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Post by eppinggas on Feb 16, 2023 9:33:56 GMT
Because I am just looking at stats for League 1. Just that league. A flat playing field (excuse the pun) to compare with DC/GC/BG/PT in League 1. Picking up points per game in League 2 is a significantly easier, because, errr... League 2 has significantly weaker teams in it. But I think you knew that. .......................................... Sorry Epping,but this campaign of yours and the very few others is just narcissistic twaddle.Your arguments are weak.Even with your tactic of isolating issues/statistics,it's still weak. WAQ is simply trying something new with JB and if ever a fc needed this, it is Bristol Rovers. Bas, with regard to ppg I have provided things called statistics. These are unarguable facts, not opinion. Now you may wish to trawl through all League 1 and League 2 stats and look at the relative performance of Barton against, say Darrell Clark. (Despite the fact that DC spent significantly longer in League 1 and therefore his overall ppg is harder earned). Hey - you can go crazy - chuck in the DC ppg gained in the Conference! You are going to have a ball. Bath Gas argues it doesn't matter what division Rovers play in, so good luck with your quest. Let me know how you get on. It's pretty basic stuff, you won't even need a spreadsheet. As for discussing other things related to the current manager, then I guess a football forum is an appropriate place to do so. .
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Post by Cheshiregas on Feb 16, 2023 9:45:16 GMT
Vindictive, sanctimonious, drivel.No surprise so many no longer post on this forum. Just the other week DrFaustas posted on the other forum ,that he does'nt bother with this one anymore because of the useless negativity posted. Congratulations. Here we go again Bas. People are entitled to their opinion. Just because they disagree with you doesn't make it 'Vindictive, sanctimonious, drivel' It is called free speech. I don't want Barton gone because of who he is. I want him to prove that he is the Messiah that you keep claiming he is. He sat back and let us get relegated. He didn't use that charisma you keep on about. He then got us promoted. He's still behind DC who gave us two promotions and fought tooth and nail to save us with less games than Barton had. We are back where we were. Mid table League 1. When he gets us into the playoffs and then the Championship I will believe your rhetoric about how great he is. Until then ....
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 16, 2023 9:59:28 GMT
Funny that, because I've posted far less here over the past couple of years, and gone long spells without bothering with the forum at all, because of the vomit-inducing gushing posts from those who think Joey can do no wrong, and won't have a bad word said about their hero, or find myself reaching for the sick bucket as I read the wriggle and squirm excuses as people try to defend the latest act or accusation that surfaces. Yes, we've lost some quality posters since the Barton appointment. Vlad, irishrover, thinwhiteduke, sethstarkadder, igitur to name but few - have all walked away or post infrequently now. Abhorrence at the Barton appointment. Others may have left the forum from the obsequious Barton admiration society. Perhaps they are upset by the negativity surrounding the narcissistic, violent, arrogant, delusional, publicity hungry manager.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Feb 16, 2023 10:02:15 GMT
Vindictive, sanctimonious, drivel.No surprise so many no longer post on this forum. Just the other week DrFaustas posted on the other forum ,that he does'nt bother with this one anymore because of the useless negativity posted. Congratulations. Here we go again Bas. People are entitled to their opinion. Just because they disagree with you doesn't make it 'Vindictive, sanctimonious, drivel' It is called free speech. I don't want Barton gone because of who he is. I want him to prove that he is the Messiah that you keep claiming he is. He sat back and let us get relegated. He didn't use that charisma you keep on about. He then got us promoted. He's still behind DC who gave us two promotions and fought tooth and nail to save us with less games than Barton had. We are back where we were. Mid table League 1. When gets us into the playoffs and then the Championship I will believe your rhetoric about how great he is. Until then .... I believe that we were 2 points and 2 places above the relegation zone when he took over, certainly not mid table.
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Post by baselswh on Feb 16, 2023 10:06:20 GMT
Vindictive, sanctimonious, drivel.No surprise so many no longer post on this forum. Just the other week DrFaustas posted on the other forum ,that he does'nt bother with this one anymore because of the useless negativity posted. Congratulations. Here we go again Bas. People are entitled to their opinion. Just because they disagree with you doesn't make it 'Vindictive, sanctimonious, drivel' It is called free speech. I don't want Barton gone because of who he is. I want him to prove that he is the Messiah that you keep claiming he is. He sat back and let us get relegated. He didn't use that charisma you keep on about. He then got us promoted. He's still behind DC who gave us two promotions and fought tooth and nail to save us with less games than Barton had. We are back where we were. Mid table League 1. When he gets us into the playoffs and then the Championship I will believe your rhetoric about how great he is. Until then .... Why not support him trying to succeed then? Too many posts on this forum,over the last 2 years would not be out of place on otib.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Feb 16, 2023 10:25:09 GMT
Why not support him trying to succeed then? Too many posts on this forum, over the last 2 years would not be out of place on otib. I support the team. When he arrived I didn't like his reputation being attached to the club - we were regarded as a family club. He has kept his nose clean and the court cases disappeared into the background. He almost lost it the other day - noted on local radio. I have liked some of the football but we are often bullied in games such as at Accrington where we were totally outwitted and out fought. Against other ball playing teams like Ipswich we have done reasonably well. With the money available to him, as pointed out by Swiss and others, we should be doing well. The fact we are mid table at moment when Coughlan had us near the top, by your standards would mean Barton is not as good as him....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Feb 16, 2023 10:27:19 GMT
I believe that we were 2 points and 2 places above the relegation zone when he took over, certainly not mid table. Sorry, I meant in the manner of where we have been in recent years [excluding our fall into non league football....] It is probably the middle of where we were in the Coughlan/Garner/Tisdale period. But you are correct.
