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Post by oldie on May 18, 2023 16:52:26 GMT
Do we really need playground labels, such as "Fanboy", "Messiah", "Cult" etc? I consider that people will be "pro" or "anti" or somewhere in between the two - no reason to take it further. I don't find it "acceptable", however, having watched all of our games, unfortunately it is understandable - the standard of officials is poor. Referees need to be more accountable for their decisions, no reason why they can't watch a replay of a controversial incident with the managers after the game. If managers knew that there was going to be an opportunity for discussion, and clarification, it would cut out the need to speak to the officials prior to this happening, and Mr Barton is certainly not alone in approaching officials after a game. If a club bothers to contact the referees' association, the incident is reviewed, and they receive an apology, if appropriate. I am sure there would be more respect for referees if they were open to admitting if they got something wrong in "real time", and they don't have the benefit of watching an instant replay which managers are able to do in the dugout. Right gotcha. I'll use 'pro' and 'anti' in future so as not to cause offence. As for "not acceptable", but "understandable". No. No. No. No. I watch a lot of grass roots football and see many games ruined by foul mouthed, aggressive, abusive managers. These thugs take their lead from managers higher up the pyramid. Managers have a responsibility to behave. To lead. To set an example. Klopp critisizes the officials and gets fined and banned. Good. Bigger fine, longer ban preferably. Officials DO THEIR BEST. Without officials there is no game. Pea brains need to get this into their thick skulls. Luckily the latest bout of media negativity towards Bristol Rovers has been largely over-shadowed by the Ivan Toney gambling story. At least Barton has never been embroiled in any betting... oh, hang on... Spot on Epping
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Post by oldie on May 18, 2023 16:56:21 GMT
When DC took us down the fans put up banners etc,nothing like this happened to JB,marmite manager I don’t like marmite and don’t like some of the things JB says or does but I’ll back him and there’s never a dull moment with him UTG There’s definitely a feeling since JB has been our boss that for all the scrapes he gets in , he will be prove successful, even Holloway when giving his talk at the recent Tote end reunion night said get behind Joey has he really gets this club. I don’t feel anyone can argue that there’s a much better feel about the place on matchdays, weather that’s the introduction of the fanzone or other things & it’s also encouraging to see so many more families & youngsters at home matches over the last couple of seasons. I quite understand people not liking JB, but all I would say is, forget the man, support the team & get down the Mem you might actually enjoy it. I agree about the matchday experience now. It's excellent. When we lose at home or battle for a 0-0 draw with barely a shot on target I walk away not feeling that was a waste of time, but that was actually a good day out, worth the drive down from the depths of the Forest of Dean
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Post by keygas on May 18, 2023 17:02:18 GMT
So JB is abit of a lad more than some. So what. Big deal. I think his football nous totally outweighs things like eg cussing a ref. The football nous which has led to us finishing 17th this season? JB talks a good game but so far he's not really delivered as far as Rovers are concerned. So you don’t give him any credit for being able to get a player of Elliot Anderson ability to the club, orchestrating a last match 7-0 victory & getting us promoted back to league 1, strange.
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Post by baselswh on May 18, 2023 17:02:52 GMT
So JB is abit of a lad more than some. So what. Big deal. I think his football nous totally outweighs things like eg cussing a ref. The football nous which has led to us finishing 17th this season? JB talks a good game but so far he's not really delivered as far as Rovers are concerned. Have you read JBs review of what needs to improve Droitwich? He'll be searching for particular players to make these improvements . I think he knows more or less exactly what he wants. Most managers will have a plan,but some just can't get it together. JB has a plan and knows how to implement it. Things learnt this season is part of our foundations for next season.
