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Post by Bath Gas on May 17, 2023 18:44:03 GMT
Joey Barton: Bristol Rovers manager banned for first three games next season..ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/0677/production/_129755610_shutterstock_editorial_13876175du.jpgBristol Rovers manager Joey Barton has been given a three-match ground ban for misconduct during the team's defeat by Sheffield Wednesday. Barton was shown a red card following the 2-1 loss on 18 April. He admitted that he used abusive, insulting and improper words to a match official in the tunnel and officials' changing room after the game. The 40-year-old will miss the first three games of Rovers' 2023-24 campaign and has also been fined £3,000. BBC Radio Bristol understand that Bristol Rovers will be appealing the decision. Barton was critical of the referees in the aftermath of the match, particularly after John Marquis had a goal ruled out for being offside. "You rely on the officials to get major decisions right and unfortunately tonight the linesman's had a guess as they do at this level," he told BBC Radio Bristol. "I was always worried when I seen the referee, every time I get him he does something barmy, that ref, not really putting that on his toes. His official, the linesman, has got one job to do. It's disappointing when they guess, sometimes it goes your way, sometimes it doesn't." Well that's the first 3 games excuses in. Is there a clause in his contract about bringing the club into disrepute? Surely, those who see him as a bully, with no man management skills should be looking forward to 3 good results, which won't need excuses.
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Post by laughinggas on May 17, 2023 19:01:01 GMT
Is that three games when the refs won't be against us?
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2023 19:02:49 GMT
Well that's the first 3 games excuses in. Is there a clause in his contract about bringing the club into disrepute? Probably not knowing how we do things as a club, you do wonder if life would be far easier for Wael if he just had DC back as manager. Indeed. But I would imagine DC has moved on.
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2023 19:04:17 GMT
Well that's the first 3 games excuses in. Is there a clause in his contract about bringing the club into disrepute? Surely, those who see him as a bully, with no man management skills should be looking forward to 3 good results, which won't need excuses. Personally I would start with us scoring a few goals.
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Post by baselswh on May 17, 2023 19:10:00 GMT
Maybe two 3rd tier games,one League Cup?
That can be handled quite comfortably.
Sorry to disapoint those hoping Rovers lose games.
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Post by swissgas on May 17, 2023 19:13:08 GMT
This "but it's hard to understand why they get so ate up about this opinion being expressed unless the tangible evidence from the financial accounts and the league table position is now causing doubts about the direction in which JB is taking us. Throughout his career he's been very consistent in talking himself up and then letting his backers down. It happened again at Fleetwood Town and I can't see any reason to believe the trend will be reversed at Rovers. " I suspect you may have identified the nerve there Swiss🤔 Who knew that Swiss was a Neurosurgeon as well as a top notch Accountant! A certain Mr Mourinho has always been good at talking himself up, and doesn't always live up to his own selp promotion. He's the bloke who let Salah and De Bruyne go, and, of course, a certain Mr Clough was also known for his modesty, even before he had success. Whilst I'm not expecting Barton to ever reach those giddy heights, I think that it's too early in his career to hang a label on him. That's only a hobby BG
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Post by swissgas on May 17, 2023 19:42:53 GMT
If you are talking about crimes, let us look at the evidence... Where were we when Coughlan left? Where are we now? What % did the attendances increase when we were being treated to Coughlan ball? I looked at this some time ago and didn't buy into the notion that Graham Coughlan was unwanted because of his style of football. I was told that Tony Pulis was pressing Wael to bring in Ben Garner and completely sold him on the player development idea which required GC to be eased out. In the first 11 games of 2018/19 under DC average attendances were 8100. In the remaining 12 games under GC the average actually rose by 5% to 8500, with the last three games averaging 8900, so nobody was complaining about the style of football then. But in 2019/20 attendances fell right from the start which doesn't fit with the theory that GC's football put people off. If they had started at 2018/19 levels and then fallen away there might have been some credibility to it but that didn't happen. Gasheads voted with their feet BEFORE having the chance to say we don't like this type of football so we're staying away. The first ten games of 2018/19 (Accrington, Portsmouth, Southend, Plymouth, Coventry, Walsall, Oxford, Wimbledon, Scunthorpe, & Gillingham) averaged 8176. But the first ten games of 2019/20 (Wycombe, Tranmere, Oxford, Accrington, Gillingham, Rotherham, MK Dons, Bolton, Portsmouth & Southend)) averaged 7310 which is a 10% reduction. I don't know whether it was the quality of the opposition or disillusionment over summer transfer activity but something happened to cause a reduction in attendances before Graham Coughlan had a chance to show what his team could do in the new season. A striking example of this is the opening day attendance which in 2018/19 against Accrington was 8683 but in 2019/20 against Wycombe had dropped by 1000 to 7668.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 17, 2023 20:08:39 GMT