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Post by baselswh on Feb 16, 2023 10:35:32 GMT
Why not support him trying to succeed then? Too many posts on this forum, over the last 2 years would not be out of place on otib. I support the team. When he arrived I didn't like his reputation being attached to the club - we were regarded as a family club. He has kept his nose clean and the court cases disappeared into the background. He almost lost it the other day - noted on local radio. I have liked some of the football but we are often bullied in games such as at Accrington where we were totally outwitted and out fought. Against other ball playing teams like Ipswich we have done reasonably well. With the money available to him, as pointed out by Swiss and others, we should be doing well. The fact we are mid table at moment when Coughlan had us near the top, by your standards would mean Barton is not as good as him.... By my standards? Putting words in my mouth. It's the anti JB people bringing up statistics, isolating certain points and making things up as if it's proof that JB should'nt be Gas Manager. As if there is nothing else than stats to any managers record. When did you last attend a Rovers game? I don't care by the way,however I wonder if you've attended a JB Rovers game. I mean I thought Garner was absolutely awful,but I shouted and cheered the team on.From pass,to pass,to pass,to pass....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Feb 16, 2023 11:03:21 GMT
By my standards? Putting words in my mouth. It's the anti JB people bringing up statistics, isolating certain points and making things up as if it's proof that JB should'nt be Gas Manager. As if there is nothing else than stats to any managers record. When did you last attend a Rovers game? I don't care by the way,however I wonder if you've attended a JB Rovers game. I mean I thought Garner was absolutely awful,but I shouted and cheered the team on.From pass,to pass,to pass,to pass.... Trying the old - you don't attend matches crap are you Bas? Yes I have attended games under Barton and where I can I watch on ifollow. I attended Accrington most recently which was horrible. We were out battled, out fought, out witted and half of the players looked as if they couldn't be bothered. So please don't give the impression that all of those who have concerns about Barton are non attending. Thanks
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 16, 2023 11:07:30 GMT
So, why are there no stats for the 21-22 season? Whichever league you manage in, you are competing against teams who are your equals, so the results are just as relevant. Because I am just looking at stats for League 1. Just that league. A flat playing field (excuse the pun) to compare with DC/GC/BG/PT in League 1. Picking up points per game in League 2 is a significantly easier, because, errr... League 2 has significantly weaker teams in it. But I think you knew that. We were in League Two because that was our place in the pecking order at that time, and results should be taken account of. Presumably if we got promoted to the Championship at some point, you would not produce any statistics for the manager in post at that time?
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 16, 2023 11:09:24 GMT
Funny that, because I've posted far less here over the past couple of years, and gone long spells without bothering with the forum at all, because of the vomit-inducing gushing posts from those who think Joey can do no wrong, and won't have a bad word said about their hero, or find myself reaching for the sick bucket as I read the wriggle and squirm excuses as people try to defend the latest act or accusation that surfaces. Yes, we've lost some quality posters since the Barton appointment. Vlad, irishrover, thinwhiteduke, sethstarkadder, igitur to name but few - have all walked away or post infrequently now. Abhorrence at the Barton appointment. Others may have left the forum from the obsequious Barton admiration society. Perhaps they are upset by the negativity surrounding the narcissistic, violent, arrogant, delusional, publicity hungry manager. Oh dear, bemoaning the loss of a poster who was allowed to refer to me as "vile" - that sets the bar rather low.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2023 11:48:19 GMT
Its very odd. I find the total and utter negativity of some baffling. Its like they are full of anger and bitterness for all things BRFC, be it the ownership, management, tactics, whatever. It comes over as a wanting to fail in order to say "told you".
You have to enjoy the good times and put the bad times in perspective, you have to aim to be Bournemouth or Brentford and enjoy the journey. Enjoy the likes of Scunthorpe, that was right up there, still hard to believe. There is no point not recognising the good times just because we are not at the level we think we should be. Otherwise there is a risk it will all pass you by.
