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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 24, 2022 11:16:11 GMT
All very amusing until you reflect on just how vile the Saudi regime is. I don't think the families of Jamal Khashoggi or the thousands murdered on 9/11 will be tittering along. D'uh that was the point that was made!! Don't you understand irony? Or are you too busy being sanctimonious and self righteous? If you look at my comment and Darlo's follow up that is the point we are making about Newcastle fans and the fact they don't give a **** about the Saudi regime. And if you knew Darlo, you would know that he would be the last person to make light of right wing fascist and authoritarian religious fanatic despots. The point is about Newcastle fans and the thread. Its not the sort of thing you joke about, is it? In the same way I wouldn't be laughing if any fascist country took over a football club. That's not my interpretation. From what I can see, you simply observe that it is the case and don't say if you think if it is right or wrong. And Darlo similarly makes a jokey comment without making it clear that he thinks this is right or wrong. Unless you are willing to condemn the likes of the Saudis and Abramovich then you are pretty useless, in my view.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 24, 2022 12:12:32 GMT
Are you saying every time that we make a pithy/humorous/ironic comment that we have to explain to you that it is such? A bit like the forum equivalent of putting your hand up?
Humour can be one of the strongest ways of attacking the powerful. Hence why the Tories hated people taking the p*** out of Boris Johnson, someone who was and is a bad joke himself and wide open to be ridiculed. The rich and powerful hate being laughed at and ridiculed. It was why Punch magazine was so popular from the 1840s through to the 20th Century. Similarly Private Eye points out their corruption and failings with sharp humour and irony. Why do you think the Tories are so glad to see the back of Mock the Week and would be delighted if they could do the same to Have I Got News For You....
The working class [and in fairness loyal] Geordies have been banging on about how great the team is and how they are sleeping giants and then are happy to accept the blood ridden Riyals of Saudi. Irony at its finest and as fickle as any football fans. Just as the majority of Gasheads won't care where the money comes from as long as it brings success.
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Post by rowdenhill on Oct 24, 2022 12:41:18 GMT
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Mock the week is ineffable drivel, and I'm glad if it's demised. Have I got news for you went down the pan years ago. Total waste of time and visibly rehearsed and edited to the bone.
Why does piss have 3 asterisks?
I like cunk.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 24, 2022 12:48:46 GMT
Buon giorno, moderatore globale, e non solo nazionale, che sei. Mock the week is ineffable drivel, and I'm glad if it's demised. Have I got news for you went down the pan years ago. Total waste of time and visibly rehearsed and edited to the bone. Why does piss have 3 asterisks? I like cunk. Grazie e buon pomeriggio O potente membro del forum I put 3 asterisks instead of 4 so you wouldn't think I was using a very naughty word. I agree that the programmes are shadows of their former selves and probably deserve to go but they are a real irritant as satire should be. Cunk is a good word!
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 24, 2022 13:24:34 GMT
Are you saying every time that we make a pithy/humorous/ironic comment that we have to explain to you that it is such? A bit like the forum equivalent of putting your hand up? Humour can be one of the strongest ways of attacking the powerful. Hence why the Tories hated people taking the p*** out of Boris Johnson, someone who was and is a bad joke himself and wide open to be ridiculed. The rich and powerful hate being laughed at and ridiculed. It was why Punch magazine was so popular from the 1840s through to the 20th Century. Similarly Private Eye points out their corruption and failings with sharp humour and irony. Why do you think the Tories are so glad to see the back of Mock the Week and would be delighted if they could do the same to Have I Got News For You.... The working class [and in fairness loyal] Geordies have been banging on about how great the team is and how they are sleeping giants and then are happy to accept the blood ridden Riyals of Saudi. Irony at its finest and as fickle as any football fans. Just as the majority of Gasheads won't care where the money comes from as long as it brings success. Worse than that - if you are even thinking of making a comment of this kind, you must PM me and await approval. Private Eye, Mock the Week and Have I Got News for you are actually part of the established system - tolerated as a way of letting off steam while maintaining the established equilibrium. Look at the history of Private Eye - very much establishment and public school. More radical contributors such as Paul Foot were very much outliers. Do you really think the establishment has anything to fear from Russell Howard making tepid jokes about Boris Johnson on Mock the Week? Similarly, Merton and Hislop are hardly radical subversives.
