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Post by One F in Dunford on Oct 23, 2022 20:27:32 GMT
Yes you are, because I've explained it clearly, and you've proved it. Good night. Oh come on Shoveler, come to the pub with us, I’ll buy you a drink UTG
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Post by chelt_gas on Oct 23, 2022 21:04:36 GMT
Are you a dentist? This is like pulling teeth. It wouldn't stop me watching Rovers if that's what you're after. Thanks Doc, it's an honest answer and one which I expected. Dentistry is only a hobby for me so I don't take it that seriously and never waste money on things like anaesthetic ! I agree with chewbacca's post that the majority will keep attending and supporting the team, the manager and the beneficial owner no matter who they are. But by now you know by heart the point I'm going to make . . . . nothing will change at Rovers so long as Gasheads unquestionably accept whatever they are told. The next few months will be interesting and I'm wondering whether, when the dust has settled, we will again be told "there was no alternative" when in fact there are plenty of alternatives which would be better for Rovers but not so good for the manager or owner. The supporters of premier league clubs haven’t left following takeovers or involvement of questionable owners. Therefore I doubt our supporters will suddenly adopt an ethical stance by staying at home if there is a questionable source of investment in the club.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 23, 2022 22:18:31 GMT
It is difficult to compare teams from different eras but you compare them with their fellow teams from the same era. And on that basis we achieved more in the past eras than anything we’ve done since 2000. Unfashionable teams getting to the PL doesn’t happen anymore? It does, I’ve watched AFCB in the PL in 6 out of the last 8 seasons and do pretty well in it. But I agree that if JB were to get us to the Championship (and I’d say keep us there for a few seasons) then he would be “right up there.” If. UTG! Bournemouth were backed by a benefactor willing to spend plenty of cash. As are Brentford. Perhaps, but that wasn’t your point was it? It was that “unfashionable teams getting to the PL doesn’t happen anymore.” What you seem to be saying is that teams don’t get to the PL without backing from a benefactor, whether they are fashionable or unfashionable. I don’t expect any team will ever do that without a backer who’s very wealthy now or in the future. And as others have said, thank goodness we had our own benefactor in Wael over the past 3/4 years. UTG!
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 23, 2022 23:26:37 GMT
There's a debate to be had among those not slinging insults at other gasheads. If only the courtesy demanded for the manager was extended to fellow supporters. On another note, while the amorality of the Barton appointment probably has been done to death, it's not unreasonable for the few dissenting writers who remain on Gas Guzzler to respond to Barton supporters' claims (for which there is no evidence) that Barton is sorry and committed to change. His words and action indicate not. I find some of your posts most insulting to fellow Gasheads. Maybe have a look at yourself?
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 23, 2022 23:30:51 GMT
Swiss, are you saying Curtis Warren is an associate of Joey Barton? I’ve been trying to join the dots on that one, but have failed.
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Post by swissgas on Oct 24, 2022 1:52:41 GMT
Swiss, are you saying Curtis Warren is an associate of Joey Barton? I’ve been trying to join the dots on that one, but have failed. A quick internet search shows the link between him and Stephen Vaughan Snr and another search the link between Stephen Vaughan Jnr and JB's best friend Andrew Taylor. Now of course we can kid ourselves and say there is no link between JB and the Vaughan family but is this a reasonable assumption when we know JB is part of the Liverpool sports scene and has a particular interest in boxing so it is hardly likely he has had no association with them ? But, more to the point, what is there to be afraid of if he does know them and might look to them or someone like them to make an investment in Rovers ? Gasheads don't mind where the money comes from and, in the main, we have shown ourselves willing to give people a chance and not let past mistakes or character flaws prevent us supporting someone if we feel it justified. Who is to say the Vaughan family and their associates have not learned from their previous errors of judgement and would now have something worthwhile to contribute to our club ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 6:36:01 GMT
Swiss old fruit, that's still one hell of a leap of faith to somehow assert that Warren would be interested in investing in Rovers.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 24, 2022 7:24:46 GMT
