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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 11:23:08 GMT
Graham Coughlan turned around a side in free fall and had an instant impact by galvanising the players and quickly making them well organised and hard to beat if not free flowing. Hasselbaink appears to have done similar at Burton, although Barton was unimpressed with the style of football and quite personal and insulting towards Jimmy.
What plan have we got in place to survive? Hopefully more than just words and a weekly text message to Mike Jones
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 21, 2021 11:31:51 GMT
Graham Coughlan turned around a side in free fall and had an instant impact by galvanising the players and quickly making them well organised and hard to beat if not free flowing. Hasselbaink appears to have done similar at Burton, although Barton was unimpressed with the style of football and quite personal and insulting towards Jimmy. What plan have we got in place to survive? Hopefully more than just words and a weekly text message to Mike Jones Agree with GC comments, but it's important to point out he had reasonable prior knowledge of the players' strengths and weaknesses so hit the ground running. Also, he wasn't initially given the gig full time, he was only caretaker at the start and there was little expectation. JAB hasn't been given the same luxuries. Jim Has appears to have a decent honeymoon period, but a challenging April might draw Burton back in the mix. They haven't escaped yet. If JAB has nothing other than words we will get what we deserve. And probably so will he..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 12:21:04 GMT
Graham Coughlan turned around a side in free fall and had an instant impact by galvanising the players and quickly making them well organised and hard to beat if not free flowing. Hasselbaink appears to have done similar at Burton, although Barton was unimpressed with the style of football and quite personal and insulting towards Jimmy. What plan have we got in place to survive? Hopefully more than just words and a weekly text message to Mike Jones There isn’t a plan and never has been. All this Rovers DNA stuff is the emperor’s new clothes. It’s like a homeless person saying “from tomorrow, my life will be different. My DNA is that of a man who drives a Ferrari and dates a supermodel”. That’s great- but HOW? Wael doesn’t actually know “how”, never has done and never will do. That’s fine, the main issue is that all his mates on the board don’t know “how” either. As a collective all they seem to excel at is racking up debt with only relegation battles to show for it. Then Wael pays the debt off and the supporters think he is doing a magnificent job. Those same supporters wouldn’t let Wael anywhere near their own business’s boardroom mind.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 12:32:33 GMT
Graham Coughlan turned around a side in free fall and had an instant impact by galvanising the players and quickly making them well organised and hard to beat if not free flowing. Hasselbaink appears to have done similar at Burton, although Barton was unimpressed with the style of football and quite personal and insulting towards Jimmy. What plan have we got in place to survive? Hopefully more than just words and a weekly text message to Mike Jones There isn’t a plan and never has been. All this Rovers DNA stuff is the emperor’s new clothes. It’s like a homeless person saying “from tomorrow, my life will be different. My DNA is that of a man who drives a Ferrari and dates a supermodel”. That’s great- but HOW? Wael doesn’t actually know “how”, never has done and never will do. That’s fine, the main issue is that all his mates on the board don’t know “how” either. As a collective all they seem to excel at is racking up debt with only relegation battles to show for it. Then Wael pays the debt off and the supporters think he is doing a magnificent job. Those same supporters wouldn’t let Wael anywhere near their own business’s boardroom mind. I think there are similarities in what you’re saying between the playing side and the stadium. We’re getting the Wembley of the West Country, meanwhile here’s a new hand dryer. Talk a few weeks ago of how Joey of Barton knows how to get us into the championship. Meanwhile... We seem to have great bullsh&tters at the moment. Wael, Starnes, Barton, Sir Tommy Saviour of Hemel Hempstead FC. Actual do’ers seem to be quickly shown the door
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Post by basel on Mar 21, 2021 12:50:16 GMT
There isn’t a plan and never has been. All this Rovers DNA stuff is the emperor’s new clothes. It’s like a homeless person saying “from tomorrow, my life will be different. My DNA is that of a man who drives a Ferrari and dates a supermodel”. That’s great- but HOW? Wael doesn’t actually know “how”, never has done and never will do. That’s fine, the main issue is that all his mates on the board don’t know “how” either. As a collective all they seem to excel at is racking up debt with only relegation battles to show for it. Then Wael pays the debt off and the supporters think he is doing a magnificent job. Those same supporters wouldn’t let Wael anywhere near their own business’s boardroom mind. I think there are similarities in what you’re saying between the playing side and the stadium. We’re getting the Wembley of the West Country, meanwhile here’s a new hand dryer. Talk a few weeks ago of how Joey of Barton knows how to get us into the championship. Meanwhile... We seem to have great bullsh&tters at the moment. Wael, Starnes, Barton, Sir Tommy Saviour of Hemel Hempstead FC. Actual do’ers seem to be quickly shown the door I don't think WAQ wants 2nd tier football for Rovers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 12:50:55 GMT
