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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 19:53:09 GMT
Here we go, a brief, but not complete, list of career 'highlights' from the new public face of our club. Congratulations to everybody who has no understanding whatsoever of our values and has brought this character into my club, I don't expect you to care because your judgement in these things is obviously dire. This says far more about you as people than it does about Bristol Rovers Football Club and what we stand for. You should all hang your heads in shame. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/joey-bartons-top-30-mad-1285925Why dont you **** off to Ashton Gate, your anti Barton rhetoric is painful and embarrassing. You clearly are unable to let it rest and with several other individuals you are wrecking what was a sensible place to have some resonable rovees debate. [br Can you see the irony in your post?
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 6, 2021 19:57:04 GMT
Not sure on the irony but the repeat of post on many threads is getting boring, but it's the other forum that's childish?
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Mar 6, 2021 20:01:35 GMT
Nice Guy BG was a destructive and naive appointment responsible for much mediocrity being signed.PT sadly didn't work and JB is the total anthesis of BG. As has been said elsewhere PEP GUARDIOLA would struggle with these players.We have had four managers this season and look so mediocre under all of 'em.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 20:04:52 GMT
Here we go, a brief, but not complete, list of career 'highlights' from the new public face of our club. Congratulations to everybody who has no understanding whatsoever of our values and has brought this character into my club, I don't expect you to care because your judgement in these things is obviously dire. This says far more about you as people than it does about Bristol Rovers Football Club and what we stand for. You should all hang your heads in shame. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/joey-bartons-top-30-mad-1285925Why dont you **** off to Ashton Gate, your anti Barton rhetoric is painful and embarrassing. You clearly are unable to let it rest and with several other individuals you are wrecking what was a sensible place to have some resonable rovees debate. Well there you have it. Agree with syg or you can go watch your football at The DSS Arena. I'm guessing that a list of 30 of his most embarrassing mistakes, including violence, contradicting himself, exposing himself to supporters during a match and a homophobic outburst is a bit much for some people to accept, all in one go. But there's good news, that only covers up until 2012, there's plenty more after that list was created.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 20:16:25 GMT
Not sure on the irony but the repeat of post on many threads is getting boring, but it's the other forum that's childish? It’s a fair point, but the more people say f&ck off to Ashton Gate, you’re not a real fan, snowflake etc. then the more argument we will put up to back our point of view. All the pro and anti Barton arguments are pretty boring now. Chuck insults at me and to be honest it’s just a further reminder that the club I grew up supporting is no more. Just little bartonettes storming round like little keyboard footsoldiers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 20:21:48 GMT
Not sure on the irony but the repeat of post on many threads is getting boring, but it's the other forum that's childish? It’s a fair point, but the more people say f&ck off to Ashton Gate, you’re not a real fan, snowflake etc. then the more argument we will put up to back our point of view. All the pro and anti Barton arguments are pretty boring now. Chuck insults at me and to be honest it’s just a further reminder that the club I grew up supporting is no more. Just little bartonettes storming round like little keyboard footsoldiers I don’t recall anyone who is against Barton telling others to shut up. Once again, severe intolerance of different points of view and it’s all the people who are pro-Barton doing it. Meanwhile the cause of all this in-fighting has 1 win from 4 games. Was it ever worth it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 0:44:07 GMT
I have resolved not to post during matchdays, since I am not supporting Bristol Rovers at this time. I claim the right to participate otherwise, on this single thread, and without seeking the permission of syg or anyone else. To read is your choice. To take offence is your choice. I don't think Pearson is a particulaly nice person. Where was the faux outrage when we signed Adam Smith, what with his treatment of a woman on that pre-season tour. Is it only an outrage if the offence is committed by someone high-profile? Pearson doesn't appear to have committed the same number of violent criminal offences as Barton, but no, he's not someone I would like to see. I don't know anything about Adam Smith, but what you suggest sounds unacceptable. You can't expect 'outrage' regarding things I don't know about. I appreciate them being pointed out when I don't, however. Um, and Ronnie Mauge? No one batted eyelid. Rollin hit and run seemed acceptable too.. Mauge is not a case I know about either. I'd be more inclined to check if he remained a BRFC employee. As for the hit and run offence, I wrote in disapproval of that at the time. I did not accept or approve of this at all, my dear O2. I call it when I see it, and the worse I see the less I accept. Joey Barton's management is, to my knowledge, the worst appointment to disgrace the decency and dignity of Bristol Rovers I have witnessed, and be was appointed not as a squad or development player, but as a known violent offender on bail awaiting trial for further violence appointed to the main position of leadership at our football club, so I have gone rather further in my condemnation of his, as you might expect. Why dont you **** off to Ashton Gate, your anti Barton rhetoric is painful and embarrassing. You clearly are unable to let it rest and with several other individuals you are wrecking what was a sensible place to have some resonable rovees debate. Why should Bambi ... off? Why on earth should he go to Ashton Gate? Bambi can speak for himself, but your post is presumably written to intimidate less confident Guzzlers from writing against this shameful appointment, since you must know Bambi would ignore your banal suggestions. You know where you can stick such tactics. This thread is about Barton being unfit to manage Bristol Rovers. I think the title is perfectly clear. I find both Barton being Rovers manager and your attacks on this appointment's opponents embarrassing, but I'm tired of saying so, and you're free to express your amoral position to your heart's content. I don't know why a 'reasonable Rovers debate' must comprise arguments which agree with you. You've made a fool of yourself.
