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Post by Cheshiregas on Feb 17, 2023 10:28:51 GMT
Hands up all those who have changed their minds since the start of this thread, or indeed the start of the Barton era? Just me and the dear departed Dr F then? Both sides are so entrenched in their positions it’s just ridiculous. One person can get rid of Barton, and as he has been transfixed by JB it ain’t going to happen any time soon. So it’s all just Willy waving really. I have moderated my opinion based on his lack of issues since joining us. I am always willing to believe people can change and to give a 2nd chance The court cases have faded into memory and he seems to control himself although that nearly slipped at the weekend live on radio.... With regards to his football ability, we are back to mid table 3rd Division just below our traditional upper 3rd/lower 2nd division position. The team has played some good passing football at times but I am yet to be convinced that he is the great tactical genius of a coach that some subscribe to. The team has some very good players on their day, although his handling of the goalkeeper situation has not seemed to be the best. But then, we don't know the politics/attitudes behind the scene. I am of course willing to be convinced of a different view if we reach the play offs/Championship
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 17, 2023 11:07:38 GMT
Not hand up here because Barton has only taken us back to where we were when he started.. Untill we are bone fide contesting for promotion and play offs - as back in GC era - I won't be thoroughly convinced about his tenure here and remain objective and relatively neutral. If we don't achieve this, I guess his managerial status will have a sell by date at some point. For better or worse, there's things I think he gets nailed on (most of his signings), things he needs to work on (his public hanging of players and staff) and some a bit of both (game management seeing out matches etc). I'm not going to comment on his life away from Bristol Rovers because that's where the entrenchment primarily lies with some. ...but up until now, 2 years on, we've had some amazing days, some gowdawful ones, but ultimately we are mid table 3rd division competing, but in debt.. Nothing remarkable. True, although I'm enjoying the football which we are (mainly) playing now - it's actually exciting and entertaining, that's not measurable in the way that tables and stats are, however, it is an important factor for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 11:55:37 GMT
Hands up all those who have changed their minds since the start of this thread, or indeed the start of the Barton era? Just me and the dear departed Dr F then? Both sides are so entrenched in their positions it’s just ridiculous. One person can get rid of Barton, and as he has been transfixed by JB it ain’t going to happen any time soon. So it’s all just Willy waving really. Time to grab the Oxford and look up the meaning of forum again!
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 17, 2023 12:36:57 GMT
Not hand up here because Barton has only taken us back to where we were when he started.. Untill we are bone fide contesting for promotion and play offs - as back in GC era - I won't be thoroughly convinced about his tenure here and remain objective and relatively neutral. If we don't achieve this, I guess his managerial status will have a sell by date at some point. For better or worse, there's things I think he gets nailed on (most of his signings), things he needs to work on (his public hanging of players and staff) and some a bit of both (game management seeing out matches etc). I'm not going to comment on his life away from Bristol Rovers because that's where the entrenchment primarily lies with some. ...but up until now, 2 years on, we've had some amazing days, some gowdawful ones, but ultimately we are mid table 3rd division competing, but in debt.. Nothing remarkable. Pretty much how I see things too O2.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 17, 2023 12:56:31 GMT
Not hand up here because Barton has only taken us back to where we were when he started.. Untill we are bone fide contesting for promotion and play offs - as back in GC era - I won't be thoroughly convinced about his tenure here and remain objective and relatively neutral. If we don't achieve this, I guess his managerial status will have a sell by date at some point. For better or worse, there's things I think he gets nailed on (most of his signings), things he needs to work on (his public hanging of players and staff) and some a bit of both (game management seeing out matches etc). I'm not going to comment on his life away from Bristol Rovers because that's where the entrenchment primarily lies with some. ...but up until now, 2 years on, we've had some amazing days, some gowdawful ones, but ultimately we are mid table 3rd division competing, but in debt.. Nothing remarkable. True, although I'm enjoying the football which we are (mainly) playing now - it's actually exciting and entertaining, that's not measurable in the way that tables and stats are, however, it is an important factor for me. Sometimes BG, sometimes.... The games I've seen have been a mix of awful and unenjoyable (e.g. Accrington at home) part