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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 19:48:09 GMT
Alright then. Barton's got us from nineteeth to seventeeth and should be lauded as the Rovers Messiah. Barton Rovers is better than Bristol Rovers used to be. What we need is more celebrity and criminality. He only relegated us once, and he got us back to where he found us, and that was a miracle only he could have accomplished. We love you Barton, we do. We love you Barton, we do. We love you Barton, we do; oh, Barton we love you.
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Post by oldie on May 16, 2023 19:49:08 GMT
" They know what they are doing is wrong. And it's our job to remind them of it. Because when we don't continually remind them, people devolve into self-delusion." How apt. Now that sounds like self appraisal Pretty sure you can do better than that
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Post by oldie on May 16, 2023 19:50:38 GMT
Alright then. Barton's got us from nineteeth to seventeeth and should be lauded as the Rovers Messiah. Barton Rovers is better than Bristol Rovers used to be. What we need is more celebrity and criminality. He only relegated us once, and he got us back to where he found us, and that was a miracle only he could have accomplished. We love you Barton, we do. We love you Barton, we do. We love you Barton, we do; oh, Barton we love you. 😂😂😂
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Post by swissgas on May 16, 2023 19:51:21 GMT
It's not his money. We finished 17th. Virtually no progress from the position when he started. The club burned over £3 million in cash last full year. There is a £700k plus unexplained loan on the balance sheet. A loan has been taken out in the secondary finance market to finance the new south Stand development. We only scored half a dozen times after Christmas (roughly) The squad is unbalanced, with to many long term injuries and loan players. Other than that all Rosey on the western front. Unless you are Wael's financial adviser or family member the losses are of no real concern to us whilst Wael's prepared to spend the money. If we're getting a new stand then what's the issue with taking out a loan to pay for it, we all want the Mem to be redeveloped and if the only way to pay it is by taking out a loan then that surely is better than not developing the Mem? The £700K loan is only unexplained to us I assume Wael's knows what it is for and why it was required. Not sure who all these players are with long term injuries the only ones missing the final game were Rossiter and Grant, the latter seems likely to be offered a minimal new contract and former hopefully fit for the new season. We've zero loan players at the moment but signing loan players is surely a cost saving benefit hence why every team seems to do it not sure fans were complaining we had too many the previous season, the quality of the loan players this season seems to have been the issue not the quantity. When you say the losses are of no real concern to us I think the majority of fans would agree. But the scale of the losses is a good indication of how the business is being managed and the fact that Rovers were forced to take a high interest rate loan with a second tier lender is proof that people looking from the outside don't think the club is being managed very well at all. Some of us hold the opinion that until the business is being managed efficiently we won't have a successful football club because the mistakes will keep getting repeated and the cycle of failure will continue. Others may disagree but it's hard to understand why they get so ate up about this opinion being expressed unless the tangible evidence from the financial accounts and the league table position is now causing doubts about the direction in which JB is taking us. Throughout his career he's been very consistent in talking himself up and then letting his backers down. It happened again at Fleetwood Town and I can't see any reason to believe the trend will be reversed at Rovers.
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Post by oldie on May 16, 2023 19:54:47 GMT
This
"but it's hard to understand why they get so ate up about this opinion being expressed unless the tangible evidence from the financial accounts and the league table position is now causing doubts about the direction in which JB is taking us. Throughout his career he's been very consistent in talking himself up and then letting his backers down. It happened again at Fleetwood Town and I can't see any reason to believe the trend will be reversed at Rovers. "
I suspect you may have identified the nerve there Swiss🤔
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Post by Bath Gas on May 16, 2023 19:57:32 GMT
Alright then. Barton's got us from nineteeth to seventeeth and should be lauded as the Rovers Messiah. Barton Rovers is better than Bristol Rovers used to be. What we need is more celebrity and criminality. He only relegated us once, and he got us back to where he found us, and that was a miracle only he could have accomplished. We love you Barton, we do. We love you Barton, we do. We love you Barton, we do; oh, Barton we love you. I think that somebody's spiked your bird seed, such a strange poster.
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Post by Bath Gas on May 16, 2023 20:00:21 GMT
I think "concerns" is the wrong term. Wondering about the lack of transparency is probably more apt. Wael can do as he pleases, it's his club and money being spent. Having Barton as manager has been enough of a bitter pill to swallow but to have him anywhere near control of the club is unconscionable Barton has his best mate working as HoR and another acquaintance on the Board having forced out the previous DoF and CEO, I sense he already has virtual control over the club? Bring back Martyn Staynes and Tommy Widdrington - the halycon days at Rovers.
