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Post by droitwichgas on May 15, 2023 19:48:25 GMT
People have got short memories on this forum when Gerry Francis was the manager he paid £10000 out of his own money to bring Ian Holloway back to the club Slightly different situation given the difference in the respective owners financial backgrounds, plus the present loan is x7 what GF paid out. Was
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 20:11:42 GMT
I think Barton paying his staff from his wages is a slight embarrassment, but on the other hand I feel somewhat grateful for that contribution. I certainly don't think this pertains to his unsuitability to manage Bristol Rovers, and I don't think that is the suggestion made by others, either. This thread seems to have taken over from the October thread as the repository for Swiss and others' concerns regarding the 'board''s decision making.
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Post by oldie on May 15, 2023 20:35:23 GMT
With respect Bath, you do sound a little besotted (less so than our resident sycophant admittedly) In any professionally run organisation you can't have managers running around employing people they feel like.I would, in rebuttal, suggest this. Barton believes he is a Premier League quality manager and coach. To supplement this delusion he surrounds himself with the coaching staff that goes with that position. But the club can in no way afford it, so he (may well be) pays for that himself. It's like a drug, it makes you feel better about yourself. God help his Psyche if he fails next season....if any of that is true
From your link "In an interesting update, he also said that “Bielsa will pay his own backroom staff from his financial package”. It’s just one of the details that have seemingly held up the deal and it shows the level of control Bielsa has at the club." Emmm....well precisely, I have wondered how much control Barton has at our club. But in any event, openly declared at the outset so I presume not a loan on Leeds balance sheet?
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Post by oldie on May 15, 2023 20:40:50 GMT
I think Barton paying his staff from his wages is a slight embarrassment, but on the other hand I feel somewhat grateful for that contribution. I certainly don't think this pertains to his unsuitability to manage Bristol Rovers, and I don't think that is the suggestion made by others, either. This thread seems to have taken over from the October thread as the repository for Swiss and others' concerns regarding the 'board''s decision making. I think "concerns" is the wrong term. Wondering about the lack of transparency is probably more apt. Wael can do as he pleases, it's his club and money being spent. Having Barton as manager has been enough of a bitter pill to swallow but to have him anywhere near control of the club is unconscionable
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Post by Colyton Gas. on May 15, 2023 20:44:57 GMT
unconscionable. Not every day I learn a new word.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 15, 2023 20:51:48 GMT
I think Barton paying his staff from his wages is a slight embarrassment, but on the other hand I feel somewhat grateful for that contribution. I certainly don't think this pertains to his unsuitability to manage Bristol Rovers, and I don't think that is the suggestion made by others, either. This thread seems to have taken over from the October thread as the repository for Swiss and others' concerns regarding the 'board''s decision making. I think "concerns" is the wrong term. Wondering about the lack of transparency is probably more apt. Wael can do as he pleases, it's his club and money being spent. Having Barton as manager has been enough of a bitter pill to swallow but to have him anywhere near control of the club is unconscionable Barton has his best mate working as HoR and another acquaintance on the Board having forced out the previous DoF and CEO, I sense he already has virtual control over the club?
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Post by oldie on May 15, 2023 21:25:34 GMT
I think "concerns" is the wrong term. Wondering about the lack of transparency is probably more apt. Wael can do as he pleases, it's his club and money being spent. Having Barton as manager has been enough of a bitter pill to swallow but to have him anywhere near control of the club is unconscionable Barton has his best mate working as HoR and another acquaintance on the Board having forced out the previous DoF and CEO, I sense he already has virtual control over the club? Money talks.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 7:15:24 GMT
I think "concerns" is the wrong term. Wondering about the lack of transparency is probably more apt. Wael can do as he pleases, it's his club and money being spent. I think 'concerns' is the right term. I'm concerned, and my guess is that Swiss, and at least a dozen other guzzlers have concerns about this board. How it comes across to me, anyway. On the second, but rather related, point; working people's football clubs being owned entirely by such rich people that the club is 'his', with which 'he can do as he pleases' remains a fundamentally stupid system, and to a large extent I suppose this is our own fault. Having Barton as manager has been enough of a bitter pill to swallow but to have him anywhere near control of the club is unconscionable. Well, quite. If that's not a concern, then I'm a mallard. Addendum. Without evidence greater than the word and deeds of Barton, I have thought for some time that Bristol Rovers are under the increased control of Barton, as he has hinted himself, rather crudely. When Barton's Rovers were losing badly (not this time, but a previous time) it seemed apparent that Al Qadi lacked the right to sack Barton. Does Barton work for Al Qadi, or are they now partners? Barton is unfit to manage, let alone to control, Bristol Rovers.
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Post by baselswh on May 16, 2023 7:51:32 GMT
Bristol Rovers desperately needed a shake up and JB continues to do just that.
Absolutely tiptop.
