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Post by towngas on Mar 12, 2021 14:13:17 GMT
This is my concern. I mean, innocent till proven guilty and all that, but evidence in the public domain does suggest that if you can find odds on our man being found guilty, then it's time to lump on! And of course, if he is found guilty, it is very difficult to see him not getting a custodial. It is hard to believe - yet entirely believable- that the board are just hoping for the best.If Esmeralda people talking about what they’ve seen If there are people who were present at the time of the incident and they have been discussing it so that evidence is available before the court hearing then sub-judacie rules apply and the case could be very well discontinued. That is why I was surprised when that EFL bloke put that statement out. However having listened to it it became apparent that he was saying nothing really and just seemed to like the sound of his own voice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 15:03:34 GMT
If there are people who were present at the time of the incident and they have been discussing it so that evidence is available before the court hearing then sub-judacie rules apply and the case could be very well discontinued. That is why I was surprised when that EFL bloke put that statement out. However having listened to it it became apparent that he was saying nothing really and just seemed to like the sound of his own voice. Fleetwood player claimed to have witnessed the incident and put account on Twitter, then removed it. Maybe Barton's representatives are confident that there's enough here for the case not to go ahead? I have no idea whatsoever about this legal stuff, here's what was reported as being Tweeted by the player, www.givemesport.com/1468161-joey-barton-headbutted-and-punched-barnsley-manager-in-the-tunnel
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Post by irenestoyboy on Mar 12, 2021 15:35:11 GMT
Whatever, atm he is innocent until proven otherwise. His footballing credentials are the only thing we should be worried about.
I understand the JB is a marmite character both on and off the field, but so was Norman "bites yer legs" hunter (i wonder why he got that rep), Vinne Jones (ask Gazza's balls how they feel about him) as well as our very own Jock Alexander who is more remembered for putting players into row z rather than footballs. These players as well as a few other hard nuts have earned their place as legend for not being crossed either on the field or off. Why is JB any different?
Personally we just need to get behind JB for now and worry about the rest later.
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Post by bluetornados on Mar 12, 2021 15:53:06 GMT
From the BBC: Another Manager is now available (just too late)
Sheffield United manager Chris Wilder is set to leave his role on Friday after almost five years in charge.
Ex-Blades defender Wilder joined the Yorkshire club in May 2016 and took them from League One to the Premier League in that time.
There have been major issues behind the scenes with Sheffield-born Wilder and club owner Prince Abdullah.
The owner felt he had provided funds for new players, including significant spending on strikers Rhian Brewster and Oli McBurnie, over the past two seasons with limited success.
However, Wilder felt this did not go far enough to strengthen his squad to the level required, which led to further tensions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 15:55:05 GMT
Whatever, atm he is innocent until proven otherwise. His footballing credentials are the only thing we should be worried about. I understand the JB is a marmite character both on and off the field, but so was Norman "bites yer legs" hunter (i wonder why he got that rep), Vinne Jones (ask Gazza's balls how they feel about him) as well as our very own Jock Alexander who is more remembered for putting players into row z rather than footballs. These players as well as a few other hard nuts have earned their place as legend for not being crossed either on the field or off. Why is JB any different? Personally we just need to get behind JB for now and worry about the rest later. 2 3 things in reply to that. You decide what worries you, and others will do the same. Could you list Ian Alexander's criminal convictions related to assault please? If you can't then it's not quite a like-for-like comparison. Vinnie Jones is a silly little Man. Find the footage of him having a go at Gladiators and see what happens when he comes up against proper big guys.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 16:07:54 GMT
If there are people who were present at the time of the incident and they have been discussing it so that evidence is available before the court hearing then sub-judacie rules apply and the case could be very well discontinued. That is why I was surprised when that EFL bloke put that statement out. However having listened to it it became apparent that he was saying nothing really and just seemed to like the sound of his own voice. Fleetwood player claimed to have witnessed the incident and put account on Twitter, then removed it. Maybe Barton's representatives are confident that there's enough here for the case not to go ahead? I have no idea whatsoever about this legal stuff, here's what was reported as being Tweeted by the player, www.givemesport.com/1468161-joey-barton-headbutted-and-punched-barnsley-manager-in-the-tunnelI didn’t know about these accounts of the incident. If, and it’s a big if, they are proven to be true then surely there’s no place in football management for him. How any club could employ him with this hanging over him beggars belief.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 16:18:07 GMT
