what - ✔
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 5, 2021 20:42:01 GMT
Thought Hanlan had a great game and McCormick just gets better in every game. The whole team played very well today, well done lads and UTG I missed todays game, the first one for a while. I might miss a few more if it gets results. Pop, it's all on you if we stay up or not, you are our lucky mascot please don't watch another game this season and we will survive. đź‘€
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Post by george on Apr 5, 2021 22:40:32 GMT
This forum was for " All things Rovers related " With the large amount of loathsome posts on here nowadays it should be renamed " All things Rovers hated " In all my years of reading forums and especially this forum I've never seen so many detestable posts as I've seen over the last few months.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 22:44:26 GMT
This forum was for " All things Rovers related " With the large amount of loathsome posts on here nowadays it should be renamed " All things Rovers hated " In all my years of reading forums and especially this forum I've never seen so many detestable posts as I've seen over the last few months. Hire a detestable manager. Get detestable posts. It’s not exactly rocket science is it?!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 23:17:37 GMT
This forum was for " All things Rovers related " With the large amount of loathsome posts on here nowadays it should be renamed " All things Rovers hated " In all my years of reading forums and especially this forum I've never seen so many detestable posts as I've seen over the last few months. And all you've managed to add is negativity. You could at least have told us a joke. Here you go, how about this one to get things started. Why did the chicken go to the séance? To get to the other side.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 6, 2021 5:23:50 GMT
FAO shoveler...
"All I see is potential. A potential for JAB to start afresh in a different area. A potential to reform. A potential for our club to stay in 3rd division. A potential to unite the fanbase much in the DC style. A potential to be successful. "
"It is a pleasure to argue with O2, who always bothers to argue with rationale and consideration. The numbers above I added. Barton still revels in glorification of violence, and has shown no consideration for his victims, remorse for his offences, nor intention to change. I still believe Tisdale should have had the run-in and was better equipped to keep us in the third division, but I share your concern. Barton couldn't unite the fanbase like Garner and Tisdale, much less like Clarke. I still do not expect Barton to make Rovers successful, although him so doing would not change my feelings about disrepute and identity. I do understand better your point of view though, mate"
Thank you for bothering to consider my rationale, me ole ducky mate.... and while this post feels like ages ago, you have inadvertently made my point for me.
My post was highlighted potential for the future. Your retort post was highlighting the past.
Neither is wrong, because JAB had potential to show remorse before, make a new start etc, and has chosen to glorify some of his actions.... but that doesn't mean the potential is lost from his Gas career onwards..
Something about celebration of one sinner repenting....?
Has anyone stopped to think we could actually be good for JAB, this move could help him? Possibly help him to deal with his demons in a positive way?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 7:34:23 GMT
I enjoyed the debate on page thirty-nine regarding Coughlan, Garner, Al Qadi ambition, promotion and stagnation on page thirty-nine, which I recommend to the reader.Sound bites are easy and they will soon run out. When Barton marched onto the pitch yesterday to blame the referee for the result using language that eventually resulted in him earning a yellow card it reinforced my opinion that we have the wrong person employed as the face of Bristol Rovers. He cannot accept responsibility and looks to blame others when things go wrong. The ref, the subs, the Rovers culture, which he now owns etc. When he eventually leaves his position at our club he will move back up North with his cronies and won't give two hoots for Bristol or Bristol Rovers Football Club. We will all still be here though. Cadbury's sponsored NHS thanking doorstep drop-offs by Barton are filmed and promoted on Twitter by Gorringe to sanitise the Barton image, and this is lapped up by people who manage the mental gymnastics required to glorify Barton's violence while celebrating what a wonderfully kind man he is doing all this work for charidee. It's nauseating to all who see through it, but Barton and the board are using BRFC to launder the image of Barton in the run-up to his criminal trial for the violent attack in the tunnel committed while at Fleetwood Town. The cult of personality trumps all moral integrity nowadays. Just read the transcript of the post match interview. Players didn’t put their bodies on the line, and those players will be out of the club on Monday. Big words, but when pressed he backtracks and turns 180 degrees. Then it became players who come back on Monday and tell him they’re not up to the challenge will be bombed out. Now who really is going to come back and do that? Again, as with the Hull game, it’s big tough words which when you scratch beneath the surface are meaningless populist drivel. Two weeks later and all is forgotten. Meaningless populist drivel puts you in the White House these days, so I suppose we ought not be so surprised when the same stunts are pulled on our football club. What's scary is the enthusiasm a section of our support have for the violence and nastiness. Rovers fans are desperate for populist drivel. If there is one area in which Barton excels as a manager it’s knowing what the fanbase wants. We’ve had two managers who haven’t connected with the fans because of a perceived lack of passion and in Tisdale’s case an image