There isn’t a plan and never has been. All this Rovers DNA stuff is the emperor’s new clothes. It’s like a homeless person saying “from tomorrow, my life will be different. My DNA is that of a man who drives a Ferrari and dates a supermodel”. That’s great- but HOW? Wael doesn’t actually know “how”, never has done and never will do. That’s fine, the main issue is that all his mates on the board don’t know “how” either. As a collective all they seem to excel at is racking up debt with only relegation battles to show for it. Then Wael pays the debt off and the supporters think he is doing a magnificent job. Those same supporters wouldn’t let Wael anywhere near their own business’s boardroom mind. I think there are similarities in what you’re saying between the playing side and the stadium. We’re getting the Wembley of the West Country, meanwhile here’s a new hand dryer. Talk a few weeks ago of how Joey of Barton knows how to get us into the championship. Meanwhile... We seem to have great bullsh&tters at the moment. Wael, Starnes, Barton, Sir Tommy Saviour of Hemel Hempstead FC. Actual do’ers seem to be quickly shown the door We’re starting to hear more about how the board is a closed shop - gasandproud has told us how he has tried to engage the board only to be met with silence and now a poster on Gaschat who says he is an executive recruiter says he has made approaches to the board to offer services only to be met with silence. It really sounds like a mates club with snouts firmly in the trough, protecting their own position and income, none more so than the Teflon Prince himself Tommy Widdrington. Whilst that lot fiddle away on the hillside Rome burns.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 12:54:31 GMT
I think there are similarities in what you’re saying between the playing side and the stadium. We’re getting the Wembley of the West Country, meanwhile here’s a new hand dryer. Talk a few weeks ago of how Joey of Barton knows how to get us into the championship. Meanwhile... We seem to have great bullsh&tters at the moment. Wael, Starnes, Barton, Sir Tommy Saviour of Hemel Hempstead FC. Actual do’ers seem to be quickly shown the door I don't think WAQ wants 2nd tier football for Rovers. Interesting comment. Certainly appointing Garner looked to me an act of sabotage at the time and as it turned out was possibly sabotage on a too successful scale. Honestly, what other club in the league would replace a departing manager of a team making a case for promotion with a glorified PE teacher effectively saying to him “the rest of the season is a write off, sod the promotion opportunity, just try and learn the job you have been hired to do without worrying about losing games”. It was so ridiculous at the time and yet Gasheads lapped it up as usual. It proper bit them on the arse just as it always threatened to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 13:29:54 GMT
I don't think WAQ wants 2nd tier football for Rovers. Interesting comment. Certainly appointing Garner looked to me an act of sabotage at the time and as it turned out was possibly sabotage on a too successful scale. Honestly, what other club in the league would replace a departing manager of a team making a case for promotion with a glorified PE teacher effectively saying to him “the rest of the season is a write off, sod the promotion opportunity, just try and learn the job you have been hired to do without worrying about losing games”. It was so ridiculous at the time and yet Gasheads lapped it up as usual. It proper bit them on the arse just as it always threatened to. It’s ridiculous what people will lap up. Barton said he’ll turn Bristol blue and a section of our supporters love it, especially with all the Twitter followers he has. Look for the substance behind that statement and there is none. City have wrapped up this generation of fans with their facilities, match day experience etc. How are you going to turn Bristol blue Joey? Well, it will take a new stadium, top match day facilities, promotion - possibly a double, and Landsdown to stop investing. Then Bristol might be half blue for a starter. Appreciate I’m picking on one populist statement but it’s the kind of crap that just seems endemic in our club at the moment to mask the total sterility
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 13:54:39 GMT
Interesting comment. Certainly appointing Garner looked to me an act of sabotage at the time and as it turned out was possibly sabotage on a too successful scale. Honestly, what other club in the league would replace a departing manager of a team making a case for promotion with a glorified PE teacher effectively saying to him “the rest of the season is a write off, sod the promotion opportunity, just try and learn the job you have been hired to do without worrying about losing games”. It was so ridiculous at the time and yet Gasheads lapped it up as usual. It proper bit them on the arse just as it always threatened to. It’s ridiculous what people will lap up. Barton said he’ll turn Bristol blue and a section of our supporters love it, especially with all the Twitter followers he has. Look for the substance behind that statement and there is none. City have wrapped up this generation of fans with their facilities, match day experience etc. How are you going to turn Bristol blue Joey? Well, it will take a new stadium, top match day facilities, promotion - possibly a double, and Landsdown to stop investing. Then Bristol might be half blue for a starter. Appreciate I’m picking on one populist statement but it’s the kind of crap that just seems endemic in our club at the moment to mask the total sterility Never mind all that he’ll turn sod all blue if he can’t even win a game of football!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 13:57:07 GMT
Interesting comment. Certainly appointing Garner looked to me an act of sabotage at the time and as it turned out was possibly sabotage on a too successful scale. Honestly, what other club in the league would replace a departing manager of a team making a case for promotion with a glorified PE teacher effectively saying to him “the rest of the season is a write off, sod the promotion opportunity, just try and learn the job you have been hired to do without worrying about losing games”. It was so ridiculous at the time and yet Gasheads lapped it up as usual. It proper bit them on the arse just as it always threatened to. It’s ridiculous what people will lap up. Barton said he’ll turn Bristol blue and a section of our supporters love it, especially with all the Twitter followers he has. Look for the substance behind that statement and there is none. City have wrapped up this generation of fans with their facilities, match day experience etc. How are you going to turn Bristol blue Joey? Well, it will take a new stadium, top match day facilities, promotion - possibly a double, and Landsdown to stop investing. Then Bristol might be half blue for a starter. Appreciate I’m picking on one populist statement but it’s the kind of crap that just seems endemic in our club at the moment to mask the total sterility The starting point, as we don't have an owner able to compete with 1982 financially, is to have a winning team, that'll increase crowds (when allowed again / streaming etc) and the club's profile and therefore the potential for revenue. How's that going Joey? I can't be bothered to look it up but it's something like 5 defeats from his first 8 games.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 21, 2021 14:19:22 GMT
