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Post by imanobody on May 19, 2023 19:59:01 GMT
The foundations are built on a heady mixture of luck, chemistry and paper. The 'plan' would appear to be to keep getting loanees in key positions and hope they gel quick enough to have a tilt at the play-offs. The following season will require yet another re-build as the loanees go back to their parent Clubs. Rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat. Rovers do not have the structure to get good youngsters coming through (see detailed comments from The Concept). This is down to Barton, and Wael ceding to his wishes. Barton. Spending £3-£4mil of Wael's money each year in a vainglorious attempt at promotion. There is no vision beyond the next transfer window and Barton begging Wael for more money. When Barton goes, and Rovers inevitably lose a bulk of their coaching staff, there will be very little left. (Apart from the Quarters). This is the future, This is what it looks like. This exactly. Add also to that the need to replace players that he has not been able to get the most out of or has publicly hung out to dry and you have a perfect recipe for spending lots of money on chaos and turbulence. The best sides thrive because of stability. Coventry seem to have done pretty well the other night with plenty of loan players in the team and absolutely no stability during their rise through the football pyramid! Explain how that works?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 20:24:35 GMT
Its staggering how uninformed some posters seem to be. Some are are so wrapped up in a mixture of anti Barton/anti Waq/anti Gorringe/anti anything to do with Rovers that its a fixation. They then start spouting all manner of stuff that is frankly embarrassing and invarably does not stack up when challenged. One of the latest is the 'too many loan players', lack of foundations blah blah blah. Anything to have a pop at something or someone connected to Rovers as usual. Lets see how many loan players some other League one clubs had signed up come the end of the season shall we: Portsmouth 5 Plymouth 5 Lincoln 6 Charlton 5 Shrewsbury 5 Bolton 5 Barnsley 6
Thats by no means comprehensive, there are others clubs with similar numbers, But you get the drift.
BRFC were also 5 by the way. We dont need to go on do we, as that debate can now be formly put to bed because as usual some people are talking total bollox so as to be able to have a pop. The constant and continual bashing of WAQ/JB/Gorringe is quite sad. Life is too short for constant moaning, this stuff is not that important!
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Post by oldie on May 19, 2023 20:48:39 GMT
"I didn't mention L plates, I said that he is still on the learning curve. If I employed somebody for a role with many different facets, in a fast changing, competitive environment, I would be horrified if they thought they knew everything there was to know within 4 years, they wouldn't be very successful at helping the company to move forward."
Perhaps, but taking your analogy this would definitely happen.
"Barton, come into my office. Right, now look, we have given you a ton of leeway in the two and a half years you have been here. However,we are very disappointed with the dreadful end to last season and we all look forward to some genuine progress next season, but please bear this in mind. We are very tired of your public outbursts on referees, on other managers and clubs and players. Your discipline in dealing with decisions you disagree with leaves a lot to be desired and puts the club in a bad light. Please, no, we insist that you improve your behaviour.
Can we remind you that as an employed manager you have achieved relatively little in your managerial career to date so we insist you focus on achieving next season's objectives, objectives that we pay you to achieve, cut out the media nonsense and understand that whilst you may have a high opinion of yourself there are many that do not share this opinion. Thank you"
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Post by oldie on May 19, 2023 20:52:15 GMT
Its staggering how uninformed some posters seem to be. Some are are so wrapped up in a mixture of anti Barton/anti Waq/anti Gorringe/anti anything to do with Rovers that its a fixation. They then start spouting all manner of stuff that is frankly embarrassing and invarably does not stack up when challenged. One of the latest is the 'too many loan players', lack of foundations blah blah blah. Anything to have a pop at something or someone connected to Rovers as usual. Lets see how many loan players some other League one clubs had signed up come the end of the season shall we: Portsmouth 5 Plymouth 5 Lincoln 6 Charlton 5 Shrewsbury 5 Bolton 5 Barnsley 6
Thats by no means comprehensive, there are others clubs with similar numbers, But you get the drift.
BRFC were also 5 by the way. We dont need to go on do we, as that debate can now be formly put to bed because as usual some people are talking total bollox so as to be able to have a pop. The constant and continual bashing of WAQ/HB/Gorringe is quite sad. Life is too short for constant moaning, this stuff is not that important! How many of the clubs you chose to highlight were promoted, made the playoffs or finished above us in the final league table?
