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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 17:57:47 GMT
I remember Barton getting an absolute pasting on Gaschat as Fleetwood manager and again when this broke. People couldn’t believe they didn’t sack him. Now it seems to be a badge of honour It can make sense if we acknowledge that a victim culture has developed within Rovers and that many fans are convinced the reason we fail is not because we are doing anything wrong but because "everyone is against us". Joey Barton embodies that same culture. As a player he had natural football ability, he understands the game and he is more articulate than most footballers. But throughout his career he has felt himself a victim of being misunderstood which caused him to be very easily wound up. So at the times when he has been wound up and was unable to control his temper, in his mind at least, it wasn't down to his own shortcomings but the fault of others who were conspiring against him. If you look at it this way Joey Barton is the perfect talisman for victim culture Gasheads. Brilliant. Flying headbutt when the ref gives the next decision a Rovers' player doesn't agree with then. Just make sure you don't try it with that loony ref who did the Ipswich Vs Northampton game a couple of weeks back, he fights back!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 17:58:51 GMT
That’s not the thread I’m referring to, check this one out: gaschat.co.uk/thread/14205/joey-barton 8 pages worth of mostly slagging him off for being a thug by people who are now fan club members. Who do you think said this: “Joey Barton is an absolute scum bag. Hope he gets the old tin tack.” Has anyone with access to Gaschat posted on this to bring it to the top of the forum? There’s some serious vitriol there from people that now call other gasheads snowflakes, moralisers, sh&theads etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 18:15:51 GMT
Whatever, atm he is innocent until proven otherwise. His footballing credentials are the only thing we should be worried about. I understand the JB is a marmite character both on and off the field, but so was Norman "bites yer legs" hunter (i wonder why he got that rep), Vinne Jones (ask Gazza's balls how they feel about him) as well as our very own Jock Alexander who is more remembered for putting players into row z rather than footballs. These players as well as a few other hard nuts have earned their place as legend for not being crossed either on the field or off. Why is JB any different? Personally we just need to get behind JB for now and worry about the rest later. You were slagging him off wanting him sacked on the Barton thread on Gaschat when this assault stuff broke. Now you’re leading the charge to launder his image. Your morals clearly only extend as far as what Bristol Rovers tell you to think and that’s really sad to see. Just quoted so that this is on the 'live' page so that ITB get's a fair opportunity to defend why he was leading the moral crusade against Mr Punchy a short while back, but now has decided for all of us that we only need concern ourselves with his footballing credentials. Over to you ITB. The other thing that those 2 threads throw up are that there will be a heck of a lot of people holding their noses at this appointment, not just those who have been vocal in opposing him being here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 18:24:53 GMT
You were slagging him off wanting him sacked on the Barton thread on Gaschat when this assault stuff broke. Now you’re leading the charge to launder his image. Your morals clearly only extend as far as what Bristol Rovers tell you to think and that’s really sad to see. Just quoted so that this is on the 'live' page so that ITB get's a fair opportunity to defend why he was leading the moral crusade against Mr Punchy a short while back, but now has decided for all of us that we only need concern ourselves with his footballing credentials. Over to you ITB. The other thing that those 2 threads throw up are that there will be a heck of a lot of people holding their noses at this appointment, not just those who have been vocal in opposing him being here. The funny thing is, things posted there by some of his now biggest fans are far worse than anything posted by those of us who now don’t want him near. That moral compass is currently hovering over the Bermuda Triangle and spinning round and round
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 18:34:40 GMT
Just quoted so that this is on the 'live' page so that ITB get's a fair opportunity to defend why he was leading the moral crusade against Mr Punchy a short while back, but now has decided for all of us that we only need concern ourselves with his footballing credentials. Over to you ITB. The other thing that those 2 threads throw up are that there will be a heck of a lot of people holding their noses at this appointment, not just those who have been vocal in opposing him being here. The funny thing is, things posted there by some of his now biggest fans are far worse than anything posted by those of us who now don’t want him near. That moral compass is currently hovering over the Bermuda Triangle and spinning round and round I gave up with that place, our visitor yesterday evening shows you why, if you go against the in 'clique' you'll get a dozen of them bombarding you with that stuff relentlessly, but I hope that someone has bumped those 2 threads back up to the top of the board so that people can take a quiet moment to reflect on how they felt about Barton when they were judging him objectively, from a distance.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 12, 2021 18:46:53 GMT
I don't blame Barton for applying for the job, what I find disturbing is the fact our Director's employed him. ''Everybody, sooner or later, sits down to a banquet of consequences''.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 12, 2021 18:47:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 18:47:32 GMT
That’s not the thread I’m referring to, check this one out: gaschat.co.uk/thread/14205/joey-barton 8 pages worth of mostly slagging him off for being a thug by people who are now fan club members. Who do you think said this: “Joey Barton is an absolute scum bag. Hope he gets the old tin tack.” Ha, great spot. Irenestoyboy no less
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 19:03:42 GMT
Is the cop killer at BS7 Swiss?