It’s ridiculous what people will lap up. Barton said he’ll turn Bristol blue and a section of our supporters love it, especially with all the Twitter followers he has. Look for the substance behind that statement and there is none. City have wrapped up this generation of fans with their facilities, match day experience etc. How are you going to turn Bristol blue Joey? Well, it will take a new stadium, top match day facilities, promotion - possibly a double, and Landsdown to stop investing. Then Bristol might be half blue for a starter. Appreciate I’m picking on one populist statement but it’s the kind of crap that just seems endemic in our club at the moment to mask the total sterility The starting point, as we don't have an owner able to compete with 1982 financially, is to have a winning team, that'll increase crowds (when allowed again / streaming etc) and the club's profile and therefore the potential for revenue. How's that going Joey? I can't be bothered to look it up but it's something like 5 defeats from his first 8 games. Agreed, it all starts with a good team. The rest should then fall into place. I sometimes think our second promotion was a huge shock to WAQ and he had no idea of what to do ergo the stagnation and then fall off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 18:33:56 GMT
I think there are similarities in what you’re saying between the playing side and the stadium. We’re getting the Wembley of the West Country, meanwhile here’s a new hand dryer. Talk a few weeks ago of how Joey of Barton knows how to get us into the championship. Meanwhile... We seem to have great bullsh&tters at the moment. Wael, Starnes, Barton, Sir Tommy Saviour of Hemel Hempstead FC. Actual do’ers seem to be quickly shown the door I don't think WAQ wants 2nd tier football for Rovers. I think the amount of money he has thrown away deserves it but he has been badly let down by those who are responsible for delivering his ambitions on the pitch and behind the scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 18:41:18 GMT
Interesting comment. Certainly appointing Garner looked to me an act of sabotage at the time and as it turned out was possibly sabotage on a too successful scale. Honestly, what other club in the league would replace a departing manager of a team making a case for promotion with a glorified PE teacher effectively saying to him “the rest of the season is a write off, sod the promotion opportunity, just try and learn the job you have been hired to do without worrying about losing games”. It was so ridiculous at the time and yet Gasheads lapped it up as usual. It proper bit them on the arse just as it always threatened to. It’s ridiculous what people will lap up. Barton said he’ll turn Bristol blue and a section of our supporters love it, especially with all the Twitter followers he has. Look for the substance behind that statement and there is none. City have wrapped up this generation of fans with their facilities, match day experience etc. How are you going to turn Bristol blue Joey? Well, it will take a new stadium, top match day facilities, promotion - possibly a double, and Landsdown to stop investing. Then Bristol might be half blue for a starter. Appreciate I’m picking on one populist statement but it’s the kind of crap that just seems endemic in our club at the moment to mask the total sterility Sound bites are easy and they will soon run out. When Barton marched onto the pitch yesterday to blame the referee for the result using language that eventually resulted in him earning a yellow card it reinforced my opinion that we have the wrong person employed as the face of Bristol Rovers. He cannot accept responsibility and looks to blame others when things go wrong. The ref, the subs, the Rovers culture, which he now owns etc. When he eventually leaves his position at our club he will move back up North with his cronies and won't give two hoots for Bristol or Bristol Rovers Football Club. We will all still be here though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 19:09:06 GMT
It’s ridiculous what people will lap up. Barton said he’ll turn Bristol blue and a section of our supporters love it, especially with all the Twitter followers he has. Look for the substance behind that statement and there is none. City have wrapped up this generation of fans with their facilities, match day experience etc. How are you going to turn Bristol blue Joey? Well, it will take a new stadium, top match day facilities, promotion - possibly a double, and Landsdown to stop investing. Then Bristol might be half blue for a starter. Appreciate I’m picking on one populist statement but it’s the kind of crap that just seems endemic in our club at the moment to mask the total sterility Sound bites are easy and they will soon run out. When Barton marched onto the pitch yesterday to blame the referee for the result using language that eventually resulted in him earning a yellow card it reinforced my opinion that we have the wrong person employed as the face of Bristol Rovers. When he eventually leaves his position at our club he will move back up North with his cronies and won't give two hoots for Bristol or Bristol Rovers Football Club. We will all still be here though. I didn’t realise that. What on Earth was he complaining about the refereeing for? It seems like the team were well beaten. The pressure is obviously starting to get to him. I wonder how far we are off a complete meltdown?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 19:22:55 GMT
I don't think WAQ wants 2nd tier football for Rovers. I think the amount of money he has thrown away deserves it but he has been badly let down by those who are responsible for delivering his ambitions on the pitch and behind the scenes. What's the expression, any fool can spend money?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 19:25:32 GMT
Just read the transcript of the post match interview.
