kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 18, 2023 11:02:15 GMT
Shameful behaviour from the manager. Some are unconcerned by it. What has become of Bristol Rovers FC? I refer my learned colleagues to the opening comment of this thread. 173 pages ago. It's the translation by so many of shocking, aggressive behaviour both verbal and actual, as "Passion" I mean, really? Les, if you do not mind me calling you by your Christian name ? I am genuinely shocked and also a but p155ed off that so many are rushing to defend such behaviour. I know i have said it before but there really is no difference to our fans and the teds, not now
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 18, 2023 11:03:41 GMT
It's the translation by so many of shocking, aggressive behaviour both verbal and actual, as "Passion" I mean, really? So am I right in thinking that Barton's behaviour now seems to be "acceptable" by a majority Gasheads? Serious question to the Barton Fanboys. I will field that, by reading both places, it would seem that the majority of posters seem to think it acceptable and, as oldie says, are calling it showing passion
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Post by oldie on May 18, 2023 11:20:38 GMT
It's the translation by so many of shocking, aggressive behaviour both verbal and actual, as "Passion" I mean, really? So am I right in thinking that Barton's behaviour now seems to be "acceptable" by a majority Gasheads? Serious question to the Barton Fanboys. To me, it appears so Epping. Will be interested to read responses to your very valid question.
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Post by oldie on May 18, 2023 11:22:05 GMT
It's the translation by so many of shocking, aggressive behaviour both verbal and actual, as "Passion" I mean, really? Les, if you do not mind me calling you by your Christian name ? I am genuinely shocked and also a but p155ed off that so many are rushing to defend such behaviour. I know i have said it before but there really is no difference to our fans and the teds, not now Some call me Les, however I have heard other names...🤫😂😂😂 Seriously though, I share your feelings
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Post by Angas on May 18, 2023 12:24:23 GMT
My guess would be the red card resulted from the "abusive, insulting and improper words to a match official ... after the game". And considering this is Barton, not odd at all. Just the norm. But that doesn't tie in with this: View AttachmentIt's like they're making it up. To me, it ties in exactly. I don't quite get what you're seeing differently?
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Post by Bamber Gashead on May 18, 2023 12:45:53 GMT
But that doesn't tie in with this: View AttachmentIt's like they're making it up. To me, it ties in exactly. I don't quite get what you're seeing differently? I'm not explaining it well and it may just be semantics, but the timing and positioning of events does not quite add up. Plus I understand there is BS on Bristol Live saying he was sent off after 85 mins. We know he was booked after 87 mins following the foul on Azza. We know he was still legitimately pitch side at the final whistle as he shook hands with Darren Moore etc. One of our coaching staff was then booked in the middle of the pitch for saying something to the ref while walking off. So when was Barton sent off? Was it on the pitch, in which case did anyone see it, as iFollow didn't? Surely someone would have said by now? Or was it in the tunnel where it is reported there was an altercation, but, and here is the point I am trying to make, the wording implies he had already been sent off at that point. That is what I don't get.
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Post by Angas on May 18, 2023 13:03:32 GMT
Ah right. It's the 'sent off' that you're querying. I'm with you now. Obviously I can't answer whether that happened, or at what point it might have done. I was focusing on the reason for the ban 'abusive, improper and insulting words ...'.
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Post by TaiwanGas on May 18, 2023 13:46:13 GMT
It's the translation by so many of shocking, aggressive behaviour both verbal and actual, as "Passion" I mean, really? So am I right in thinking that Barton's behaviour now seems to be "acceptable" by a majority Gasheads? Serious question to the Barton Fanboys. Not acceptable, but expected, from one of ‘those who see him as a bully’.
