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Post by emperorsuperbus on Feb 28, 2021 15:47:38 GMT
Seems the haters on here ought to be turning on the players. How dare they respond to that unreformed thug and jail bird and put on fighting performances that actually win matches and so prolong his hated association with the club? theres something about both lack the lack of logic and give and take in your postings Towny, that makes me think your personality is not for real, you are just on a whatever it takes to wind up mission. Possibly a city fan doing covert ops. So really we shouldn’t respond to your posts. on the other hand though, you are setting it up beautifully for us to remind people of some important truths. firstly, our first half performance yesterday was a bit meh looking toothless till they fine combo which opened them up. Second half I was quite impressed by our press and shape, till the manager messed substitutions up for the second game in a row. But the performance was no better than than at posh under tis and Lincoln under Garner. Even in a crap season there are days it comes together. I don’t think we saw best from salop yesterday either. secondly it’s a huge misconception when teams play crap it’s lack of passion. It’s Paper Scissors Stone from the manager in terms of setting out and getting tactics right for each individual game. It manifests itself as looking like lack of passion and fight, but really it’s a team game where the technical science, the formation and tactic isn’t working. It’s the biggest misconception in football, really fans need to be brighter and not fall into that lazy misunderstanding.
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Post by towngas on Feb 28, 2021 16:04:20 GMT
You’re asking me to believe that Tisdale was having the team picked for him? There are credible suggestions that the Football Director acted to interfere and then to undermine Paul Tisdale. Certainly Widdrington had no hesitation in burning Tisdale to the media at his first caretaker conference. Evidence of credible suggestions please! It seems to me that Tisdale disgracefully attacked his strikers in public to have a dig at the club owners. What did he think may happen?The next game one of those young, inexperienced strikers scored 2 goals against Pompey. Who knows, the caretaker manager may have even put his arm around his shoulders and given him words of encouragement. We know for certain pansy Tisdale wouldn’t have done that, he might have caught some nasty infection from all the germs surrounding the filthy, unhygienic players. Seems to me that he knew he was totally out of his depth, was plumbing the same depths as when he managed MK plastics, and decided to give the owners a good reason to fire him. perhaps the club refused to supply him with any more medical gloves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 16:09:32 GMT
The difference is the match thread doesn’t contain posts written by religious zealots who wish for the destruction of the club. Religious zealots? Really, Townie? I don't think you'll find two more anti-religious proponents of independent thought than Bambi (now Thin White Duke) and me. We just value decency and dignity, mate. Wish for the destruction of the club? If you think anyone on here wishes for the destruction of the club, then you need a little lie down. After that, consider which BRFC employee or shareholder might bring about the actual destruction of the club. You baffle me, Townie.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Feb 28, 2021 16:12:49 GMT
I think it is highly illustrative of the frenzied hatred for Barton that this ridiculous thread is now 3 times longer than the Matchday thread dealing with a vital home win. Well you've written on 'this ridiculous thread' ten times today, Sir. And read what I wrote about what Barton has done again and see whether it is I, or Barton, who displays frenzied hatred towards other people. ive bloated your thread for you, now I’m going to complain about your bloat 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Feb 28, 2021 16:17:58 GMT
The difference is the match thread doesn’t contain posts written by religious zealots who wish for the destruction of the club. Religious zealots? Really, Townie? I don't think you'll find two more anti-religious proponents of independent thought than Bambi (now Thin White Duke) and me. We just value decency and dignity, mate. Wish for the destruction of the club? If you think anyone on here wishes for the destruction of the club, then you need a little lie down. After that, consider which BRFC employee or shareholder might bring about the actual destruction of the club. You baffle me, Townie. he doesn’t baffle me. He clearly just doing here the bs Barton does on Twitter. if you are a real genuine person townie, listen: Garner has a pile of testimonials for being able to nurture and develop footballers. Like doing the garden, it takes time. Barton can’t match that. Fact. He is though putting together a fine criminal record. Which one would you rather spend a long time at your club? What’s happening is owner and minions had idea of young squad organic growth. I’m okay with that, as well as forging dna of the finer qualities and values of how a club is run and plays its football. The squad was flawed and not competing to stay in this division, especially up front where they can’t be expected to do better, mostly young and developing not balanced with proven age and experience, at the back we could have expected more, but in defence of individuals any team with new partnerships and systems at back almost every game is asking for trouble. so the panic button was hit to try and avoid relegation falsely believing passion and aggression is all it needed. And that’s the path taken by and supported by fools, falling into the trap that is the big misconception in football. it’s a case of the short term long term game. What’s best and worst for club in long term. This whole thread is about explaining this to fans who just don’t get it. thinking about what just said there, are you at least beginning to see where we are coming from? I really couldn’t be fairer to you if all you really want is argue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 18:17:12 GMT
