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Post by Cheshiregas on Feb 18, 2023 13:36:05 GMT
Statistics against belief/opinion. So you are saying, if I read your first line correctly Epping should take into account potential when making a comment. Bigger picture, JB didn't save us from relegation and didn't look as if we trying. He got us back to where we were. Some of the recent games have been shocking, I have seen with my own eyes! However you seem to be saying if we believe JB is going to give us a storming second half of the season, in spite of what we have seen recently, then we will be in the play offs or promoted. We only have to have faith! And if it fails it won't be down to the points lost, it will be only because we didn't have enough faith, we didn't believe strong enough. Got you. So please, so we can have faith, can you tell us what the bigger picture is please? Thanks Bas I have to walk the dog then head up the hill to the Mem Chesh.I'll answer later on. Just as abit of fun and from a former chorister,I thought you were into "faith". Can Epping even remember how to get to the Mem? 🙂 Edit.I suppose the question of faith is an easy one for you,as JB is'nt God. Or is he?😉 I am strong on faith Bas indeed as you say!! As some might say, Joey isn't the Messiah, he's just a very naughty boy! Enjoy your walk and [hopefully] the game, Bas!
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 18, 2023 13:40:55 GMT
On judging how well a Manager has done, is doing and potentially will do, there is blatantly more to consider than statistics.
Your sarcasm and refusal to take in the bigger picture is easy to spot. The case you've put forward for sacking JB is still pitifully weak. Statistics against belief/opinion. So you are saying, if I read your first line correctly Epping should take into account potential when making a comment. Bigger picture, JB didn't save us from relegation and didn't look as if we trying. He got us back to where we were. Some of the recent games have been shocking, I have seen with my own eyes! However you seem to be saying if we believe JB is going to give us a storming second half of the season, in spite of what we have seen recently, then we will be in the play offs or promoted. We only have to have faith! And if it fails it won't be down to the points lost, it will be only because we didn't have enough faith, we didn't believe strong enough. Got you. So please, so we can have faith, can you tell us what the bigger picture is please? Thanks Bas The bigger picture (for some) would appear to be that everything on and off the field is flipping marvellous and progressing well. And we should thank St Barton of Huyton for that. All this vision of loveliness requires is total and utter blind faith in Joey Barton and Eddie Jennings. Hey, it works for some.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 18, 2023 13:52:34 GMT
The single most important thing in football Bas, is a statistic. It is the "points gained at the end of a season" statistic. Bear with me here, it gets pretty complicated. If Rovers obtain "lots of points", then they may gain promotion (or a play off place). If Rovers "don't get many points", then they may be in danger of relegation. Therefore keeping a close eye on the points per game statistic (whether current, or historic) is absolutely fundamental to evaluating the performance of the Football Club. Is it not? On judging how well a Manager has done,is doing and potentially will do,there is blatantly more to consider than statistics. Your sarcasm and refusal to take in the bigger picture is easy to spot. The case you've put forward for sacking JB is still pitifully weak. I don't think I have tried to put forward a case for sacking Barton. Where did I say that exactly? Do I think he is unfit to manage Bristol Rovers. Yes 100%. One more time Bas - would it be possible to extricate a simple "yes" or "no" answer to the following question? Keeping a close eye on the points per game statistic (whether current, or historic) is absolutely fundamental to evaluating the performance of the Football Club. Is it not? As for sarcasm, guilty as charged. Some say that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Some say people tailor their wit to suit their audience.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Feb 18, 2023 18:45:07 GMT
May as well stick this here as someone on the OF was asking for managerial stats for comparison purposes.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Feb 18, 2023 18:46:28 GMT
In 2022 I believe that Joey Barton’s Bristol Rovers were in the top five of most points gained in the EFL, during that calendar year. So from that statistic would you confirm that Joey Barton is fit to manage Bristol Rovers? But in tier 4. Can he produce that, higher up ? I honestly don’t know the answer to that KP but hope that he can, although todays performance doesn’t give me confidence.
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 18, 2023 21:00:26 GMT
The single most important thing in football Bas, is a statistic. It is the "points gained at the end of a season" statistic. Bear with me here, it gets pretty complicated. If Rovers obtain "lots of points", then they may gain promotion (or a play off place). If Rovers "don't get many points", then they may be in danger of relegation. Therefore keeping a close eye on the points per game statistic (whether current, or historic) is absolutely fundamental to evaluating the performance of the Football Club. Is it not? In 2022 I believe that Joey Barton’s Bristol Rovers were in the top five of most points gained in the EFL, during that calendar year. So from that statistic would you confirm that Joey Barton is fit to manage Bristol Rovers? League Two statistics from 2022 are not allowed to be included when judging Barton, as they don't fit the narrative.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Feb 18, 2023 21:59:52 GMT
In 2022 I believe that Joey Barton’s Bristol Rovers were in the top five of most points gained in the EFL, during that calendar year. So from that statistic would you confirm that Joey Barton is fit to manage Bristol Rovers? League Two statistics from 2022 are not allowed to be included when judging Barton, as they don't fit the narrative. The narrative being we are in league 1 at the moment and need to beat some other league 1 sides to stay in league 1 this season otherwise we will be back in league 2 next season.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 18, 2023 22:21:48 GMT
League Two statistics from 2022 are not allowed to be included when judging Barton, as they don't fit the narrative. The narrative being we are in league 1 at the moment and need to beat some other league 1 sides to stay in league 1 this season otherwise we will be back in league 2 next season. Bamber - you miss the point (excuse the pun) entirely. When we are back in League 2 with Barton at the helm, he should be able to increase his points per game average! Due to the fact we will be playing substantially worse opposition. You just don't get it, do you?