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Post by Bath Gas on May 19, 2023 21:09:39 GMT
"I didn't mention L plates, I said that he is still on the learning curve. If I employed somebody for a role with many different facets, in a fast changing, competitive environment, I would be horrified if they thought they knew everything there was to know within 4 years, they wouldn't be very successful at helping the company to move forward." Perhaps, but taking your analogy this would definitely happen. "Barton, come into my office. Right, now look, we have given you a ton of leeway in the two and a half years you have been here. However,we are very disappointed with the dreadful end to last season and we all look forward to some genuine progress next season, but please bear this in mind. We are very tired of your public outbursts on referees, on other managers and clubs and players. Your discipline in dealing with decisions you disagree with leaves a lot to be desired and puts the club in a bad light. Please, no, we insist that you improve your behaviour. Can we remind you that as an employed manager you have achieved relatively little in your managerial career to date so we insist you focus on achieving next season's objectives, objectives that we pay you to achieve, cut out the media nonsense and understand that whilst you may have a high opinion of yourself there are many that do not share this opinion. Thank you" It would not definitely happen - it's a fantasy conversation, which your imagination has conjured up.
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Post by Bath Gas on May 19, 2023 21:11:29 GMT
Its staggering how uninformed some posters seem to be. Some are are so wrapped up in a mixture of anti Barton/anti Waq/anti Gorringe/anti anything to do with Rovers that its a fixation. They then start spouting all manner of stuff that is frankly embarrassing and invarably does not stack up when challenged.One of the latest is the 'too many loan players', lack of foundations blah blah blah. Anything to have a pop at something or someone connected to Rovers as usual. Lets see how many loan players some other League one clubs had signed up come the end of the season shall we: Portsmouth 5 Plymouth 5 Lincoln 6 Charlton 5 Shrewsbury 5 Bolton 5 Barnsley 6
Thats by no means comprehensive, there are others clubs with similar numbers, But you get the drift.
BRFC were also 5 by the way. We dont need to go on do we, as that debate can now be formly put to bed because as usual some people are talking total bollox so as to be able to have a pop. The constant and continual bashing of WAQ/JB/Gorringe is quite sad. Life is too short for constant moaning, this stuff is not that important! I mainly come on here for the comedy value this provides, there is very little actual football talk.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 21:19:32 GMT
Its staggering how uninformed some posters seem to be. Some are are so wrapped up in a mixture of anti Barton/anti Waq/anti Gorringe/anti anything to do with Rovers that its a fixation. They then start spouting all manner of stuff that is frankly embarrassing and invarably does not stack up when challenged.One of the latest is the 'too many loan players', lack of foundations blah blah blah. Anything to have a pop at something or someone connected to Rovers as usual. Lets see how many loan players some other League one clubs had signed up come the end of the season shall we: Portsmouth 5 Plymouth 5 Lincoln 6 Charlton 5 Shrewsbury 5 Bolton 5 Barnsley 6
Thats by no means comprehensive, there are others clubs with similar numbers, But you get the drift.
BRFC were also 5 by the way. We dont need to go on do we, as that debate can now be formly put to bed because as usual some people are talking total bollox so as to be able to have a pop. The constant and continual bashing of WAQ/JB/Gorringe is quite sad. Life is too short for constant moaning, this stuff is not that important! I mainly come on here for the comedy value this provides, there is very little actual football talk. Aint that the truth. I've long mainatained there is enough material here for a Ricky Gervais standup show.
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Post by baselswh on May 19, 2023 21:19:50 GMT
Its staggering how uninformed some posters seem to be. Some are are so wrapped up in a mixture of anti Barton/anti Waq/anti Gorringe/anti anything to do with Rovers that its a fixation. They then start spouting all manner of stuff that is frankly embarrassing and invarably does not stack up when challenged. One of the latest is the 'too many loan players', lack of foundations blah blah blah. Anything to have a pop at something or someone connected to Rovers as usual. Lets see how many loan players some other League one clubs had signed up come the end of the season shall we: Portsmouth 5 Plymouth 5 Lincoln 6 Charlton 5 Shrewsbury 5 Bolton 5 Barnsley 6
Thats by no means comprehensive, there are others clubs with similar numbers, But you get the drift.
BRFC were also 5 by the way. We dont need to go on do we, as that debate can now be formly put to bed because as usual some people are talking total bollox so as to be able to have a pop. The constant and continual bashing of WAQ/JB/Gorringe is quite sad. Life is too short for constant moaning, this stuff is not that important! Hear hear! Some of the criticisms against JB have been absolutely ridiculous and embarrassing. Highlighting the strange negativity of how some see football. There will be quite a few that slagged off Lennie,GC and now JB. Like a bloody freak show. Come see,come hear the moaners moan!