There are credible suggestions that the Football Director acted to interfere and then to undermine Paul Tisdale. Certainly Widdrington had no hesitation in burning Tisdale to the media at his first caretaker conference. Evidence of credible suggestions please! It seems to me that Tisdale disgracefully attacked his strikers in public to have a dig at the club owners. What did he think may happen?The next game one of those young, inexperienced strikers scored 2 goals against Pompey. Who knows, the caretaker manager may have even put his arm around his shoulders and given him words of encouragement. We know for certain pansy Tisdale wouldn’t have done that, he might have caught some nasty infection from all the germs surrounding the filthy, unhygienic players. Seems to me that he knew he was totally out of his depth, was plumbing the same depths as when he managed MK plastics, and decided to give the owners a good reason to fire him. perhaps the club refused to supply him with any more medical gloves. The manager is in a tough spot, it’s his reputation on the line. Something a Widdrington knows too well because he was desperate to salvage his own reputation after Tisdale’s words came back to bite him on the ass when our strikers missed a host of chances in Mr 100%s first defeat. He was left to snipe “at least we played better against Gillingham than last time”, nice on Widds, maybe the FA will give us some pity points? So in some ways I can’t blame Tisdale for feeling the same frustration as Widdrington felt and wanting to say something to defend his part in it. Whereas Widdrington made bitchy comparisons with a previous manager Tisdale made bitchy comments about the strikers. Not a good idea, but then he had just seen Ayunga practically doing his best not to score and had probably had a gutsful of the players he was having to work with. Tisdale was undoubtedly a bad appointment and wasn’t able to get the players to buy into his methods, but that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t right that our strikers are crap. Hanlan needs a bajillion chances to score and as well as Ayunga played in one game against Portsmouth I don’t think when the most optimistic Gashead would back him to get 3 more by the end of the season. Tisdale undoubtedly has a poor record at league one level but the problems are not entirely the fault of the manager as old Widders would like the gullible to believe.
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Post by Rex on Feb 28, 2021 18:17:27 GMT
Does anyone know exactly what happened in the incident between Barton and the 15 year old? All I can find online is that there was an 'altercation'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 18:25:00 GMT
It will no doubt be posted in full on Barton Chat soon so that it can be mocked So predictable. It’s also bizarre seeing that now the Barton Chatters are moralising over the guy who wrote the article! 😂 I mean yeah, Rod Liddle is a scumbag but hilarious how they can, in the same breath, lionise Barton whilst deploring Liddle. Football fans be crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 18:45:31 GMT
Does anyone know exactly what happened in the incident between Barton and the 15 year old? All I can find online is that there was an 'altercation' Sorry, I think I mixed up Barton's incidences of violence involving teenagers. It was a sixteen year old he attacked. The incident with the fifteen year old Everton fan in Bangkok was Barton kicking off after the child made a comment, then fighting his teammates who intervened to restrain him, I think. Sorry, but it's hard to remember which violent incident is which with Joey Barton.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 19:14:43 GMT
The difference is the match thread doesn’t contain posts written by religious zealots who wish for the destruction of the club. Religious zealots? Really, Townie? I don't think you'll find two more anti-religious proponents of independent thought than Bambi (now Thin White Duke) and me. We just value decency and dignity, mate. Wish for the destruction of the club? If you think anyone on here wishes for the destruction of the club, then you need a little lie down. After that, consider which BRFC employee or shareholder might bring about the actual destruction of the club. You baffle me, Townie. I think he's having a go at me there for writing facts about organised religion. He can take it to the 'non-football / anything goes / politics' section and explain why I'm wrong if he feels that strongly about it. But he won't, because he knows that what I wrote is correct, and was just scratching the surface. And anyway, I didn't start it, it was in response to someone making an erroneous equivocation between religion and morality. That doesn't mean that people of faith are by definition immoral people, but if we are talking about Judeo-Christianity, as I said, let's go to the correct forum section and I won't have to move outside of Exodus 21 to demonstrate the shortcomings of that filthy doctrine. To the second point. I would like Wael and Barton to please go away at their earliest convenience, to preserve the club, that's the opposite of destroying it, isn't it?
