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Post by rideintothesun on Feb 20, 2023 9:23:24 GMT
'Nobody's died of cancer.'
After your squad shave their hair off to shop solidarity with a teammate who is currently receiving treatment for cancer. You really can be a thoughtless and tactless idiot JB - this is somehow more offensive than your Holocaust remark.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 20, 2023 12:46:25 GMT
We're stuck with Barton until he has had enough whether we like it or not. I’m not advocating any change at the moment by the way but… I’m not sure that’s true Bamber. Presumably if we sacked JB then he would go. We would be liable for meeting any contractual commitments with him. We haven’t sacked any of his henchmen so they stay. If they don’t like it and choose to resign that is their right but we would not be liable for any of their costs in that situation. Of course that’s not to say what mischief they might cause!! 😉 Needless to say I may be wrong about what contractual commitments we have made with them and what is in the fine print! UTG!
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Feb 20, 2023 15:51:59 GMT
We're stuck with Barton until he has had enough whether we like it or not. I’m not advocating any change at the moment by the way but… I’m not sure that’s true Bamber. Presumably if we sacked JB then he would go. We would be liable for meeting any contractual commitments with him. We haven’t sacked any of his henchmen so they stay. If they don’t like it and choose to resign that is their right but we would not be liable for any of their costs in that situation. Of course that’s not to say what mischief they might cause!! 😉 Needless to say I may be wrong about what contractual commitments we have made with them and what is in the fine print! UTG! As much as I didn't want Barton here in the first place I don't think now is the right time for him to move on, as it would most likely result in relegation with all the upheaval. He must face up to the consequences of his actions and prove he is worthy of being our manager by getting the team and supporters all pulling in the same direction heading upwards not down. If he walks away he is a failure. I cannot see Wael sacking him even if we get relegated. So I think we're stuck with him and I just hope he turns it around.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 20, 2023 15:59:07 GMT
I’m not advocating any change at the moment by the way but… I’m not sure that’s true Bamber. Presumably if we sacked JB then he would go. We would be liable for meeting any contractual commitments with him. We haven’t sacked any of his henchmen so they stay. If they don’t like it and choose to resign that is their right but we would not be liable for any of their costs in that situation. Of course that’s not to say what mischief they might cause!! 😉 Needless to say I may be wrong about what contractual commitments we have made with them and what is in the fine print! UTG! As much as I didn't want Barton here in the first place I don't think now is the right time for him to move on, as it would most likely result in relegation with all the upheaval. He must face up to the consequences of his actions and prove he is worthy of being our manager by getting the team and supporters all pulling in the same direction heading upwards not down. If he walks away he is a failure. I cannot see Wael sacking him even if we get relegated. So I think we're stuck with him and I just hope he turns it around. Yes, that’s why I’m not advocating change either. I thought maybe you thought we were stick with him because of the financial legacy of removing his henchmen as well, which was what I was answering. But from a football perspective you’re right. He won’t walk away, he has nowhere to go or is ever likely to. (Imo!) And, more importantly, from a BRFC pov we would likely get relegated and the good of the club has to be the first consideration. UTG!
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Post by baselswh on Feb 20, 2023 17:43:46 GMT
On judging how well a Manager has done, is doing and potentially will do, there is blatantly more to consider than statistics.
Your sarcasm and refusal to take in the bigger picture is easy to spot. The case you've put forward for sacking JB is still pitifully weak. Statistics against belief/opinion. So you are saying, if I read your first line correctly Epping should take into account potential when making a comment. Bigger picture, JB didn't save us from relegation and didn't look as if we trying. He got us back to where we were. Some of the recent games have been shocking, I have seen with my own eyes! However you seem to be saying if we believe JB is going to give us a storming second half of the season, in spite of what we have seen recently, then we will be in the play offs or promoted. We only have to have faith! And if it fails it won't be down to the points lost, it will be only because we didn't have enough faith, we didn't believe strong enough. Got you. So please, so we can have faith, can you tell us what the bigger picture is please? Thanks Bas Yes Chesh,all who want the best for Rovers should look at a managers potential.Naturally and eventually the bottom line is 'points in the bag'. I certainly hoped for a"storming second half" to the season,but that does'nt look so likely right now.Having said that,maybe,maybe a good week at the Quartrrs and we can do well st Oxford.Maybe. The "bigger picture" and as it comes to mind.... A President that believes in the Manager and willing to back him. The off field team are JB men and therefore a team. Second phase of The Quarters seems to be on the way. The Quarters even as it is is decent. Our coaching is very good.Ask Grant Ward who just arrived from a Championship fc. We have good players to comeback from injury and suspension. The young players will hopefully improve as eg Lofty did. 8000+ attendances. JB is obsessed with 'getting it right'.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Feb 20, 2023 17:44:02 GMT
'Nobody's died of cancer.' After your squad shave their hair off to shop solidarity with a teammate who is currently receiving treatment for cancer. You really can be a thoughtless and tactless idiot JB - this is somehow more offensive than your Holocaust remark. Be fair. He was putting this remark in the context of the struggles that Nick Anderton faces.