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Post by Bath Gas on May 16, 2023 20:04:54 GMT
I think "concerns" is the wrong term. Wondering about the lack of transparency is probably more apt. Wael can do as he pleases, it's his club and money being spent. I think 'concerns' is the right term. I'm concerned, and my guess is that Swiss, and at least a dozen other guzzlers have concerns about this board. How it comes across to me, anyway. On the second, but rather related, point; working people's football clubs being owned entirely by such rich people that the club is 'his', with which 'he can do as he pleases' remains a fundamentally stupid system, and to a large extent I suppose this is our own fault. Having Barton as manager has been enough of a bitter pill to swallow but to have him anywhere near control of the club is unconscionable. Well, quite. If that's not a concern, then I'm a mallard. Addendum. Without evidence greater than the word and deeds of Barton, I have thought for some time that Bristol Rovers are under the increased control of Barton, as he has hinted himself, rather crudely. When Barton's Rovers were losing badly (not this time, but a previous time) it seemed apparent that Al Qadi lacked the right to sack Barton. Does Barton work for Al Qadi, or are they now partners? Barton is unfit to manage, let alone to control, Bristol Rovers. Keep 'em coming - we all need a good laugh during the close season.
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Post by oldie on May 16, 2023 20:06:45 GMT
Barton has his best mate working as HoR and another acquaintance on the Board having forced out the previous DoF and CEO, I sense he already has virtual control over the club?   Bring back Martyn Staynes and Tommy Widdrington - the halycon days at Rovers. At least Tom Gorringe is doing a good job, even if he is a bit strange
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Post by swissgas on May 16, 2023 20:22:01 GMT
This "but it's hard to understand why they get so ate up about this opinion being expressed unless the tangible evidence from the financial accounts and the league table position is now causing doubts about the direction in which JB is taking us. Throughout his career he's been very consistent in talking himself up and then letting his backers down. It happened again at Fleetwood Town and I can't see any reason to believe the trend will be reversed at Rovers. " I suspect you may have identified the nerve there Swiss🤔 Last week I posted about "emotion" being one of the factors on which we base our opinions and Rovers fans seem to be blessed with more than our fair share of it as I can testify. The problem is balancing emotion with rationality and many Gasheads seem to have formed such an emotional attachment to JB that, although they know his track record, they have convinced themselves "this time it will be different". But in the cold light of day, if we want the club to be successful, surely we have to take some of the emotion out of it and use rational thinking to decide how to make Rovers a successful football club ? JB himself is known to be a gambler and I suspect his gambling strategy is based mainly on instinct and emotion. He's sure he can do it and he's damned well going to take his chance and show people he can make it happen, some time, so long as someone else keeps paying. Brentford and Brighton are often cited as clubs which Rovers should seek to emulate and both are owned by people who are effectively professional gamblers. But their gambling strategy is based much more upon rational thinking than emotion and that's where I think we need to adjust the balance.
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Post by oldie on May 16, 2023 20:47:01 GMT
This "but it's hard to understand why they get so ate up about this opinion being expressed unless the tangible evidence from the financial accounts and the league table position is now causing doubts about the direction in which JB is taking us. Throughout his career he's been very consistent in talking himself up and then letting his backers down. It happened again at Fleetwood Town and I can't see any reason to believe the trend will be reversed at Rovers. " I suspect you may have identified the nerve there Swiss🤔 Last week I posted about "emotion" being one of the factors on which we base our opinions and Rovers fans seem to be blessed with more than our fair share of it as I can testify. The problem is balancing emotion with rationality and many Gasheads seem to have formed such an emotional attachment to JB that, although they know his track record, they have convinced themselves "this time it will be different". But in the cold light of day, if we want the club to be successful, surely we have to take some of the emotion out of it and use rational thinking to decide how to make Rovers a successful football club ? JB himself is known to be a gambler and I suspect his gambling strategy is based mainly on instinct and emotion. He's sure he can do it and he's damned well going to take his chance and show people he can make it happen, some time, so long as someone else keeps paying. Brentford and Brighton are often cited as clubs which Rovers should seek to emulate and both are owned by people who are effectively professional gamblers. But their gambling strategy is based much more upon rational thinking than emotion and that's where I think we need to adjust the balance.  But Can you rationalise the irrational? Some of the statements, words, used in support of Barton border on the cult like.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 16, 2023 20:48:39 GMT
Unless you are Wael's financial adviser or family member the losses are of no real concern to us whilst Wael's prepared to spend the money. If we're getting a new stand then what's the issue with taking out a loan to pay for it, we all want the Mem to be redeveloped and if the only way to pay it is by taking out a loan then that surely is better than not developing the Mem? The £700K loan is only unexplained to us I assume Wael's knows what it is for and why it was required. Not sure who all these players are with long term injuries the only ones missing the final game were Rossiter and Grant, the latter seems likely to be offered a minimal new contract and former hopefully fit for the new season. We've zero loan players at the moment but signing loan players is surely a cost saving benefit hence why every team seems to do it not sure fans were complaining we had too many the previous season, the quality of the loan players this season seems to have been the issue not the quantity. When you say the losses are of no real concern to us I think the majority of fans would agree. But the scale of the losses is a good indication of how the business is being managed and the fact that Rovers were forced to take a high interest rate loan with a second tier lender is proof that people looking from the outside don't think the club is being managed very well at all. Some of us hold the opinion that until the business is being managed efficiently we won't have a successful football club because the mistakes will keep getting repeated and the cycle of failure will continue. Others may disagree but it's hard to understand why they get so ate up about this opinion being expressed unless the tangible evidence from the financial accounts and the league table position is now causing doubts about the direction in which JB is taking us. Throughout his career he's been very consistent in talking himself up and then letting his backers down. It happened again at Fleetwood Town and I can't see any reason to believe the trend will be reversed at Rovers. Who's getting ate up about anything, having a point of view on JB doesn't mean you're ate about it. As things stand I personally can't see Wael appointing anybody any better. If we do manage to construct the new stand this summer and then fill it next season JB will have achieved something no other recent manager has managed.