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Post by axegas on Mar 7, 2021 2:37:48 GMT
Not sure on the irony but the repeat of post on many threads is getting boring, but it's the other forum that's childish? It’s a fair point, but the more people say f&ck off to Ashton Gate, you’re not a real fan, snowflake etc. then the more argument we will put up to back our point of view. All the pro and anti Barton arguments are pretty boring now. Chuck insults at me and to be honest it’s just a further reminder that the club I grew up supporting is no more. Just little bartonettes storming round like little keyboard footsoldiers I love the club but appointing Barton has really brought the worst out of some fans. Polarised debates are always going to be contentious but I don’t get why some Gasheads feel so strongly that any Anti Barton sentiment cannot be tolerated. They view an attack on the club and an attack on Barton as an attack on them for some reason. The poor form recently and the Barton nonsense really make me want to take a break. However, I’ve watched every game on ifollow this season and I can’t make myself abandon ship now when the season is starting to reach its climax and the peril of the drop looms large. Next year when crowds return, is when I think I’ll distance myself a bit. Supported Rovers intensely for so long, I need a break from it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 5:22:38 GMT
It’s a fair point, but the more people say f&ck off to Ashton Gate, you’re not a real fan, snowflake etc. then the more argument we will put up to back our point of view. All the pro and anti Barton arguments are pretty boring now. Chuck insults at me and to be honest it’s just a further reminder that the club I grew up supporting is no more. Just little bartonettes storming round like little keyboard footsoldiers I love the club but appointing Barton has really brought the worst out of some fans. Polarised debates are always going to be contentious but I don’t get why some Gasheads feel so strongly that any Anti Barton sentiment cannot be tolerated. They view an attack on the club and an attack on Barton as an attack on them for some reason. The poor form recently and the Barton nonsense really make me want to take a break. However, I’ve watched every game on ifollow this season and I can’t make myself abandon ship now when the season is starting to reach its climax and the peril of the drop looms large. Next year when crowds return, is when I think I’ll distance myself a bit. Supported Rovers intensely for so long, I need a break from it. Yep, it’s creeping in over here now, posters being very, shall we say, “forthright” that they expect not to read any criticism. I guess one forum that is entirely pro-Barton is not enough for some people. Maybe the club needs a third forum for the sceptics? Ps: props for pulling up purdown on double standards. You’re fighting a losing battle over there though. They neither see nor care about the irony of judging others for their behaviour whilst giving Barton a hall pass. I guess I don’t fit in amongst “real supporters” for hating the hypocrisy and for their part those supporters dislike me for not allowing my opinions to switch with the direction of the wind as they do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 6:09:34 GMT
Maybe the club needs a third forum for the sceptics? Aha! I don't see all of us disgusted by Barton being silenced by syg and co (apparently without irony or guile) swearing at us or telling us to join our 1982 neighbours. This place has two Admins, who can speak for themselves, but neither of whom seem to find Barton or his most insulting and aggressive fans online appealing, although I fear maybe both are pretty fed up with the recent direction of this place as a result. Drive them from this place, and this place closes. We, Gas Guzzlers, claim the right to disagree and to speak out against what we find acceptable, especially on a thread created and clearly labelled for this express purpose, without cowards telling us to duck of to Ashton. I really think such phrases, and intolerance of dissent, are the hallmarks of having lost the intellectual and moral argument. I just hope it doesn't work in intimidating other, less belligerent, Gas Guzzlers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 6:24:22 GMT
Maybe the club needs a third forum for the sceptics? Aha! I don't see all of us disgusted by Barton being silenced by syg and co (apparently without irony or guile) swearing at us or telling us to join our 1982 neighbours. This place has two Admins, who can speak for themselves, but neither of whom seem to find Barton or his most insulting and aggressive fans online appealing, although I fear maybe both are pretty fed up with the recent direction of this place as a result. Drive them from this place, and this place closes. We, Gas Guzzlers, claim the right to disagree and to speak out against what we find acceptable, especially on a thread created and clearly labelled for this express purpose, without cowards telling us to duck of to Ashton. I really think such phrases, and intolerance of dissent, are the hallmarks of having lost the intellectual and moral argument. I just hope it doesn't work in intimidating other, less belligerent, Gas Guzzlers. What’s wrong with blocking/ignoring such posts/posters? Nobody is forcing them to read it but it’s almost like they love getting their knickers in a twist by reading anti-Barton sentiment and then railing against it. What’s the point? Why can’t we be more accepting, mature and adult on this forum that we all have different viewpoints and either debate it, or gloss over it and ultimately live and let live? To do otherwise is to resort to the level of childish playground behaviour the other forum excels in. Rovers becomes more like a cult every day.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 7, 2021 10:06:31 GMT
