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Post by harrybuckle on Mar 27, 2021 20:58:29 GMT
Just seen Tommy Widdrington odds on with mint bet for Rovers job with his excellent caretaker record. Joey and entourage off to Deepdale.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 21:07:56 GMT
I know odds are famously unstable at this stage - but something is behind this for him to be odds on
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 21:23:21 GMT
Anyone noticed who’s the favourite for the Preston job? 😂 😂 Good spot Sir! Mr Punchy is favourite at Evens. That's cheered me up a bit. You think Rovers will lose some of the Stone Island clad support to the Lilywhites? Fingers crossed on both counts. You watch the bile and hate from his fan club members if that happens 😂 It won’t though, no-one is mad enough to touch him at the moment and if that wasn’t bad enough his recent managerial record will put the final nail in it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 21:24:36 GMT
I know odds are famously unstable at this stage - but something is behind this for him to be odds on We could all see he wanted out. He’ll be begging his agent to get him that job but I still can’t see them touching him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 21:30:52 GMT
Good spot Sir! Mr Punchy is favourite at Evens. That's cheered me up a bit. You think Rovers will lose some of the Stone Island clad support to the Lilywhites? Fingers crossed on both counts. You watch the bile and hate from his fan club members if that happens 😂 It won’t though, no-one is mad enough to touch him at the moment and if that wasn’t bad enough his recent managerial record will put the final nail in it There would be a fair bit of booing and hissing I would guess
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Post by womble on Mar 27, 2021 21:33:18 GMT
I know odds are famously unstable at this stage - but something is behind this for him to be odds on Who can we think of who likes a bet...?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 17:00:57 GMT
Page twenty-nine reviewed. And just like that, Shoveler has flown the nest again. Can you blame me? It's a depressing struggle at times. Everyone needs a break, from time to time. Oh dear.....why? What have you done!? Bambi's not guilty. Well, this time, anyway. Don't think it's my fault, not this time anyway. Mike has served his ban for his stupid behaviour and has been allowed back on here, in his many guises, maybe that's a factor, I honestly don't know. Check the date that Mr Punchy's court hearing is scheduled for, there's a very good chance that migration flight paths may bring him back this way around about the same time. Take care Shoves, the place is better with you. Mike ought to stop posting fake news deliberately to antagonise Gas Guzzlers, but ought not be banned. You know I'll be around in time for prosecution. And thank you. Sometimes a short time out is good for the soul so take a rest Shoveler, preen your feathers and come back refreshed. xx Thank you Sir. I have, and I am. Glad you didn't quit again; I know the inclination arises. Joey Barton is unfit to manage Bristol Rovers, by the way.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 2, 2021 17:12:52 GMT
Page twenty-nine reviewed. And just like that, Shoveler has flown the nest again. Can you blame me? It's a depressing struggle at times. Everyone needs a break, from time to time. Oh dear.....why? What have you done!? Bambi's not guilty. Well, this time, anyway. Don't think it's my fault, not this time anyway. Mike has served his ban for his stupid behaviour and has been allowed back on here, in his many guises, maybe that's a factor, I honestly don't know. Check the date that Mr Punchy's court hearing is scheduled for, there's a very good chance that migration flight paths may bring him back this way around about the same time. Take care Shoves, the place is better with you. Mike ought to stop posting fake news deliberately to antagonise Gas Guzzlers, but ought not be banned. You know I'll be around in time for prosecution. And thank you. Sometimes a short time out is good for the soul so take a rest Shoveler, preen your feathers and come back refreshed. xx Thank you Sir. I have, and I am. Glad you didn't quit again; I know the inclination arises. Joey Barton is unfit to manage Bristol Rovers, by the way. Welcome back, Ducky Boy!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 18:15:00 GMT
Page thirty reviewed. A number have been either banned temporarily or in extremis sine die, usually for obvious wums. It's not something the moderators or Admin take lightly and is usually in response to a number of complaints. In fact its something that we hate to do as we feel that we should all be treated as adults (even those who whinge! ) We have heard nothing from Shoveler and I like others are disappointed that he has gone. I hope he returns soon. You know I can't keep away for long, Chesh. I'm hardly going to fit in on Gaschat, at my age, and the moderators there are certainly not of your team's calibre. Sterling work from all the admins. At least you ban them for breaking forum rules rather than disagreeing with a moderator like happens elsewhere. Precisely. Gas Guzzler is the most decent conversation I've found on the internet as a result. Sad again that Shoveler has decided to have a rest. Don’t remember his feathers getting particularly ruffled by anyone, perhaps he just wants a rest. Hope we hear from mom soon in another of his reincarnations. Mods do a great job but it must be thankless. