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Post by oldie on May 15, 2023 13:33:21 GMT
But again that would be false accounting. In the scenario you paint that would be a creditor on the balance sheet, not a loan. Was more about those quotes on Barton paying for some staff out of his wages. Confused? We are
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Post by droitwichgas on May 15, 2023 13:43:01 GMT
If the original loan was taken out before JB joined the club then how can the present loan also be from him, unless he's just replaced the person who gave us the original loan, or was loaning the club money before he even joined which does seem unlikely.
Perhaps one of the other 200+ employees is loaning the club money, who knows perhaps one of them has wealthy parents or has won the lottery?
I can't see there's any real evidence the loan is from JB?
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Post by oldie on May 15, 2023 13:47:06 GMT
If the original loan was taken out before JB joined the club then how can the present loan also be from him, unless he's just replaced the person who gave us the original loan, or was loaning the club money before he even joined which does seem unlikely. Perhaps one of the other 200+ employees is loaning the club money, who knows perhaps one of them has wealthy parents or has won the lottery? I can't see there's any real evidence the loan is from JB? Swiss has already broken down the timeline and value progression of this / these loan(s)
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Post by Bath Gas on May 15, 2023 14:43:26 GMT
Either way, we don't know what the arrangements are, so no idea if it doesn't put the club in a good light. We have no proof of regs not being adhered to etc. I speculated that "working for free" meant that he put his wages to use by paying staff - it is pure speculation on my part, more than likely I am wrong. I would expect somebody of his wealth to have financially savvy people to advise him. I think any business is shown in a bad light when one of its managers states publicly that he is paying staff out of his own pocket. Most reasonable people would conclude that either the business doesn’t have sufficient funds to pay for the staff itself or the directors of the business have ruled that those staff are not needed and are therefore showing incredible weakness by allowing a manager to override their ruling. Or people may see it as a manager who is prepared to dip into his own pocket to bring quality people to the backroom staff. It doesn't reflect badly on the club, as it is known that the the budget the manager has is comparable to other teams in the same league, It shows that he wants to have a set up similar to that which he has experienced at higher league clubs, and is prepared to put his money where his mouth is to achieve it. Some people just enjoy having a half empty glass.
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Post by oldie on May 15, 2023 14:53:26 GMT
I think any business is shown in a bad light when one of its managers states publicly that he is paying staff out of his own pocket. Most reasonable people would conclude that either the business doesn’t have sufficient funds to pay for the staff itself or the directors of the business have ruled that those staff are not needed and are therefore showing incredible weakness by allowing a manager to override their ruling. Or people may see it as a manager who is prepared to dip into his own pocket to bring quality people to the backroom staff. It doesn't reflect badly on the club, as it is known that the the budget the manager has is comparable to other teams in the same league, It shows that he wants to have a set up similar to that which he has experienced at higher league clubs, and is prepared to put his money where his mouth is to achieve it. Some people just enjoy having a half empty glass. With respect Bath, you do sound a little besotted (less so than our resident sycophant admittedly) In any professionally run organisation you can't have managers running around employing people they feel like. I would, in rebuttal, suggest this. Barton believes he is a Premier League quality manager and coach. To supplement this delusion he surrounds himself with the coaching staff that goes with that position. But the club can in no way afford it, so he (may well be) pays for that himself. It's like a drug, it makes you feel better about yourself. God help his Psyche if he fails next season....if any of that is true
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Post by baselswh on May 15, 2023 15:45:31 GMT
Or people may see it as a manager who is prepared to dip into his own pocket to bring quality people to the backroom staff. It doesn't reflect badly on the club, as it is known that the the budget the manager has is comparable to other teams in the same league, It shows that he wants to have a set up similar to that which he has experienced at higher league clubs, and is prepared to put his money where his mouth is to achieve it. Some people just enjoy having a half empty glass. With respect Bath, you do sound a little besotted (less so than our resident sycophant admittedly) In any professionally run organisation you can't have managers running around employing people they feel like. I would, in rebuttal, suggest this. Barton believes he is a Premier League quality manager and coach. To supplement this delusion he surrounds himself with the coaching staff that goes with that position. But the club can in no way afford it, so he (may well be) pays for that himself. It's like a drug, it makes you feel better about yourself. God help his Psyche if he fails next season....if any of that is true Absolute rubbish. Amateur psychiatry from our resident narcissistic,intellectual snob. Hates JB.Did'nt even play in the amateur game,so has never been in a fc.