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 24, 2022 13:37:28 GMT
Are you saying every time that we make a pithy/humorous/ironic comment that we have to explain to you that it is such? A bit like the forum equivalent of putting your hand up? Humour can be one of the strongest ways of attacking the powerful. Hence why the Tories hated people taking the p*** out of Boris Johnson, someone who was and is a bad joke himself and wide open to be ridiculed. The rich and powerful hate being laughed at and ridiculed. It was why Punch magazine was so popular from the 1840s through to the 20th Century. Similarly Private Eye points out their corruption and failings with sharp humour and irony. Why do you think the Tories are so glad to see the back of Mock the Week and would be delighted if they could do the same to Have I Got News For You....The working class [and in fairness loyal] Geordies have been banging on about how great the team is and how they are sleeping giants and then are happy to accept the blood ridden Riyals of Saudi. Irony at its finest and as fickle as any football fans. Just as the majority of Gasheads won't care where the money comes from as long as it brings success. Mock the week sadly went down hill after Frankie Boyle was rubbed out of future shows, he and Andy Parsons made it IMO.
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 24, 2022 13:55:43 GMT
Are you saying every time that we make a pithy/humorous/ironic comment that we have to explain to you that it is such? A bit like the forum equivalent of putting your hand up? Humour can be one of the strongest ways of attacking the powerful. Hence why the Tories hated people taking the p*** out of Boris Johnson, someone who was and is a bad joke himself and wide open to be ridiculed. The rich and powerful hate being laughed at and ridiculed. It was why Punch magazine was so popular from the 1840s through to the 20th Century. Similarly Private Eye points out their corruption and failings with sharp humour and irony. Why do you think the Tories are so glad to see the back of Mock the Week and would be delighted if they could do the same to Have I Got News For You....The working class [and in fairness loyal] Geordies have been banging on about how great the team is and how they are sleeping giants and then are happy to accept the blood ridden Riyals of Saudi. Irony at its finest and as fickle as any football fans. Just as the majority of Gasheads won't care where the money comes from as long as it brings success. Mock the week sadly went down hill after Frankie Boyle was rubbed out of future shows, he and Andy Parsons made it IMO. Frankie Boyle is a very poor man's Jerry Sadowitz who consistently kicks down in a nasty and self-aggrandising way and writes for the S*n. Sadowitz is one of very few genuinely subversive contemporary comedians, along with Chris Morris - could you imagine either appearing on Mock the Week or HIGNFY?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 24, 2022 14:45:33 GMT
Worse than that - if you are even thinking of making a comment of this kind, you must PM me and await approval. Private Eye, Mock the Week and Have I Got News for you are actually part of the established system - tolerated as a way of letting off steam while maintaining the established equilibrium. Look at the history of Private Eye - very much establishment and public school. More radical contributors such as Paul Foot were very much outliers. Do you really think the establishment has anything to fear from Russell Howard making tepid jokes about Boris Johnson on Mock the Week? Similarly, Merton and Hislop are hardly radical subversives. You underestimate the egos of people at the top. They hate being mocked and being made fun of. Why do you think that some of the first people to be attacked or locked up in fascist regimes are artists and comedians. Johnson hates having the Mickey taking out of him. Even our own directors over the years have hated mickey taking and people used to get banned from the club forum for p---takes [as well as criticism]. It would certainly be interesting to have a few beers with JB and see how he would react to a bit of mickey taking at his expense.