I’ve been trying to join the dots on that one, but have failed. A quick internet search shows the link between him and Stephen Vaughan Snr and another search the link between Stephen Vaughan Jnr and JB's best friend Andrew Taylor. Now of course we can kid ourselves and say there is no link between JB and the Vaughan family but is this a reasonable assumption when we know JB is part of the Liverpool sports scene and has a particular interest in boxing so it is hardly likely he has had no association with them ? But, more to the point, what is there to be afraid of if he does know them and might look to them or someone like them to make an investment in Rovers ? Gasheads don't mind where the money comes from and, in the main, we have shown ourselves willing to give people a chance and not let past mistakes or character flaws prevent us supporting someone if we feel it justified. Who is to say the Vaughan family and their associates have not learned from their previous errors of judgement and would now have something worthwhile to contribute to our club ? I can't see it happening Detective Columbo. Vaughan will be significantly handicapped regarding being involved in any business. He might be busy writing his biography and possibly talking to film makers. How would a bloke like him spend money on Rovers?The law would want to know where the cash came from.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Oct 24, 2022 7:43:30 GMT
I’ve been trying to join the dots on that one, but have failed. A quick internet search shows the link between him and Stephen Vaughan Snr and another search the link between Stephen Vaughan Jnr and JB's best friend Andrew Taylor. Now of course we can kid ourselves and say there is no link between JB and the Vaughan family but is this a reasonable assumption when we know JB is part of the Liverpool sports scene and has a particular interest in boxing so it is hardly likely he has had no association with them ? But, more to the point, what is there to be afraid of if he does know them and might look to them or someone like them to make an investment in Rovers ? Gasheads don't mind where the money comes from and, in the main, we have shown ourselves willing to give people a chance and not let past mistakes or character flaws prevent us supporting someone if we feel it justified. Who is to say the Vaughan family and their associates have not learned from their previous errors of judgement and would now have something worthwhile to contribute to our club ? Given what happened to Chester under the Vaughan’s watch I’m pretty sure Wael has done his homework there. But this is like the equivalent of Farage’s infamous ‘Turning Point’ poster during the Brexit referendum, completely unnecessary scaremongering and totally irrelevant to the reality of the club’s current situation.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 24, 2022 7:59:19 GMT
The supporters of premier league clubs haven’t left following takeovers or involvement of questionable owners. Therefore I doubt our supporters will suddenly adopt an ethical stance by staying at home if there is a questionable source of investment in the club. You only have to look at most Newcastle supporters who are elated over their new owners especially now they are fourth in the Premiership.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 24, 2022 8:22:04 GMT
Do the EFL authorities still 'test' potential FC owners,to see if they are of 'good' enough character to own a FC?
Assuming they do,then I can't see Vaughan passing their test.
There's too much against SV getting involved with Rovers.
Football authorities against it.
He would have to show the law where he got any money spent.
So,if it boils down to just filthy lucre (as suggested by some),effectively Vaughan has'nt got much.
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Post by darloGAS on Oct 24, 2022 8:44:17 GMT
The supporters of premier league clubs haven’t left following takeovers or involvement of questionable owners. Therefore I doubt our supporters will suddenly adopt an ethical stance by staying at home if there is a questionable source of investment in the club. You only have to look at most Newcastle supporters who are elated over their new owners especially now they are fourth in the Premiership. All them Geordies have converted to Islam, Terry. Now they chant: "As-Salaam-Alaikum the lads!"
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Post by rufustfirefly on Oct 24, 2022 9:02:03 GMT
Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.....you couldn't make it up, or could you?
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 24, 2022 9:28:17 GMT
There's a debate to be had among those not slinging insults at other gasheads. If only the courtesy demanded for the manager was extended to fellow supporters. On another note, while the amorality of the Barton appointment probably has been done to death, it's not unreasonable for the few dissenting writers who remain on Gas Guzzler to respond to Barton supporters' claims (for which there is no evidence) that Barton is sorry and committed to change. His words and action indicate not. I find some of your posts most insulting to fellow Gasheads. Maybe have a look at yourself? Insulting? Where's that to then? I would suggest that having strong views about Barton doesn't necessarily lead to Gasheads resorting to pathetic, childish name-calling (to each other).