awful/part excellent (e.g. Charlton away) and mostly excellent (Sheff Weds away - and where even the first 20 mins or so weren't great). I've unfortunately missed the games where we were excellent throughout - perhaps Cheltenham/Burton away? Most games seem to be a Barton season in microcosm - awful in one half due to change of shape/formation/approach and half time adjustment either improves or make things worse. Having said all of this, I think we have a really likeable team, and one that I've never felt loses through lack of effort. I could easily have levelled that charge against some of the teams we have had in the past but not this one. When we get it right we look more than a match for anyone. Just a shame and a mystery to me why we can't achieve this more consistently like we did in the second half of last season when tinkering and changes appeared (to me at least) to be much less, and the team were operating with a system they felt comfortable with. True that we are facing better players in this league, but don't think this can explain the difference totally. Oddly enough the Morecambe game isn't up there for me in the truly terrible performances, though the second half might be. In the first half we were unfortunate to be behind at the break, having had almost complete grip in the middle of the park. Rank bad defending, and inability to turn that possession into clear cut chances cost us dear though. I've seen us play much worse than that overall and get something out of a game, and 5-1 scoreline definitely flattered them, though reflected our inability to defend.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 17, 2023 13:54:43 GMT
Not hand up here because Barton has only taken us back to where we were when he started.. Untill we are bone fide contesting for promotion and play offs - as back in GC era - I won't be thoroughly convinced about his tenure here and remain objective and relatively neutral. If we don't achieve this, I guess his managerial status will have a sell by date at some point. For better or worse, there's things I think he gets nailed on (most of his signings), things he needs to work on (his public hanging of players and staff) and some a bit of both (game management seeing out matches etc). I'm not going to comment on his life away from Bristol Rovers because that's where the entrenchment primarily lies with some. ...but up until now, 2 years on, we've had some amazing days, some gowdawful ones, but ultimately we are mid table 3rd division competing, but in debt.. Nothing remarkable. True, although I'm enjoying the football which we are (mainly) playing now - it's actually exciting and entertaining, that's not measurable in the way that tables and stats are, however, it is an important factor for me. Fair enough, BG. We have played some blinders and Scotty shimmy which he mesmerises per match is just one worthy part of the admission fee alone. But ... I'll hazard a guess you weren't at Accrington or Morecambe? Or, Lincoln, to some extent? If so and you found those entertaining exciting or in any way interesting, we are definitely a bit different.
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Post by swissgas on Feb 17, 2023 16:06:03 GMT
The irony is Bas that about 17 years ago this is exactly the kind of language which would have been launched at you (and me) by the "old guard" which had blind faith in Geoff Dunford and then Nick Higgs and wouldn't have a word said against them. These people were "grateful" for all that Geoff and his family had done and "grateful" for all the money Nick was putting in but couldn't see that their refusal to even look at alternatives was harming Rovers. They called us "negative" and now you are saying that anyone critical of JB is "negative" but is that really correct ? My view is that retreating to a stance where people are called "haters" and told to "f**k off down the Gate" is a signal that the argument is being lost. There is no doubt that quite a few fans don't like JB because of his personality and track record of, let's say, non-conformity but equally there are some Gasheads who don't think he is the right man for the job because of his managerial strategy. I looked at his record at Fleetwood before he joined Rovers and don't think his way of working is a good fit for our club. He builds his teams around his enforcers (Coutts & Finley), experienced players from higher leagues nearing the end of their careeers, players which have come through the ranks at higher league clubs but not made it because of issues he think's he can resolve, players of undoubted quality with serious injury problems which he gambles can be put right and young loan players from higher leagues. This is a very expensive strategy with a lot of waste having to be factored in and the results at Fleetwood were, IMO, not commensurate with the financial risk taken. In 20/21 Fleetwood's total costs were £10 million (Rovers were just under £9 million) and JB's average points per game during his time there was 1.47 giving 68 points per season which would place Fleetwood at 10th-12th in League 1 over the past couple of seasons. I think the Fleetwood owner saw that the strategy was going nowhere and the money he was putting up far outweighed the reward and this is the reason he let JB go. My input last week