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Post by swissgas on Oct 24, 2022 14:47:08 GMT
A quick internet search shows the link between him and Stephen Vaughan Snr and another search the link between Stephen Vaughan Jnr and JB's best friend Andrew Taylor. Now of course we can kid ourselves and say there is no link between JB and the Vaughan family but is this a reasonable assumption when we know JB is part of the Liverpool sports scene and has a particular interest in boxing so it is hardly likely he has had no association with them ? But, more to the point, what is there to be afraid of if he does know them and might look to them or someone like them to make an investment in Rovers ? Gasheads don't mind where the money comes from and, in the main, we have shown ourselves willing to give people a chance and not let past mistakes or character flaws prevent us supporting someone if we feel it justified. Who is to say the Vaughan family and their associates have not learned from their previous errors of judgement and would now have something worthwhile to contribute to our club ? Given what happened to Chester under the Vaughan’s watch I’m pretty sure Wael has done his homework there. But this is like the equivalent of Farage’s infamous ‘Turning Point’ poster during the Brexit referendum, completely unnecessary scaremongering and totally irrelevant to the reality of the club’s current situation. In January 2021 if someone had posted that JB would soon be appointed Rovers manager and virtually take over the club and that most Gasheads would be enraptured by this they would have been accused of unnecessary scaremongering wouldn't they ? Yet here we are in 2022 and it has all happened. The reason I think this is relevant to the club's current situation goes back to bloogas's post yesterday. His immediate response to my question about whether Gasheads would be happy for Rovers to accept funding from dubious sources was to quote an analogy about not being concerned about a surgeon having a criminal record if he could save your life. Which seems to be implying that if Rovers are desperate for investment nobody will care who makes it or where it comes from. But as far as we know Rovers are not desperate for investment so if new money and new people were to come into the club it wouldn't be to "save it" but to help take it forward. In which case there should be no hint of desperation and the process would surely be carried out in a calm way with all proposals carefully considered and the decision made on the basis of what is best for the long term future of the club. It may be that a consortium involving JB is the best option for Rovers or it may be that another group's proposal would be better for the club but the last thing any Gashead would want is to be presented with a fait accompli and told there was no alternative. We can all agree on that can't we ?
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Post by baselswh on Oct 24, 2022 16:33:55 GMT
Given what happened to Chester under the Vaughan’s watch I’m pretty sure Wael has done his homework there. But this is like the equivalent of Farage’s infamous ‘Turning Point’ poster during the Brexit referendum, completely unnecessary scaremongering and totally irrelevant to the reality of the club’s current situation. In January 2021 if someone had posted that JB would soon be appointed Rovers manager and virtually take over the club and that most Gasheads would be enraptured by this they would have been accused of unnecessary scaremongering wouldn't they ? Yet here we are in 2022 and it has all happened. The reason I think this is relevant to the club's current situation goes back to bloogas's post yesterday. His immediate response to my question about whether Gasheads would be happy for Rovers to accept funding from dubious sources was to quote an analogy about not being concerned about a surgeon having a criminal record if he could save your life. Which seems to be implying that if Rovers are desperate for investment nobody will care who makes it or where it comes from. But as far as we know Rovers are not desperate for investment so if new money and new people were to come into the club it wouldn't be to "save it" but to help take it forward. In which case there should be no hint of desperation and the process would surely be carried out in a calm way with all proposals carefully considered and the decision made on the basis of what is best for the long term future of the club. It may be that a consortium involving JB is the best option for Rovers or it may be that another group's proposal would be better for the club but the last thing any Gashead would want is to be presented with a fait accompli and told there was no alternative. We can all agree on that can't we ? Just to say Swiss,"take over",saying JB took over sounds quite aggressive. WAQ wisely gave JB the whip hand to change a FC that was in a mess. Joe has done a good job.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 24, 2022 16:54:45 GMT
Insulting? Where's that to then? I would suggest that having strong views about Barton doesn't necessarily lead to Gasheads resorting to pathetic, childish name-calling (to each other). Nothing to do with his views on Barton. What then? Not looking for a fight. Shoveler has written much about Barton and how he feels about him. I'm struggling to see where he has insulted a fellow Gashead. My point was more about pathetic name-calling on the Forum - which was aimed at chewbacca earlier (and nothing to do with you). I still struggle a bit with the anger some people have, those who take great exception to those who have decided not to attend while Barton remains manager. (That's also not aimed at you). I'm not angry with people who still go. Free country, each to their own.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 17:13:34 GMT
Epping, not sure anyone is angry with people not attending*
*Obviously, I can only speak for the whole THREE of us on here who share a few pints before games.