Those that resent it still have that "bitter pill" stuck in their throat.
Choking on it.🙂
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Post by laughinggas on May 16, 2023 8:05:04 GMT
Bristol Rovers desperately needed a shake up and JB continues to do just that. Absolutely tiptop. Those that resent it still have that "bitter pill" stuck in their throat. Choking on it.🙂 May or May not be true regarding rebuild. How many were suggesting it was needed before JB arrived? Some now saying it's a good thing because we are told it was needed.
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Post by oldie on May 16, 2023 8:47:28 GMT
Bristol Rovers desperately needed a shake up and JB continues to do just that. Absolutely tiptop. Those that resent it still have that "bitter pill" stuck in their throat. Choking on it.🙂 May or May not be true regarding rebuild. How many were suggesting it was needed before JB arrived? Some now saying it's a good thing because we are told it was needed. Precisely put
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Post by oldie on May 16, 2023 8:48:05 GMT
I think "concerns" is the wrong term. Wondering about the lack of transparency is probably more apt. Wael can do as he pleases, it's his club and money being spent. I think 'concerns' is the right term. I'm concerned, and my guess is that Swiss, and at least a dozen other guzzlers have concerns about this board. How it comes across to me, anyway. On the second, but rather related, point; working people's football clubs being owned entirely by such rich people that the club is 'his', with which 'he can do as he pleases' remains a fundamentally stupid system, and to a large extent I suppose this is our own fault. Having Barton as manager has been enough of a bitter pill to swallow but to have him anywhere near control of the club is unconscionable. Well, quite. If that's not a concern, then I'm a mallard. Addendum. Without evidence greater than the word and deeds of Barton, I have thought for some time that Bristol Rovers are under the increased control of Barton, as he has hinted himself, rather crudely. When Barton's Rovers were losing badly (not this time, but a previous time) it seemed apparent that Al Qadi lacked the right to sack Barton. Does Barton work for Al Qadi, or are they now partners? Barton is unfit to manage, let alone to control, Bristol Rovers. Well argued sir
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Post by droitwichgas on May 16, 2023 18:01:19 GMT
I think "concerns" is the wrong term. Wondering about the lack of transparency is probably more apt. Wael can do as he pleases, it's his club and money being spent. I think 'concerns' is the right term. I'm concerned, and my guess is that Swiss, and at least a dozen other guzzlers have concerns about this board. How it comes across to me, anyway. On the second, but rather related, point; working people's football clubs being owned entirely by such rich people that the club is 'his', with which 'he can do as he pleases' remains a fundamentally stupid system, and to a large extent I suppose this is our own fault. Having Barton as manager has been enough of a bitter pill to swallow but to have him anywhere near control of the club is unconscionable. Well, quite. If that's not a concern, then I'm a mallard. Addendum. Without evidence greater than the word and deeds of Barton, I have thought for some time that Bristol Rovers are under the increased control of Barton, as he has hinted himself, rather crudely. When Barton's Rovers were losing badly (not this time, but a previous time) it seemed apparent that Al Qadi lacked the right to sack Barton. Does Barton work for Al Qadi, or are they now partners? Barton is unfit to manage, let alone to control, Bristol Rovers. Since JB "took over" running the club we've been promoted, in probably the most exciting way possible, have made a free transfer player into one potentially worth £2m/£3m, most games are now sell outs or near to sell outs, we've finally announced plans to develop part of the Mem and also confirmed that we're still in talks with Congyer Inv regarding a new stadium at the FM, and also have plans to develop The Quarters further. What's there not to like about JB have control of running the club?
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Post by oldie on May 16, 2023 18:09:07 GMT
I think 'concerns' is the right term. I'm concerned, and my guess is that Swiss, and at least a dozen other guzzlers have concerns about this board. How it comes across to me, anyway. On the second, but rather related, point; working people's football clubs being owned entirely by such rich people that the club is 'his', with which 'he can do as he pleases' remains a fundamentally stupid system, and to a large extent I suppose this is our own fault. Well, quite. If that's not a concern, then I'm a mallard. Addendum. Without evidence greater than the word and deeds of Barton, I have thought for some time that Bristol Rovers are under the increased control of Barton, as he has hinted himself, rather crudely. When Barton's Rovers were losing badly (not this time, but a previous time) it seemed apparent that Al Qadi lacked the right to sack Barton. Does Barton work for Al Qadi, or are they now partners? Barton is unfit to manage, let alone to control, Bristol Rovers. Since JB "took over" running the club we've been promoted, in probably the most exciting way possible, have made a free transfer player into one potentially worth £2m/£3m, most games are now sell outs or near to sell outs, we've finally announced plans to develop part of the Mem and also confirmed that we're still in talks with Congyer Inv regarding a new stadium at the FM, and also have plans to develop The Quarters further. What's there not to like about JB have control of running the club? It's not his money. We finished 17th. Virtually no progress from the position when he started. The club burned over £3 million in cash last full year. There is a £700k plus unexplained loan on the balance sheet. A loan has been taken out in the secondary finance market to finance the new south Stand development. We only scored half a dozen times after Christmas (roughly) The squad is unbalanced, with to many long term injuries and loan players. Other than that all Rosey on the western front.