comparing Rovers to Shrewsbury and Exeter was intended to be positive. If we look at Fleetwood Town and what their owner is trying to achieve we can see he is at a huge disadvantage compared to Rovers. Because we know that if we could get our formula right we could achieve the attendances and commercial income to give us a fighting chance of being sustainable in the Championship whereas for Fleetwood it would take years to build up the fanbase and revenue potential we already have. The problem is that without a completed training ground we can't bring our Academy together or reintroduce a properly managed development squad so our chance of bringing through high quality young players is limited. Likewise our stadium restricts our capacity to generate revenue and until that changes we will continue to be reliant on our owner who, like any owner, has a limit to what he can contribute. My proposal was to actually have a strategy rather than continue to "hit & hope" which has only lead Rovers to keep going round and round in circles. If we found out how to run a mid table League 1 Club on £ 6 million a year instead of £ 9 million a year we would have £3 million a year to invest in infrastructure. And once that infrastructure was in place our "glass ceiling" would disappear so, as we were able to invest more in the team and rise up the leagues, there would be no fear of the future because, with increased attendances bringing greater revenue and the sale of more home grown players bringing windfalls, the process would be to a large extent self financing. The key is to have a plan, be transparent about it, and for everyone connected with Rovers to accept that we may have to make sacrifices in the short term for greater good in the long term. Haha!Those were the days,the 'Rovers civil war'.I was on the losing side and eventually I just accepted Higgsy .I did this because continuing would of actually damaged the fc,rather than help it.I think some were disappointed in me for that, but we were beaten and as I said,to continue would of been detrimental to Rovers. I suppose Higgsy had his moment when we won back our EFL status. Swiss,I don't say all critique of JB is "negative ". Those that for 2 years have criticised JB at every opportunity because they personally don't like him ,I say that is negative,destructive and useless.Their posts read like something from otib,rather than a fellow Gashead saying eg,I think JB got the selection wrong today.I've used the term "Barton haters" because that's exactly what some are.For 2 years they've failed to put their hate to one side. I think i am winning,because I listen to the manager and watch the games.I hear the theory and witness the practice. It's unfortunate that some that sensibly criticise JB and when due give him credit,may of been accused of being a 'Barton hater". By the way,I've not told anyone to f off to Ashton Gate. Regarding signings,Sam Finley has a few years yet (maybe 28 on signing for Gas) ,has'nt he? The injured prone quality signings is a gamble.Maybe Rovers have to throw the dice? The Finley Rossitter was absolutely spot on while it lasted and to be fair,the new pairing of Ward and Bogarde (plus Evans) was very good Tuesday night. I never saw your Shrewsbury post,but your plan sounds okay in theory,but I have faith in the current set up.To a point. As we are,WAQ is happy to pay the bills,so if we eg reach 9th place in the 3rd tier, but it costs £2,000,000 more than Shrews 8th place,then so be it.We'll still hopefully continue on an upwards trajectory, but will the Shrews? Of course the lack of new stadia holds us back. The loan market,what's your view on that Swiss? It's a gamble,but all EFL fcs are at it. It seems to me JB waits until the last day to hopefully sign a couple of 'stars'.To be fair he's been very good at this. The training facilities and coaching are apparently impressive.Loan players happy,most of them. Then,once they've done well at Rovers ,had a few headlines in their name, it makes it difficult to sign them on a fixed deal ,thus strengthening the squad. There's the gamble. Then again,how many players come through the ranks and at what expense? I'm afraid I can't see Quansah or Bogarde signing fixed (£),but maybe Ellery Balcombe might be a possibility. The loan market is now massive,it's not nice,but we're apparently stuck with for the time being. In the scenario 2 of the 5 loan players sign fixed deals,then that might be a decent return. Over 2 or 3 seasons we would be strengthening the squad.Hopefully. Great to see you and Oldie back Bas and it would be good if the others returned too. TTWD could be crusty at times (just like I'm a bit cheesy) but that is no reason to make him persona non gratin. I think loan players should be brought in to enhance the squad not be a key core component. And loaning should be part of a plan to create a balanced and effective squad so the type of players required ought to be identified and negotiations with parent clubs started well before the transfer windows open meaning every option can be explored and we are not left with little choice but to sign last minute gap fillers. All signings are a gamble but there is a big difference between a carefully calculated gamble and an impetuous one and at Rovers I think the word "hopefully" is used far too much.