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Sometimes it’s just best to take a rest perhaps and go off and do something different. UTG! We all need a rest sometimes, and we come back all the better for it, I think. Spot on about moderation, but I think ours are committed to freedom of speech. Yes, agree KP. Definitely good to have around is epping. UTG Uncle Eppers is rock solid. I think he's just absolutely disillusioned by Al Qadi tents, cronyism, and sackings; and the quite disgraceful appointment of Joey Barton. He's not alone. Come back allygas he has gone (yet again) sadly he will be back (yet again) maybe he could change his username to something more suitable like Thrush. Tymer, you've made a knob of yourself, I'm afraid. As far as I am concerned, allygas is very welcome here, despite her grammar, and despite her arrival being purely to attack those of us against Joey Barton's appointment, of whom you are a member yourself, I believe. She won't be back though, I believe. But 'sadly' I must disappoint you (yet again) by returning to my favourite website. Don't be 'sad'. The feeling is not mutual, Sir. I look forward to reading what you have to say about Barton, Rovers, and the rest. Good evening, Sir. Um, I think one thing was ducky boy took exception to being impolitely invited to consume his football in BS3.... And we beat Accy quite easily, thus improving JABs profile... I felt neutral to the Accy result. Relieved for the long-term, but disillusioned if it prolonged 'Barton's Rovers'. As for the 'f... off to Ashton Gate' stuff, I do hate that, although I wasn't the victim; I think it was Bambi. You know a Gas Guzzler has lost it when they resort to telling Gasheads to 'f... off to Ashton'. Must be more careful not mixing Barton's motivation ability with his ability to blow a fuse and assault people from behind. The manager's an animal. It was me who was told, this time, that wanting the club to be better run and responsible in the way it considers things such as its public image meant that I wasn't a 'proper supporter' and should join the red mob down at the DSS Arena. But I think that Shoves is beyond bored with yet another person deciding that they should arbitrarily dictate requirements for supporting Rovers. Beyond bored is spot on. Interesting Giggs won’t be taking charge of Wales whilst on bail. I guess the public face of a national team is more important than that at a rag bag tin pot league 1 club. The public face of our rag bag tin pot third division club could not be much worse than represented by Joseph Anthony Barton. Oops! Yes, that would do it, wouldn’t it? Still sad. UTG! Don't be sad. Like all addicts, I'm addicted for life. Today, after five losses in a row, I relapsed. Steady improvement since his arrival and we comprehensively put one of our bogey games to rest. Come the after match interview we were treated to insightful and encouraging thoughts and views, delivered with no small measure of humour. What a contrast to the last 2 boring charisma free incumbents. What’s not to like? Surely even the Barton Haters must be changing their minds. Strangely, after Barton losing five matches in a row, that hasn't happened, Town Gas. Although you seem to have vanished. To summarise: Trying to be objective but if you’re not a sworn footsoldier then you must be a Barton hater, Pleasantly surprised at some of his interviews and Tuesdays result, Didnt feel the elation I would have done pre Barton. I want to but can’t, just disconnected from the club in general and see it as a circus, I may warm to him to a point but don’t see his going to prison as a badge of honour like a lot seem to, If it wasn’t for people like me being against his appointment then I don’t think you’d have these fanatics worshipping the ground he walks on. It’s polarisation. A bit weird I very much hope since you wrote this you are more firmly against Joey Barton's continued stewardship of Bristol Rovers Football Club. I think Angas supporting Joey Barton would have broken my heart. That’s the problem though, for me, this whole idea that people’s principles should go out of the window because of a 4-1 win against Accrington. If you can’t stand by your convictions just because your football team tells you you can’t well....there are no words. Football is a stupid game, it’s not life or death, it doesn’t feed your family or keep you in a job and it shouldn’t put you in a position where you have to compromise your principles to continue supporting it. Absolutely correct. If Joey Barton wins every game from this point in, I will still be wholeheartedly against this thug's association with the football club into which I induct my own duckling. Agree with that wm, it's principles that help guide us through our lives and are key to our decision making. From my own perspective, it's the appointment, and those responsible for the appointment that is the issue not the man personally, to call those that disagree with the appointment on this thread 'Barton Haters' is rather churlish. I have no problem's with pro Barton fan's that is their prerogative and I respect that, they are also fellow Gasheads so should demand a certain level of respect. You're quite