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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 18:27:21 GMT
For those who think Barton did a really good job at Fleetwood what are their thoughts on Fleetwood this season? They look to be in free fall at the moment and not because Joey left- he was responsible for a run of 1 win in 9 before his departure so the rot had set in by the time he walked and a run of 1 win in 9 is usually enough to see most managers lose their jobs regardless so puts into doubt Barton’s narrative that he left them. I would have thought an excellent manager like Barton would have had them top of the table when he left. Anything but, by the look of things. Don’t recall you berating the appointment of Tisdale on the back of his horrendous run which led to him being fired by MK Plastics. But then you’re in the anyone but Barton camp, aren’t you? When have I ever cheer-leaded for Tisdale? I have some sympathy as I feel he’s been thrown under the bus to cover for the crap recruitment and I also feel he was hamstrung by those above him, but in the grand scheme of things he was another crap appointment backed to the hilt by the denizens of Barton Chat when on paper it looked like he was yesterday’s man. Tisdale and Garner being poor managers doesn’t mean the recruitment was actually good or that Barton is a good manager though, it is possible for all of those things to be true and to an extent I think that is the case. Barton might be something of an upgrade on Tisdale, undoubtedly an upgrade on Garner (a bag of flour would be an upgrade on Garner) but worth the controversy of his past on the basis of his managerial record at big spending Fleetwood? Pffffft....
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Post by JeffNZ on Mar 1, 2021 18:28:51 GMT
I’m surprised I have to explain this, but here goes. My comparison with the hysterical Barton Out movement to religious zealotry is not saying the movement has anything to do with religion. I am using religious zealotry as a simile to describe the hysteria over Barton. I could have said it was medieval witch hunting, again a simile. I would not be advocating Barton be put in a ducking stool and drowned, or burnt at the stake for that matter. Did that really need explaining? You seem to be arguing your position with equal vigour to that displayed by any of us opposed to the appointment. .... ... and (ironically) lashing of patronisation. Genuine question towngas, are you involved with the club in any professional or official capacity?
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Post by swissgas on Mar 1, 2021 18:34:39 GMT
"Hoping for the best" is the strategy which caused Nick Higgs to fail and which is causing Wael to fail. All I can do is hope for the best and I would suggest all any other fan can do is hope for the best. As for WAQ, what would you do differently. Don’t forget,of course, that it’s your fortune on the line. How would you spend your money? Or would you even get involved in football. Talk is cheap my friend. Family is my first priority and that comes above any selfish interests. So, although fascinated by the football business, I wouldn't get involved without being sure I had the ability to at least stand a reasonable chance of making a success of it.
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Post by towngas on Mar 1, 2021 19:11:24 GMT
Don’t recall you berating the appointment of Tisdale on the back of his horrendous run which led to him being fired by MK Plastics. But then you’re in the anyone but Barton camp, aren’t you? When have I ever cheer-leaded for Tisdale? I have some sympathy as I feel he’s been thrown under the bus to cover for the crap recruitment and I also feel he was hamstrung by those above him, but in the grand scheme of things he was another crap appointment backed to the hilt by the denizens of Barton Chat when on paper it looked like he was yesterday’s man. Tisdale and Garner being poor managers doesn’t mean the recruitment was actually good or that Barton is a good manager though, it is possible for all of those things to be true and to an extent I think that is the case. Barton might be something of an upgrade on Tisdale, undoubtedly an upgrade on Garner (a bag of flour would be an upgrade on Garner) but worth the controversy of his past on the basis of his managerial record at big spending Fleetwood? Pffffft.... I didn't say you were a Tisdale cheer leader. I said you didn't berate his appointment like you have Bartons. There is a world of difference.