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Post by baselswh on May 16, 2023 18:28:52 GMT
Since JB "took over" running the club we've been promoted, in probably the most exciting way possible, have made a free transfer player into one potentially worth £2m/£3m, most games are now sell outs or near to sell outs, we've finally announced plans to develop part of the Mem and also confirmed that we're still in talks with Congyer Inv regarding a new stadium at the FM, and also have plans to develop The Quarters further. What's there not to like about JB have control of running the club? It's not his money. We finished 17th. Virtually no progress from the position when he started. The club burned over £3 million in cash last full year. There is a £700k plus unexplained loan on the balance sheet. A loan has been taken out in the secondary finance market to finance the new south Stand development. We only scored half a dozen times after Christmas (roughly) The squad is unbalanced, with to many long term injuries and loan players. Other than that all Rosey on the western front. We have laid the foundations for a good go in the 3rd tier next time As for the rest,so what? Your points are not worrying in the slightest,no matter how hard you and the amateur dramatists around here try. All normal fc stuff. Rovers are making progress. Droitwichs post is spot on.
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Post by oldie on May 16, 2023 18:38:23 GMT
" They know what they are doing is wrong. And it's our job to remind them of it. Because when we don't continually remind them, people devolve into self-delusion."
How apt.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 16, 2023 19:11:11 GMT
Since JB "took over" running the club we've been promoted, in probably the most exciting way possible, have made a free transfer player into one potentially worth £2m/£3m, most games are now sell outs or near to sell outs, we've finally announced plans to develop part of the Mem and also confirmed that we're still in talks with Congyer Inv regarding a new stadium at the FM, and also have plans to develop The Quarters further. What's there not to like about JB have control of running the club? It's not his money. We finished 17th. Virtually no progress from the position when he started. The club burned over £3 million in cash last full year. There is a £700k plus unexplained loan on the balance sheet. A loan has been taken out in the secondary finance market to finance the new south Stand development. We only scored half a dozen times after Christmas (roughly) The squad is unbalanced, with to many long term injuries and loan players. Other than that all Rosey on the western front. Unless you are Wael's financial adviser or family member the losses are of no real concern to us whilst Wael's prepared to spend the money. If we're getting a new stand then what's the issue with taking out a loan to pay for it, we all want the Mem to be redeveloped and if the only way to pay it is by taking out a loan then that surely is better than not developing the Mem? The £700K loan is only unexplained to us I assume Wael's knows what it is for and why it was required. Not sure who all these players are with long term injuries the only ones missing the final game were Rossiter and Grant, the latter seems likely to be offered a minimal new contract and former hopefully fit for the new season. We've zero loan players at the moment but signing loan players is surely a cost saving benefit hence why every team seems to do it not sure fans were complaining we had too many the previous season, the quality of the loan players this season seems to have been the issue not the quantity.
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 16, 2023 19:39:45 GMT
" They know what they are doing is wrong. And it's our job to remind them of it. Because when we don't continually remind them, people devolve into self-delusion." How apt. Now that sounds like self appraisal
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Post by baselswh on May 16, 2023 19:40:17 GMT
" They know what they are doing is wrong. And it's our job to remind them of it. Because when we don't continually remind them, people devolve into self-delusion." How apt. Yawn. More inappropriate silly drama.
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Post by oldie on May 16, 2023 19:47:46 GMT
It's not his money. We finished 17th. Virtually no progress from the position when he started. The club burned over £3 million in cash last full year. There is a £700k plus unexplained loan on the balance sheet. A loan has been taken out in the secondary finance market to finance the new south Stand development. We only scored half a dozen times after Christmas (roughly) The squad is unbalanced, with to many long term injuries and loan players. Other than that all Rosey on the western front. Unless you are Wael's financial adviser or family member the losses are of no real concern to us whilst Wael's prepared to spend the money. If we're getting a new stand then what's the issue with taking out a loan to pay for it, we all want the Mem to be redeveloped and if the only way to pay it is by taking out a loan then that surely is better than not developing the Mem? The £700K loan is only unexplained to us I assume Wael's knows what it is for and why it was required. Not sure who all these players are with long term injuries the only ones missing the final game were Rossiter and Grant, the latter seems likely to be offered a minimal new contract and former hopefully fit for the new season. We've zero loan players at the moment but signing loan players is surely a cost saving benefit hence why every team seems to do it not sure fans were complaining we had too many the previous season, the quality of the loan players this season seems to have been the issue not the quantity. In a nutshell...blind faith...a view you are entitled to hold obviously
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