at odds with that of the football fan. They want someone like them who can talk a good game about sorting the lazy modern footballer out. Barton knows this and gives them that by the bucket load. At times I’ve been impressed by the words he used and it’s been indicative of him understanding the problems at the club. But he also comes across as almost reading from a script in terms of the way he hits the buttons he should be pressing in terms of how to keep the fans onside despite the defeats. Not much actual substance to those words yet. This really is what Barton is best at. There's a part of me which admires the sheer audacity and ability to play us for fools. Barton is a clever and manipulative man, with the ability to hit a soundbite crooked politicians would be proud of. All he had to be was no worse than Garner and Tisdale and we’d be safe. There was no miracle to be performed as the fanatics would lead you to believe. He is worse than Garner and Tisdale. Even after yesterday's win (and the results in other fixtures which might also save us from relegation) this remains true. Barton has given up on the season going by his interview. Looks like he is planning on ripping everything up and bringing in all his own staff and hangers on like Jennings. I know he is softly spoken in interviews, but nothing in his interview screamed any fight in trying to keep the team up. A DC or a GC interview would at least give you a they will die trying, no stone unturned to stay up even if you ultimately fail. JB seems like he wants nothing to do with the here and now and has to have it all his way despite signing on for this. Why oh why is Barton given this licence? Tisdale improved upon Garner and was sacked in no time. Barton seems to have something on Al Qadi. It's inexplicable. Page forty has further debate on this I recommend to the reader.“I’ve just come from a meeting with the owner and CEO...” where apparently he told them what was wrong at the club. He’s here for the “great reset”. He’s got a plan but he can’t actually tell anyone what that is. When it got to the end it suddenly dawned on me that he had spent a good 10 minutes telling everyone that the problems were elsewhere: the referees, the club, the players. The only thing he said himself of how he was going to fix things was that he had a plan but he couldn’t actually discuss what the plan was. It was a complete load of flannel in my view; if Tisdale had come out with that s***e the general consensus would have been that he’s a chancer. Yet because of Barton’s Instagramability the love in seems stronger than ever on Gaschat. Are these really the depths to which we are sunk? Yes. Every one of those players will know that if the club gets relegated they will be fighting for their future. A good portion will already be contracted though so if they become persona non grata they are still guaranteed a wage for a year. What a nice position to be in, especially during the pandemic. The Teflon Prince must surely also be wondering if he’ll finally be asked to clear his desk soon, especially as Barton, the CEO and the owner appear to have been discussing the future behind his back. I wonder if there is an element of Barton himself not knowing where he will be at the start of next season? The Crown Court and Football Association surely bear some influence on that question. The current squad is not his fault and neither was it Tisdale's who was battling with a non league DOF from the day he arrived. If Barton has been given free reign to rebuild from scratch then I wish it had been his predecessor. As I said at the time of his appointment, Tisdale can rebuild a football club given time, it's on his CV but his appointment to fire fight somebody else's squad was wrong and Barton is making an even worse job of it. Widdrington should have been made to do that role until the end of the season. I wish Barton would stop repetitively hammering the officials, we know they are crap on occasions and it is part of the British game at this level but we are not being singled out but could be soon with his continuing personal comments against them. Well, the players and coaches now know that many of them won't be here next season as team Barton is being lined up to replace them. I hope Wael has a plan B if and when Barton either gets sent to prison, receives an FA ban in June. I agree with this entirely. Why we appointed Tisdale without the mandate now given Barton, and then sacked him so quickly I will never understand. I really hope Al Qadi's plan does involve Barton leaving in the summer with the help of the Crown or Association. Barton is a master of deflecting blame, he does it every time things go wrong for him in football and his numerous brushes with violence both inside and outside the game. This is why I can't understand all the calls to forgive and to move on. Barton has taken zero responsibility for them, demonstrates zero remorse, yet deserves privilege and support? Not from me, he doesn't. I’m sure Vlad just wants justice to be done- as we all should. But I’m sure there are those who want justice not to be done just so Joey Barton can still be the pride of Bristol Rovers. I think people are under estimating what the FA will do if Barton is found guilty but walks free. I can honestly see the club becoming a laughing stock by the FA trying to ban Barton from stadiums and Rovers trying to work around it by having him managing by phone. Rovers are a shameless club I really fear Barton fans approach to his trial and its consequences. It could get worse than shameless yet. BRFC should never have been dragged into it. Weal is a simpleton. He is the central problem. A gerbil in a china shop. I know I know you, rowdenhill , but I don't know who I know.
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Post by rowdenhill on Apr 6, 2021 8:25:01 GMT
Well, seems it's a bit 50/50 whether I'm a known unknown or an unknown known. Perhaps neither - or both? Possibly a known known? Maybe an unknown unknown? An unknown gnome? An ungnome known? Nones of March?