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Post by swissgas on Mar 12, 2021 19:12:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 19:33:19 GMT
According to Bristol Live he's here Swiss: Bristol Rovers boss Barton is sharing a house in the city with assistant manager Hill, first-team coach Andy Mangan and old friend Eddy Jennings – Fleetwood Town’s former director of football who has been casting an eye over games and offering additional support for the manager. Andy Taylor is the convicted cop killer and our new recruit, Eddy Jennings, is apparently the one who told the court "he would never do a thing like that". I think I'll stick to researching the accounts. Glorification of characters like this actually makes me feel sick. My apologies for confusing the two I shouldn't take too much notice of the readers comments on Bristol Live.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 19:37:47 GMT
Sorry, can we just back up a bit here.
We have employed someone who has a previous conviction for murdering a Police officer?
Am I being dense and not getting what appears to be, I hope a rather tasteless attempt at humour?
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Post by swissgas on Mar 12, 2021 19:41:04 GMT
Sorry, can we just back up a bit here. We have employed someone who has a previous conviction for murdering a Police officer? Am I being dense and not getting what appears to be, I hope is a rather tasteless attempt at humour? No, nothing like that TWD, it's not funny at all. We know about Barton, we know one of his assistants has been convicted of betting irregularities and now we have discovered another member of his team, Eddy Jennings, was a character witness for convicted killer Andy Taylor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 19:55:47 GMT
Sorry, can we just back up a bit here. We have employed someone who has a previous conviction for murdering a Police officer? Am I being dense and not getting what appears to be, I hope a rather tasteless attempt at humour? No, nothing like that TWD, it's not funny at all. We know about Barton, we know one of his assistants has been convicted of betting irregularities and now we have discovered another member of his team, Eddy Jennings, was a character witness for convicted killer Andy Taylor. Ah, thank goodness for that, glad to be totally wrong on this occasion. It's bad, very bad, but not as bad as I was imagining. Thanks for clarifying.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 20:02:34 GMT
No, nothing like that TWD, it's not funny at all. We know about Barton, we know one of his assistants has been convicted of betting irregularities and now we have discovered another member of his team, Eddy Jennings, was a character witness for convicted killer Andy Taylor. Ah, thank goodness for that, glad to be totally wrong on this occasion. It's bad, very bad, but not as bad as I was imagining. Thanks for clarifying. I wonder if he’ll be just as convincing as Barton’s character witness in June
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 20:12:10 GMT
Ah, thank goodness for that, glad to be totally wrong on this occasion. It's bad, very bad, but not as bad as I was imagining. Thanks for clarifying. I wonder if he’ll be just as convincing as Barton’s character witness in June It's chilling reading the piece that Swiss links to. Barton manages to turn it around to being about him and his violent past. It's harrowing. Here's what our manager is quoted as saying, Who on earth made the decision to employ this bloke? Another example of just how smart the guy is. Occasionally psychotic yet involved in lots of incidents similar to one which left a Police officer dead. He sounds, well, draw your own conclusions.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 12, 2021 20:42:42 GMT
A few weeks ago someone on here pointed out that "principles" and "doing the right thing" don't have much value these days and people chop and change what they do and say depending on who is influencing them most at any given time. I agree with that and, as we are discovering now, hypocrisy is an out of date word because most people feel free to carry out 180 degree turns whenever they feel like it without fear of any adverse consequences.
This is going to affect Rovers at some point and I think anyone who believes the club will always be there for us or that "they wouldn't let Rovers go out of business" is sadly mistaken. Things change in the blink of an eye, institutions we thought were sacred disappear and for most people there is little motivation to try to save them because with no real "principles" or sense of "doing the right thing" what would be the point ? Much easier to move on to the next source of distraction which your influencers say you must have.