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Post by baselswh on Feb 17, 2023 16:29:10 GMT
Haha!Those were the days,the 'Rovers civil war'.I was on the losing side and eventually I just accepted Higgsy .I did this because continuing would of actually damaged the fc,rather than help it.I think some were disappointed in me for that, but we were beaten and as I said,to continue would of been detrimental to Rovers. I suppose Higgsy had his moment when we won back our EFL status. Swiss,I don't say all critique of JB is "negative ". Those that for 2 years have criticised JB at every opportunity because they personally don't like him ,I say that is negative,destructive and useless.Their posts read like something from otib,rather than a fellow Gashead saying eg,I think JB got the selection wrong today.I've used the term "Barton haters" because that's exactly what some are.For 2 years they've failed to put their hate to one side. I think i am winning,because I listen to the manager and watch the games.I hear the theory and witness the practice. It's unfortunate that some that sensibly criticise JB and when due give him credit,may of been accused of being a 'Barton hater". By the way,I've not told anyone to f off to Ashton Gate. Regarding signings,Sam Finley has a few years yet (maybe 28 on signing for Gas) ,has'nt he? The injured prone quality signings is a gamble.Maybe Rovers have to throw the dice? The Finley Rossitter was absolutely spot on while it lasted and to be fair,the new pairing of Ward and Bogarde (plus Evans) was very good Tuesday night. I never saw your Shrewsbury post,but your plan sounds okay in theory,but I have faith in the current set up.To a point. As we are,WAQ is happy to pay the bills,so if we eg reach 9th place in the 3rd tier, but it costs £2,000,000 more than Shrews 8th place,then so be it.We'll still hopefully continue on an upwards trajectory, but will the Shrews? Of course the lack of new stadia holds us back. The loan market,what's your view on that Swiss? It's a gamble,but all EFL fcs are at it. It seems to me JB waits until the last day to hopefully sign a couple of 'stars'.To be fair he's been very good at this. The training facilities and coaching are apparently impressive.Loan players happy,most of them. Then,once they've done well at Rovers ,had a few headlines in their name, it makes it difficult to sign them on a fixed deal ,thus strengthening the squad. There's the gamble. Then again,how many players come through the ranks and at what expense? I'm afraid I can't see Quansah or Bogarde signing fixed (£),but maybe Ellery Balcombe might be a possibility. The loan market is now massive,it's not nice,but we're apparently stuck with for the time being. In the scenario 2 of the 5 loan players sign fixed deals,then that might be a decent return. Over 2 or 3 seasons we would be strengthening the squad.Hopefully. Great to see you and Oldie back Bas and it would be good if the others returned too. TTWD could be crusty at times (just like I'm a bit cheesy) but that is no reason to make him persona non gratin. I think loan players should be brought in to enhance the squad not be a key core component. And loaning should be part of a plan to create a balanced and effective squad so the type of players required ought to be identified and negotiations with parent clubs started well before the transfer windows open meaning every option can be explored and we are not left with little choice but to sign last minute gap fillers. All signings are a gamble but there is a big difference between a carefully calculated gamble and an impetuous one and at Rovers I think the word "hopefully" is used far too much. Squad enhancers would probably not make an impact,I don't see the point Swiss. You can't always plan far ahead regarding loan signings.Injured players eg can change things.Eg Rossitter. Good contacts at a few FCs is important. JB has contacts in Merseyside, Lancashire,London and the North East.Absolute footballing hotbeds!They get in touch with Rovers too. It seems the Quarters facility and the coaching there is very good with the 'threat' of next next build phase upon us. As I posted,say a manager makes 5 good loan signings ,with 2 from that 5 signing a fixed deal at the end of the season,then that seems a reasonable return to me. Luckily we do have a manager that' very good at bringing good uns in. Add on a couple of other signings plus youngsters on our books,things start to develope. Thanks for the greetings,yes it would be good to many many more posters return.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 17, 2023 18:10:06 GMT