correct, although I do not see 'Barton Hater' as an insult. I 'hate' what he has done to our reputation, for sure. But that’s the point Vlad, it’s not polarisation, not at all. I, like many was surprised by his appointment. He wouldn’t have been my choice, mostly because I’d seen the bad press and I thought he was an out and out bad guy. However he was appointed and so I put my reservations to one side and decided I had to keep an open mind. It turned out I had a very one dimensional view of him. I had accepted he was a horrible person because I had casually observed all the headlines and, like others, had enjoyed the crowd baiting when he was at our place with Fleetwood and jeered joyously when he got sent to the stands by the ref. However, I was surprised by his personality when he was interviewed on arrival, have enjoyed the consistency of his message and admired his wit and humour and have seen there is no small measure of intelligence about the man, far more than there has been shown by most of the managers we’ve played under during my 60 or so years being a Gasheads. So there you go. Whether he is a truly reformed character with regard to how he controls his temper and the red mist, that remains to be seen. The fact is I have revised my opinion of JB, it remains to be seen if he can convince me further but unalloyed, non-critical adoration? Not me. Fair enough. I think you will find Barton to be neither as intelligent as he pretends, nor even slightly reformed. There is a fair amount of judicial evidence that he is 'a horrible person', in my interpretation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 18:48:43 GMT
Fair enough. I think you will find Barton to be neither as intelligent as he pretends, nor even slightly reformed. There is a fair amount of judicial evidence that he is 'a horrible person', in my interpretation. The courts will make a judgement on how reformed he was as of the date of the alleged Barnsley incident. If it actually makes it to a hearing that is. As for intelligence, he talks in a self assured and authoritative way, in my opinion that confidence is often without basis, but as the Milgram Experiments demonstrated, just establishing yourself as an authority figure can give you a huge amount of control over people. Is he clever? No, I don't think he is, not at all.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 2, 2021 18:55:39 GMT
"You know a Gas Guzzler has lost it when they resort to telling Gasheads to 'f... off to Ashton" Totally disagree. I think it's unfair to blame the forum for freedom of speech, as you've mentioned above, and level a generalisation from one individual... At least as a ducky you could fly over Ashton tomorrow..... and um ..... ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 19:02:02 GMT
Fair enough. I think you will find Barton to be neither as intelligent as he pretends, nor even slightly reformed. There is a fair amount of judicial evidence that he is 'a horrible person', in my interpretation. The courts will make a judgement on how reformed he was as of the date of the alleged Barnsley incident. If it actually makes it to a hearing that is. As for intelligence, he talks in a self assured and authoritative way, in my opinion that confidence is often without basis, but as the Milgram Experiments demonstrated, just establishing yourself as an authority figure can give you a huge amount of control over people. Is he clever? No, I don't think he is, not at all. He thinks he’s clever though, like with all the mind games to try and get referees to give us decisions for fear of conspiracy. Sadly he’s less Alex Ferguson and more Massey Ferguson. To be fair to him though, he’s got the intellectual capabilities of the average football fan sussed and knows what to say and do to have them eating out of his hand. He can play them like a stradivarius and his disciple’s collective braying then results in his reputation being blown up to heights it’s never actually reached in reality.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 19:12:16 GMT
The courts will make a judgement on how reformed he was as of the date of the alleged Barnsley incident. If it actually makes it to a hearing that is. As for intelligence, he talks in a self assured and authoritative way, in my opinion that confidence is often without basis, but as the Milgram Experiments demonstrated, just establishing yourself as an authority figure can give you a huge amount of control over people. Is he clever? No, I don't think he is, not at all. He thinks he’s clever though, like with all the mind games to try and get referees to give us decisions for fear of conspiracy. Sadly he’s less Alex Ferguson and more Massey Ferguson. To be fair to him though, he’s got the intellectual capabilities of the average football fan sussed and knows what to say and do to have them eating out of his hand. He can play them like a stradivarius and his disciple’s collective braying then results in his reputation being blown up to heights it’s never actually reached in reality. Again, it's not because he's saying or doing anything particularly clever, it's largely deferential behaviour towards authority figures. His self confidence appears to be sky high, but that's mainly because he gets what he wants from an audience, it's an upwards spiral. Police rely heavily on this. Take the costume away and they are just normal people.