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Post by womble on Apr 6, 2021 8:35:23 GMT
I’m not sure whether I should warn shoveler against leaving, as it gives him so much to read on his return, or recommend he does it regularly, as he gives us excellent summaries on his reappearance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 9:51:11 GMT
FAO shoveler... "All I see is potential. A potential for JAB to start afresh in a different area. A potential to reform. A potential for our club to stay in 3rd division. A potential to unite the fanbase much in the DC style. A potential to be successful. " "It is a pleasure to argue with O2, who always bothers to argue with rationale and consideration. The numbers above I added. Barton still revels in glorification of violence, and has shown no consideration for his victims, remorse for his offences, nor intention to change. I still believe Tisdale should have had the run-in and was better equipped to keep us in the third division, but I share your concern. Barton couldn't unite the fanbase like Garner and Tisdale, much less like Clarke. I still do not expect Barton to make Rovers successful, although him so doing would not change my feelings about disrepute and identity. I do understand better your point of view though, mate" Thank you for bothering to consider my rationale, me ole ducky mate.... and while this post feels like ages ago, you have inadvertently made my point for me. My post was highlighted potential for the future. Your retort post was highlighting the past. Neither is wrong, because JAB had potential to show remorse before, make a new start etc, and has chosen to glorify some of his actions.... but that doesn't mean the potential is lost from his Gas career onwards.. Something about celebration of one sinner repenting....? Has anyone stopped to think we could actually be good for JAB, this move could help him? Possibly help him to deal with his demons in a positive way? Barton also has the potential to lose his temper again and hurt someone, again. We aren't dealing with a disadvantaged individual who has nothing, has never had a break in life and has nothing to lose, he's just someone whose default reaction when things go wrong in life is to get angry. BTW, that's the exact opposite of an intelligent response to the situation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 10:08:09 GMT
FAO shoveler... "All I see is potential. A potential for JAB to start afresh in a different area. A potential to reform. A potential for our club to stay in 3rd division. A potential to unite the fanbase much in the DC style. A potential to be successful. " "It is a pleasure to argue with O2, who always bothers to argue with rationale and consideration. The numbers above I added. Barton still revels in glorification of violence, and has shown no consideration for his victims, remorse for his offences, nor intention to change. I still believe Tisdale should have had the run-in and was better equipped to keep us in the third division, but I share your concern. Barton couldn't unite the fanbase like Garner and Tisdale, much less like Clarke. I still do not expect Barton to make Rovers successful, although him so doing would not change my feelings about disrepute and identity. I do understand better your point of view though, mate" Thank you for bothering to consider my rationale, me ole ducky mate.... and while this post feels like ages ago, you have inadvertently made my point for me. My post was highlighted potential for the future. Your retort post was highlighting the past. Neither is wrong, because JAB had potential to show remorse before, make a new start etc, and has chosen to glorify some of his actions.... but that doesn't mean the potential is lost from his Gas career onwards.. Something about celebration of one sinner repenting....? Has anyone stopped to think we could actually be good for JAB, this move could help him? Possibly help him to deal with his demons in a positive way? Barton also has the potential to lose his temper again and hurt someone, again. We aren't dealing with a disadvantaged individual who has nothing, has never had a break in life and has nothing to lose, he's just someone whose default reaction when things go wrong in life is to get angry. BTW, that's the exact opposite of an intelligent response to the situation. What consequences has he faced for that reaction? I really struggle with the concept that there are dis-advantaged people in life who never done half the s**t that Barton has done and never get a break whilst Barton stubs out cigars, attacks people from behind, disgraced the names of his clubs and is rewarded with fat contracts. As far as I can see his career has never suffered for it. Even after an accusation of assault of another manager he has still found another managerial job. Incredible.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 6, 2021 10:18:17 GMT
FAO shoveler... "All I see is potential. A potential for JAB to start afresh in a different area. A potential to reform. A potential for our club to stay in 3rd division. A potential to unite the fanbase much in the DC style. A potential to be successful. " "It is a pleasure to argue with O2, who always bothers to argue with rationale and consideration. The numbers above I added. Barton still revels in glorification of violence, and has shown no consideration for his victims, remorse for his offences, nor intention to change. I still believe Tisdale should have had the run-in and was better equipped to keep us in the third division, but I share your concern. Barton couldn't unite the fanbase like Garner and Tisdale, much less like Clarke. I still do not expect Barton to make Rovers successful, although him so doing would not change my feelings about disrepute and identity. I do understand better your point of view though, mate" Thank you for bothering to consider my rationale, me ole ducky mate.... and while this post feels like ages ago, you have inadvertently made my point for me. My post was highlighted potential for the future. Your retort post was highlighting the past. Neither is wrong, because JAB had potential to show remorse before, make a new start etc, and has chosen to glorify some of his actions.... but that doesn't mean the potential is lost from his Gas career onwards.. Something about celebration of one sinner repenting....? Has anyone stopped to think we could actually be good for JAB, this move could help him? Possibly help him to deal with his demons in a positive way? Barton also has the potential to lose his temper again and hurt someone, again. We aren't dealing with a disadvantaged individual who has nothing, has never had a break in life and has nothing to lose, he's just someone whose default reaction when things go wrong in life is to get angry. BTW, that's the exact opposite of an intelligent response to the situation. No one mentioned disadvantaged....one could argue white privilege, but that's not relevant either. Again, your post mainly focusses on the past (apart from the potential to do harm, which is a very valid point) which isn't under contest, the future is. We do (as a club, fanbase and business in the community) have potential and great capability to help him. And others. For his future well-being. We can do good here, there's definitely an opportunity for JAB to reform...
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