I have resolved not to post during matchdays, since I am not supporting Bristol Rovers at this time. I claim the right to participate otherwise, on this single thread, and without seeking the permission of syg or anyone else. To read is your choice. To take offence is your choice. I don't think Pearson is a particulaly nice person. Where was the faux outrage when we signed Adam Smith, what with his treatment of a woman on that pre-season tour. Is it only an outrage if the offence is committed by someone high-profile? Pearson doesn't appear to have committed the same number of violent criminal offences as Barton, but no, he's not someone I would like to see. I don't know anything about Adam Smith, but what you suggest sounds unacceptable. You can't expect 'outrage' regarding things I don't know about. I appreciate them being pointed out when I don't, however. Um, and Ronnie Mauge? No one batted eyelid. Rollin hit and run seemed acceptable too.. Mauge is not a case I know about either. I'd be more inclined to check if he remained a BRFC employee. As for the hit and run offence, I wrote in disapproval of that at the time. I did not accept or approve of this at all, my dear O2. I call it when I see it, and the worse I see the less I accept. Joey Barton's management is, to my knowledge, the worst appointment to disgrace the decency and dignity of Bristol Rovers I have witnessed, and be was appointed not as a squad or development player, but as a known violent offender on bail awaiting trial for further violence appointed to the main position of leadership at our football club, so I have gone rather further in my condemnation of his, as you might expect. Why dont you **** off to Ashton Gate, your anti Barton rhetoric is painful and embarrassing. You clearly are unable to let it rest and with several other individuals you are wrecking what was a sensible place to have some resonable rovees debate. Why should Bambi ... off? Why on earth should he go to Ashton Gate? Bambi can speak for himself, but your post is presumably written to intimidate less confident Guzzlers from writing against this shameful appointment, since you must know Bambi would ignore your banal suggestions. You know where you can stick such tactics. This thread is about Barton being unfit to manage Bristol Rovers. I think the title is perfectly clear. I find both Barton being Rovers manager and your attacks on this appointment's opponents embarrassing, but I'm tired of saying so, and you're free to express your amoral position to your heart's content. I don't know why a 'reasonable Rovers debate' must comprise arguments which agree with you. You've made a fool of yourself. Opinions on Mr Jeal? And RM was employed after his alleged taking and kidnapping, plus a replica gun incident. The club has employed criminals. It's a matter of where you draw the line on it or don't draw it at all. You say you were vocal on RM incident, but can't remember martyring the point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 10:48:13 GMT
I have resolved not to post during matchdays, since I am not supporting Bristol Rovers at this time. I claim the right to participate otherwise, on this single thread, and without seeking the permission of syg or anyone else. To read is your choice. To take offence is your choice. Pearson doesn't appear to have committed the same number of violent criminal offences as Barton, but no, he's not someone I would like to see. I don't know anything about Adam Smith, but what you suggest sounds unacceptable. You can't expect 'outrage' regarding things I don't know about. I appreciate them being pointed out when I don't, however. Mauge is not a case I know about either. I'd be more inclined to check if he remained a BRFC employee. As for the hit and run offence, I wrote in disapproval of that at the time. I did not accept or approve of this at all, my dear O2. I call it when I see it, and the worse I see the less I accept. Joey Barton's management is, to my knowledge, the worst appointment to disgrace the decency and dignity of Bristol Rovers I have witnessed, and be was appointed not as a squad or development player, but as a known violent offender on bail awaiting trial for further violence appointed to the main position of leadership at our football club, so I have gone rather further in my condemnation of his, as you might expect. Why should Bambi ... off? Why on earth should he go to Ashton Gate? Bambi can speak for himself, but your post is presumably written to intimidate less confident Guzzlers from writing against this shameful appointment, since you must know Bambi would ignore your banal suggestions. You know where you can stick such tactics. This thread is about Barton being unfit to manage Bristol Rovers. I think the title is perfectly clear. I find both Barton being Rovers manager and your attacks on this appointment's opponents embarrassing, but I'm tired of saying so, and you're free to express your amoral position to your heart's content. I don't know why a 'reasonable Rovers debate' must comprise arguments which agree with you. You've made a fool of yourself. Opinions on Mr Jeal? And RM was employed after his alleged taking and kidnapping, plus a replica gun