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Post by oldie on May 18, 2023 17:06:57 GMT
The football nous which has led to us finishing 17th this season? JB talks a good game but so far he's not really delivered as far as Rovers are concerned. Have you read JBs review of what needs to improve Droitwich? He'll be searching for particular players to make these improvements . I think he knows more or less exactly what he wants. Most managers will have a plan,but some just can't get it together. JB has a plan and knows how to implement it. Things learnt this season is part of our foundations for next season. He said the same thing last summer and again in January 🤔
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Post by laughinggas on May 18, 2023 17:07:29 GMT
The football nous which has led to us finishing 17th this season? JB talks a good game but so far he's not really delivered as far as Rovers are concerned. So you don’t give him any credit for being able to get a player of Elliot Anderson ability to the club, orchestrating a last match 7-0 victory & getting us promoted back to league 1, strange. He did not scout or get Anderson more like he was offered him JB said when he first saw him train he went wow! He then made sure we had a formation he could thrive in, so credit for that. But he was lucky to get him. Also not sure how it would have worked with his favourite 3 at the back.
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Post by laughinggas on May 18, 2023 17:11:28 GMT
Have you read JBs review of what needs to improve Droitwich? He'll be searching for particular players to make these improvements . I think he knows more or less exactly what he wants. Most managers will have a plan,but some just can't get it together. JB has a plan and knows how to implement it. Things learnt this season is part of our foundations for next season. He said the same thing last summer and again in January 🤔 We will need players we can make a profit on. Collins fits that as well as Hoole and Jed Ward. If he goes for a lot of experience then those opportunities will dry up. Is that a good model? On a different note has he bought any youngsters through? Jed Ward probably, Hoole was played by previous managers. We need to see youngsters coming through, will JB provide this?
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Post by baselswh on May 18, 2023 17:12:06 GMT
Have you read JBs review of what needs to improve Droitwich? He'll be searching for particular players to make these improvements . I think he knows more or less exactly what he wants. Most managers will have a plan,but some just can't get it together. JB has a plan and knows how to implement it. Things learnt this season is part of our foundations for next season. He said the same thing last summer and again in January 🤔 He's admitted we did'nt have the best January Window.Good players were signed,but basically perhaps too inexperienced. Did'nt hit the ground running. A lesson learnt. More experienced players next time.
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Post by oldie on May 18, 2023 17:12:45 GMT
He said the same thing last summer and again in January 🤔 We will need players we can make a profit on. Collins fits that as well as Hoole and Jed Ward. If he goes for a lot of experience then those opportunities will dry up. Is that a good model? On a different note has he bought any youngsters through? Jed Ward probably, Hoole was played by previous managers. We need to see youngsters coming through, will JB provide this? I don't see how he can with the current structure of the club.
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Post by laughinggas on May 18, 2023 17:13:48 GMT
We will need players we can make a profit on. Collins fits that as well as Hoole and Jed Ward. If he goes for a lot of experience then those opportunities will dry up. Is that a good model? On a different note has he bought any youngsters through? Jed Ward probably, Hoole was played by previous managers. We need to see youngsters coming through, will JB provide this? I don't see how he can with the current structure of the club. Is Bas happy with that?
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Post by oldie on May 18, 2023 17:17:35 GMT
I don't see how he can with the current structure of the club. Is Bas happy with that? He can speak for himself, but I suspect you realise that Basel worships at the alter of Mr Barton.
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Post by baselswh on May 18, 2023 17:29:31 GMT
I don't see how he can with the current structure of the club. Is Bas happy with that? Collins cost zero.He's now worth a few Bob. Hoole,Gordon. Rovers always have a few good uns to flog.I'm not concerned about this in the slightest.
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Post by baselswh on May 18, 2023 17:35:25 GMT
He can speak for himself, but I suspect you realise that Basel worships at the alter of Mr Barton. I merely lean on my football experience,listen to the manager and go from there. He's good.An interesting character. Hopelessly obsessed with the game.Determined to succeed.Etc etc...