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Post by towngas on Feb 28, 2021 19:24:34 GMT
Seems the haters on here ought to be turning on the players. How dare they respond to that unreformed thug and jail bird and put on fighting performances that actually win matches and so prolong his hated association with the club? theres something about both lack the lack of logic and give and take in your postings Towny, that makes me think your personality is not for real, you are just on a whatever it takes to wind up mission. Possibly a city fan doing covert ops. So really we shouldn’t respond to your posts. on the other hand though, you are setting it up beautifully for us to remind people of some important truths. firstly, our first half performance yesterday was a bit meh looking toothless till they fine combo which opened them up. Second half I was quite impressed by our press and shape, till the manager messed substitutions up for the second game in a row. But the performance was no better than than at posh under tis and Lincoln under Garner. Even in a crap season there are days it comes together. I don’t think we saw best from salop yesterday either. secondly it’s a huge misconception when teams play crap it’s lack of passion. It’s Paper Scissors Stone from the manager in terms of setting out and getting tactics right for each individual game. It manifests itself as looking like lack of passion and fight, but really it’s a team game where the technical science, the formation and tactic isn’t working. It’s the biggest misconception in football, really fans need to be brighter and not fall into that lazy misunderstanding. So we have established that anyone with the temerity to disagree with your view is displaying a lack of knowledge and must be a WUM and/or a s**thead. regarding your first point, first you’re in danger of being kicked out of the ‘Barton Out NOW club’ admitting to having spent £10, thus supporting him by association. Perhaps you are a ST holder, well, why haven’t you burned it a the stake, along with an effigy of the Prince of Darkness? If you read my offering on the match thread you will see I commented on the wisdom of 3 subs in the last few minutes, thereby upsetting the balance of the team. I am sure he will learn this is one of our Achilles heels and will adjust accordingly. Your second point merely reinforces my opinion that Tisdale and Garner were crap managers, talking total bollox in tactics, confusing the hell out of players who essentially gave up.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 28, 2021 19:59:51 GMT
Did you say 'haters'? Joey Barton beat up a fifteen year old child on holiday. He attacked a sixteen year old. He put a cigar out in someone's eye. He beat up team mates in training repeatedly. He carried on punching an unconscious man on the ground. He assaulted opppsition players after getting sent of. He boasted about this being not 'red mist' but 'calculating'. He is awaiting trial for punching a rival coach's tooth out. Who's hateful? Us? Or Barton? I think it is highly illustrative of the frenzied hatred for Barton that this ridiculous thread is now 3 times longer than the Matchday thread dealing with a vital home win. But there you go. Deflection I’m afraid towngas. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 20:02:16 GMT
[Joey's better than Garner and Tisdale] Well Townie, you're winning, in any case. I had a look at that cesspit 'Twitter' again, and saw that perfectly likeable, otherwise decent, young and older folk are raving for 'Joey'. It really is the cult of personality. Only a cult could make otherwise decent men and women behave like this, idolising a detestable violent criminal for apparent football and social media status gains. It's so sad that this is how life is lived right now. I hope you will understand that some of those of us immune to such rubbish will stand firm against the cult of 'Joey', and speak out in favour of Barton's early removal from Bristol.