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Post by swissgas on May 19, 2023 21:20:14 GMT
This exactly. Add also to that the need to replace players that he has not been able to get the most out of or has publicly hung out to dry and you have a perfect recipe for spending lots of money on chaos and turbulence. The best sides thrive because of stability. Coventry seem to have done pretty well the other night with plenty of loan players in the team and absolutely no stability during their rise through the football pyramid! Explain how that works? The explanation of how it works is good management of resources. In 2017/18 Coventry achieved promotion from League 2 to League 1 with a total spend of £ 7.6 million In 2021/22 Rovers achieved promotion from League 2 to League 1 with a total spend of £ 10.7 million In 2018/19, their first season back in League 1, Coventry achieved 8th place with a total spend of £ 8.5 million. In 2022/23, our first season back in League 1, Rovers achieved 17th place with a total spend in excess of £ 11 million. In 2019/20 Coventry were champions of League 1 with a total spend of £ 10.3 million. We are already spending over £ 11 million but JB says we need to spend more. We are completely mismanaging our resources. Which makes the constant and continual bigging up of WAQ/JB/Gorringe quite sad.
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Post by baselswh on May 19, 2023 21:21:27 GMT
"I didn't mention L plates, I said that he is still on the learning curve. If I employed somebody for a role with many different facets, in a fast changing, competitive environment, I would be horrified if they thought they knew everything there was to know within 4 years, they wouldn't be very successful at helping the company to move forward." Perhaps, but taking your analogy this would definitely happen. "Barton, come into my office. Right, now look, we have given you a ton of leeway in the two and a half years you have been here. However,we are very disappointed with the dreadful end to last season and we all look forward to some genuine progress next season, but please bear this in mind. We are very tired of your public outbursts on referees, on other managers and clubs and players. Your discipline in dealing with decisions you disagree with leaves a lot to be desired and puts the club in a bad light. Please, no, we insist that you improve your behaviour. Can we remind you that as an employed manager you have achieved relatively little in your managerial career to date so we insist you focus on achieving next season's objectives, objectives that we pay you to achieve, cut out the media nonsense and understand that whilst you may have a high opinion of yourself there are many that do not share this opinion. Thank you" 😄
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 21:26:24 GMT
Its staggering how uninformed some posters seem to be. Some are are so wrapped up in a mixture of anti Barton/anti Waq/anti Gorringe/anti anything to do with Rovers that its a fixation. They then start spouting all manner of stuff that is frankly embarrassing and invarably does not stack up when challenged. One of the latest is the 'too many loan players', lack of foundations blah blah blah. Anything to have a pop at something or someone connected to Rovers as usual. Lets see how many loan players some other League one clubs had signed up come the end of the season shall we: Portsmouth 5 Plymouth 5 Lincoln 6 Charlton 5 Shrewsbury 5 Bolton 5 Barnsley 6
Thats by no means comprehensive, there are others clubs with similar numbers, But you get the drift.
BRFC were also 5 by the way. We dont need to go on do we, as that debate can now be formly put to bed because as usual some people are talking total bollox so as to be able to have a pop. The constant and continual bashing of WAQ/HB/Gorringe is quite sad. Life is too short for constant moaning, this stuff is not that important! How many of the clubs you chose to highlight were promoted, made the playoffs or finished above us in the final league table?
From this list - All of them - As you well know. Which kind of proves its a cost effective and decent way to challenge for the play offs, (or in Argyles case - win the league) In fact, unless you are loaded (Ipswich, Sheff wed) it may be the only realistic way.
But that doesnt fit the narrative of some, as we well know
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 21:31:13 GMT
Coventry seem to have done pretty well the other night with plenty of loan players in the team and absolutely no stability during their rise through the football pyramid! Explain how that works? The explanation of how it works is good management of resources. In 2017/18 Coventry achieved promotion from League 2 to League 1 with a total spend of £ 7.6 million In 2021/22 Rovers achieved promotion from League 2 to League 1 with a total spend of £ 10.7 million In 2018/19, their first season back in League 1, Coventry achieved 8th place with a total spend of £ 8.5 million. In 2022/23, our first season back in League 1, Rovers achieved 17th place with a total spend in excess of £ 11 million. In 2019/20 Coventry were champions of League 1 with a total spend of £ 10.3 million. We are already spending over £ 11 million but JB says we need to spend more. We are completely mismanaging our resources. Which makes the constant and continual bigging up of WAQ/JB/Gorringe quite sad. Oh christ, here we go again.
Dear old Swiss even mentioned players names the other day.