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Post by Angas on Apr 2, 2021 22:03:13 GMT
Aahh. No danger of that. The sooner this bloke's gone, the better.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 23:22:00 GMT
Page thirty-one reviewed. I care very little about Joey Barton and his relative merits - my interest is in Bristol Rovers Football Club and what it is that I am supporting/giving my money to. We have appointed a man to our highest profile position who has a criminal court case standing over his head for a violent assault while carrying out that role. This is not normal or acceptable practice in any other line of work. This is not a one off incident but the latest in a long line of actions that have shown contempt for the game and the roles he's had within it. There is no evidence of any 'reform' having occurred. This appointment suggests that the club is rotten to me and without any kind of moral compass. I wouldn't be prepared to work in a place in which this sort of thing occurred, I wouldn't accept somebody in my family or a friend behaving in this way (I mean the appointment not the action of Barton) and I'm not prepared to give my money and support to a football club that does this. No doubt I will be rendered a hypocrit at some point because there are people I only see at Rovers who mean a lot to me so I will inevitable end up attending games at some point, which makes me angry. It makes me question what the point of supporting the club full-stop is really. I currently do not care if we win or lose. That may change and others may think differently but if you don't care then you don't care and that is where I currently am. Ulitmately, I am more sad than angry. Winning 4-1 vs Accy doesn't really come into it. I quote Irish here, to add nothing, but to preserve these words in the hope they are widely read. What a crying shame. All of what Irish said, with just one slight amendment. Whilst in football terms Tuesday's result didn't matter much to me, I understood that it did make an awful lot of people that are part of the extended 'Gas' family very happy. Having been part of that community for over 50 years I can't prevent myself being happy for the thousands who would have been thrilled with a big home win that took the club out of the relegation places. That aside, I'm close to actually wishing failure on those who made this appointment on behalf on 'my' club. And that's some kind of conundrum, the last thing I want is Rovers to fail, but equally those who made this disgraceful appointment most certainly shouldn't profit from it in any way. I wrote on here that I hoped Rovers lose if it meant a quicker cleansing of the Barton stain. I failed to stick to it. I can't wish for gashead misery, and I can't wish for defeat if it risks relegation, which it really has and does. It also does not seem to hasten Barton's departure. He's lost 72.7% of his first eleven games, including now five losses in a row, yet he's bulletproof. It's a shame. Same for me, I couldn't be elated on Tuesday evening and that's not personal choice, that was how I felt. Pleased, yes, but in a 'nice to see my old team win' rather than a 'gas forever' kind of way. Even if aspects of what Barton has done has impressed me, love and support for the club has gone and that can't be changed by either good results or being told to '#### off to Ashton'. I don’t want to see them relegated but if they were I don’t think it would bother me like it did in previous years, particularly 2014. And to follow on from the original question - it’s not anti-Barton, a Barton hater or whatever. I can objectively see what he’s doing well, but I can also see things which I don’t like which others seem to. And I just can’t support him I don't think you could be more generous. You're right, and Barton's appointment is wrong. I don’t think it works like that in football - having a manager who is in tune with the players be in charge until the eve of the tournament....when suddenly he’s not. The FAW have grabbed the bull by the horns and have dealt with it on their own terms by taking him out of the spotlight at least. By contrast I would put big money on Wael not having any kind of a plan for Barton, except maybe try and brazen it out if he is found guilty and then hope for the best. I am just so surprised that Al Qadi doesn't care about the reputational damage. It seems to matter so much less than social media furoré, which seems to be the only game in town. I to despise what JB has brought to our table and who knows what his future is with the cases he is facing and for our great football club. We have him here for now and i will never give up my support for the club, i like many others would crawl to the Wimbledon game on saturday. We have to stay in L1 at all costs and if JB keeps us up then great, we will be in a much better position to build for next season and beyond. If JB is still here then so be it, but if he goes to prison then the board will have to sort that out when that happens. The club is bigger than any of us and it must survive, if we go down then i fear a double relegation could well happen. This is very balanced, but I do not understand your position. That's not a criticism; I think I admire your view. But I cannot share it. This really matters. If Barton was the only way to preserve our third division status, then his appointment would still be unacceptable to me. Your view is the opposite, and I respect it. Barton has achieved a lower win percentage and a higher loss percentage than any other recent manager though, so he has cemented what was previously a risk of relegation into relegation certainty, I'm afraid. This is my concern. I mean, innocent till proven guilty and all that, but evidence in the public domain does suggest that if you can find odds on our man being found guilty, then it's time to lump on! And of course, if he is found guilty, it is very difficult to see him not getting a custodial. It is hard to believe - yet entirely believable- that the board are just hoping for the best. The board have lost their tiny minds. In simple terms (because that's what I am), if you love or care for something enough to invest time and money in, you would be a fool not to find contingency for every expected event, and most unexpected you can think of.....it's like a due diligence. It doesn't always need to be made public in contemporary terms. I'm setting that one up for anyone whom wants to post the inevitable reply... But there should be a plan b for every position, that's just