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Post by Bath Gas on May 18, 2023 14:08:42 GMT
It's the translation by so many of shocking, aggressive behaviour both verbal and actual, as "Passion" I mean, really? So am I right in thinking that Barton's behaviour now seems to be "acceptable" by a majority Gasheads? Serious question to the Barton Fanboys. Do we really need playground labels, such as "Fanboy", "Messiah", "Cult" etc? I consider that people will be "pro" or "anti" or somewhere in between the two - no reason to take it further. I don't find it "acceptable", however, having watched all of our games, unfortunately it is understandable - the standard of officials is poor. Referees need to be more accountable for their decisions, no reason why they can't watch a replay of a controversial incident with the managers after the game. If managers knew that there was going to be an opportunity for discussion, and clarification, it would cut out the need to speak to the officials prior to this happening, and Mr Barton is certainly not alone in approaching officials after a game. If a club bothers to contact the referees' association, the incident is reviewed, and they receive an apology, if appropriate. I am sure there would be more respect for referees if they were open to admitting if they got something wrong in "real time", and they don't have the benefit of watching an instant replay which managers are able to do in the dugout.
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Post by oldie on May 18, 2023 14:24:14 GMT
So am I right in thinking that Barton's behaviour now seems to be "acceptable" by a majority Gasheads? Serious question to the Barton Fanboys. Do we really need playground labels, such as "Fanboy", "Messiah", "Cult" etc? I consider that people will be "pro" or "anti" or somewhere in between the two - no reason to take it further. I don't find it "acceptable", however, having watched all of our games, unfortunately it is understandable - the standard of officials is poor. Referees need to be more accountable for their decisions, no reason why they can't watch a replay of a controversial incident with the managers after the game. If managers knew that there was going to be an opportunity for discussion, and clarification, it would cut out the need to speak to the officials prior to this happening, and Mr Barton is certainly not alone in approaching officials after a game. If a club bothers to contact the referees' association, the incident is reviewed, and they receive an apology, if appropriate. I am sure there would be more respect for referees if they were open to admitting if they got something wrong in "real time", and they don't have the benefit of watching an instant replay which managers are able to do in the dugout. But where does it stop? What if the players think it's an absolutely "wrong" decision? Is it understandable then if they surround the referee shouting abusive language? By your reasoning that would be understandable. But here is the rub...that is exactly what happens when the leadership at the club, any club, does exactly that. Klopp has come in for a load of flak recently for his behaviour and rightly so. He however doesn't, as far as I know, have any of the history of violent behaviour that trails Barton, which quite naturally makes officials, match day and further up the food chain, wary of him. There is no excuse for it from anyone let alone well paid professionals.
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Post by baselswh on May 18, 2023 14:50:39 GMT
The Post reckon it'll cover two 3rd tier games and one Cup game.As suggested yesterday.
You never know,Rovers might get some luck in the appeal.
Wael knew all about Joe on hiring him,warts an all.
3 games.
We'll survive.