It must have been some kind of parallel universe.
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Post by swissgas on May 19, 2023 21:36:58 GMT
The explanation of how it works is good management of resources. In 2017/18 Coventry achieved promotion from League 2 to League 1 with a total spend of £ 7.6 million In 2021/22 Rovers achieved promotion from League 2 to League 1 with a total spend of £ 10.7 million In 2018/19, their first season back in League 1, Coventry achieved 8th place with a total spend of £ 8.5 million. In 2022/23, our first season back in League 1, Rovers achieved 17th place with a total spend in excess of £ 11 million. In 2019/20 Coventry were champions of League 1 with a total spend of £ 10.3 million. We are already spending over £ 11 million but JB says we need to spend more. We are completely mismanaging our resources. Which makes the constant and continual bigging up of WAQ/JB/Gorringe quite sad. Oh christ, here we go again.
Dear old Swiss even mentioned players names the other day.
It must have been some kind of parallel universe.
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Post by keygas on May 19, 2023 21:41:00 GMT
Coventry seem to have done pretty well the other night with plenty of loan players in the team and absolutely no stability during their rise through the football pyramid! Explain how that works? The explanation of how it works is good management of resources. In 2017/18 Coventry achieved promotion from League 2 to League 1 with a total spend of £ 7.6 million In 2021/22 Rovers achieved promotion from League 2 to League 1 with a total spend of £ 10.7 million In 2018/19, their first season back in League 1, Coventry achieved 8th place with a total spend of £ 8.5 million. In 2022/23, our first season back in League 1, Rovers achieved 17th place with a total spend in excess of £ 11 million. In 2019/20 Coventry were champions of League 1 with a total spend of £ 10.3 million. We are already spending over £ 11 million but JB says we need to spend more. We are completely mismanaging our resources. Which makes the constant and continual bigging up of WAQ/JB/Gorringe quite sad. Not as sad as some people who constantly slag the club off, don’t attend matches , don’t put a penny into the club but then have the audacity to criticise how the club is run.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 21:42:53 GMT
Its staggering how uninformed some posters seem to be. Some are are so wrapped up in a mixture of anti Barton/anti Waq/anti Gorringe/anti anything to do with Rovers that its a fixation. They then start spouting all manner of stuff that is frankly embarrassing and invarably does not stack up when challenged. One of the latest is the 'too many loan players', lack of foundations blah blah blah. Anything to have a pop at something or someone connected to Rovers as usual. Lets see how many loan players some other League one clubs had signed up come the end of the season shall we: Portsmouth 5 Plymouth 5 Lincoln 6 Charlton 5 Shrewsbury 5 Bolton 5 Barnsley 6
Thats by no means comprehensive, there are others clubs with similar numbers, But you get the drift.
BRFC were also 5 by the way. We dont need to go on do we, as that debate can now be formly put to bed because as usual some people are talking total bollox so as to be able to have a pop. The constant and continual bashing of WAQ/JB/Gorringe is quite sad. Life is too short for constant moaning, this stuff is not that important! Hear hear! Some of the criticisms against JB have been absolutely ridiculous and embarrassing. Highlighting the strange negativity of how some see football. There will be quite a few that slagged off Lennie,GC and now JB. Like a bloody freak show. Come see,come hear the moaners moan!
Flogging a dead horse Bas, or in technical terms 'p*ssing in the wind'
Its a case of some people wanting to invent Rovers related misery so that they can wallow in it, in the hope that one day that can say 'told you'.
They are in the wrong sport
Another award for the club his week for family engagement - not a word on gasheads.org.
Negative Negative Negative
I came across some posts from a few years ago recently, pre JB, same negativity, but the same posters, same moaning, just different things to moan about. The same people, saying the same things. Hate everything about Rovers and keep talking about it. So very odd.
Anyway, cricket season now
Up The Gas
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Post by Bath Gas on May 19, 2023 22:37:01 GMT
Coventry seem to have done pretty well the other night with plenty of loan players in the team and absolutely no stability during their rise through the football pyramid! Explain how that works? The explanation of how it works is good management of resources. In 2017/18 Coventry achieved promotion from League 2 to League 1 with a total spend of £ 7.6 million In 2021/22 Rovers achieved promotion from League 2 to League 1 with a total spend of £ 10.7 million In 2018/19, their first season back in League 1, Coventry achieved 8th place with a total spend of £ 8.5 million. In 2022/23, our first season back in League 1, Rovers achieved 17th place with a total spend in excess of £ 11 million. In 2019/20 Coventry were champions of League 1 with a total spend of £ 10.3 million. We are already spending over £ 11 million but JB says we need to spend more. We are completely mismanaging our resources. Which makes the constant and continual bigging up of WAQ/JB/Gorringe quite sad. Coventry are subject to the whims of Mike Ashley as their landlord - no thank you.