I didn’t know about these accounts of the incident. If, and it’s a big if, they are proven to be true then surely there’s no place in football management for him. How any club could employ him with this hanging over him beggars belief. It's been suggested on here that there's CCTV footage of the incident as well. But towngas appears to be suggesting that the sort of comment put up by that player may cause a case against someone to collapse, if indeed there is a case to answer in the first place. I have no idea whatsoever about the legal mechanism of this type of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 16:22:17 GMT
I didn’t know about these accounts of the incident. If, and it’s a big if, they are proven to be true then surely there’s no place in football management for him. How any club could employ him with this hanging over him beggars belief. It's been suggested on here that there's CCTV footage of the incident as well. But towngas appears to be suggesting that the sort of comment put up by that player may cause a case against someone to collapse, if indeed there is a case to answer in the first place. I have no idea whatsoever about the legal mechanism of this type of thing. Nor me, but I assumed we employed him knowing he was likely to be cleared. If we’re employing him on the basis that he did it but the case will probably fall apart due to legal technicalities then we really are in the gutter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 16:46:24 GMT
Whatever, atm he is innocent until proven otherwise. His footballing credentials are the only thing we should be worried about. I understand the JB is a marmite character both on and off the field, but so was Norman "bites yer legs" hunter (i wonder why he got that rep), Vinne Jones (ask Gazza's balls how they feel about him) as well as our very own Jock Alexander who is more remembered for putting players into row z rather than footballs. These players as well as a few other hard nuts have earned their place as legend for not being crossed either on the field or off. Why is JB any different? Personally we just need to get behind JB for now and worry about the rest later. 2 3 things in reply to that. You decide what worries you, and others will do the same. Could you list Ian Alexander's criminal convictions related to assault please? If you can't then it's not quite a like-for-like comparison. Vinnie Jones is a silly little Man. Find the footage of him having a go at Gladiators and see what happens when he comes up against proper big guys. Did Ian not get found guilty for assaulting his partner after he had hung up his boots?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 16:47:05 GMT
If there are people who were present at the time of the incident and they have been discussing it so that evidence is available before the court hearing then sub-judacie rules apply and the case could be very well discontinued. That is why I was surprised when that EFL bloke put that statement out. However having listened to it it became apparent that he was saying nothing really and just seemed to like the sound of his own voice. Fleetwood player claimed to have witnessed the incident and put account on Twitter, then removed it. Maybe Barton's representatives are confident that there's enough here for the case not to go ahead? I have no idea whatsoever about this legal stuff, here's what was reported as being Tweeted by the player, www.givemesport.com/1468161-joey-barton-headbutted-and-punched-barnsley-manager-in-the-tunnelDear oh dear, it makes me really wonder at wtf Wael is doing hiring a guy who acts like that when he is representing his club in an official capacity as manager. I despair. No doubt some Rovers fans will be w*** themselves daft over my snowflake-ness because I object so strongly. Innocent until proven guilty but the guy didn’t magically lose his teeth and I can’t say I’ve heard anything about this incident that paints Barton in a good light and makes it seem like he was the victim/has any mitigation. No-one claims to have been there and stuck up for him as the wronged party. Wael should stand by his man and insist he wears a club blazer to the court hearing, he’s shown him off on Twitter On his first day of training so he should show him off on his way to court too. A proud day for all involved with Bristol Rovers FC
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 16:56:27 GMT
Whatever, atm he is innocent until proven otherwise. His footballing credentials are the only thing we should be worried about. I understand the JB is a marmite character both on and off the field, but so was Norman "bites yer legs" hunter (i wonder why he got that rep), Vinne Jones (ask Gazza's balls how they feel about him) as well as our very own Jock Alexander who is more remembered for putting players into row z rather than footballs. These players as well as a few other hard nuts have earned their place as legend for not being crossed either on the field or off. Why is JB any different? Personally we just need to get behind JB for now and worry about the rest later. You were slagging him off wanting him sacked on the Barton thread on Gaschat when this assault stuff broke. Now you’re leading the charge to launder his image. Your morals clearly only extend as far as what Bristol Rovers tell you to think and that’s really sad to see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 17:01:23 GMT