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Post by laughinggas on May 15, 2023 15:56:06 GMT
With respect Bath, you do sound a little besotted (less so than our resident sycophant admittedly) In any professionally run organisation you can't have managers running around employing people they feel like. I would, in rebuttal, suggest this. Barton believes he is a Premier League quality manager and coach. To supplement this delusion he surrounds himself with the coaching staff that goes with that position. But the club can in no way afford it, so he (may well be) pays for that himself. It's like a drug, it makes you feel better about yourself. God help his Psyche if he fails next season....if any of that is true Absolute rubbish. Amateur psychiatry from our resident narcissistic,intellectual snob. Hates JB.Did'nt even play in the amateur game,so has never been in a fc. In any other world you cannot just give a job to someone. Very nice sentiment to give Coutts a coaching job but us their a vacancy? If there is is he best man for the job?
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Post by baselswh on May 15, 2023 16:25:06 GMT
Absolute rubbish. Amateur psychiatry from our resident narcissistic,intellectual snob. Hates JB.Did'nt even play in the amateur game,so has never been in a fc.Piss. In any other world you cannot just give a job to someone. Very nice sentiment to give Coutts a coaching job but us their a vacancy? If there is is he best man for the job? I don't know. All inappropriate questions.
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Post by oldie on May 15, 2023 17:35:33 GMT
In any other world you cannot just give a job to someone. Very nice sentiment to give Coutts a coaching job but us their a vacancy? If there is is he best man for the job? I don't know. All inappropriate questions. Nice...
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Post by oldie on May 15, 2023 17:35:56 GMT
With respect Bath, you do sound a little besotted (less so than our resident sycophant admittedly) In any professionally run organisation you can't have managers running around employing people they feel like. I would, in rebuttal, suggest this. Barton believes he is a Premier League quality manager and coach. To supplement this delusion he surrounds himself with the coaching staff that goes with that position. But the club can in no way afford it, so he (may well be) pays for that himself. It's like a drug, it makes you feel better about yourself. God help his Psyche if he fails next season....if any of that is true Absolute rubbish. Amateur psychiatry from our resident narcissistic,intellectual snob. Hates JB.Did'nt even play in the amateur game,so has never been in a fc. Suits you sir
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Post by droitwichgas on May 15, 2023 18:11:17 GMT
If the original loan was taken out before JB joined the club then how can the present loan also be from him, unless he's just replaced the person who gave us the original loan, or was loaning the club money before he even joined which does seem unlikely. Perhaps one of the other 200+ employees is loaning the club money, who knows perhaps one of them has wealthy parents or has won the lottery? I can't see there's any real evidence the loan is from JB? Swiss has already broken down the timeline and value progression of this / these loan(s) Hence my post, Swiss has confirmed the original loan was well before JB joined the club, so who loaned the club the original £300K and has that ever been paid back, or is that now part of the present £700K loan. It seems posters are criticising JB for lending the club money to employ coaching staff when we've no real idea if he's the one doing the lending. It would make more sense if the person who loaned the original £300K as now increased the sum loaned to £700K than the original loan being paid off and JB now loaning the club £700K, unless Wael has managed to employ two of the most generous managers in football!! Although why as employee(s) needs to loan the club such vast sums of money is a complete mystery.
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Post by Cheshiregas on May 15, 2023 18:40:59 GMT
With respect Bath, you do sound a little besotted (less so than our resident sycophant admittedly) In any professionally run organisation you can't have managers running around employing people they feel like. I would, in rebuttal, suggest this. Barton believes he is a Premier League quality manager and coach. To supplement this delusion he surrounds himself with the coaching staff that goes with that position. But the club can in no way afford it, so he (may well be) pays for that himself. It's like a drug, it makes you feel better about yourself. God help his Psyche if he fails next season....if any of that is true Absolute rubbish. Amateur psychiatry from our resident narcissistic,intellectual snob. Hates JB.Did'nt even play in the amateur game,so has never been in a fc. All - please don't start the name calling!
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Post by oldie on May 15, 2023 18:41:53 GMT
Swiss has already broken down the timeline and value progression of this / these loan(s) Hence my post, Swiss has confirmed the original loan was well before JB joined the club, so who loaned the club the original £300K and has that ever been paid back, or is that now part of the present £700K loan. It seems posters are criticising JB for lending the club money to employ coaching staff when we've no real idea if he's the one doing the lending. It would make more sense if the person who loaned the original £300K as now increased the sum loaned to £700K than the original loan being paid off and JB now loaning the club £700K, unless Wael has managed to employ two of the most generous managers in football!! Although why as employee(s) needs to loan the club such vast sums of money is a complete mystery. Not quite. The loan appeared in the accounts (as I understand Swiss's post) the very year he joined the club
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Post by oldie on May 15, 2023 18:42:34 GMT
Absolute rubbish. Amateur psychiatry from our resident narcissistic,intellectual snob. Hates JB.Did'nt even play in the amateur game,so has never been in a fc. All - please don't start the name calling! It's only one person doing this Cheshire.
