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Post by eppinggas on Feb 16, 2023 14:43:53 GMT
We were in League Two because that was our place in the pecking order at that time, and results should be taken account of. Presumably if we got promoted to the Championship at some point, you would not produce any statistics for the manager in post at that time? Yep,we see some selective stats being posted. As per my earlier message to you Bas. Why don't you put together some of your own 'selective stats' and share your Barton worshipping conclusions with us? Thanks in advance.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 16, 2023 14:45:48 GMT
Page 150. I raise my bat. A ripple of applause (or abuse) emanates from around the boundary.
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Post by oldie on Feb 16, 2023 14:52:24 GMT
Page 150. I raise my bat. A ripple of applause (or abuse) emanates from around the boundary. ššššš
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 16, 2023 14:53:17 GMT
We were in League Two because that was our place in the pecking order at that time, and results should be taken account of. Presumably if we got promoted to the Championship at some point, you would not produce any statistics for the manager in post at that time? Yep,we see some selective stats being posted. What is selective about using the stats comparing the records of managers in League 1 apart form ignoring League 2 stats? Itās comparing like for like surely. So yes they are selective but rightly so to get an accurate comparison of their respective League 1 records. Isnāt it? UTG!
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Post by oldie on Feb 16, 2023 14:56:49 GMT
Yep,we see some selective stats being posted. What is selective about using the stats comparing the records of managers in League 1 apart form ignoring League 2 stats? Itās comparing like for like surely. So yes they are selective but rightly so to get an accurate comparison of their respective League 1 records.Ā Isnāt it? UTG! Not if you wake up each morning, stare at a picture of our manager and put an Aretha Franklin song on. "Say a little prayer for you" (Sorry Cheshš)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2023 15:06:53 GMT
JB's win stats for Fleetwood in League one is 39% incidentally. Pretty decent.
Imagine those stats 'cant be allowed' in this particular debate though.
(Although they might be if Shrews or Exeter )
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 16, 2023 15:13:25 GMT
Oh dear, bemoaning the loss of a poster who was allowed to refer to me as "vile" - that sets the bar rather low. Whoa there Bath Gas! Who called you "vile"? When was that? What was the context? Could it have been perceived as bullying? Was it Reported? It was ages ago, it was describing one of my posts. If I felt strongly about something, I would report it, this happened at a time when emotions were running high, so I felt it was best to ignore it.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 16, 2023 15:30:30 GMT
Its very odd. I find the total and utter negativity of some baffling. Its like they are full of anger and bitterness for all things BRFC, be it the ownership, management, tactics, whatever. It comes over as a wanting to fail in order to say "told you". You have to enjoy the good times and put the bad times in perspective, you have to aim to be Bournemouth or Brentford and enjoy the journey. Enjoy the likes of Scunthorpe, that was right up there, still hard to believe. There is no point not recognising the good times just because we are not at the level we think we should be. Otherwise there is a risk it will all pass you by. Totally baffling. Those that show āutter negativityā are very, very few I would imagine, but like you Iāve no real knowledge of how many that is. My point is that many posters are being characterised as āBarton-hatersā or, at the other end of the line āBarton-loversā. And we get the very few Barton sycophants for whom the man can do no wrong. On both forums it seems there has to be polarised positions when I donāt think many are at the extremes. Pretty sure no one is full of anger and bitterness for all things BRFC. They may be critical of aspects of his management and his personality but have continued to support the team. Attendances have stayed pretty high considering the call on peopleās purses atm. I suspect that although he has undoubtedly divided the fan base opinionwise most will have continued to support the team. You are spot on imo about enjoying the good times and most have continued to do that. Anyone who missed that Scunthorpe match missed a moment in BRFC history but I guess that shows the strength of their feelings. Whatever, very sad. I think JB when he concentrates on the football can be a very good manager but too often gets sidetracked into personal stuff with players as he did very unpleasantly again at Lincoln on Saturday. Why? Now that is certainly baffling. But I am unhappy that BRFC is at a very low place atm in the eyes of the football community at our level. (With the PL and Championship we donāt even register, theyāre not worried about little old BRFC!) So yes,Iām unhappy at many aspects of JBs management. If my staff had gone into the environments of other schools and acted as crassly as JB does on many occasions apart from being totally embarrassed by it, it would likely be a disciplinary matter. (I know others will remind me that football is a different business compared to anything else which I accept. But even soā¦..) Anyway I will be there Saturday against Burton and will support us as I always do and I have my tickets for the FGR away match which Iām looking forward to having missed my usual away games this season because of the train strikes. Iām sure Iām somewhere along that line between the two extremes but after two years I donāt really care. I really have disliked in the past few days how Belshaw has been hung out to dry by some and how now JB has spoken on the other forum fans for whom Belshaw was once spoken of very well is now having other things said about him. Loyal and true eh? Blimey. But Iāve become more immune to his behaviours and now almost accept that JB will be the story not BRFC. Letās hope for good results and performances going forward, concentrate on the football, not the manager or even the goalkeeper! š¤ UTG!