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Post by Rex on Feb 28, 2021 20:04:15 GMT
Does anyone know exactly what happened in the incident between Barton and the 15 year old? All I can find online is that there was an 'altercation' Sorry, I think I mixed up Barton's incidences of violence involving teenagers. It was a sixteen year old he attacked. The incident with the fifteen year old Everton fan in Bangkok was Barton kicking off after the child made a comment, then fighting his teammates who intervened to restrain him, I think. Sorry, but it's hard to remember which violent incident is which with Joey Barton. I think it's fair to say there is plenty of evidence that he is prone to violence. I'm just always a little wary that stories can get somewhat exaggerated, I have a suspicion that this may have been the case in that particular episode (though worryingly, not in others such as the most recent one with the Barnsley manager)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 20:18:02 GMT
I have changed my position. warehamgas and Rex have given me pause, and I am a reflective old duck, anyway. I realise that I was not quite sincere in wishing for Rovers defeat to Shrewsbury, despite overtly and explicitly calling for it. Wanting Rovers to win football matches, even when I was following less closely (2006-2010?) is a hard drug to withdraw from. Wanting Rovers to lose, as a position, was borne of wanting anything that would hasten the removal of Barton. That is still my position, that anything that hastens the departure of this man from BRFC is a price worth paying. But I will no longer say that I want defeats on the pitch, because I can't do so sincerely, and because my fellow Guzzlers have a point. This changes nothing else. I will not support, nor pay a penny more for, nor would I wear any item that represents Bristol Rovers Football Club, until that criminal is removed from the club, which I hope will happen with the utmost rapidity. It is a stain on our decency and dignity.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 20:24:46 GMT
[Joey's better than Garner and Tisdale] Well Townie, you're winning, in any case. I had a look at that cesspit 'Twitter' again, and saw that perfectly likeable, otherwise decent, young and older folk are raving for 'Joey'. It really is the cult of personality. Only a cult could make otherwise decent men and women behave like this, idolising a detestable violent criminal for apparent football and social media status gains. It's so sad that this is how life is lived right now. I hope you will understand that some of those of us immune to such rubbish will stand firm against the cult of 'Joey', and speak out in favour of Barton's early removal from Bristol. You’re right about the cult aspect, but the cult is Bristol Rovers. Quite literally, cult like devotion to Bristol Rovers is what is behind all this. All those singing Barton’s praises would not be doing so if he was managing City. They would be laughing at City for employing such a specimen and the word “thug” would be thrown about with reckless abandon as well as “Barton and City are perfect for each other” Etc. Because supporting Rovers requires no less than slavish devotion hiring Barton gives Gasheads who previously thought he was a thug a massive problem. How do you rationalise it? Well, you get some videos of him at the Cambridge student Union, you start doubting the press coverage that previously you believed in 100%, you start feeding your brain with whatever pro-Barton propaganda you can get your hands on whilst convincing yourself that the bad stuff was actually exaggeration. Joey was actually a saint all along. Bristol Rovers tells you to believe, so believe you must. It didn’t take weeks, it took practically days and now the beatification is so complete that criticisms of Barton are met with savage judgement in return. The insult fuelled character judgements of Barton that they won’t tolerate they gleefully wield against his critics, trying not to recognise the elephant in the room the whole time: that they are trying to win a tallest dwarf competition.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 20:38:45 GMT
I don't agree with all of that, Sir, but I did enjoy the trade craft of your argument. The insult fuelled character judgements of Barton that they won’t tolerate they gleefully wield against his critics, trying not to recognise the elephant in the room the whole time: that they are trying to win a tallest dwarf competition. Your point holds, no doubt, but 'insult fuelled character judgements'? Is what we're writing about Barton very judgemental? In some cases, judgement has already been passed by the actual judiciary. I've called him a social media celebrity, which is now what he is known by most as. I've called him a violent criminal, which is a matter of record. I've called him a psychopath, but this is borne of experience with diagnosed psychopaths in a violence reduction programme, and based on an understanding of superficial charm, deceit without conscience, the absence of empathy, and a propensity for both functional and recreational violence. I don't use the term psychopath frivolously. I've called him a thug, but again this is due to documented violent criminality. I don't think I've been insulting or judgemental enough!