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Post by Gasmad on May 18, 2023 15:00:35 GMT
When DC took us down the fans put up banners etc,nothing like this happened to JB,marmite manager I don’t like marmite and don’t like some of the things JB says or does but I’ll back him and there’s never a dull moment with him UTG
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Post by Bath Gas on May 18, 2023 15:36:59 GMT
Do we really need playground labels, such as "Fanboy", "Messiah", "Cult" etc? I consider that people will be "pro" or "anti" or somewhere in between the two - no reason to take it further. I don't find it "acceptable", however, having watched all of our games, unfortunately it is understandable - the standard of officials is poor. Referees need to be more accountable for their decisions, no reason why they can't watch a replay of a controversial incident with the managers after the game. If managers knew that there was going to be an opportunity for discussion, and clarification, it would cut out the need to speak to the officials prior to this happening, and Mr Barton is certainly not alone in approaching officials after a game. If a club bothers to contact the referees' association, the incident is reviewed, and they receive an apology, if appropriate. I am sure there would be more respect for referees if they were open to admitting if they got something wrong in "real time", and they don't have the benefit of watching an instant replay which managers are able to do in the dugout. But where does it stop? What if the players think it's an absolutely "wrong" decision? Is it understandable then if they surround the referee shouting abusive language?By your reasoning that would be understandable. But here is the rub...that is exactly what happens when the leadership at the club, any club, does exactly that. Klopp has come in for a load of flak recently for his behaviour and rightly so. He however doesn't, as far as I know, have any of the history of violent behaviour that trails Barton, which quite naturally makes officials, match day and further up the food chain, wary of him. There is no excuse for it from anyone let alone well paid professionals. That already happens frequently, just watch a few televised matches - must be a lot of clubs out there with leaders who do not set a good example. If referees are wary of a player, or club official, then they shouldn't be doing the job - they are paid to make impartial decisions on an individual match by match basis, without prejudice. As for the other people who are so called wary of Barton - how far up the food chain does it go, has Charles barricaded himself in the Tower yet
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Post by swissgas on May 18, 2023 15:47:34 GMT
I looked at this some time ago and didn't buy into the notion that Graham Coughlan was unwanted because of his style of football. I was told that Tony Pulis was pressing Wael to bring in Ben Garner and completely sold him on the player development idea which required GC to be eased out. In the first 11 games of 2018/19 under DC average attendances were 8100. In the remaining 12 games under GC the average actually rose by 5% to 8500, with the last three games averaging 8900, so nobody was complaining about the style of football then. But in 2019/20 attendances fell right from the start which doesn't fit with the theory that GC's football put people off. If they had started at 2018/19 levels and then fallen away there might have been some credibility to it but that didn't happen. Gasheads voted with their feet BEFORE having the chance to say we don't like this type of football so we're staying away. The first ten games of 2018/19 (Accrington, Portsmouth, Southend, Plymouth, Coventry, Walsall, Oxford, Wimbledon, Scunthorpe, & Gillingham) averaged 8176. But the first ten games of 2019/20 (Wycombe, Tranmere, Oxford, Accrington, Gillingham, Rotherham, MK Dons, Bolton, Portsmouth & Southend)) averaged 7310 which is a 10% reduction. I don't know whether it was the quality of the opposition or disillusionment over summer transfer activity but something happened to cause a reduction in attendances before Graham Coughlan had a chance to show what his team could do in the new season. A striking example of this is the opening day attendance which in 2018/19 against Accrington was 8683 but in 2019/20 against Wycombe had dropped by 1000 to 7668. Out of interest how many games did you watch whilst GC was our manager? I, unfortunately, watched most of the home games and they were mostly shockers where we seemed to spend most of the games defending for our lives before JCH popped up with a wonder goal. As far as gates dropping the loss of DC and the prospects of a new stadium fading eroded most of the feel good factor built up by the Al~Qadi's arrival followed by the promotion. I watched some games on ifollow but none live. The gates actually went up after DC left and GC took over but I think shoveler is probably right when he says the appointment was considered uninspiring and cheap. To many fans JB is inspiring but he's certainly not cheap.
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Post by eppinggas on May 18, 2023 16:00:40 GMT
So am I right in thinking that Barton's behaviour now seems to be "acceptable" by a majority Gasheads? Serious question to the Barton Fanboys. Do we really need playground labels, such as "Fanboy", "Messiah", "Cult" etc? I consider that people will be "pro" or "anti" or somewhere in between the two - no reason to take it further. I don't find it "acceptable", however, having watched all of our games, unfortunately it is understandable - the standard of officials is poor. Referees need to be more accountable for their decisions, no reason why they can't watch a replay of a controversial incident with the managers after the game. If managers knew that there was going to be an opportunity for discussion, and clarification, it would cut out the need to speak to the officials prior to this happening, and Mr Barton is certainly not alone in approaching officials after a game. If a club bothers to contact the referees' association, the incident is reviewed, and they receive an apology, if appropriate. I am sure there would be more respect for referees if they were open to admitting if they got something wrong in "real time", and they don't have the benefit of watching an instant replay which managers are able to do in the dugout. Right gotcha. I'll use 'pro' and 'anti' in future so as not to cause offence. As for "not acceptable", but "understandable". No. No. No. No. I watch a lot of grass roots football and see many games ruined by foul mouthed, aggressive, abusive managers. These thugs take their lead from managers higher up the pyramid. Managers have a responsibility to behave. To lead. To set an example. Klopp critisizes the officials and gets fined and banned. Good. Bigger fine, longer ban preferably. Officials DO THEIR BEST. Without officials there is no game. Pea brains need to get this into their thick skulls. Luckily the latest bout of media negativity towards Bristol Rovers has been largely over-shadowed by the Ivan Toney gambling story. At least Barton has never been embroiled in any betting... oh, hang on...