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Post by baselswh on Feb 16, 2023 15:36:11 GMT
What is selective about using the stats comparing the records of managers in League 1 apart form ignoring League 2 stats? Itās comparing like for like surely. So yes they are selective but rightly so to get an accurate comparison of their respective League 1 records.Ā Isnāt it? UTG! Not if you wake up each morning, stare at a picture of our manager and put an Aretha Franklin song on. "Say a little prayer for you" (Sorry Cheshš) Oh it's the narcissistic gaslighter. Not very nice of course as you know full well, "Say a Little Prayer" was one of the recently deceased Bert Bacharach songs,that I put up on the Tune of the Day section of the forum. I'll ignore the faux apology to your Admin mate.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Feb 16, 2023 15:39:24 GMT
Not if you wake up each morning, stare at a picture of our manager and put an Aretha Franklin song on. "Say a little prayer for you" (Sorry Cheshš) Oh it's the narcissistic gaslighter. Not very nice of course as you know full well, "Say a Little Prayer" was one of the recently deceased Bert Bacharach songs,that I put up on the Tune of the Day section of the forum. I'll ignore the faux apology to your Admin mate. Let's not start again please. And Oldie knows I play a straight bat on matters on here so no snide remarks please Bas.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 16, 2023 15:50:58 GMT
Garner should have been given the full season. It was his players (mostly) and they were at least trying to play for him. Garner should never have been appointed in the first place. A terrible decision and would have been out of his depth in a puddle. That being clear should have been sacked far earlier than he actually was, compounding a litany of errors It was just another example of our owner not really knowing what to do and being surrounded by people who first looked after themselves, before the club. The entire blueprint, so i am told, was the owners thought and the talk of DNA and the like was also something he was keen on BUT, it was completely the wrong time to implement it. I know itās easy for me to say but to have undermined GC by having Garner attend games was silly at best and downright rude at worst. I would have hoped we would be past talking about it but it rears itās head, each time we do not perform and the pathological hatred towards Garner is beyond anything i cold believe of true Rovers supporters. He was given a brief of bringing in youth, developing them and selling them on, his budget and salary was not anywhere near high. One could say he was doomed to fail, the real question is why then, why, when we were flying high ? Ah well, time to let go, if only some would allow it
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 16, 2023 16:01:08 GMT
Vindictive, sanctimonious, drivel. No surprise so many no longer post on this forum. Just the other week DrFaustas posted on the other forum ,that he does'nt bother with this one anymore because of the useless negativity posted. Congratulations. Unusually for you that is a pretty accurate and honest self assessment He also posted that both were full of Barton haters, or words to that effect. There really is no pleasing some and i really do not understand the slagging off of this place, if you wish to leave then do so but why then have a dig at the place that you posted for, for years before ?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 16, 2023 16:04:56 GMT
Yes, we've lost some quality posters since the Barton appointment. Vlad, irishrover, thinwhiteduke, sethstarkadder, igitur to name but few - have all walked away or post infrequently now. Abhorrence at the Barton appointment. Others may have left the forum from the obsequious Barton admiration society. Perhaps they are upset by the negativity surrounding the narcissistic, violent, arrogant, delusional, publicity hungry manager. Oh dear, bemoaning the loss of a poster who was allowed to refer to me as "vile" - that sets the bar rather low. Thatās nothing what compared to being called a bunch of p r 1ck 5 bu ITB or gasheads 81 on the other place, vile is really very tame, by comparison