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 24, 2022 10:24:43 GMT
Do the EFL authorities still 'test' potential FC owners,to see if they are of 'good' enough character to own a FC? Assuming they do,then I can't see Vaughan passing their test. There's too much against SV getting involved with Rovers. Football authorities against it. He would have to show the law where he got any money spent. So,if it boils down to just filthy lucre (as suggested by some),effectively Vaughan has'nt got much. Presuming that you don't already know who he is, google 'Jamal Khashoggi'. People associated with rulers who have political opponents cut into pieces in their own embassy were deemed to be 'fit and proper' owners of a football club. And so, of course, was Roman Abrahmovich. Presumably if blood money is acceptable, then so is any other form. Give me Dunford and his 'milk money' any day.
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 24, 2022 10:27:32 GMT
I find some of your posts most insulting to fellow Gasheads. Maybe have a look at yourself? Insulting? Where's that to then? I would suggest that having strong views about Barton doesn't necessarily lead to Gasheads resorting to pathetic, childish name-calling (to each other). Nothing to do with his views on Barton.
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 24, 2022 10:32:22 GMT
You only have to look at most Newcastle supporters who are elated over their new owners especially now they are fourth in the Premiership. All them Geordies have converted to Islam, Terry. Now they chant: "As-Salaam-Alaikum the lads!"All very amusing until you reflect on just how vile the Saudi regime is. I don't think the families of Jamal Khashoggi or the thousands murdered on 9/11 will be tittering along. It takes some doing to go further than Chelsea's self-degradation, but I think Newcastle have managed it. Taking money from this Vaughan character (if the rumours are true) pales in comparison.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 24, 2022 10:59:40 GMT
All them Geordies have converted to Islam, Terry. Now they chant: "As-Salaam-Alaikum the lads!" All very amusing until you reflect on just how vile the Saudi regime is. I don't think the families of Jamal Khashoggi or the thousands murdered on 9/11 will be tittering along. D'uh that was the point that was made!! Don't you understand irony? Or are you too busy being sanctimonious and self righteous? If you look at my comment and Darlo's follow up that is the point we are making about Newcastle fans and the fact they don't give a **** about the Saudi regime. And if you knew Darlo, you would know that he would be the last person to make light of right wing fascist and authoritarian religious fanatic despots. The point is about Newcastle fans and the thread.
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 24, 2022 11:03:10 GMT
Bournemouth were backed by a benefactor willing to spend plenty of cash. As are Brentford. Perhaps, but that wasn’t your point was it? It was that “unfashionable teams getting to the PL doesn’t happen anymore.” What you seem to be saying is that teams don’t get to the PL without backing from a benefactor, whether they are fashionable or unfashionable. I don’t expect any team will ever do that without a backer who’s very wealthy now or in the future. And as others have said, thank goodness we had our own benefactor in Wael over the past 3/4 years. UTG! Yes it was my point. I didn't mention anything about being fashionable or unfashionable. It doesn't happen anymore. Like I said Oxford, Luton and Wimbledon all won domestic trophies in the space of a couple of seasons. All in grounds not to dissimilar to Twerton. Bournemouth are similar to Oldham I suppose but they've done it by outspending most clubs at the levels they've played at. When in League 1 they were spending on average £3M a season. Then within a year they were spending £40M on transfers. Our record transfer is still Andy Tilson for £375k 30 years ago. Just for a bit of perspective. So why Waels funding is very much appreciated it's nothing like Bournemouth.
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Post by darloGAS on Oct 24, 2022 11:13:20 GMT
All very amusing until you reflect on just how vile the Saudi regime is. I don't think the families of Jamal Khashoggi or the thousands murdered on 9/11 will be tittering along. D'uh that was the point that was made!! Don't you understand irony? Or are you too busy being sanctimonious and self righteous? If you look at my comment and Darlo's follow up that is the point we are making about Newcastle fans and the fact they don't give a **** about the Saudi regime.And if you knew Darlo, you would know that he would be the last person to make light of right wing fascist and authoritarian religious fanatic despots. The point is about Newcastle fans and the thread. Perfectly put, Chesh. Anyway: "Howay the Lads"
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