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 18, 2023 17:47:05 GMT
So JB is abit of a lad more than some. So what. Big deal. I think his football nous totally outweighs things like eg cussing a ref. The football nous which has led to us finishing 17th this season? JB talks a good game but so far he's not really delivered as far as Rovers are concerned. Let’s hope that he has learned from his poorer decisions and experiments. Seems to me that the Belshaw decision is what cost us most points and maybe even a chance of a top 10 finish
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Post by Cheshiregas on May 18, 2023 18:05:50 GMT
So JB is abit of a lad more than some. So what. Big deal. I think his football nous totally outweighs things like eg cussing a ref. So you are happy that being 'a bit of a lad' it's OK for him to verbally abuse officials in the tunnel and in their own changing room which should be sacrosanct unless he is invited in there. I really don't understand why JB gets a pass on these things. The players will follow the behaviour of the manager. Hairdryer and habitual moaner Ferguson encouraged players to bully refs and was happy for Keane to break a leg and destroy the career of a fellow player. Let's hope our players don't follow suit.
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Post by keygas on May 18, 2023 18:15:34 GMT
So JB is abit of a lad more than some. So what. Big deal. I think his football nous totally outweighs things like eg cussing a ref. So you are happy that being 'a bit of a lad' it's OK for him to verbally abuse officials in the tunnel and in their own changing room which should be sacrosanct unless he is invited in there. I really don't understand why JB gets a pass on these things. The players will follow the behaviour of the manager. Hairdryer and habitual moaner Ferguson encouraged players to bully refs and was happy for Keane to break a leg and destroy the career of a fellow player. Let's hope our players don't follow suit. I see Juergen Klopp has just been given a 2 match ban for referee comments, I take it fans on Liverpool forum’s are in meltdown saying Klopp not fit to be their manager.
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Post by baselswh on May 18, 2023 18:19:02 GMT
So JB is abit of a lad more than some. So what. Big deal. I think his football nous totally outweighs things like eg cussing a ref. So you are happy that being 'a bit of a lad' it's OK for him to verbally abuse officials in the tunnel and in their own changing room which should be sacrosanct unless he is invited in there. I really don't understand why JB gets a pass on these things. The players will follow the behaviour of the manager. Hairdryer and habitual moaner Ferguson encouraged players to bully refs and was happy for Keane to break a leg and destroy the career of a fellow player. Let's hope our players don't follow suit. He has'nt got a "pass" though,has he. Banned 3 games,fined £3000.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 18, 2023 18:21:32 GMT
He can speak for himself, but I suspect you realise that Basel worships at the alter of Mr Barton. I merely lean on my football experience,listen to the manager and go from there. He's good.An interesting character. Hopelessly obsessed with the game.Determined to succeed.Etc etc... I was like that with Sophia Loren but it didn’t mean i would have her or have any success in getting close 😂
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Post by Cheshiregas on May 18, 2023 18:22:56 GMT
So you are happy that being 'a bit of a lad' it's OK for him to verbally abuse officials in the tunnel and in their own changing room which should be sacrosanct unless he is invited in there. I really don't understand why JB gets a pass on these things. The players will follow the behaviour of the manager. Hairdryer and habitual moaner Ferguson encouraged players to bully refs and was happy for Keane to break a leg and destroy the career of a fellow player. Let's hope our players don't follow suit. He has'nt got a "pass" though,has he. Banned 3 games,fined £3000. With a lot of our supporters he has by the sound of it apparently! Ferguson never learnt, changed or mellow. I don't expect our manager to either.
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Post by baselswh on May 18, 2023 18:30:31 GMT
He has'nt got a "pass" though,has he. Banned 3 games,fined £3000. With a lot of our supporters he has by the sound of it apparently! Ferguson never learnt, changed or mellow. I don't expect our manager to either. Not everyone sees the game the same way,our fanbase is no exception. I think Joe ought to try and not to cuss officials and generally speaking he succeeds. 2 league games and 1 cup game ban. That's it.
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