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 16, 2023 16:09:59 GMT
JB's win stats for Fleetwood in League one is 39% incidentally. Pretty decent. Imagine those stats 'cant be allowed' in this particular debate though. (Although they might be if Shrews or Exeter ) Which was finished on a PPG system, due to COVID
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 16, 2023 16:22:41 GMT
Its very odd. I find the total and utter negativity of some baffling. Its like they are full of anger and bitterness for all things BRFC, be it the ownership, management, tactics, whatever. It comes over as a wanting to fail in order to say "told you". You have to enjoy the good times and put the bad times in perspective, you have to aim to be Bournemouth or Brentford and enjoy the journey. Enjoy the likes of Scunthorpe, that was right up there, still hard to believe. There is no point not recognising the good times just because we are not at the level we think we should be. Otherwise there is a risk it will all pass you by. Totally baffling. Those that show āutter negativityā are very, very few I would imagine, but like you Iāve no real knowledge of how many that is. My point is that many posters are being characterised as āBarton-hatersā or, at the other end of the line āBarton-loversā. And we get the very few Barton sycophants for whom the man can do no wrong. On both forums it seems there has to be polarised positions when I donāt think many are at the extremes. Pretty sure no one is full of anger and bitterness for all things BRFC. They may be critical of aspects of his management and his personality but have continued to support the team. Attendances have stayed pretty high considering the call on peopleās purses atm. I suspect that although he has undoubtedly divided the fan base opinionwise most will have continued to support the team. You are spot on imo about enjoying the good times and most have continued to do that. Anyone who missed that Scunthorpe match missed a moment in BRFC history but I guess that shows the strength of their feelings. Whatever, very sad. I think JB when he concentrates on the football can be a very good manager but too often gets sidetracked into personal stuff with players as he did very unpleasantly again at Lincoln on Saturday. Why? Now that is certainly baffling. But I am unhappy that BRFC is at a very low place atm in the eyes of the football community at our level. (With the PL and Championship we donāt even register, theyāre not worried about little old BRFC!) So yes,Iām unhappy at many aspects of JBs management. If my staff had gone into the environments of other schools and acted as crassly as JB does on many occasions apart from being totally embarrassed by it, it would likely be a disciplinary matter. (I know others will remind me that football is a different business compared to anything else which I accept. But even soā¦..) Anyway I will be there Saturday against Burton and will support us as I always do and I have my tickets for the FGR away match which Iām looking forward to having missed my usual away games this season because of the train strikes. Iām sure Iām somewhere along that line between the two extremes but after two years I donāt really care. I really have disliked in the past few days how Belshaw has been hung out to dry by some and how now JB has spoken on the other forum fans for whom Belshaw was once spoken of very well is now having other things said about him. Loyal and true eh? Blimey. But Iāve become more immune to his behaviours and now almost accept that JB will be the story not BRFC. Letās hope for good results and performances going forward, concentrate on the football, not the manager or even the goalkeeper! š¤ UTG! I don't care what Barton says, he wouldn't change my mind about liking Belshaw, I would be very sorry to see him leave.