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Post by darloGAS on Oct 24, 2022 17:41:48 GMT
Epping, not sure anyone is angry with people not attending* *Obviously, I can only speak for the whole THREE of us on here who share a few pints before games. I'm angry that I don't 'attend', in actual fact I'm livid. But then you would be if you lived in the North East of this septic isle. Grant, I didn't realise the magnitude of this messageboard ... three you say. Blimey! #FreeTheRoversTHREE
In spite of everything, #UpTheROVERS
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 24, 2022 17:59:55 GMT
Nothing to do with his views on Barton. What then? Not looking for a fight. Shoveler has written much about Barton and how he feels about him. I'm struggling to see where he has insulted a fellow Gashead. My point was more about pathetic name-calling on the Forum - which was aimed at chewbacca earlier (and nothing to do with you). I still struggle a bit with the anger some people have, those who take great exception to those who have decided not to attend while Barton remains manager. (That's also not aimed at you). I'm not angry with people who still go. Free country, each to their own. No idea who the people are who have taken great exception to those who are not attending. We all have our own reasons for attending, or not attending matches, they do not necessarily have to be related to Barton - everybody has different circumstances. Shoveler does not restrict his opinions to Barton, you don't have to single anybody out for them to feel insulted by an opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 18:32:27 GMT
Epping, not sure anyone is angry with people not attending* *Obviously, I can only speak for the whole THREE of us on here who share a few pints before games. I'm angry that I don't 'attend', in actual fact I'm livid. But then you would be if you lived in the North East of this septic isle. Grant, I didn't realise the magnitude of this messageboard ... three you say. Blimey! #FreeTheRoversTHREE
In spite of everything, #UpTheROVERS I live in the south east of this electric, eclectic city Dave, does that count? Jack, Reg and me...the 3 who want to take over the forum. #naysayersout and as always UTFG 🏴☠️🇪🇸
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 18:49:42 GMT
Shoveler does not restrict his opinions to Barton, you don't have to single anybody out for them to feel insulted by an opinion. Disappointed to be momentarily the subject here. It's true I have opinions on matters other than Barton, although Barton's rather my focus on this thread. There's no need to feel insulted by an opinion, especially when not singled out though. I wouldn't want that.
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Post by darloGAS on Oct 24, 2022 18:53:14 GMT
I'm angry that I don't 'attend', in actual fact I'm livid. But then you would be if you lived in the North East of this septic isle. Grant, I didn't realise the magnitude of this messageboard ... three you say. Blimey! #FreeTheRoversTHREE
In spite of everything, #UpTheROVERS I live in the south east of this electric, eclectic city Dave, does that count? Jack, Reg and me...the 3 who want to take over the forum. #naysayersout and as always UTFG 🏴☠️🇪🇸 I knew, I just knew it. Just like when my dad took over the spare bedroom for his model railway. It's a heist I tell you. A heist. In plain sight.
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 24, 2022 19:36:38 GMT
Shoveler does not restrict his opinions to Barton, you don't have to single anybody out for them to feel insulted by an opinion. Disappointed to be momentarily the subject here. It's true I have opinions on matters other than Barton, although Barton's rather my focus on this thread. There's no need to feel insulted by an opinion, especially when not singled out though. I wouldn't want that. No worries.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 20:57:09 GMT
I think its realy sad that after a brilliant match saturday some people still wanto to concentrate on 'other things'
It really was an exceptional game saturday (sorry Dr F!). If we'd managed to get the deserved winner at the end it would have gone down as one of THE games of the last decade.
These periods are rare, history tells us that, and we have a special group and people really should enjoy it whilst they can.
Forget JB's past, enjoy the good times that are here
Forget 'what ifs' regarding ownerships and enjoy the fact we are financially stable with a committed owner who is here for the long haul and making good progress off the field.
And most importantly get down the Mem if you can and cheer on the boys, they are running through brick walls for the shirt and these really are good times and its turning the Mem into a special place.
Enjoy these times, they dont come round very often.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 21:08:49 GMT
Just want a Rovers all Gasheads want to return to, really.
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