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Post by towngas on Mar 1, 2021 19:24:23 GMT
You seem to be arguing your position with equal vigour to that displayed by any of us opposed to the appointment. .... ... and (ironically) lashing of patronisation. Genuine question towngas , are you involved with the club in any professional or official capacity? I query why patriotism should be ironic. As as for your question, no, I have never had any involvement officially or otherwise with Rovers. I have followed the club since I was at junior school.in the early 60's. I buy my ST's for myself, wife and youngest son and we usually have a pasty/ hot drink & Sweets at the ground. Thats as far as my financial support goes. My son and I do as many away trips as possible. I look at the cost of running a lower league FC and am flabbergasted. I am in awe of the people who bankroll our club from their own pockets. WAQ is spending a fortune on us and he isn't even a Bristolian, let alone English or British. That people snipe, criticise and abuse him on these forums I find quite staggering. I wonder how many many of them would risk their money in a similar way if they had it! I know I wouldn't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 19:29:06 GMT
When have I ever cheer-leaded for Tisdale? I have some sympathy as I feel he’s been thrown under the bus to cover for the crap recruitment and I also feel he was hamstrung by those above him, but in the grand scheme of things he was another crap appointment backed to the hilt by the denizens of Barton Chat when on paper it looked like he was yesterday’s man. Tisdale and Garner being poor managers doesn’t mean the recruitment was actually good or that Barton is a good manager though, it is possible for all of those things to be true and to an extent I think that is the case. Barton might be something of an upgrade on Tisdale, undoubtedly an upgrade on Garner (a bag of flour would be an upgrade on Garner) but worth the controversy of his past on the basis of his managerial record at big spending Fleetwood? Pffffft.... I didn't say you were a Tisdale cheer leader. I said you didn't berate his appointment like you have Bartons. There is a world of difference. Oh I had my say on it, not as prolifically on here but elsewhere. I told anyone who would listen it was a waste of time and so it proved. Last November was the club’s chance to take stock of what went wrong and then take their time and make a calm and measured appointment for the long term. And what happened? Wael went throwing his knickers at yet another out of work manager when Garner was barely out of the door. I bet Tisdale couldn’t believe his luck and we’ve been paying for it ever since because it has meant that there was no time at all to make a considered appointment when Tisdale came to the end of the road. Such are the conditions that leave you having to hire a character like Barton out of sheer desperation, thus kicking the can down the road of the club deciding what it’s long term plan is and whether the current composition of the footballing side is providing good value for money. That day is going to come one day and we’ll be the worse for it by putting it off for so long.
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Post by towngas on Mar 1, 2021 19:37:01 GMT
I didn't say you were a Tisdale cheer leader. I said you didn't berate his appointment like you have Bartons. There is a world of difference. Oh I had my say on it, not as prolifically on here but elsewhere. I told anyone who would listen it was a waste of time and so it proved. Last November was the club’s chance to take stock of what went wrong and then take their time and make a calm and measured appointment for the long term. And what happened? Wael went throwing his knickers at yet another out of work manager when Garner was barely out of the door. I bet Tisdale couldn’t believe his luck and we’ve been paying for it ever since because it has meant that there was no time at all to make a considered appointment when Tisdale came to the end of the road. Such are the conditions that leave you having to hire a character like Barton out of sheer desperation, thus kicking the can down the road of the club deciding what it’s long term plan is and whether the current composition of the footballing side is providing good value for money. That day is going to come one day and we’ll be the worse for it by putting it off for so long. Yes, I'm quite sure that if WAQ had his time again he would have looked to secure the services of Barton after the way his team demolished us in Garner's final game in charge!
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Post by harrogategas on Mar 1, 2021 19:38:37 GMT
Rovers is the only team I have ever supported. I was brought up to respect principles and do everything ‘by the book’. I was never a fan of Joey Barton due to his apparent disregard of protocol etc. Having made mistakes in my own life, I would like to think that Joey can bring success to our club, having learnt from his mistakes. We are in an age where principals don’t seem to matter anymore, and if we keep our heads in the sand we will never gat anywhere. We have a Wael and now Joey, who will hopefully bring us into the new world which is something we have to accept or be left behind. I believed be in principles but unfortunately they will get us nowhere. Everyone should have a chance to redeem themselves. Let’s move on and back our manager.