Players didn’t put their bodies on the line, and those players will be out of the club on Monday. Big words, but when pressed he backtracks and turns 180 degrees. Then it became players who come back on Monday and tell him they’re not up to the challenge will be bombed out. Now who really is going to come back and do that?
Again, as with the Hull game, it’s big tough words which when you scratch beneath the surface are meaningless populist drivel
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 19:36:38 GMT
Just read the transcript of the post match interview. Players didn’t put their bodies on the line, and those players will be out of the club on Monday. Big words, but when pressed he backtracks and turns 180 degrees. Then it became players who come back on Monday and tell him they’re not up to the challenge will be bombed out. Now who really is going to come back and do that? Again, as with the Hull game, it’s big tough words which when you scratch beneath the surface are meaningless populist drivel Rovers fans are desperate for populist drivel. If there is one area in which Barton excels as a manager it’s knowing what the fanbase wants. We’ve had two managers who haven’t connected with the fans because of a perceived lack of passion and in Tisdale’s case an image at odds with that of the football fan. They want someone like them who can talk a good game about sorting the lazy modern footballer out. Barton knows this and gives them that by the bucket load. At times I’ve been impressed by the words he used and it’s been indicative of him understanding the problems at the club. But he also comes across as almost reading from a script in terms of the way he hits the buttons he should be pressing in terms of how to keep the fans onside despite the defeats. Not much actual substance to those words yet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 20:51:05 GMT
Just read the transcript of the post match interview. Players didn’t put their bodies on the line, and those players will be out of the club on Monday. Big words, but when pressed he backtracks and turns 180 degrees. Then it became players who come back on Monday and tell him they’re not up to the challenge will be bombed out. Now who really is going to come back and do that? Again, as with the Hull game, it’s big tough words which when you scratch beneath the surface are meaningless populist drivel Don't believe this is an accurate representation of what was said by Rovers' intelligent and articulate manager.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 22, 2021 12:14:01 GMT
Gas chat might prove to be right.
Unlike with Tisdale and Garner the board may allow Joey free reign to put together any side and playing style he likes.
That playing style may turn out to be wholly different than the excessive gamesmanship/cheating style Fleetwood came to be known for under Joey.
Joey might show managerial skills he so far hasn’t showed at Fleetwood or Rovers yet.
And Joey might have finally grown up so it won’t end here like it did at Fleetwood with almighty punchup or a jail term for something he does when employed by us.
Gas chat might be right, and all this might come to pass in a good way.
Or they might be wrong.
But at least we know we have a board who looks after the Rovers DNA
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 12:22:55 GMT
Gas chat might prove to be right. Unlike with Tisdale and Garner the board may allow Joey free reign to put together any side and playing style he likes. That playing style may turn out to be wholly different than the excessive gamesmanship/cheating style Fleetwood came to be known for under Joey. Joey might show managerial skills he so far hasn’t showed at Fleetwood or Rovers yet. And Joey might have finally grown up so it won’t end here like it did at Fleetwood with almighty punchup or a jail term for something he does when employed by us. Gas chat might be right, and all this might come to pass in a good way. Or they might be wrong. But at least we know we have a board who looks after the Rovers DNA As said several times already, Fleetwood's last set of accounts that I could find showed a loss of £5,950,000, and even with that budget Barton still didn't get them promoted, so if the plan is to give Mr Punchy a free hand then Wael had better be prepared for the financial implications of that.
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