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 18, 2023 22:25:26 GMT
Let's keep this ppg debate going, and get it bang up to date. Current form, 6 games, ppg 0.167. Have some faith, you fools.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Feb 18, 2023 22:55:00 GMT
The narrative being we are in league 1 at the moment and need to beat some other league 1 sides to stay in league 1 this season otherwise we will be back in league 2 next season. Bamber - you miss the point (excuse the pun) entirely. When we are back in League 2 with Barton at the helm, he should be able to increase his points per game average! Due to the fact we will be playing substantially worse opposition. You just don't get it, do you? LOL. I needed that.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Feb 18, 2023 22:56:40 GMT
We're stuck with Barton until he has had enough whether we like it or not.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 19, 2023 1:09:05 GMT
On judging how well a Manager has done, is doing and potentially will do, there is blatantly more to consider than statistics.
Your sarcasm and refusal to take in the bigger picture is easy to spot. The case you've put forward for sacking JB is still pitifully weak. Statistics against belief/opinion. So you are saying, if I read your first line correctly Epping should take into account potential when making a comment. Bigger picture, JB didn't save us from relegation and didn't look as if we trying. He got us back to where we were. Some of the recent games have been shocking, I have seen with my own eyes! However you seem to be saying if we believe JB is going to give us a storming second half of the season, in spite of what we have seen recently, then we will be in the play offs or promoted. We only have to have faith! And if it fails it won't be down to the points lost, it will be only because we didn't have enough faith, we didn't believe strong enough. Got you. So please, so we can have faith, can you tell us what the bigger picture is please? Thanks Bas Bas’ world is just like that of Will Ferrell in Elf. If we all believe in Barton no matter what our eyes see and our ears hear then everything will be great and we will all live happily ever after. There is no bigger picture. Everything hangs off blind faith
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Post by TaiwanGas on Feb 19, 2023 9:00:06 GMT
Statistics against belief/opinion. So you are saying, if I read your first line correctly Epping should take into account potential when making a comment. Bigger picture, JB didn't save us from relegation and didn't look as if we trying. He got us back to where we were. Some of the recent games have been shocking, I have seen with my own eyes! However you seem to be saying if we believe JB is going to give us a storming second half of the season, in spite of what we have seen recently, then we will be in the play offs or promoted. We only have to have faith! And if it fails it won't be down to the points lost, it will be only because we didn't have enough faith, we didn't believe strong enough. Got you. So please, so we can have faith, can you tell us what the bigger picture is please? Thanks Bas Bas’ world is just like that of Will Ferrell in Elf. If we all believe in Barton no matter what our eyes see and our ears hear then everything will be great and we will all live happily ever after. There is no bigger picture. Everything hangs off blind faith Not sure it’s blind faith Smeg’s, but your analogy to Elf and Bas is well worthy of a chuckle or three. I do think Bas is just winding up the non believers, he want’s what‘s best for Rovers, as do we all. Me, I just think Barton should never have been employed, shockingly, shockingly bad move from Wael, Sorry Bas’elf.
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Post by lostinspace on Feb 19, 2023 9:11:29 GMT
So having achieved virtually diddly squat at Fleetwood and well on the way to achieving the same here...is it a sign that he is not among those professional footballers who can ( and there are very few) make a mark in the upper echelons of the FL
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Post by lostinspace on Feb 19, 2023 9:11:39 GMT
So having achieved virtually diddly squat at Fleetwood and well on the way to achieving the same here...is it a sign that he is not among those professional footballers who can ( and there are very few) make a mark in the upper echelons of the FL
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 19, 2023 9:30:27 GMT
So having achieved virtually diddly squat at Fleetwood and well on the way to achieving the same here...is it a sign that he is not among those professional footballers who can ( and there are very few) make a mark in the upper echelons of the FL To give some parity, his team was doing well up until he, bizarrely, decided that the goalkeeper needed changing. I know there have been injuries too but it seems that the GK situation I’d the one that had the biggest effect and has seen the team change, completely, from high press battlers, to hardly putting passes together and playing awful football. Something needs doing and quickly
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 19, 2023 12:32:58 GMT
Bas’ world is just like that of Will Ferrell in Elf. If we all believe in Barton no matter what our eyes see and our ears hear then everything will be great and we will all live happily ever after. There is no bigger picture. Everything hangs off blind faith Not sure it’s blind faith Smeg’s, but your analogy to Elf and Bas is well worthy of a chuckle or three. I do think Bas is just winding up the non believers, he want’s what‘s best for Rovers, as do we all.  Me, I just think Barton should never have been employed, shockingly, shockingly bad move from Wael, Sorry Bas’elf. Totally agree Taiwan. If it is intended to be a wind up it is backfiring badly. Bas’ total evangelism over Barton and his unwillingness to question decisions that look to most rational observers to be strange makes him appear to be deluded at best and sinister at worst. I also think it was another terrible recruitment error from our owner. More so because I don't think he is anywhere near as good a manager as he thinks he is, but I also don’t like the baggage that comes with him. The past 2 yrs since his appointment have been a roller coaster ride for sure. The best bits have been exciting but there have also been lots of anticlimaxes too. I’ve also got a feeling in my bones that he is never far from activating a hair trigger temper. Pretty certain that there will be at least one more controversy that he is front bang and centre of before his time here is done. On balance I don’t think this ride is worth the admission fee
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 19, 2023 12:35:35 GMT
We're stuck with Barton until he has had enough whether we like it or not. Unfortunately yes. He seems to have too much a hold over Wael and/or the club to be held to account for performance
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Post by bondigas on Feb 19, 2023 21:04:25 GMT
With the injury news about Rossiter does Eddy Jennings only recruit and sign players from A&E wards throughout the UK ?
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Feb 20, 2023 6:23:16 GMT
QPR have sacked their manager. Just a thought
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