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Post by toteend3 on Oct 21, 2022 23:12:00 GMT
Like my great friend Father Jack, I'm a Joey convert too and not solely for his managerial abilities. The guy makes me think about things differently and I genuinely hope for Georgia, the kids and his sake, that his wilder days are over. He's not and never will be Darrell, who is my particular favourite Rovers manager ever. That said, his team plays football on a par with David Williams' teams and he has unified the matchday crowd like Darrell, so get a promotion to the second division like Gerry did and then, he's right up there. Thing is there’s a lot of people out there who have addictions whether it’s alcohol, drugs , gambling , violence etc and I speak as one who is troubled. Its very hard, extremely hard to lose that addiction, but I with you on this one and hope his wilder days are over because this man can go all the way to the top. UTG
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 22, 2022 4:11:07 GMT
Like my great friend Father Jack, I'm a Joey convert too and not solely for his managerial abilities. The guy makes me think about things differently and I genuinely hope for Georgia, the kids and his sake, that his wilder days are over. He's not and never will be Darrell, who is my particular favourite Rovers manager ever. That said, his team plays football on a par with David Williams' teams and he has unified the matchday crowd like Darrell, so get a promotion to the second division like Gerry did and then, he's right up there. Pretty much the same as me. I posted previously about my initial thoughts when we appointed him. Firstly just his previous history, the baggage he'd bring, the other court case was ongoing and I thought the general PR of the club would suffer. Then you add his first 8 or 9 months in charge which were absolutely shocking. Then some of his quotes and soundbites were just bizarre. 'The we'll definitely get promoted, no doubt about that' after getting gubbed at Exeter at the time I thought was the strangest one of the lot...... Then something just clicked, performances and results started improving and with every improved result and performance my thoughts began to change. By the end of the season, he had completely won me over, simply because he did what he said he would do after that drubbing at Exeter and got us promoted. Hindsights a wonderful thing, but his recruitment has turned out to be phenomenal as the overwhelming majority of his signings have been absolutely superb both loans and permanents.He's turned me round big time, and I think the professionalism behind the scenes has improved hugely since he's had proper full reigns over the team. Whether it's Joeys work personally or his coaching staff,or a combination of both,the development & improvement of certain players, Aaron Collins and Luca Hoole since the turn of the year, and Ryan Loft just this season to name a few has been brilliant. This squad in terms of depth, is one of the best I can remember, and it's probably the best all round Footballing Rovers side I can remember too. It's got a bit of everything. I'm now confident Joey will get us back to the 2nd tier, and if he does he'll definitely be right up there
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 22, 2022 11:35:10 GMT
For my money he may not be the best manager the gas has ever had (yet), but potentially he could be. I Don’t recall any coach putting together such a strong youthful technically gifted squad of players. He could virtually pick a totally different set of players every week ( oh he did just that the last two matches) the overall performance would be the same. Another strength JB brings to the table is the positive influence he’s had on reshaping how the club was run, we were very much a ragbag tinpot outfit and had been for decades to where we find ourselves now so much.more professional in every department. He is football nut and educates us the fans with his pearls of wisdom where he often thinks outside the box , from piss poor referees to top premier league clubs stockpiling players etc. He’s also not afraid to experiment, such as the Lincoln match which was as a one off ‘ absolutely barking.’ Was anyone worried - not in the slightest All in all we are very fortunate to have him plying his trade at Bristol Rovers and I have absolutely no doubt he will get us ln the Championship if not this season then the next, finally we will be able to say - bring on the city! Then all you younguns can experience a Bristol Derby there is nothing that can compare - it’s better than a harem of women (or maybe not) but that’s how high the bar is! UTG “Another strength JB brings to the table is the positive influence he’s had on reshaping how the club was run, we were very much a ragbag tinpot outfit and had been for decades to where we find ourselves now so much.more professional in every department” every department , really ? . Number plate recognition, ST’s still not working and some not in peoples hands. Other things that certainly do not make me feel part of an extended family, as i once did but that is just my opinion. I hope i get the feeling back , that i used to have. For those that still enjoy it then fair play and hope you have a great time
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 22, 2022 12:14:55 GMT
Like my great friend Father Jack, I'm a Joey convert too and not solely for his managerial abilities. The guy makes me think about things differently and I genuinely hope for Georgia, the kids and his sake, that his wilder days are over. He's not and never will be Darrell, who is my particular favourite Rovers manager ever. That said, his team plays football on a par with David Williams' teams and he has unified the matchday crowd like Darrell, so get a promotion to the second division like Gerry did and then, he's right up there. Thing is there’s a lot of people out there who have addictions whether it’s alcohol, drugs , gambling , violence etc and I speak as one who is troubled. Its very hard, extremely hard to lose that addiction, but I with you on this one and hope his wilder days are over because this man can go all the way to the top. UTG Well said, I'm sure that JB wants his wilder days to be over too, however, life is not always as simple as that, human beings can be very complex people. Fingers crossed for his family and Rovers, that good times are ahead.