Great to see you and Oldie back Bas and it would be good if the others returned too. TTWD could be crusty at times (just like I'm a bit cheesy) but that is no reason to make him persona non gratin. I think loan players should be brought in to enhance the squad not be a key core component. And loaning should be part of a plan to create a balanced and effective squad so the type of players required ought to be identified and negotiations with parent clubs started well before the transfer windows open meaning every option can be explored and we are not left with little choice but to sign last minute gap fillers. All signings are a gamble but there is a big difference between a carefully calculated gamble and an impetuous one and at Rovers I think the word "hopefully" is used far too much. Squad enhancers would probably not make an impact,I don't see the point Swiss. You can't always plan far ahead regarding loan signings.Injured players eg can change things.Eg Rossitter. Good contacts at a few FCs is important. JB has contacts in Merseyside, Lancashire,London and the North East.Absolute footballing hotbeds!They get in touch with Rovers too. It seems the Quarters facility and the coaching there is very good with the 'threat' of next next build phase upon us. As I posted,say a manager makes 5 good loan signings ,with 2 from that 5 signing a fixed deal at the end of the season,then that seems a reasonable return to me. Luckily we do have a manager that' very good at bringing good uns in. Add on a couple of other signings plus youngsters on our books,things start to develope. Thanks for the greetings,yes it would be good to many many more posters return. All good points from both posts but when you make the signings you will not get any guarantees that players are going to do well or make a difference. Lots of players can come with glowing reports and who were permanents, Westbrooke for example who can disappoint. Yet others who’ve come on loan have made a real difference even if they were not received too enthusiastically, Rory G, even JCH (lots of moans on the forums when he signed at the last moment) and even Elliott A. Great signing in the end was Elliott but at the time everyone talking down a very young player for some of the reasons you’ve said. I guess in the end you have to trust the manager ro know where the gaps are and to fill those gaps the best way he can, irrespective of whether they are loans or permanents. Obviously if they are permanents they belong to us so probably better but loans are fine esp if they help the final table position to be high. UTG!
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 17, 2023 19:03:24 GMT
True, although I'm enjoying the football which we are (mainly) playing now - it's actually exciting and entertaining, that's not measurable in the way that tables and stats are, however, it is an important factor for me. Fair enough, BG. We have played some blinders and Scotty shimmy which he mesmerises per match is just one worthy part of the admission fee alone. But ... I'll hazard a guess you weren't at Accrington or Morecambe? Or, Lincoln, to some extent? If so and you found those entertaining exciting or in any way interesting, we are definitely a bit different. I did say 'which we are "mainly" playing' - there have been a few nightmares in the mix! Until the recent bad run, if we went 1-0 down, I always had faith that we'd pull some goals back, which we were doing. I hope that we can get back on that track, there were some green shoots on Tuesday, so, fingers crossed.
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Post by bondigas on Feb 17, 2023 21:01:25 GMT
Always good to read in Bartons interview with the Bristol Post puppet this afternoon that he's given the Burton Albion players their pre match gee up !
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 18, 2023 10:28:21 GMT
As per my earlier message to you Bas. Why don't you put together some of your own 'selective stats' and share your Barton worshipping conclusions with us? Thanks in advance. I think most know full well that there is so much more to professional football than statistics. The single most important thing in football Bas, is a statistic. It is the "points gained at the end of a season" statistic. Bear with me here, it gets pretty complicated. If Rovers obtain "lots of points", then they may gain promotion (or a play off place). If Rovers "don't get many points", then they may be in danger of relegation. Therefore keeping a close eye on the points per game statistic (whether current, or historic) is absolutely fundamental to evaluating the performance of the Football Club. Is it not?