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Post by bondigas on May 16, 2023 21:46:42 GMT
Last season we had a playing budget of £4.5 million, the highest in the club's history so we were informed. The result was we finished 17th in the table,exactly where Barton found us before relegating the club ! We then suffered Barton giving the opposition's team talk every Monday and Friday especially focusing on the inadequacies of the opposition's manager. Not satisfied with that self destruction ploy Barton then decides to self destruct our own players who turn out every game from there on in unable to win a one ticket raffle ! If a board of directors existed which the club doesn't have then without question in normal practice Barton would have been warned of his conduct and if it continued shown the door ! Barton is aware he is unemployable by any other club so the only way he can continue to remain in the game is to invest in a club to guarantee his existence still in football. He then gives an interview to the Bristol Post where he says promotion and the Papa John's Trophy will be his achievable targets for next year otherwise he's going to play golf, so what's our playing budget going to be for next season to overhaul the still big spenders in Division 1.Is it to gamble as is Bartons weakness and take another loan from Nationwide (Wonga dodgepot) Finance and borrow 12 million to match Reading and Sheffield Wednesdays playing budget to win a promotion spot. If you look closely at the accounts Old Mill the club's accountants,based in Yeovil specialists normally in agricultural audits have been as minimalistic as they possibly can be in presenting the accounts and they are then signed off by someone who either doesn't understand them or even reads them for two consecutive years with glaring fundamental errors. You don't have to be Inspector Cluso to put two and two together and quickly realise Barton has probably a large stake with his backers from Liverpool in the club. If he didn't, then he would have been long gone, nobody owning a club could put up with his outspoken and continued behaviour as he found out at Fleetwood if he didn't have money tied up in the mix!
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Post by toteend3 on May 16, 2023 23:32:31 GMT
After crimes against football Coughlan, PlayStation Garner and fashion Guru Tisdale it’s a relief that we got a real football nut in JB albeit he’s still a work in progress.
And so what that he’s marmite , so were Clough and Mourinho if you got it, then you got it, after all, if Harry Rednapp thinks he can go all the way who am I to disagree.
He’s still learning his trade , made some mistakes last season, but if he could mature into the manager he could be, and then drop us off in the Championship on his way to the top, then that will do nicely.
UTG
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Post by baselswh on May 17, 2023 5:51:20 GMT
After crimes against football Coughlan, PlayStation Garner and fashion Guru Tisdale it’s a relief that we got a real football nut in JB albeit he’s still a work in progress. And so what that he’s marmite , so were Clough and Mourinho if you got it, then you got it, after all, if Harry Rednapp thinks he can go all the way who am I to disagree. He’s still learning his trade , made some mistakes last season, but if he could mature into the manager he could be, and then drop us off in the Championship on his way to the top, then that will do nicely. UTG Yep,some just don't "get" JB ,don't like him and resent him being Rovers manager. This is the foundation of their arguement. I think their arguement is weak,boring and vindictive.
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Post by Cheshiregas on May 17, 2023 7:59:46 GMT
After crimes against football Coughlan, PlayStation Garner and fashion Guru Tisdale it’s a relief that we got a real football nut in JB albeit he’s still a work in progress. And so what that he’s marmite , so were Clough and Mourinho if you got it, then you got it, after all, if Harry Rednapp thinks he can go all the way who am I to disagree. He’s still learning his trade , made some mistakes last season, but if he could mature into the manager he could be, and then drop us off in the Championship on his way to the top, then that will do nicely. UTG If you are talking about crimes, let us look at the evidence... Where were we when Coughlan left? Where are we now?