incident. The club has employed criminals. It's a matter of where you draw the line on it or don't draw it at all. You say you were vocal on RM incident, but can't remember martyring the point. For my part I don’t recall the Mauge or Rollin stuff but take a dim view of it. I would have given Tammy Abraham his marching orders for his driving offences if he were a Rovers player. And the Dave Jeal stuff again I hate all this romanticism of the terrace era and all the bollocks that goes with it. He might consider himself reformed because he gave God the chance to forgive him rather than his victim and that’s all as maybe. I guess for me it’s more palatable that the role of club chaplain is far more of an irrelevance than that of a player or a manager. If Barton wanted to be our chaplain I’d wonder how he was so sure he had forgiveness but acquiesce ultimately. Not so with the manager’s role though. The best example prior to Barton that I can relate to is Pipe I guess and imo the club were bang on giving him his marching orders and the fans were totally behind it too. Why do I get the impression that if that happened today there would be far more people who changed their tune and wanted us to give him a chance, especially if he had a decent goal record. I don’t want the likes of Pipe or Gary Madine to represent me in a blue and white quartered shirt.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 7, 2021 11:12:51 GMT
"I guess for me it’s more palatable that the role of club chaplain is far more of an irrelevance than that of a player or a manager."
That's just it. You draw your line there...as is your prerogative. Others draw their line somewhere else.
The club has a history of employing some criminals or those whom have transgressed the law, repentant or not, for whatever crime or not. My guess is this will continue.
There has never been the outcry before, or the martyrdom. I do understand the depth of feeling though in each individual circumstance.....the thing is, if they can bring their professionalism, skills and abilities to the table, improve the team, squad and players, it can be argued whom is anyone to judge?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Mar 7, 2021 11:21:58 GMT
It’s a fair point, but the more people say f&ck off to Ashton Gate, you’re not a real fan, snowflake etc. then the more argument we will put up to back our point of view. All the pro and anti Barton arguments are pretty boring now. Chuck insults at me and to be honest it’s just a further reminder that the club I grew up supporting is no more. Just little bartonettes storming round like little keyboard footsoldiers I love the club but appointing Barton has really brought the worst out of some fans. Polarised debates are always going to be contentious but I don’t get why some Gasheads feel so strongly that any Anti Barton sentiment cannot be tolerated. They view an attack on the club and an attack on Barton as an attack on them for some reason. The poor form recently and the Barton nonsense really make me want to take a break. However, I’ve watched every game on ifollow this season and I can’t make myself abandon ship now when the season is starting to reach its climax and the peril of the drop looms large. Next year when crowds return, is when I think I’ll distance myself a bit. Supported Rovers intensely for so long, I need a break from it. You are right Axegas. The current debate with entrenched positions is however a sign of the times we are in. There is no tolerance of differing opinions and for reasons best discussed on a politics page. If you look on here even the anti Barton appointment side, whilst not telling people to **** to Ashton Gate have used aggressive rhetoric and at times pathetic name calling such as 'weasels' which though not the worst are certainly intended to describe supporters in a particular nasty manner to get a point across. Tolerance of differing viewpoints has disappeared across the globe and even in this small corner of the internet. The position of the anti Barton stance to claim the moral high ground though is certainly on thin ice. Regards
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Post by Rex on Mar 7, 2021 11:57:39 GMT
It’s a fair point, but the more people say f&ck off to Ashton Gate, you’re not a real fan, snowflake etc. then the more argument we will put up to back our point of view. All the pro and anti Barton arguments are pretty boring now. Chuck insults at me and to be honest it’s just a further reminder that the club I grew up supporting is no more. Just little bartonettes storming round like little keyboard footsoldiers I don’t recall anyone who is against Barton telling others to shut up. Once again, severe intolerance of different points of view and it’s all the people who are pro-Barton doing it. Meanwhile the cause of all this in-fighting has 1 win from 4 games. Was it ever worth it? I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you mean that all the people doing it are pro Barton, rather than what you actually typed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 12:03:09 GMT
I am tolerant of the opposing view, as I have demonstrated. The aggressions seems to come from a subset of the faction arguing or writing in favour of a violent criminal being the manager of Bristol Rovers, which is somewhat to be expected. This blame on both sides argument is very Trump 2020, isn't it? We're arguing against the promotion of violent thuggery, and the other side are arguing for it, swearing at us to attend Ashton Gate instead. I'm happy to disagree politely.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 12:05:38 GMT