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Post by trymer on Feb 28, 2021 20:43:33 GMT
As the 'Barton out brigade' cant boycott going to matches at the moment how about they show their strength of feeling by boycotting this forum until Barton leaves Rovers ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 20:47:36 GMT
As the 'Barton out brigade' cant boycott going to matches at the moment how about they show their strength of feeling by boycotting this forum until Barton leaves Rovers ? This again? If you include me in that suggestion, then this is not the first time you've suggested I not remain on this forum. But I think the thread title is indicative of the thread content, and if you did not want to read our arguments then you would not have clicked this thread. There are other threads you can read instead, Sir, and it wouldn't be much of a forum if different opinions were removed from it, would it?
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Post by johnmalyckyj on Feb 28, 2021 21:33:02 GMT
Barton will get rid of himself. Summer sun brings relegation and most likely custodial sentence for Barton, held over or otherwise. One or other gets rid of him. I reckon he will be gone much earlier than that actually, he will do something stupid at some point, of course he will. But Barton is not the problem. The Barton fan club accusing us of being on high horses and moralising just don’t get it at all. The penny is slow to drop for them. Barton polluting the good name of our club is merely a shaft of light or alarm bell to what the problem really is here. Wael and his failed crew of CEO’s and dofs all need to go before this club can step up once again. This thread isn’t about moralising. It’s about finally waking up and smelling THE coffee. If it hadn’t been for Wael and his millions generously sunk into Rovers without hope of return we would all have woken up and smelt the coffee of Rovers extinction several years ago. Still don’t let your high-horse moralising get in the way of your hurt feelings. Rather a nice gesture of the vicious, violent thug to dedicate yesterday’s win to a recently deceased life long supporter. I expect you’d much rather he had kicked the interviewer in the nuts, put him on the ground and given his head a good shoeing whilst screaming ‘You b****** snowflake, why don’t you grow a pair and man up’ to reinforce your perception of him. In the 1990s I worked in what was then Job Centre Plus. Between 1993 and 2000 I was based at Easton Job Centre, my role was to advise people who were newly unemployed and then latterly those who had been claiming benefits for what was regarded as "long term". In order to do my job I had to leave my own moral compass at the door. Later on I became a trainer and ran courses largely teaching people soft skills, often dealing with complex moral dilemmas, which those working with people with a myriad of deep, complex problems had to grapple with. In a typical day in Easton Job Centre, I could deal with a murderer fresh out of prison on a life tariff, a drug addict who was content to remain on drugs for the rest of his life, a refugee escaping conflict (meeting traumatised Kosovans is an experience I will never forget), a person who had worked all their life suddenly unemployed by reason of redundancy, petty criminals who were in and out of prison, women who had never worked who suddenly found themselves in the labour market by way of marriage breakdown, people who didn't want to work and were content to claim benefits as long as they could, I could be threatened simply because I asked someone what they had done to look for work. I saw it all, I heard every story that you wouldn't want to repeat to your family. I used to walk home to empty my head of the s*** I had uploaded during the day. During that period I became involved in Rovers Supporters Club as a form of release..... I have never forgotten dealing with those people, because no matter what their back story was you had to push your own opinion to the back of your head and help them to find work, no matter what they had done leading them to walk through our doors. No-one was un-employable, because when they were sat in front of me somehow I might need to persuade an employer that they had served their time (if that was the case) and now was the time to give them a chance. There are some streams of employment that are clearly governed by legislation where a criminal record means that an individual may be precluded from seeking employment. I don't think that professional football is governed by such a restriction. Joey Barton has a court case pending, he has previous criminal convictions, now discharged. If we extended the view of some contributors to every walk of life no-one with a criminal record would ever work again. Yesterday I heard Barton's post match interview and stopped in my tracks when I heard him mention Brian Williams recent passing (Gasincider in the other place), I thought it was a wonderful thing to do. It was the first time a Rovers manager since Darrell Clarke has demonstrated that he understood what the club means to its supporters. I'll leave it that. Regards John Malyckyj
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