What % did the attendances increase when we were being treated to Coughlan ball? I looked at this some time ago and didn't buy into the notion that Graham Coughlan was unwanted because of his style of football. I was told that Tony Pulis was pressing Wael to bring in Ben Garner and completely sold him on the player development idea which required GC to be eased out. In the first 11 games of 2018/19 under DC average attendances were 8100. In the remaining 12 games under GC the average actually rose by 5% to 8500, with the last three games averaging 8900, so nobody was complaining about the style of football then. But in 2019/20 attendances fell right from the start which doesn't fit with the theory that GC's football put people off. If they had started at 2018/19 levels and then fallen away there might have been some credibility to it but that didn't happen. Gasheads voted with their feet BEFORE having the chance to say we don't like this type of football so we're staying away. The first ten games of 2018/19 (Accrington, Portsmouth, Southend, Plymouth, Coventry, Walsall, Oxford, Wimbledon, Scunthorpe, & Gillingham) averaged 8176. But the first ten games of 2019/20 (Wycombe, Tranmere, Oxford, Accrington, Gillingham, Rotherham, MK Dons, Bolton, Portsmouth & Southend)) averaged 7310 which is a 10% reduction. I don't know whether it was the quality of the opposition or disillusionment over summer transfer activity but something happened to cause a reduction in attendances before Graham Coughlan had a chance to show what his team could do in the new season. A striking example of this is the opening day attendance which in 2018/19 against Accrington was 8683 but in 2019/20 against Wycombe had dropped by 1000 to 7668. Out of interest how many games did you watch whilst GC was our manager? I, unfortunately, watched most of the home games and they were mostly shockers where we seemed to spend most of the games defending for our lives before JCH popped up with a wonder goal. As far as gates dropping the loss of DC and the prospects of a new stadium fading eroded most of the feel good factor built up by the Al~Qadi's arrival followed by the promotion.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 20:35:55 GMT
Coughlan's appointment was greeted by many as uninspiring and cheap, partially as it occurred by internal promotion. I am again a fan of internal promotion, and would have us recruit coaches with the potential to replace the manager come the right time, which to a degree applies to DC and GC. But after surviving in the third division, starting a new season with Coughlan seemed widely unpopular. He didn't help with the Chris Lines thing. But I was wrong about Coughlan, amd we should have been grateful.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on May 17, 2023 21:39:54 GMT
And now he has a three game stadium ban. Won't be able to the stand he created full first week. Joey Barton: Bristol Rovers manager banned for first three games next season..ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/0677/production/_129755610_shutterstock_editorial_13876175du.jpgBristol Rovers manager Joey Barton has been given a three-match ground ban for misconduct during the team's defeat by Sheffield Wednesday. Barton was shown a red card following the 2-1 loss on 18 April. He admitted that he used abusive, insulting and improper words to a match official in the tunnel and officials' changing room after the game. The 40-year-old will miss the first three games of Rovers' 2023-24 campaign and has also been fined £3,000. BBC Radio Bristol understand that Bristol Rovers will be appealing the decision. Barton was critical of the referees in the aftermath of the match, particularly after John Marquis had a goal ruled out for being offside. "You rely on the officials to get major decisions right and unfortunately tonight the linesman's had a guess as they do at this level," he told BBC Radio Bristol. "I was always worried when I seen the referee, every time I get him he does something barmy, that ref, not really putting that on his toes. His official, the linesman, has got one job to do. It's disappointing when they guess, sometimes it goes your way, sometimes it doesn't." I was at the game and remember Barton getting booked (on 87 minutes - just checked iFollow) so WTF happened after that? The red card must have been as they were walking off the pitch or in the tunnel as it certainly wasn't before then. Something very weird about all this, especially the timing of it as he had pretty much given up on the season by then anyway. Most odd.
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Post by Angas on May 17, 2023 21:49:44 GMT
My guess would be the red card resulted from the "abusive, insulting and improper words to a match official ... after the game". And considering this is Barton, not odd at all. Just the norm.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on May 17, 2023 21:59:20 GMT
My guess would be the red card resulted from the "abusive, insulting and improper words to a match official ... after the game". And considering this is Barton, not odd at all. Just the norm. But that doesn't tie in with this: It's like they're making it up.