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Post by trymer on Mar 1, 2021 19:50:31 GMT
Rovers is the only team I have ever supported. I was brought up to respect principles and do everything ‘by the book’. I was never a fan of Joey Barton due to his apparent disregard of protocol etc. Having made mistakes in my own life, I would like to think that Joey can bring success to our club, having learnt from his mistakes. We are in an age where principals don’t seem to matter anymore, and if we keep our heads in the sand we will never gat anywhere. We have a Wael and now Joey, who will hopefully bring us into the new world which is something we have to accept or be left behind. I believed be in principles but unfortunately they will get us nowhere. Everyone should have a chance to redeem themselves. Let’s move on and back our manager. Exactly, I remember watching the film Slapshot and how a failing team turned things around by getting real.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 1, 2021 20:22:07 GMT
Rovers is the only team I have ever supported. I was brought up to respect principles and do everything ‘by the book’. I was never a fan of Joey Barton due to his apparent disregard of protocol etc. Having made mistakes in my own life, I would like to think that Joey can bring success to our club, having learnt from his mistakes. We are in an age where principals don’t seem to matter anymore, and if we keep our heads in the sand we will never gat anywhere. We have a Wael and now Joey, who will hopefully bring us into the new world which is something we have to accept or be left behind. I believed be in principles but unfortunately they will get us nowhere. Everyone should have a chance to redeem themselves. Let’s move on and back our manager. Exactly, I remember watching the film Slapshot and how a failing team turned things around by getting real. The premise of that film is that the team is about to fold due to financial pressures and poor on-field performance. They resort to violent play and outrageous behavior to win back popularity and this brings initial success but eventually they do fold and the coach moves on to a bigger team.
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Post by harrogategas on Mar 1, 2021 20:25:21 GMT
I don’t for one minute suggest that our Rovers become violent!!!!
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Post by johnmalyckyj on Mar 1, 2021 21:02:08 GMT
And I think he did it to try to ingratiate himself to the fans. It made uncomfortable listening for me. He would never have known Brian, never even have heard of him. My guess is someone at the club suggested it would be a clever move to make that dedication. Spin, pure and simple imo. Well Anne (I hope you are well), given that Brian Williams aligned himself with those who wished to undermine the current owner of the Football Club, I think it unlikely that anyone from within the inner circle put the new manager up to that. You may call it spin, but I suspect Brian's family and close friends will have found great comfort in the gesture, that was what struck me when I listened to the interview. Brian, lived and breathed Bristol Rovers, we disagreed about many issues down the years but I know he would have been firstly greatly embarrassed to have been mentioned but then deeply honoured if the truth be told. It's a great pity that people want to put a different perspective on it rather than thinking of his family. Regards John Malyckyj
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Post by Angas on Mar 1, 2021 21:44:15 GMT
And I think he did it to try to ingratiate himself to the fans. It made uncomfortable listening for me. He would never have known Brian, never even have heard of him. My guess is someone at the club suggested it would be a clever move to make that dedication. Spin, pure and simple imo. Well Anne (I hope you are well), given that Brian Williams aligned himself with those who wished to undermine the current owner of the Football Club, I think it unlikely that anyone from within the inner circle put the new manager up to that. You may call it spin, but I suspect Brian's family and close friends will have found great comfort in the gesture, that was what struck me when I listened to the interview. Brian, lived and breathed Bristol Rovers, we disagreed about many issues down the years but I know he would have been firstly greatly embarrassed to have been mentioned but then deeply honoured if the truth be told. It's a great pity that people want to put a different perspective on it rather than thinking of his family. Regards John Malyckyj It's how it came across to me I'm afraid. Can't shake that feeling off. I hope Brian's family did find comfort in the words and I wouldn't want to take that away from them for one minute. Given what you say, I really hope no-one from the inner circle did make the suggestion. That would be even worse than I'd first thought.