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Post by bluetornados on Feb 20, 2023 17:58:55 GMT
Looking at our managers stats makes for the following reading:
Fleetwood P128, W51, D36, L41 = 39.8% Win Rate
BRFC.....P113, W44, D23, L46 = 38.9% Win Rate
By the end of this season his games played will be quite similar to his Fleetwood stint.
Time will tell if our wins improve or the losses get worse in the final 14 games.
Both of which will affect the overall win rate %...
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Post by oldie on Feb 20, 2023 20:12:22 GMT
'Nobody's died of cancer.' After your squad shave their hair off to shop solidarity with a teammate who is currently receiving treatment for cancer. You really can be a thoughtless and tactless idiot JB - this is somehow more offensive than your Holocaust remark. Be fair. He was putting this remark in the context of the struggles that Nick Anderton faces. Be fair?? You what
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 20, 2023 21:02:15 GMT
Be fair. He was putting this remark in the context of the struggles that Nick Anderton faces. Be fair?? You what Maybe you could try it sometime?
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Post by oldie on Feb 20, 2023 21:10:02 GMT
Maybe you could try it sometime? You really think I am not fair? Harsh on occasion, perhaps. But unfair?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 21:18:00 GMT
'Nobody's died of cancer.' After your squad shave their hair off to shop solidarity with a teammate who is currently receiving treatment for cancer. You really can be a thoughtless and tactless idiot JB - this is somehow more offensive than your Holocaust remark. Be fair. He was putting this remark in the context of the struggles that Nick Anderton faces. I care not much for those who take offence: I care much more for those who fear and grieve. I don't think 'died of cancer' was thought through, As Anderton has not, and all hope won't. I rather think it was the ill Thought ramblings of a careless man Unfit to manage Bristol Rovers still.
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Post by oldie on Feb 20, 2023 21:50:29 GMT
Be fair. He was putting this remark in the context of the struggles that Nick Anderton faces. I care not much for those who take offence: I care much more for those who fear and grieve. I don't think 'died of cancer' was thought through, As Anderton has not, and all hope won't. I rather think it was the ill Thought ramblings of a careless man Unfit to manage Bristol Rovers still. "Ill Thought ramblings of a careless man Unfit to manage Bristol Rovers still" Careless is far to kind. To be careless you have to be aware of truth and reality, then be "careless" with that. More to the point, being devoid of empathy, he is most likely to not even understand the reality of his phraseology.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Feb 20, 2023 22:40:52 GMT
Be fair. He was putting this remark in the context of the struggles that Nick Anderton faces. Be fair?? You what I think there is a bit too much feigned outrage for my liking.
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 20, 2023 22:45:19 GMT
Maybe you could try it sometime? You really think I am not fair? Harsh on occasion, perhaps. But unfair? Blinkered, which makes you unfair on occassions.
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 21, 2023 7:32:25 GMT
'Nobody's died of cancer.' After your squad shave their hair off to shop solidarity with a teammate who is currently receiving treatment for cancer. You really can be a thoughtless and tactless idiot JB - this is somehow more offensive than your Holocaust remark. Be fair. He was putting this remark in the context of the struggles that Nick Anderton faces. he did put it in the context of Nick Anderton, but I still found it a bit distasteful personally. I will admit my opinion of Joe Barton may cloud some of my judgement on it, but I still feel you could say much the same thing and even evoke things not being as bad as what Nick Anderton is going through without saying "nobodies dying of cancer" As for Barton's musings in general, I personally wish he would stop rubbishing and talking down the opposition before the match. At the best of times other clubs and other fans delight in sticking it back to you, and I think they enjoy it more when it's Joey Barton saying it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 8:18:54 GMT
Another week of people debating if what Joey Barton said was offensive. He could always, you know, not say things that people might find offensive? You start bringing cancer and the Holocaust into things and these snowflakes get all riled up!
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Post by oldie on Feb 21, 2023 9:55:51 GMT
Another week of people debating if what Joey Barton said was offensive. He could always, you know, not say things that people might find offensive? You start bringing cancer and the Holocaust into things and these snowflakes get all riled up! Ha ha That poorest of all defense, calling people who speak up snowflakes.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 21, 2023 12:42:29 GMT
Another week of people debating if what Joey Barton said was offensive. He could always, you know, not say things that people might find offensive? You start bringing cancer and the Holocaust into things and these snowflakes get all riled up! Ha ha That poorest of all defense, calling people who speak up snowflakes. Tongue in cheek, i am sure
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Post by baselswh on Feb 21, 2023 13:12:53 GMT
A slip of the tongue.
Yet we get all this useless,vindictive spite.
Like a gang of small bullies with a shared agenda,get rid of Barton.
Sadly we've seen this kind of attitude before at Rovers.
Luckily we have a fc owner that knows better.
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Post by alftupper on Feb 21, 2023 13:25:40 GMT
Another week of people debating if what Joey Barton said was offensive. He could always, you know, not say things that people might find offensive? You start bringing cancer and the Holocaust into things and these snowflakes get all riled up! Ha ha That poorest of all defense, calling people who speak up snowflakes. irony detector switched off?
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