being responsible. As for the FAW, yep I understood why they've taken their course of action, to err on the side of caution, but you can't have it both ways. Giggs is innocent until proven guilty, and support has been withdrawn. That's open to criticism. To compare it to our situation isn't fair to describe us as tin pot....it looks like a throwaway comment borne out of frustration. For instance, if JAB avoids conviction and is successful in retaining our 3rd division status, whilst, Wales succumb to nothing in tournament and underperform.....what will we have learned? It's a gamble, and I've no idea of Plan B. Barton made a possibility of relegation into a probability. It looks probable that he will be both relegated and convicted. Plan B must be to sack. I hate the club sacking managers, but we've sacked two better managers already this season. Widdrington and/or Maher can see out the run-in, but Al Qadi is wedded to the Barton defence, it seems. We've learned that the present owner doesn't understand the history and tradition of our club. Of course I have no idea at all what's said behind closed doors, but if the court case goes ahead and if he's convicted and then unable to fulfil the terms of his contract with Rovers I wonder if we'll hear a statement suggesting that they are disappointed as Barton had assured them that he was innocent and was looking forward to the opportunity to prove that in court. Yes, is this it? Supporters who receive a football related conviction receive a life ban at Bristol Rovers, or at least they did. If true, then Barton must receive the same if convicted this summer. Good riddance. Funny isn't it, looking back 5 years, amongst the first things the new owners did when they arrived was remove that petty and vindictive ban, appeared to be well placed financially, and spoke about the importance of communication was residents when making plans for things such as stadium developments. It really did feel as if everything that had been wrong in the past was about to change... Having said that, as far as I'm aware nobody has been banned for expressing opinion, so that's a big step in the right direction at least. There's still time. 'Consistent' criticism, anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 7:56:13 GMT
Page thirty-two reviewed. This is worth checking for yourselves. Joey Barton headbutted and punched Barnsley manager in the tunnelJoey Barton hadn’t made too many headlines since becoming manager of League One Fleetwood Town in the summer. That was until yesterday. Barton’s Fleetwood lost 4-2 to promotion-chasing Barnsley. But that result is rather irrelevant compared to what apparently happened in the tunnel after the final whistle. Reports were soon emerging that police were investigating after Barton had ‘assaulted’ Barnsley manager Daniel Stendel. Those reports gathered pace when Barnsley player Cauley Woodrow tweeted - before quickly deleting this: "To have a manager that can physically assault another manager in the tunnel is disgusting, causing our manager to have blood pouring from his face! People like you don’t deserve a place in the game of football, you are foul." Then, Sky Sports cameras captured Barton attempted to leave Oakwell in a car before being stopped by police. And now, witnesses have come out and explained exactly what happened. In a report in The Sun, witnesses claim Stendel lost two teeth after being headbutted and punched by Barton. Wow. According to two witnesses, the argument was sparked when Fleetwood’s Harry Souttar was sent off in the 65th minute. At full-time, Barton is accused of chasing Stendel down the tunnel before the German called the former Newcastle and Manchester City midfielder a “f***ing scally.” Barton reacted with a headbutt, before punching his opposite number and grabbing him by the throat. “Barton lost his rag after Stendel got involved in the sending-off," a witness said. “Barton was protesting to officials when Stendel told him to ‘leave it, it is what it is.’ Barton was sat on the bench after the sending-off, absolutely furious Stendel had got involved. At the end he went down the tunnel and started having a go. The other manager called him a ‘f***ing scally’ and Barton headbutted and punched him and put his hands around this throat. Nobody could believe what they were seeing.” Barnsley confirmed that an incident is being investigated by South Yorkshire Police. A statement read: 'The Club can confirm there was an alleged incident in the tunnel area that took place following the conclusion of today’s match, which South Yorkshire police are investigating. The Club is assisting the police with its enquiries and, as a result, we are not in a position to make any further comment at this time.' We certainly haven’t heard the end of this incident. Joey Barton is unfit to manage Bristol Rovers. Firstly @ftfc to have a manager that can physically assault another manager in the tunnel is disgusting, causing our manager to have blood pouring from his face!! People like you don't deserve a place in the game of football you are foul... People like Joey Barton don't deserve to manage Bristol Rovers. Whatever, atm he is innocent until proven otherwise. His footballing credentials are the only thing we should be worried about... I really am. I didn’t know about these accounts of the incident. If, and it’s a big if, they are proven to be true then surely there’s no place in football management for him. How any club could employ him with this hanging over him beggars belief. I give you... Mr Wael Al Qadi. It's been suggested on here that there's CCTV footage of the incident as well. But towngas appears to be suggesting that the sort of comment put up by that player may cause a case against someone to collapse, if indeed there is a case to answer in the first place. I have no idea whatsoever about the legal mechanism of this type of thing. I've heard from separate informed sources that Police have CCTV evidence. I would love to see it, but I'd rather a jury did. Nor me, but I assumed we employed him knowing he was likely to be cleared. If we’re employing him on the basis that he did it but the case will probably fall apart due to legal technicalities then we really are in the gutter. Quite so. Dear oh dear, it makes me really wonder at wtf Wael is doing hiring a guy who acts like that when he is representing his club in an official capacity as manager. I despair. No doubt some Rovers fans will be w*** themselves daft over my snowflake-ness because I object so strongly. Innocent until proven guilty