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Post by oldie on Feb 18, 2023 10:36:56 GMT
I think most know full well that there is so much more to professional football than statistics. The single most important thing in football Bas, is a statistic. It is the "points gained at the end of a season" statistic. Bear with me here, it gets pretty complicated. If Rovers obtain "lots of points", then they may gain promotion (or a play off place). If Rovers "don't get many points", then they may be in danger of relegation. Therefore keeping a close eye on the points per game statistic (whether current, or historic) is absolutely fundamental to evaluating the performance of the Football Club. Is it not? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by baselswh on Feb 18, 2023 11:01:20 GMT
I think most know full well that there is so much more to professional football than statistics. The single most important thing in football Bas, is a statistic. It is the "points gained at the end of a season" statistic. Bear with me here, it gets pretty complicated. If Rovers obtain "lots of points", then they may gain promotion (or a play off place). If Rovers "don't get many points", then they may be in danger of relegation. Therefore keeping a close eye on the points per game statistic (whether current, or historic) is absolutely fundamental to evaluating the performance of the Football Club. Is it not? On judging how well a Manager has done,is doing and potentially will do,there is blatantly more to consider than statistics. Your sarcasm and refusal to take in the bigger picture is easy to spot. The case you've put forward for sacking JB is still pitifully weak.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Feb 18, 2023 11:10:56 GMT
I think most know full well that there is so much more to professional football than statistics. The single most important thing in football Bas, is a statistic. It is the "points gained at the end of a season" statistic. Bear with me here, it gets pretty complicated. If Rovers obtain "lots of points", then they may gain promotion (or a play off place). If Rovers "don't get many points", then they may be in danger of relegation. Therefore keeping a close eye on the points per game statistic (whether current, or historic) is absolutely fundamental to evaluating the performance of the Football Club. Is it not? In 2022 I believe that Joey Barton’s Bristol Rovers were in the top five of most points gained in the EFL, during that calendar year. So from that statistic would you confirm that Joey Barton is fit to manage Bristol Rovers?
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Post by The Concept on Feb 18, 2023 12:43:24 GMT
I think for some the meaning of the word 'fit', or 'unfit', in this particular case, has been lost along the way of the 150 odd pages or so.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Feb 18, 2023 12:49:47 GMT
The single most important thing in football Bas, is a statistic. It is the "points gained at the end of a season" statistic. Bear with me here, it gets pretty complicated. If Rovers obtain "lots of points", then they may gain promotion (or a play off place). If Rovers "don't get many points", then they may be in danger of relegation. Therefore keeping a close eye on the points per game statistic (whether current, or historic) is absolutely fundamental to evaluating the performance of the Football Club. Is it not? On judging how well a Manager has done, is doing and potentially will do, there is blatantly more to consider than statistics.
Your sarcasm and refusal to take in the bigger picture is easy to spot. The case you've put forward for sacking JB is still pitifully weak. Statistics against belief/opinion. So you are saying, if I read your first line correctly Epping should take into account potential when making a comment. Bigger picture, JB didn't save us from relegation and didn't look as if we trying. He got us back to where we were. Some of the recent games have been shocking, I have seen with my own eyes! However you seem to be saying if we believe JB is going to give us a storming second half of the season, in spite of what we have seen recently, then we will be in the play offs or promoted. We only have to have faith! And if it fails it won't be down to the points lost, it will be only because we didn't have enough faith, we didn't believe strong enough. Got you. So please, so we can have faith, can you tell us what the bigger picture is please? Thanks Bas
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Post by baselswh on Feb 18, 2023 13:00:51 GMT
On judging how well a Manager has done, is doing and potentially will do, there is blatantly more to consider than statistics.