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Post by baselswh on May 17, 2023 22:02:19 GMT
Coughlan's appointment was greeted by many as uninspiring and cheap, partially as it occurred by internal promotion. I am again a fan of internal promotion, and would have us recruit coaches with the potential to replace the manager come the right time, which to a degree applies to DC and GC. But after surviving in the third division, starting a new season with Coughlan seemed widely unpopular. He didn't help with the Chris Lines thing. But I was wrong about Coughlan, amd we should have been grateful. You were wrong ( fair play to admitting it ) and you're wrong about JB. GCs daughter got abuse from some,all caught up in the anti GC thing. All because it was'nt like MOTD football and they could'nt appreciate Rovers actually winning the midfield battle eg. 'It's for the best he ( GC) goes because it's unsustainable anyway' etc,was a typical comment to justify their criticisms at the time. As usual,it was f**k Rovers,my ego counts more.f**k supporting the man and let him get on with the job. Clueless. Zero understandingof team work. Edit. While I'm at it,the anti Lennie lot were hopelessly wrong too. Anyone here get the hattrick of Lennie,GC and JB?
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 17, 2023 22:26:19 GMT
After crimes against football Coughlan, PlayStation Garner and fashion Guru Tisdale it’s a relief that we got a real football nut in JB albeit he’s still a work in progress. And so what that he’s marmite , so were Clough and Mourinho if you got it, then you got it, after all, if Harry Rednapp thinks he can go all the way who am I to disagree. He’s still learning his trade , made some mistakes last season, but if he could mature into the manager he could be, and then drop us off in the Championship on his way to the top, then that will do nicely. UTG If you are talking about crimes, let us look at the evidence... Where were we when Coughlan left? Where are we now? Coughlan's only crime against football during his time with us was to turn us into a side that was incredibly difficult to beat. He simplified things for the players, not overthought things because he considered himself to be a tactical genius. The Ipswich away win is the most complete away performance I can remember in my 50+ years as a gashead. I include the cup game at Pride Park and numerous games against the s**theads. I wasn't at the 6-0 Madjeski romp. Even more remarkable since we spent a large part of the game with 10 men after Ollie Clarke's criminal red card, and had the likes of Menayese in the back 4.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 17, 2023 22:55:52 GMT
It's not his money. We finished 17th. Virtually no progress from the position when he started. The club burned over £3 million in cash last full year. There is a £700k plus unexplained loan on the balance sheet. A loan has been taken out in the secondary finance market to finance the new south Stand development. We only scored half a dozen times after Christmas (roughly) The squad is unbalanced, with to many long term injuries and loan players. Other than that all Rosey on the western front. lunatic We have laid the foundations for a good go in the 3rd tier next time As for the rest,so what? Your points are not worrying in the slightest,no matter how hard you and the amateur dramatists around here try. All normal fc stuff. Rovers are making progress. Droitwichs post is spot on. What foundations? You have clearly been smoking cricket balls again. The spine of the team is likely to be entirely different next season - either because we have sold our prize asset(s), the players were on loan and not ours, they are crocked or may decide they can't stomach the needless tinkering of a deluded lunatic with a hair trigger temper who is only ever microns away from his next act of thuggery. The only foundation we have is that we are still a L1 club because sufficient of our competitors were even worse than us (and all of them beat us at least once). Form normally carries over into the following season too. The way we ended this one doesn't say that we'll have a good go next time around
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Post by Bath Gas on May 17, 2023 23:48:58 GMT
My guess would be the red card resulted from the "abusive, insulting and improper words to a match official ... after the game". And considering this is Barton, not odd at all. Just the norm. If it was the norm, surely he'd get a red card every game?
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Post by eppinggas on May 18, 2023 9:24:49 GMT
Shameful behaviour from the manager. Some are unconcerned by it. What has become of Bristol Rovers FC? I refer my learned colleagues to the opening comment of this thread. 173 pages ago.
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Post by oldie on May 18, 2023 10:01:24 GMT
Shameful behaviour from the manager. Some are unconcerned by it. What has become of Bristol Rovers FC? I refer my learned colleagues to the opening comment of this thread. 173 pages ago. It's the translation by so many of shocking, aggressive behaviour both verbal and actual, as "Passion" I mean, really?
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Post by eppinggas on May 18, 2023 10:49:32 GMT
Shameful behaviour from the manager. Some are unconcerned by it. What has become of Bristol Rovers FC? I refer my learned colleagues to the opening comment of this thread. 173 pages ago. It's the translation by so many of shocking, aggressive behaviour both verbal and actual, as "Passion" I mean, really? So am I right in thinking that Barton's behaviour now seems to be "acceptable" by a majority Gasheads? Serious question to the Barton Fanboys.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 18, 2023 10:59:51 GMT
Shameful behaviour from the manager. Some are unconcerned by it. What has become of Bristol Rovers FC? I refer my learned colleagues to the opening comment of this thread. 173 pages ago. And many are already rushing to defend him, i also find it hard to believe that they are doing so and when Barton has said that, using basic terminology, he was out of order. If you question anythung he does then you’re placed in the anti Barton bunch, maybe that would make a good badge 😂 seriously though, the EFL tend to take these matters seriously and do not give out these bans without good reason.
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