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Post by TaiwanGas on May 20, 2023 0:33:55 GMT
Barton is 40 years old, he has been a League Manager for around 5 years. If as you say BG your 10% represents those 5 years then, then the other 90% to complete his career will see him 85 years a Manager, methinks it’s more like 20-30% into his career, putting some thought into it. At any rate, he is no longer, or should be considered a Learner. I do wonder how many professions in this fast paced World where after 4-5 years you are still considered with ‘L’ plates?. I was measuring his time in management against the timespan for managers employed - his age doesn't alter the % of time he has had in management compared to those who have completed their career. If I went to University now, it would take me 3 years to gain a degree, the same as somebody who is a third of my age - the fact that they will then have a longer career span doesn't mean that there will be a differential in the time we both take to gain the relevant knowledge. (Ok, apart from the fact that I'm an old fart with brain fog!) I didn't mention L plates, I said that he is still on the learning curve. If I employed somebody for a role with many different facets, in a fast changing, competitive environment, I would be horrified if they thought they knew everything there was to know within 4 years, they wouldn't be very successful at helping the company to move forward. You say that now about timespan, but your reply of 10% was to Mrs V Smegma’s post that Barton has managed 250+ games, which you felt represented 10% of his Management career to date if he is in it for the long haul. Anyway, I reworked based on the longhaul theory of 60 ish games per season and still have Barton as a 77.5 year old Manager and that’s being kind, and that is with continuous employment as well, ha ha. BTW, my L Plate quip was not directed at you, as my reply to you also included Mrs V Smegma’s post which mentions the L Plate.
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2023 4:44:36 GMT
"I didn't mention L plates, I said that he is still on the learning curve. If I employed somebody for a role with many different facets, in a fast changing, competitive environment, I would be horrified if they thought they knew everything there was to know within 4 years, they wouldn't be very successful at helping the company to move forward." Perhaps, but taking your analogy this would definitely happen. "Barton, come into my office. Right, now look, we have given you a ton of leeway in the two and a half years you have been here. However,we are very disappointed with the dreadful end to last season and we all look forward to some genuine progress next season, but please bear this in mind. We are very tired of your public outbursts on referees, on other managers and clubs and players. Your discipline in dealing with decisions you disagree with leaves a lot to be desired and puts the club in a bad light. Please, no, we insist that you improve your behaviour. Can we remind you that as an employed manager you have achieved relatively little in your managerial career to date so we insist you focus on achieving next season's objectives, objectives that we pay you to achieve, cut out the media nonsense and understand that whilst you may have a high opinion of yourself there are many that do not share this opinion. Thank you" It would not definitely happen - it's a fantasy conversation, which your imagination has conjured up. Based upon your analogy
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2023 4:46:24 GMT
How many of the clubs you chose to highlight were promoted, made the playoffs or finished above us in the final league table?
From this list - All of them - As you well know. Which kind of proves its a cost effective and decent way to challenge for the play offs, (or in Argyles case - win the league) In fact, unless you are loaded (Ipswich, Sheff wed) it may be the only realistic way.
But that doesnt fit the narrative of some, as we well know
Ok, so that begs the question why was there such a difference in outcomes if the use of the loan market was equal.....
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Post by bloogas on May 20, 2023 8:13:03 GMT
The explanation of how it works is good management of resources. In 2017/18 Coventry achieved promotion from League 2 to League 1 with a total spend of £ 7.6 million In 2021/22 Rovers achieved promotion from League 2 to League 1 with a total spend of £ 10.7 million In 2018/19, their first season back in League 1, Coventry achieved 8th place with a total spend of £ 8.5 million. In 2022/23, our first season back in League 1, Rovers achieved 17th place with a total spend in excess of £ 11 million. In 2019/20 Coventry were champions of League 1 with a total spend of £ 10.3 million. We are already spending over £ 11 million but JB says we need to spend more. We are completely mismanaging our resources. Which makes the constant and continual bigging up of WAQ/JB/Gorringe quite sad. Not as sad as some people who constantly slag the club off, don’t attend matches , don’t put a penny into the club but then have the audacity to criticise how the club is run. My great regret in what is left of my life is that I am very unlikely to meet face to face, in person, any of these worthy people you refer to.
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