Your sarcasm and refusal to take in the bigger picture is easy to spot. The case you've put forward for sacking JB is still pitifully weak. Statistics against belief/opinion. So you are saying, if I read your first line correctly Epping should take into account potential when making a comment. Bigger picture, JB didn't save us from relegation and didn't look as if we trying. He got us back to where we were. Some of the recent games have been shocking, I have seen with my own eyes! However you seem to be saying if we believe JB is going to give us a storming second half of the season, in spite of what we have seen recently, then we will be in the play offs or promoted. We only have to have faith! And if it fails it won't be down to the points lost, it will be only because we didn't have enough faith, we didn't believe strong enough. Got you. So please, so we can have faith, can you tell us what the bigger picture is please? Thanks Bas I have to walk the dog then head up the hill to the Mem Chesh.I'll answer later on. Just as abit of fun and from a former chorister,I thought you were into "faith". Can Epping even remember how to get to the Mem? 🙂 Edit.I suppose the question of faith is an easy one for you,as JB is'nt God. Or is he?😉
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 18, 2023 13:08:44 GMT
Haha!Those were the days,the 'Rovers civil war'.I was on the losing side and eventually I just accepted Higgsy .I did this because continuing would of actually damaged the fc,rather than help it.I think some were disappointed in me for that, but we were beaten and as I said,to continue would of been detrimental to Rovers. I suppose Higgsy had his moment when we won back our EFL status. Swiss,I don't say all critique of JB is "negative ". Those that for 2 years have criticised JB at every opportunity because they personally don't like him ,I say that is negative,destructive and useless.Their posts read like something from otib,rather than a fellow Gashead saying eg,I think JB got the selection wrong today.I've used the term "Barton haters" because that's exactly what some are.For 2 years they've failed to put their hate to one side. I think i am winning,because I listen to the manager and watch the games.I hear the theory and witness the practice. It's unfortunate that some that sensibly criticise JB and when due give him credit,may of been accused of being a 'Barton hater". By the way,I've not told anyone to f off to Ashton Gate. Regarding signings,Sam Finley has a few years yet (maybe 28 on signing for Gas) ,has'nt he? The injured prone quality signings is a gamble.Maybe Rovers have to throw the dice? The Finley Rossitter was absolutely spot on while it lasted and to be fair,the new pairing of Ward and Bogarde (plus Evans) was very good Tuesday night. I never saw your Shrewsbury post,but your plan sounds okay in theory,but I have faith in the current set up.To a point. As we are,WAQ is happy to pay the bills,so if we eg reach 9th place in the 3rd tier, but it costs £2,000,000 more than Shrews 8th place,then so be it.We'll still hopefully continue on an upwards trajectory, but will the Shrews? Of course the lack of new stadia holds us back. The loan market,what's your view on that Swiss? It's a gamble,but all EFL fcs are at it. It seems to me JB waits until the last day to hopefully sign a couple of 'stars'.To be fair he's been very good at this. The training facilities and coaching are apparently impressive.Loan players happy,most of them. Then,once they've done well at Rovers ,had a few headlines in their name, it makes it difficult to sign them on a fixed deal ,thus strengthening the squad. There's the gamble. Then again,how many players come through the ranks and at what expense? I'm afraid I can't see Quansah or Bogarde signing fixed (£),but maybe Ellery Balcombe might be a possibility. The loan market is now massive,it's not nice,but we're apparently stuck with for the time being. In the scenario 2 of the 5 loan players sign fixed deals,then that might be a decent return. Over 2 or 3 seasons we would be strengthening the squad.Hopefully. Great to see you and Oldie back Bas and it would be good if the others returned too. TTWD could be crusty at times (just like I'm a bit cheesy) but that is no reason to make him persona non gratin. I think loan players should be brought in to enhance the squad not be a key core component. And loaning should be part of a plan to create a balanced and effective squad so the type of players required ought to be identified and negotiations with parent clubs started well before the transfer windows open meaning every option can be explored and we are not left with little choice but to sign last minute gap fillers. All signings are a gamble but there is a big difference between a carefully calculated gamble and an impetuous one and at Rovers I think the word "hopefully" is used far too much. TTWD left, he was not banned. I stay in touch and he really does not miss this place but i am hopeful he may return, especially after hearing of two, who have now, thank fully, gone
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 18, 2023 13:12:03 GMT
The single most important thing in football Bas, is a statistic. It is the "points gained at the end of a season" statistic. Bear with me here, it gets pretty complicated. If Rovers obtain "lots of points", then they may gain promotion (or a play off place). If Rovers "don't get many points", then they may be in danger of relegation. Therefore keeping a close eye on the points per game statistic (whether current, or historic) is absolutely fundamental to evaluating the performance of the Football Club. Is it not? In 2022 I believe that Joey Barton’s Bristol Rovers were in the top five of most points gained in the EFL, during that calendar year. So from that statistic would you confirm that Joey Barton is fit to manage Bristol Rovers? But in tier 4. Can he produce that, higher up ?
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