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Post by Bamber Gashead on May 18, 2023 16:12:34 GMT
Ah right. It's the 'sent off' that you're querying. I'm with you now. Obviously I can't answer whether that happened, or at what point it might have done. I was focusing on the reason for the ban 'abusive, improper and insulting words ...'. As much as I didn't want Barton here as manager it is way these incidents are reported by the media and the FA that gets my goat when they can't get the basic facts straight. I wouldn't be surprised if the appeal succeeds because of it, but at what cost to our good name and reputation... again!
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Post by keygas on May 18, 2023 16:25:13 GMT
When DC took us down the fans put up banners etc,nothing like this happened to JB,marmite manager I don’t like marmite and don’t like some of the things JB says or does but I’ll back him and there’s never a dull moment with him UTG There’s definitely a feeling since JB has been our boss that for all the scrapes he gets in , he will be prove successful, even Holloway when giving his talk at the recent Tote end reunion night said get behind Joey has he really gets this club. I don’t feel anyone can argue that there’s a much better feel about the place on matchdays, weather that’s the introduction of the fanzone or other things & it’s also encouraging to see so many more families & youngsters at home matches over the last couple of seasons. I quite understand people not liking JB, but all I would say is, forget the man, support the team & get down the Mem you might actually enjoy it.
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Post by swissgas on May 18, 2023 16:40:57 GMT
We have laid the foundations for a good go in the 3rd tier next time As for the rest,so what? Your points are not worrying in the slightest,no matter how hard you and the amateur dramatists around here try. All normal fc stuff. Rovers are making progress. Droitwichs post is spot on. What foundations? You have clearly been smoking cricket balls again. The spine of the team is likely to be entirely different next season - either because we have sold our prize asset(s), the players were on loan and not ours, they are crocked or may decide they can't stomach the needless tinkering of a deluded lunatic with a hair trigger temper who is only ever microns away from his next act of thuggery. The only foundation we have is that we are still a L1 club because sufficient of our competitors were even worse than us (and all of them beat us at least once). Form normally carries over into the following season too. The way we ended this one doesn't say that we'll have a good go next time around I'm also struggling with the perception of foundations. Team wise we have Collins and Hoole definitely plus Connolly and Gordon possibly but otherwise I can't see any building for the future. And the core of the backroom staff, Eddy Jennings, Andy Mangan, Danny Ventre, Tom Short, Greg Short, James Aitken and Chris Spendlove all have such close links to JB that they are likely to move on if he goes. The only bright spot could be Glenn Whelan who might be a future managerial candidate but would need a strong support structure around him.
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Post by baselswh on May 18, 2023 16:44:26 GMT
So JB is abit of a lad more than some. So what. Big deal.
I think his football nous totally outweighs things like eg cussing a ref.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 18, 2023 16:51:29 GMT
So JB is abit of a lad more than some. So what. Big deal. I think his football nous totally outweighs things like eg cussing a ref. The football nous which has led to us finishing 17th this season? JB talks a good game but so far he's not really delivered as far as Rovers are concerned.
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