I love the club but appointing Barton has really brought the worst out of some fans. Polarised debates are always going to be contentious but I don’t get why some Gasheads feel so strongly that any Anti Barton sentiment cannot be tolerated. They view an attack on the club and an attack on Barton as an attack on them for some reason. The poor form recently and the Barton nonsense really make me want to take a break. However, I’ve watched every game on ifollow this season and I can’t make myself abandon ship now when the season is starting to reach its climax and the peril of the drop looms large. Next year when crowds return, is when I think I’ll distance myself a bit. Supported Rovers intensely for so long, I need a break from it. You are right Axegas. The current debate with entrenched positions is however a sign of the times we are in. There is no tolerance of differing opinions and for reasons best discussed on a politics page. If you look on here even the anti Barton appointment side, whilst not telling people to **** to Ashton Gate have used aggressive rhetoric and at times pathetic name calling such as 'weasels' which though not the worst are certainly intended to describe supporters in a particular nasty manner to get a point across. Tolerance of differing viewpoints has disappeared across the globe and even in this small corner of the internet. The position of the anti Barton stance to claim the moral high ground though is certainly on thin ice. Regards Again, you are contorting what's been said in an attempt to try to make yourself appear some form of calm bringer of rationality. What's actually been said is that we've sacrificed our moral position. No individual has claimed to maintain moral standing. Sure, take it to the politics section, it'll be fun. Best regards.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 7, 2021 12:26:07 GMT
I love the club but appointing Barton has really brought the worst out of some fans. Polarised debates are always going to be contentious but I don’t get why some Gasheads feel so strongly that any Anti Barton sentiment cannot be tolerated. They view an attack on the club and an attack on Barton as an attack on them for some reason. The poor form recently and the Barton nonsense really make me want to take a break. However, I’ve watched every game on ifollow this season and I can’t make myself abandon ship now when the season is starting to reach its climax and the peril of the drop looms large. Next year when crowds return, is when I think I’ll distance myself a bit. Supported Rovers intensely for so long, I need a break from it. You are right Axegas. The current debate with entrenched positions is however a sign of the times we are in. There is no tolerance of differing opinions and for reasons best discussed on a politics page. If you look on here even the anti Barton appointment side, whilst not telling people to **** to Ashton Gate have used aggressive rhetoric and at times pathetic name calling such as 'weasels' which though not the worst are certainly intended to describe supporters in a particular nasty manner to get a point across. Tolerance of differing viewpoints has disappeared across the globe and even in this small corner of the internet. The position of the anti Barton stance to claim the moral high ground though is certainly on thin ice. Regards With Joseph Barton's record there is no moral high ground because there is nothing to get all high and mighty about. He has a behavioural problem caused by his sociopathic and violent childhood that he seemingly hasn't dealt with properly so no matter how good a football coach he appears to be, the risk of him suddenly lashing out will always be there. Morality doesn't come into it. What worries me more is how so many of our fans identify so strongly with him.
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Post by towngas on Mar 7, 2021 13:33:45 GMT
You are right Axegas. The current debate with entrenched positions is however a sign of the times we are in. There is no tolerance of differing opinions and for reasons best discussed on a politics page. If you look on here even the anti Barton appointment side, whilst not telling people to **** to Ashton Gate have used aggressive rhetoric and at times pathetic name calling such as 'weasels' which though not the worst are certainly intended to describe supporters in a particular nasty manner to get a point across. Tolerance of differing viewpoints has disappeared across the globe and even in this small corner of the internet. The position of the anti Barton stance to claim the moral high ground though is certainly on thin ice. Regards With Joseph Barton's record there is no moral high ground because there is nothing to get all high and mighty about. He has a behavioural problem caused by his sociopathic and violent childhood that he seemingly hasn't dealt with properly so no matter how good a football coach he appears to be, the risk of him suddenly lashing out will always be there. Morality doesn't come into it. What worries me more is how so many of our fans identify so strongly with him. I don’t want to identify with JB. I want him to behave himself and improve the football team and therefore the club. As I have said before, as far as I’m concerned he starts here with a clean slate. I am prepared to give him a chance and sincerely hope he doesn’t throw that chance and opportunity back in the club and supporters face.
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