I didn’t know about these accounts of the incident. If, and it’s a big if, they are proven to be true then surely there’s no place in football management for him. How any club could employ him with this hanging over him beggars belief. It's been suggested on here that there's CCTV footage of the incident as well. But towngas appears to be suggesting that the sort of comment put up by that player may cause a case against someone to collapse, if indeed there is a case to answer in the first place. I have no idea whatsoever about the legal mechanism of this type of thing. If that’s the case it’s a wonder anything gets prosecuted these days with a site like Twitter ready to report blow by blow anything that moves.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 17:07:03 GMT
Whatever, atm he is innocent until proven otherwise. His footballing credentials are the only thing we should be worried about. I understand the JB is a marmite character both on and off the field, but so was Norman "bites yer legs" hunter (i wonder why he got that rep), Vinne Jones (ask Gazza's balls how they feel about him) as well as our very own Jock Alexander who is more remembered for putting players into row z rather than footballs. These players as well as a few other hard nuts have earned their place as legend for not being crossed either on the field or off. Why is JB any different? Personally we just need to get behind JB for now and worry about the rest later. You were slagging him off wanting him sacked on the Barton thread on Gaschat when this assault stuff broke. Now you’re leading the charge to launder his image. Your morals clearly only extend as far as what Bristol Rovers tell you to think and that’s really sad to see. I remember Barton getting an absolute pasting on Gaschat as Fleetwood manager and again when this broke. People couldn’t believe they didn’t sack him. Now it seems to be a badge of honour
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 17:14:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 17:21:18 GMT
😂 😂 That’s brilliant. To be fair, some of us haven’t been sold on the bullish£t we’re no being fed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 17:29:38 GMT
You were slagging him off wanting him sacked on the Barton thread on Gaschat when this assault stuff broke. Now you’re leading the charge to launder his image. Your morals clearly only extend as far as what Bristol Rovers tell you to think and that’s really sad to see. I remember Barton getting an absolute pasting on Gaschat as Fleetwood manager and again when this broke. People couldn’t believe they didn’t sack him. Now it seems to be a badge of honour As you alluded to earlier, part of the appeal of Barton is his forbidden fruit status. Our fans love to shock and offend so when they are given a manager who can get that reaction from their fellow fans it makes his appeal all the greater. There’s a massive cult of personality effect around Barton. It’s literally like Christmas come early for some, particularly for those who shouted loudest about how much they couldn’t stand him when he was arrested whilst Fleetwood manager. They love to hate him and they love to support him, their moral compass blowing in the breeze.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 12, 2021 17:44:39 GMT
You were slagging him off wanting him sacked on the Barton thread on Gaschat when this assault stuff broke. Now you’re leading the charge to launder his image. Your morals clearly only extend as far as what Bristol Rovers tell you to think and that’s really sad to see. I remember Barton getting an absolute pasting on Gaschat as Fleetwood manager and again when this broke. People couldn’t believe they didn’t sack him. Now it seems to be a badge of honour It can make sense if we acknowledge that a victim culture has developed within Rovers and that many fans are convinced the reason we fail is not because we are doing anything wrong but because "everyone is against us". Joey Barton embodies that same culture. As a player he had natural football ability, he understands the game and he is more articulate than most footballers. But throughout his career he has felt himself a victim of being misunderstood which caused him to be very easily wound up. So at the times when he has been wound up and was unable to control his temper, in his mind at least, it wasn't down to his own shortcomings but the fault of others who were conspiring against him. If you look at it this way Joey Barton is the perfect talisman for victim culture Gasheads.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 17:48:24 GMT
That’s not the thread I’m referring to, check this one out: gaschat.co.uk/thread/14205/joey-barton 8 pages worth of mostly slagging him off for being a thug by people who are now fan club members. Who do you think said this: “Joey Barton is an absolute scum bag. Hope he gets the old tin tack.”
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Post by swissgas on Mar 12, 2021 17:49:01 GMT
How long before those threads are deleted ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 17:54:52 GMT
Top digging. Just quickly scrawled through and found one rather rude post, from someone who sent me a text message the day that Barton was appointed saying that he thought it was a good appointment. As you say, two faced doesn't begin to cover it.
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