but the guy didn’t magically lose his teeth and I can’t say I’ve heard anything about this incident that paints Barton in a good light and makes it seem like he was the victim/has any mitigation. No-one claims to have been there and stuck up for him as the wronged party. Wael should stand by his man and insist he wears a club blazer to the court hearing, he’s shown him off on Twitter On his first day of training so he should show him off on his way to court too. A proud day for all involved with Bristol Rovers FC Exactly. For the first time in my life, I am truly ashamed of Bristol Rovers Football Club. ...part of the appeal of Barton is his forbidden fruit status. Our fans love to shock and offend so when they are given a manager who can get that reaction from their fellow fans it makes his appeal all the greater. There’s a massive cult of personality effect around Barton. It’s literally like Christmas come early for some, particularly for those who shouted loudest about how much they couldn’t stand him when he was arrested whilst Fleetwood manager. They love to hate him and they love to support him, their moral compass blowing in the breeze. This is very sad. It can make sense if we acknowledge that a victim culture has developed within Rovers and that many fans are convinced the reason we fail is not because we are doing anything wrong but because "everyone is against us". Joey Barton embodies that same culture. As a player he had natural football ability, he understands the game and he is more articulate than most footballers. But throughout his career he has felt himself a victim of being misunderstood which caused him to be very easily wound up. So at the times when he has been wound up and was unable to control his temper, in his mind at least, it wasn't down to his own shortcomings but the fault of others who were conspiring against him. If you look at it this way Joey Barton is the perfect talisman for victim culture Gasheads. It's a perfect foil to deflect blame from those really responsible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 10:38:50 GMT
Page thirty-three reviewed. I don't blame Barton for applying for the job, what I find disturbing is the fact our Director's employed him. ''Everybody, sooner or later, sits down to a banquet of consequences''. Perhaps our friend in Taiwan meant the plural Directors, i.e. 'our Directors employed him', but perhaps this is a Freudian slit, meaning that our singular Director has employed him by 'our Director's employed him'. Starnes and Widdrington can neither of them have recruited Barton, since the Barton appointment tears up Starnes's 'DNA' approach entirely and Widdrington's very position (if he stays). There's nothing about this that isn't chaotic. But I agree, the real blame lies with Al Qadi for demeaning himself and Bristol Rovers Football Club. No, nothing like that TWD, it's not funny at all. We know about Barton, we know one of his assistants has been convicted of betting irregularities and now we have discovered another member of his team, Eddy Jennings, was a character witness for convicted killer Andy Taylor. Joseph Anthony Barton has moved on from crime, so should be forgiven and supported in his rehabilitation, apparently. Don't be 'judgmental'. It's chilling reading the piece that Swiss links to. Barton manages to turn it around to being about him and his violent past. It's harrowing. Here's what our manager is quoted as saying: Who on earth made the decision to employ this bloke? Another example of just how smart the guy is. Occasionally psychotic yet involved in lots of incidents similar to one which left a Police officer dead. He sounds, well, draw your own conclusions. He sounds like he likes it. Barton's apologists consider him reformed. But he's not; he's boasting here about his capability for violence, and glorifying his ferocity and anger. If he was sorry, he would be working on change. But he hasn't changed. He was witnessed punching teeth from another manager's face in the job he was only recently sacked from. Don't fall for it. This thread becomes more and more worrying as time goes by. As I said previously I don’t feel as strongly as others do either way on Barton but the more people delve the more worrying the situation appears to be. The more I read the more detached I become and the less I care what happens.... I was a guaranteed season ticket holder, investing decent amounts of money in merchandise, sponsorship etc.... going to matches with my father, my 14 year old son and encouraging anyone I could to engage with the club and encouraging as many people as I could to be a gas head. Bristol Rovers were a huge part of my life..... I drew a line under my attempts to get the club engaged in a stadium plan despite my disappointment in how that ended. I’m now sat here the evening before a massive game affecting the clubs immediate future and I have never felt more detached or disillusioned (and I include when we went non league). I actually no longer care. If anyone at the club bothers to read these threads, I urge you to consider carefully what you are reading here and think carefully about what you are creating at Bristol Rovers. I’m just a number, someone who makes no difference to Bristol Rovers in the grand scheme of things.... but.... if my mood is even remotely similar to how others feel then the club really need to consider seriously how they continue to operate. Bristol Rovers could and should have been a massive positive to people like me during the wider situation society finds itself in. To me (and I know it’s only my opinion) they have managed to alienate and disappoint me more than I ever thought they could. I also (used to) attend matches as a three-generation party of grandfather, father, and duckling. Not one of us cares about our association with celebrities or social media success. Bristol City 1982 are bigger and higher up than us, and we do not wish to be them. We took pride in being supporting the real club, the decent club, the honorable club, the family club. Yet the path Al Qadi is taking Bristol Rovers is one we cannot follow. ...my negative feelings about Barton as an individual were not as strong as others and my main concern was that the appointment of him and his entourage showed the turmoil within the club was even greater than previously thought. We were increasing overheads once again and conflict between the new people and the existing management was an inevitability. But today we've discovered the new team consists of four people not three so now, in