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Post by Bath Gas on May 15, 2023 18:51:22 GMT
Or people may see it as a manager who is prepared to dip into his own pocket to bring quality people to the backroom staff. It doesn't reflect badly on the club, as it is known that the the budget the manager has is comparable to other teams in the same league, It shows that he wants to have a set up similar to that which he has experienced at higher league clubs, and is prepared to put his money where his mouth is to achieve it. Some people just enjoy having a half empty glass. With respect Bath, you do sound a little besotted (less so than our resident sycophant admittedly) In any professionally run organisation you can't have managers running around employing people they feel like. I would, in rebuttal, suggest this. Barton believes he is a Premier League quality manager and coach. To supplement this delusion he surrounds himself with the coaching staff that goes with that position. But the club can in no way afford it, so he (may well be) pays for that himself. It's like a drug, it makes you feel better about yourself. God help his Psyche if he fails next season....if any of that is true With respect, he may well have discussed the person/people concerned with Wael/TG to seek their agreement, and put forward the offer to fund the wages himself. That would hardly be running around and employing people because he felt like it. I would, in rebuttal, state that players have commented on how professional the backroom staff brought in by Mr Barton are, and that there has been an improvement in the standard of staff who now deal with the players.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 15, 2023 18:51:26 GMT
Hence my post, Swiss has confirmed the original loan was well before JB joined the club, so who loaned the club the original £300K and has that ever been paid back, or is that now part of the present £700K loan. It seems posters are criticising JB for lending the club money to employ coaching staff when we've no real idea if he's the one doing the lending. It would make more sense if the person who loaned the original £300K as now increased the sum loaned to £700K than the original loan being paid off and JB now loaning the club £700K, unless Wael has managed to employ two of the most generous managers in football!! Although why as employee(s) needs to loan the club such vast sums of money is a complete mystery. Not quite. The loan appeared in the accounts (as I understand Swiss's post) the very year he joined the club ".......but according to the 2021 accounts £ 290 000 was owed to key management personnel at 30.06.20 well before JB arrived"
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Post by baselswh on May 15, 2023 19:21:34 GMT
Or people may see it as a manager who is prepared to dip into his own pocket to bring quality people to the backroom staff. It doesn't reflect badly on the club, as it is known that the the budget the manager has is comparable to other teams in the same league, It shows that he wants to have a set up similar to that which he has experienced at higher league clubs, and is prepared to put his money where his mouth is to achieve it. Some people just enjoy having a half empty glass. With respect Bath, you do sound a little besotted (less so than our resident sycophant admittedly) In any professionally run organisation you can't have managers running around employing people they feel like. I would, in rebuttal, suggest this. Barton believes he is a Premier League quality manager and coach. To supplement this delusion he surrounds himself with the coaching staff that goes with that position. But the club can in no way afford it, so he (may well be) pays for that himself. It's like a drug, it makes you feel better about yourself. God help his Psyche if he fails next season....if any of that is true Completely ridiculous. Rude.Arrogant.Hateful.Patronising. I mean read it. Utter pseudo intellectual drivel.
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Post by alanrg on May 15, 2023 19:27:01 GMT
People have got short memories on this forum when Gerry Francis was the manager he paid £10000 out of his own money to bring Ian Holloway back to the club
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Post by baselswh on May 15, 2023 19:28:55 GMT
People have got short memories on this forum when Gerry Francis was the manager he paid £10000 out of his own money to bring Ian Holloway back to the club I thought the same alanrg. I think it was a loan,not sure.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 19:46:48 GMT
Or people may see it as a manager who is prepared to dip into his own pocket to bring quality people to the backroom staff. It doesn't reflect badly on the club, as it is known that the the budget the manager has is comparable to other teams in the same league, It shows that he wants to have a set up similar to that which he has experienced at higher league clubs, and is prepared to put his money where his mouth is to achieve it. Some people just enjoy having a half empty glass. With respect Bath, you do sound a little besotted (less so than our resident sycophant admittedly) In any professionally run organisation you can't have managers running around employing people they feel like.I would, in rebuttal, suggest this. Barton believes he is a Premier League quality manager and coach. To supplement this delusion he surrounds himself with the coaching staff that goes with that position. But the club can in no way afford it, so he (may well be) pays for that himself. It's like a drug, it makes you feel better about yourself. God help his Psyche if he fails next season....if any of that is true
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