Totally baffling.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 16, 2023 12:28:01 GMT
Thanks Epping. So would you agree that the 20-21 team wasn’t Barton’s team, as he inherited it after the transfer window closed? Yup, agreed. I guess that is the case with any new manager... they all inherit (usually underperforming teams) and their job is to try and improve results. Barton didn't. Precisely, what he did was the polar opposite and he is still doing the same thing now.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 16, 2023 12:31:34 GMT
Vindictive, sanctimonious, drivel. No surprise so many no longer post on this forum. Just the other week DrFaustas posted on the other forum ,that he does'nt bother with this one anymore because of the useless negativity posted. Congratulations. Praise the lord. I stay in touch with a couple who left and they say the same. Seems that, unless you show adoration of Barton then you are seen or read as a hater and that just isn’t the case but it’s easy to call someone sanctimonious and yet the irony of you writing that seems lost upon you
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Post by baselswh on Feb 16, 2023 12:42:07 GMT
By my standards? Putting words in my mouth. It's the anti JB people bringing up statistics, isolating certain points and making things up as if it's proof that JB should'nt be Gas Manager. As if there is nothing else than stats to any managers record. When did you last attend a Rovers game? I don't care by the way,however I wonder if you've attended a JB Rovers game. I mean I thought Garner was absolutely awful,but I shouted and cheered the team on.From pass,to pass,to pass,to pass.... Trying the old - you don't attend matches crap are you Bas? Yes I have attended games under Barton and where I can I watch on ifollow. I attended Accrington most recently which was horrible. We were out battled, out fought, out witted and half of the players looked as if they couldn't be bothered. So please don't give the impression that all of those who have concerns about Barton are non attending. Thanks No,not really. Fair play,you actually attend. However Chesh,some have made a noise about non attendance whilst JB is manager.That's disapointing. I suppose this will all drag on until JB eventually leaves.Destructive,unnecessary and a real shame. Luckily the mass majority support the manager and appreciate that WAQ has given JB a chance of trying something new at Rovers. I applaud this decision and believe in it.
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Post by baselswh on Feb 16, 2023 12:45:07 GMT
Because I am just looking at stats for League 1. Just that league. A flat playing field (excuse the pun) to compare with DC/GC/BG/PT in League 1. Picking up points per game in League 2 is a significantly easier, because, errr... League 2 has significantly weaker teams in it. But I think you knew that. We were in League Two because that was our place in the pecking order at that time, and results should be taken account of. Presumably if we got promoted to the Championship at some point, you would not produce any statistics for the manager in post at that time? Yep,we see some selective stats being posted.
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Post by baselswh on Feb 16, 2023 13:00:15 GMT
Its very odd. I find the total and utter negativity of some baffling. Its like they are full of anger and bitterness for all things BRFC, be it the ownership, management, tactics, whatever. It comes over as a wanting to fail in order to say "told you". You have to enjoy the good times and put the bad times in perspective, you have to aim to be Bournemouth or Brentford and enjoy the journey. Enjoy the likes of Scunthorpe, that was right up there, still hard to believe. There is no point not recognising the good times just because we are not at the level we think we should be. Otherwise there is a risk it will all pass you by. Totally baffling. Hear hear Contradiction. I imagine it would be quite interesting for a top psychiatrist. They don't like to say last season was fantastic,we just had an exciting last game!🙂 Imo,the last game and from Dececmber onwards were fantastic and in part because of the ordinary first few weeks. Recognising that and enjoying JBs tenure may earn you insults. I've had a couple or so since our 0 0 Tuesday night. A disappointing and surprising result for some.🙂
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Post by bloogas on Feb 16, 2023 14:19:00 GMT
Its very odd. I find the total and utter negativity of some baffling. Its like they are full of anger and bitterness for all things BRFC, be it the ownership, management, tactics, whatever. It comes over as a wanting to fail in order to say "told you". You have to enjoy the good times and put the bad times in perspective, you have to aim to be Bournemouth or Brentford and enjoy the journey. Enjoy the likes of Scunthorpe, that was right up there, still hard to believe. There is no point not recognising the good times just because we are not at the level we think we should be. Otherwise there is a risk it will all pass you by. Totally baffling. Not baffling at all Contra. Some people have high moral values. That's perfectly valid. Apparently those of us who even accept JB are moral degenerates.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 16, 2023 14:34:57 GMT
Its very odd. I find the total and utter negativity of some baffling. Its like they are full of anger and bitterness for all things BRFC, be it the ownership, management, tactics, whatever. It comes over as a wanting to fail in order to say "told you". You have to enjoy the good times and put the bad times in perspective, you have to aim to be Bournemouth or Brentford and enjoy the journey. Enjoy the likes of Scunthorpe, that was right up there, still hard to believe. There is no point not recognising the good times just because we are not at the level we think we should be. Otherwise there is a risk it will all pass you by. Totally baffling. Not baffling at all Contra. Some people have high moral values. That's perfectly valid. Apparently those of us who even accept JB are moral degenerates. If you can accept Barton as manager - then that's absolutely fine by me. I respect your opinion. It certainly doesn't make you a moral degenerate.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 16, 2023 14:38:24 GMT
Yes, we've lost some quality posters since the Barton appointment. Vlad, irishrover, thinwhiteduke, sethstarkadder, igitur to name but few - have all walked away or post infrequently now. Abhorrence at the Barton appointment. Others may have left the forum from the obsequious Barton admiration society. Perhaps they are upset by the negativity surrounding the narcissistic, violent, arrogant, delusional, publicity hungry manager. Oh dear, bemoaning the loss of a poster who was allowed to refer to me as "vile" - that sets the bar rather low. Whoa there Bath Gas! Who called you "vile"? When was that? What was the context? Could it have been perceived as bullying? Was it Reported?
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