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Post by MisterSitter on Mar 1, 2021 22:59:58 GMT
Exactly, I remember watching the film Slapshot and how a failing team turned things around by getting real. The premise of that film is that the team is about to fold due to financial pressures and poor on-field performance. They resort to violent play and outrageous behavior to win back popularity and this brings initial success but eventually they do fold and the coach moves on to a bigger team. Ah spoiler alert! I might as well stop the dvd now ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:04:22 GMT
I think it is highly illustrative of the frenzied hatred for Barton that this ridiculous thread is now 3 times longer than the Matchday thread dealing with a vital home win. You've now written to this ridiculous thread twenty-eight times. You wrote to the last match day thread... once. Here are your stats over the last fifty-one posts, for reference: Joey Barton is unfit to manage Bristol Rovers: 28 Joey Barton - officially named manager: 13 I must say (pro Barton thread): 4 Plus one post each on Gas versus Shrews matchday, where is Martyn Starnes, Wigan versus Gas matchday, Brexit Britain, EU success stories, and Brentford's stadium. Barton has certainly inspired you.
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Post by MisterSitter on Mar 1, 2021 23:06:30 GMT
I think it is highly illustrative of the frenzied hatred for Barton that this ridiculous thread is now 3 times longer than the Matchday thread dealing with a vital home win. You've now written to this ridiculous thread twenty-eight times. You wrote to the last match day thread... once. Here are your stats over the last fifty-one posts, for reference: Joey Barton is unfit to manage Bristol Rovers: 28 Joey Barton - officially named manager: 13 I must say (pro Barton thread): 4 Plus one post each on Gas versus Shrews matchday, where is Martyn Starnes, Wigan versus Gas matchday, Brexit Britain, EU success stories, and Brentford's stadium. Barton has certainly inspired you. Furloughed?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:07:51 GMT
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Post by MisterSitter on Mar 1, 2021 23:13:23 GMT
Fair play, too much effort for me though. I've found it easier to just click the X in the top right hand corner and not come back for a year or two
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:43:20 GMT
Rovers is the only team I have ever supported. I was brought up to respect principles and do everything ‘by the book’. I was never a fan of Joey Barton due to his apparent disregard of protocol etc. Having made mistakes in my own life, I would like to think that Joey can bring success to our club, having learnt from his mistakes. We are in an age where principals don’t seem to matter anymore, and if we keep our heads in the sand we will never gat anywhere. We have a Wael and now Joey, who will hopefully bring us into the new world which is something we have to accept or be left behind. I believed be in principles but unfortunately they will get us nowhere. Everyone should have a chance to redeem themselves. Let’s move on and back our manager. I totally agree with this, we’re living in a “post shame” society, especially when you look at how we have a “colourful” prime minister who has simply brazened out every controversy in his career. I think we definitely have become quite numb to a lot of immorality bar a few last taboos that you still can’t get away with in a public office. I think it’s sad personally. I don’t think anyone is saying Barton should not be able to work again but that maybe the public face of a football club is not the place for him to reform himself. But it seems that most will look past a lot of things simply on the promise of winning football matches and in our case even shamelessly promote the hell out of such a character known for his acts of violence rather than his football ability.
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Post by towngas on Mar 2, 2021 10:23:24 GMT
I think it is highly illustrative of the frenzied hatred for Barton that this ridiculous thread is now 3 times longer than the Matchday thread dealing with a vital home win. You've now written to this ridiculous thread twenty-eight times. You wrote to the last match day thread... once. Here are your stats over the last fifty-one posts, for reference: Joey Barton is unfit to manage Bristol Rovers: 28 Joey Barton - officially named manager: 13 I must say (pro Barton thread): 4 Plus one post each on Gas versus Shrews matchday, where is Martyn Starnes, Wigan versus Gas matchday, Brexit Britain, EU success stories, and Brentford's stadium. Barton has certainly inspired you. There’s nothing to defend on the latest match thread. The very existence of the club is under threat should certain people on here get their way. So screwed up over Barton’s appointment you would happily see the club fail and the man who is personally bankrolling us gone. I’d say that’s a cause worth commenting on. Again, this thread is ridiculous.
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