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Post by gasandproud on Mar 12, 2021 21:17:17 GMT
This thread becomes more and more worrying as time goes by. As I said previously I don’t feel as strongly as others do either way on Barton but the more people delve the more worrying the situation appears to be. The more I read the more detached I become and the less I care what happens.... I was a guaranteed season ticket holder, investing decent amounts of money in merchandise, sponsorship etc.... going to matches with my father, my 14 year old son and encouraging anyone I could to engage with the club and encouraging as many people as I could to be a gas head. Bristol Rovers were a huge part of my life..... I drew a line under my attempts to get the club engaged in a stadium plan despite my disappointment in how that ended. I’m now sat here the evening before a massive game affecting the clubs immediate future and I have never felt more detached or disillusioned (and I include when we went non league). I actually no longer care. If anyone at the club bothers to read these threads, I urge you to consider carefully what you are reading here and think carefully about what you are creating at Bristol Rovers. I’m just a number, someone who makes no difference to Bristol Rovers in the grand scheme of things.... but.... if my mood is even remotely similar to how others feel then the club really need to consider seriously how they continue to operate. Bristol Rovers could and should have been a massive positive to people like me during the wider situation society finds itself in. To me (and I know it’s only my opinion) they have managed to alienate and disappoint me more than I ever thought they could.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 21:28:36 GMT
This thread becomes more and more worrying as time goes by. As I said previously I don’t feel as strongly as others do either way on Barton but the more people delve the more worrying the situation appears to be. The more I read the more detached I become and the less I care what happens.... I was a guaranteed season ticket holder, investing decent amounts of money in merchandise, sponsorship etc.... going to matches with my father, my 14 year old son and encouraging anyone I could to engage with the club and encouraging as many people as I could to be a gas head. Bristol Rovers were a huge part of my life..... I drew a line under my attempts to get the club engaged in a stadium plan despite my disappointment in how that ended. I’m now sat here the evening before a massive game affecting the clubs immediate future and I have never felt more detached or disillusioned (and I include when we went non league). I actually no longer care. If anyone at the club bothers to read these threads, I urge you to consider carefully what you are reading here and think carefully about what you are creating at Bristol Rovers. I’m just a number, someone who makes no difference to Bristol Rovers in the grand scheme of things.... but.... if my mood is even remotely similar to how others feel then the club really need to consider seriously how they continue to operate. Bristol Rovers could and should have been a massive positive to people like me during the wider situation society finds itself in. To me (and I know it’s only my opinion) they have managed to alienate and disappoint me more than I ever thought they could. I think you’ve summed it up perfectly. I said on here last week, I was happy to see the win in a distant disconnected way. I’ve got no inclination to watch, support or remotely celebrate a good result. I used to be on Twitter at bang on 2pm to see the lineup, now I might switch the telly on at half time to see the score if I’m not busy
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Post by swissgas on Mar 12, 2021 22:13:22 GMT
This thread becomes more and more worrying as time goes by. As I said previously I don’t feel as strongly as others do either way on Barton but the more people delve the more worrying the situation appears to be. The more I read the more detached I become and the less I care what happens.... I was a guaranteed season ticket holder, investing decent amounts of money in merchandise, sponsorship etc.... going to matches with my father, my 14 year old son and encouraging anyone I could to engage with the club and encouraging as many people as I could to be a gas head. Bristol Rovers were a huge part of my life..... I drew a line under my attempts to get the club engaged in a stadium plan despite my disappointment in how that ended. I’m now sat here the evening before a massive game affecting the clubs immediate future and I have never felt more detached or disillusioned (and I include when we went non league). I actually no longer care. If anyone at the club bothers to read these threads, I urge you to consider carefully what you are reading here and think carefully about what you are creating at Bristol Rovers. I’m just a number, someone who makes no difference to Bristol Rovers in the grand scheme of things.... but.... if my mood is even remotely similar to how others feel then the club really need to consider seriously how they continue to operate. Bristol Rovers could and should have been a massive positive to people like me during the wider situation society finds itself in. To me (and I know it’s only my opinion) they have managed to alienate and disappoint me more than I ever thought they could. Sorry if I've contributed to your worry but I've had my eyes opened today. Like you my negative feelings about Barton as an individual were not as strong as others and my main concern was that the appointment of him and his entourage showed the turmoil within the club was even greater than previously thought. We were increasing overheads once again and conflict between the new people and the existing management was an inevitability. But today we've discovered the new team consists of four people not three so now, in addition to a multitude of coaches, we have three managers and two directors of football on the payroll. It's absolute madness financially but, distressingly,when you look into the background of the new people, you can see that Wael has got Rovers into bed with a group of characters ( and we don't know how many others there are who remain hidden) which will have no hesitation in tearing the club apart if things don't go their way. The Fleetwood Town accounts and accompanying narrative paint a picture of what went on there after Barton was appointed and it should make chilling reading for our owner. Their wage bill was 7 million in 2019 (Rovers was 5.6 million in 2018) and the owner specifically mentioned how Barton had "brought on board various players with experience of playing in higher leagues". With "football agent" Eddy Jennings as the DOF guiding the manager we can easily imagine what this meant and how disappointing the play off defeat to Wycombe must have been. When Barton was dismissed in January we heard of a "transfer embargo" which the owner had imposed and how this caused friction between him and the manager. Let's be honest about this, a self imposed transfer embargo is code for "I'm not letting you and your mates waste any more of my money". We can't be exactly certain of what the four lads in the house share are cooking up but what we can be sure of is that Wael doesn't have a clue what he has let himself in for.
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