addition to a multitude of coaches, we have three managers and two directors of football on the payroll. It's absolute madness financially but, distressingly,when you look into the background of the new people, you can see that Wael has got Rovers into bed with a group of characters ( and we don't know how many others there are who remain hidden) which will have no hesitation in tearing the club apart if things don't go their way. The Fleetwood Town accounts and accompanying narrative paint a picture of what went on there after Barton was appointed and it should make chilling reading for our owner. Their wage bill was 7 million in 2019 (Rovers was 5.6 million in 2018) and the owner specifically mentioned how Barton had "brought on board various players with experience of playing in higher leagues". With "football agent" Eddy Jennings as the DOF guiding the manager we can easily imagine what this meant and how disappointing the play off defeat to Wycombe must have been. When Barton was dismissed in January we heard of a "transfer embargo" which the owner had imposed and how this caused friction between him and the manager. Let's be honest about this, a self imposed transfer embargo is code for "I'm not letting you and your mates waste any more of my money". We can't be exactly certain of what the four lads in the house share are cooking up but what we can be sure of is that Wael doesn't have a clue what he has let himself in for. We've employed a total racket because they're led by a big name Premier League and social media celebrity, and large numbers of supporters have fallen under their spell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 7:49:02 GMT
Page thirty-four reviewed. It’s fine, “the yoof” all messaged Wael on social media saying they wanted Barton. Which makes sense because I gather that those complaining are those >40 who still have some vestige of a regard for pre social media society where shame was considered an unfortunately necessary thing to keep the balance of good and evil in check. To pick up on Swiss’s point, as I’ve said before we are living in a post shame society. You can’t shame so many things these days, weight, mental health etc some of which is obviously for the better, but in the grand scheme of things this “no shame” mantra is manifesting itself in acceptance of immoral behaviour that in years gone by would not have been so easily forgivable. We see it with our Prime Minister. He would have been waaay to controversial to elect a couple of decades ago yet now in our post shame society his past comments and behaviour are water of a duck’s back. If someone tries to hold you to account, ignore them and brazen it out. If shame does not bother you then what are they going to do about it? We’re seeing this with Barton imo. Just shrug off the controversy, pretend it isn’t there and if you can, revel in the notoriety just to hammer it home. The yoof lap it up because they’ve never known a time when the likes of Pipe got the sack regardless of innocent until proven guilty. Barton knows all this himself- he admits “I’ve been lucky”. Damn right he has, somebody tell me one way in which his career has gone backwards through his deeds? He wants a premiership club to play for, he gets one. He wants a club to manage, he gets one. Where in all of that has he had to learn that his decision making has adversely affected his career prospects like it would for those of us in the real world outside the football bubble? Genuine question. To me, he’s never had to. Absolutely right, but it's not all Britain's youth. I'm sure there are plenty of young people who consider Joseph Anthony Barton an absolute disgrace of a man, not to be touched with a barge pole. But society is changing. We used to laugh at Italy. But Berlusconi, Trump, Johnson, Barton... shameless leadership has got closer and closer to home. I’m not sure I buy into all the doom and gloom there but the Fleetwood wage bill is certainly mud in the eye for the likes of pirate on Gaschat who would have you believe that Barton was managing on a shoestring at Fleetwood. Never mind the money, Fleetwood were on a run of 1 win in 9 when Barton left. How many managers survive a run like that? And yet we are lead to believe that Barton left of his own accord. Yeah, sure thing mate. Nice one. Barton was indeed wasteful and a sorry failure at Fleetwood Town, just as he is already looking a failure at Bristol Rovers. But he's not here because of his managerial credentials. He is here as one of Al Qadi's celebrities, and for his social media profile which the least scrupulous among us seem often to value so highly. We're big time now because of Barton's association. No publicity is bad publicity. Etc. Shame on us. The propaganda mill likes to continuously propagate what Barton achieved in front of a small crowd at Fleetwood, the implication being they were like the Accrington of that year. It’s garbage, with the budget he was given top 6 was a minimum requirement. It doesn’t matter what Pirate says on Gaschat, on the old forum he used to stalk celebrities online and post all sorts of weird sh*t. How can we have Eddy Jennings at the club and retain Tommy W? Even if Eddy is just helping out his buddy, that surely means Tommy is no use to Barton. My concern is that the gullible Wael now has two factions of parasites bleeding his cash. The old guard who got us into this mess and now a new group who are making big promises but at a price. Or maybe this strange mix of violent criminals, gamblers and character witnesses for murderers just want the best for BRFC. Touché. The best analogy I can come up with is that up until this evening I have seen Wael captaining a boat with a board of limpets all attached to the bottom of the boat, sucking an income from the captain. It sounds like that boat has just headed into deep, shark infested waters. We will either need a bigger boat or the boat and it’s crew will be sunk. Very, very worrying times. I think BRFC, and Wael, however embarrassing it will be, need Barton to be imprisoned by the Crown Court in the summer. Then, and only then, can we escape shark infested waters. I used to be in the school of thought that Wael was in it for the best and I was frustrated by posts by gasincider, severnscider, swiss etc. that seemed needlessly inflammatory. Then I began to realise these guys had a point but believed Wael would deliver and had just surrounded himself with the wrong people. Now we seem to be accruing further debt employing two assistant managers, two god awful directors