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Post by eppinggas on May 17, 2023 8:15:54 GMT
This "but it's hard to understand why they get so ate up about this opinion being expressed unless the tangible evidence from the financial accounts and the league table position is now causing doubts about the direction in which JB is taking us. Throughout his career he's been very consistent in talking himself up and then letting his backers down. It happened again at Fleetwood Town and I can't see any reason to believe the trend will be reversed at Rovers. " I suspect you may have identified the nerve there Swiss🤔 Last week I posted about "emotion" being one of the factors on which we base our opinions and Rovers fans seem to be blessed with more than our fair share of it as I can testify. The problem is balancing emotion with rationality and many Gasheads seem to have formed such an emotional attachment to JB that, although they know his track record, they have convinced themselves "this time it will be different". But in the cold light of day, if we want the club to be successful, surely we have to take some of the emotion out of it and use rational thinking to decide how to make Rovers a successful football club ? I guess it is fair to say that those who have distanced themselves from the Club have taken out the emotional bond they had with it. So instead of defending the manager to the hilt, they take a bit more of an objective stance. Constructive criticism (well some of it just criticism, admittedly) causes the Barton Fanboys to go into meltdown. "cos, if you aren't with us, you're against us". Once you have nailed your colours to the mast, it doesn't matter what evidence is presented to you, or what gobsh!tery comes out of his mouth, you double down on your support. Because that's what "real" supporters do.
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2023 8:50:30 GMT
Last week I posted about "emotion" being one of the factors on which we base our opinions and Rovers fans seem to be blessed with more than our fair share of it as I can testify. The problem is balancing emotion with rationality and many Gasheads seem to have formed such an emotional attachment to JB that, although they know his track record, they have convinced themselves "this time it will be different". But in the cold light of day, if we want the club to be successful, surely we have to take some of the emotion out of it and use rational thinking to decide how to make Rovers a successful football club ? I guess it is fair to say that those who have distanced themselves from the Club have taken out the emotional bond they had with it. So instead of defending the manager to the hilt, they take a bit more of an objective stance. Constructive criticism (well some of it just criticism, admittedly) causes the Barton Fanboys to go into meltdown. "cos, if you aren't with us, you're against us". Once you have nailed your colours to the mast, it doesn't matter what evidence is presented to you, or what gobsh!tery comes out of his mouth, you double down on your support. Because that's what "real" supporters do.  It appears so
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2023 8:52:29 GMT
After crimes against football Coughlan, PlayStation Garner and fashion Guru Tisdale it’s a relief that we got a real football nut in JB albeit he’s still a work in progress. And so what that he’s marmite , so were Clough and Mourinho if you got it, then you got it, after all, if Harry Rednapp thinks he can go all the way who am I to disagree. He’s still learning his trade , made some mistakes last season, but if he could mature into the manager he could be, and then drop us off in the Championship on his way to the top, then that will do nicely. UTG If you are talking about crimes, let us look at the evidence... Where were we when Coughlan left? Where are we now? And what was Coughlan's budget and how many coaches did he surround himself with? If we are to make a like for like comparison
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 17, 2023 8:53:46 GMT
When you say the losses are of no real concern to us I think the majority of fans would agree. But the scale of the losses is a good indication of how the business is being managed and the fact that Rovers were forced to take a high interest rate loan with a second tier lender is proof that people looking from the outside don't think the club is being managed very well at all. Some of us hold the opinion that until the business is being managed efficiently we won't have a successful football club because the mistakes will keep getting repeated and the cycle of failure will continue. Others may disagree but it's hard to understand why they get so ate up about this opinion being expressed unless the tangible evidence from the financial accounts and the league table position is now causing doubts about the direction in which JB is taking us. Throughout his career he's been very consistent in talking himself up and then letting his backers down. It happened again at Fleetwood Town and I can't see any reason to believe the trend will be reversed at Rovers. Who's getting ate up about anything, having a point of view on JB doesn't mean you're ate about it. As things stand I personally can't see Wael appointing anybody any better. If we do manage to construct the new stand this summer and then fill it next season JB will have achieved something no other recent manager has managed. Hang on a movement, are you implying that if/when the new stand goes up, that it will be all because of Barton ? We have had the club lower the amount of people in stands when it was it was not a necessity but based on advice. Marketing has been cleverly managed, so that it looks like we are close to or selling out every match and it has been proven that we are for sale but i will get back to my point, do you think the new stand will be because of Barton and would not have been built, without him, please ?
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