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 16, 2023 16:25:34 GMT
Oh dear, bemoaning the loss of a poster who was allowed to refer to me as "vile" - that sets the bar rather low. Thatās nothing what compared to being called a bunch of p r 1ck 5 bu ITB or gasheads 81 on the other place, vile is really very tame, by comparison I don't bother taking these things to heart, otherwise I wouldn't still be on here. Life's too short, and there are some good discussions to be had.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 16, 2023 16:28:11 GMT
Thatās nothing what compared to being called a bunch of p r 1ck 5 bu ITB or gasheads 81 on the other place, vile is really very tame, by comparison I don't bother taking these things to heart, otherwise I wouldn't still be on here. Life's too short, and there are some good discussions to be had. For sure and you are made of much sterner stuff, thank the lord
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Post by swissgas on Feb 16, 2023 16:40:50 GMT
Vindictive, sanctimonious, drivel. No surprise so many no longer post on this forum. Just the other week DrFaustas posted on the other forum ,that he does'nt bother with this one anymore because of the useless negativity posted. Congratulations. The irony is Bas that about 17 years ago this is exactly the kind of language which would have been launched at you (and me) by the "old guard" which had blind faith in Geoff Dunford and then Nick Higgs and wouldn't have a word said against them. These people were "grateful" for all that Geoff and his family had done and "grateful" for all the money Nick was putting in but couldn't see that their refusal to even look at alternatives was harming Rovers. They called us "negative" and now you are saying that anyone critical of JB is "negative" but is that really correct ? My view is that retreating to a stance where people are called "haters" and told to "f**k off down the Gate" is a signal that the argument is being lost. There is no doubt that quite a few fans don't like JB because of his personality and track record of, let's say, non-conformity but equally there are some Gasheads who don't think he is the right man for the job because of his managerial strategy. I looked at his record at Fleetwood before he joined Rovers and don't think his way of working is a good fit for our club. He builds his teams around his enforcers (Coutts & Finley), experienced players from higher leagues nearing the end of their careeers, players which have come through the ranks at higher league clubs but not made it because of issues he think's he can resolve, players of undoubted quality with serious injury problems which he gambles can be put right and young loan players from higher leagues. This is a very expensive strategy with a lot of waste having to be factored in and the results at Fleetwood were, IMO, not commensurate with the financial risk taken. In 20/21 Fleetwood's total costs were Ā£10 million (Rovers were just under Ā£9 million) and JB's average points per game during his time there was 1.47 giving 68 points per season which would place Fleetwood at 10th-12th in League 1 over the past couple of seasons. I think the Fleetwood owner saw that the strategy was going nowhere and the money he was putting up far outweighed the reward and this is the reason he let JB go. My input last week comparing Rovers to Shrewsbury and Exeter was intended to be positive. If we look at Fleetwood Town and what their owner is trying to achieve we can see he is at a huge disadvantage compared to Rovers. Because we know that if we could get our formula right we could achieve the attendances and commercial income to give us a fighting chance of being sustainable in the Championship whereas for Fleetwood it would take years to build up the fanbase and revenue potential we already have. The problem is that without a completed training ground we can't bring our Academy together or reintroduce a properly managed development squad so our chance of bringing through high quality young players is limited. Likewise our stadium restricts our capacity to generate revenue and until that changes we will continue to be reliant on our owner who, like any owner, has a limit to what he can contribute. My proposal was to actually have a strategy rather than continue to "hit & hope" which has only lead Rovers to keep going round and round in circles. If we found out how to run a mid table League 1 Club on Ā£ 6 million a year instead of Ā£ 9 million a year we would have Ā£3 million a year to invest in infrastructure. And once that infrastructure was in place our "glass ceiling" would disappear so, as we were able to invest more in the team and rise up the leagues, there would be no fear of the future because, with increased attendances bringing greater revenue and the sale of more home grown players bringing windfalls, the process would be to a large extent self financing. The key is to have a plan, be transparent about it, and for everyone connected with Rovers to accept that we may have to make sacrifices in the short term for greater good in the long term.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Feb 16, 2023 16:44:56 GMT
Garner should have been given the full season. It was his players (mostly) and they were at least trying to play for him. Garner should never have been appointed in the first place. A terrible decision and would have been out of his depth in a puddle. That being clear should have been sacked far earlier than he actually was, compounding a litany of errors you couldnāt blame the keenness of guy himself though, waiting so long for his first number 1 gig, signing up and walking into where he was in office but not in enough power, esp over transfers. it was already on odd situation, someone who saved us from relegation trouble and then got us on solid unbeaten run to near the summit, quit in shock emotional post match presser moments after a superb win. And CEO and DOF telling media āwe planned to take it in different direction anyway.ā the problem with ābuy young, sell at profit playing fancy Dan footballā plans is when you are putting out boys against men in League 1, there is something to be said for a blended approach of developing talent whilst having experience, Lockyer beside Craig for example.
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Post by oldie on Feb 16, 2023 16:45:22 GMT
Oh it's the narcissistic gaslighter. Not very nice of course as you know full well, "Say a Little Prayer" was one of the recently deceased Bert Bacharach songs,that I put up on the Tune of the Day section of the forum. I'll ignore the faux apology to your Admin mate. Let's not start again please. And Oldie knows I play a straight bat on matters on here so no snide remarks please Bas. Let it ride Chesh, I won't be responding to stuff like this.
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