of football etc etc. This is looking more and more like a vanity project for an owner who has inherited a bagful of cash, has been surrounded by vultures and does not know which one to hand the money over to first. I believed him when he said people were working hard behind the scenes to deliver a stadium. It’s been 5 years - where are even the f&&king drawings? I trusted DC. I trusted GC. I trust Paul Tisdale. There was a common message. I do not trust Barton, Widdrington, Jennings, Starnes etc. one bit. It’s like they are rogue traders happily ripping off a daft old fool with more money than sense. And if I’m being harsh - where is the plan? Where are the drawings? Where is the org structure for gods sake that has more assistant managers than strikers? And why can the club not be run sustainably when Exeter City could with a far lower turnover? I just don't understand it. Al Qadi's directors don't seem to be inclined or able to tell him what he needs to know. Never been a fan of Wael since the collapse of the UWE but I always thought he meant well and to some extent I still do. Converting the debt to shares showed he is here for some sort of long haul and he has funded the club through covid etc. I’ve even been impressed with the ruthlessness with which he fires under performing managers. The big BUT is to ask why those managers ended up at the club in the first place? Wael is ultimately and unfortunately in sole charge and so there is very little safety valve if he decides to go rogue by appointing someone like Barton. The problem with Wael is that he doesn’t come across like an astute club owner. He’s surrounded himself with people who were not professionally sourced and seems to be, worst of all, obsessed with fame and novelty. He’s a trust fund kid who has been given inheritance money to buy a plaything with no obvious previous experience of such a role and hasn’t headhunted quality people to help him run it.. The fact he has an Instagram account where he posts pics of him with famous celebrities and footballers and pictures of his trainers explains a lot about how we have ended up with Barton as manager. Sorry, but for me he comes across like a bit of a man child, it’s good short term for Rovers, no doubt, as he bank rolls the club but for me one day Wael’s naivety and gullibility in how to run a football club is going to bite him and the club on the ass. He is potentially dangerous. The social media influenced Barton appointment proves everything we feared but hoped against is true. Wael Al Qadi is simply not a serious person. I was using an exaggeration to make a point.....and if it's 3,547th chance you've used the same principle! It appears we can employ/associate with criminals as long as they don't hold certain positions within the club, no matter how talented or good at their job they are, or their ability to be the best candidate. JAB has served his sentences, done his time and deserves the opportunity to prove or disprove his worth fairly. I see it as a form of discrimination, otherwise. With polarisation in views, from a neutral pov is starting to look like is some are actually frightened he might actually be able do a good job? It's not discrimination, o2o2bo2ba . Barton has demonstrated zero remorse and zero reform since his prosecution. If this was forthcoming, then I would happily employ him under the rehabilitation of offenders acts in any position that did not require DBS checks or being unsupervised contact with the public or vulnerable colleagues, who obviously need to be protection from unreformed violent criminals. Truly I want Rovers to remain in the third division. I would like him to achieve this before getting out of our football club, now he's here. But after five losses in a row, totalling eight losses from seven games, I have no reason to be actually frightened he might actually be able to. I don't think he is. I have no doubt that Barton can be good at his job, I just wish he would stop lamping people who upset him particularly in the cowards way from behind. Let him get his job done of keeping the club up this season and then let the courts and FA rid us of him and his cronies. I do have doubts that Barton can be good at his job, and signs of him keeping the club up this season are still not compelling, Sir. I think it's been said so many times now that it's getting a bit more than tedious. He hasn't been employed to paint the steps on the terraces, he's the public face of the club, and has been given this role with a court case scheduled for the same thing that has troubled him his entire life, and which, when you listen to him or read elements of his book, he attempts to glorify. Here's an example. He talks about a dog biting him, his Father found out, so ran the dog over with his car, then reversed over it again, just to make sure it was dead. Then confronted the dog's owner and told him, in no uncertain terms that the best thing he could do was get back inside of his house. Barton says that at the time he thought it was, I can't remember exactly what he says, something like 'a bit harsh' but then he says that he later realised that it was just his Dad's way of preparing him for the life he expected him to live in Liverpool. Has he condemned that act? Nope. Nowhere that I've been able to find. I looked at all of the headline stories about that Police officer's murder yesterday. Barton has plenty to say, mostly about himself and violence, but what was missing were words of sympathy or comfort for the victim's family and friends. Now of course it's possible that he did have those words and the media, being the scum that they are, chose not to use them in their pieces, but I couldn't find them and would have thought that he would have gone out of his way to object and make sure that it was crystal clear to everybody that the victim's family and friends were the main focus of his thoughts. But instead of that what we got was talk about violence and what a great guy the killer now is. Exactly this. There is no care for his victims. Everything is about him. And he is the public face of Bristol Rovers Football Club, probably more so than any of his predecessors, whose celebrity and exposure was less prominent.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 5, 2021 8:37:34 GMT
Well said. I have nothing to add. That completes the case for the prosecution. No further questions M'lud.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 5, 2021 8:51:05 GMT
Shoveler... Fair enough.
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