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 22, 2022 13:22:34 GMT
Thing is there’s a lot of people out there who have addictions whether it’s alcohol, drugs , gambling , violence etc and I speak as one who is troubled. Its very hard, extremely hard to lose that addiction, but I with you on this one and hope his wilder days are over because this man can go all the way to the top. UTG Well said, I'm sure that JB wants his wilder days to be over too, however, life is not always as simple as that, human beings can be very complex people. Fingers crossed for his family and Rovers, that good times are ahead. One of the first steps to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Showing a degree of contrition also helps. JB hasn't done that and has instead made light of past incidents, including in his role as a club employee. You are aware of how many times he has been given a second chance and how many times he has thrown it back in people's faces?
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Post by toteend3 on Oct 22, 2022 14:04:51 GMT
Well said, I'm sure that JB wants his wilder days to be over too, however, life is not always as simple as that, human beings can be very complex people. Fingers crossed for his family and Rovers, that good times are ahead. One of the first steps to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Showing a degree of contrition also helps. JB hasn't done that and has instead made light of past incidents, including in his role as a club employee. You are aware of how many times he has been given a second chance and how many times he has thrown it back in people's faces? That’s easy for you to say trust me I was hospitalised for three weeks due to my addictions - it is hell you can’t help yourself and Iam still not clear and probably never will be - just because we haven’t got a bandage on our head doesn’t mean we are ok UTG
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 22, 2022 14:48:19 GMT
One of the first steps to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Showing a degree of contrition also helps. JB hasn't done that and has instead made light of past incidents, including in his role as a club employee. You are aware of how many times he has been given a second chance and how many times he has thrown it back in people's faces? That’s easy for you to say trust me I was hospitalised for three weeks due to my addictions - it is hell you can’t help yourself and Iam still not clear and probably never will be - just because we haven’t got a bandage on our head doesn’t mean we are ok UTG True but, by the sound of it, you did seek help, unless i have it wrong and you were taken in , due to overdoing whatever it is.
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 22, 2022 18:30:36 GMT
Well said, I'm sure that JB wants his wilder days to be over too, however, life is not always as simple as that, human beings can be very complex people. Fingers crossed for his family and Rovers, that good times are ahead. One of the first steps to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Showing a degree of contrition also helps. JB hasn't done that and has instead made light of past incidents, including in his role as a club employee. You are aware of how many times he has been given a second chance and how many times he has thrown it back in people's faces? You obviously have not experienced such things yourself. It's not about being given a second chance, it's about being able to overcome the inner demons that drive your behaviour - far easier said than done.
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Post by toteend3 on Oct 22, 2022 21:02:11 GMT
One of the first steps to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Showing a degree of contrition also helps. JB hasn't done that and has instead made light of past incidents, including in his role as a club employee. You are aware of how many times he has been given a second chance and how many times he has thrown it back in people's faces? You obviously have not experienced such things yourself. It's not about being given a second chance, it's about being able to overcome the inner demons that drive your behaviour - far easier said than done. Absolutely Spot On - It doesn’t matter how many times you mess up and vow not to do it again, you do do it again, and again…. In the cold light of day you hate yourself and the embarrassment and shame that goes with it.The best the you can hope for is a lifetime of containment and damage limitation. Just within the football world there’s the likes of George Best, whose alcohol addiction ended up killing him. Then there’s Paul Gascoigne and Paul Merson and closer to home David Pipe all who’s lives had been ruined. On a lighter note well done JB for shaking up the boys at ht we only nearly won it, yet another feather in his cap. UTG
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 22, 2022 22:36:15 GMT
I think it's hard and actually unfair to compare to past teams and era's. Especially Gerry Francis in late 80's, early 90's at Twerton. Back then Oxford, Luton, Wimbledon and Oldham all got to the top flight. Oxford won a League Cup, Wimbledon won an FA Cup and got top 6 finishes in the top flight at that time in grounds not much bigger than Twerton. Cambridge also came close to getting promoted to the Premier League in its inaugural season. That just doesn't happen anymore.If Joey gets us to The Championship, then he has to be right up there. The Mem now is imo worse than Twerton was then in the Football landscape as times gone on. It is difficult to compare teams from different eras but you compare them with their fellow teams from the same era. And on that basis we achieved more in the past eras than anything we’ve done since 2000. Unfashionable teams getting to the PL doesn’t happen anymore? It does, I’ve watched AFCB in the PL in 6 out of the last 8 seasons and do pretty well in it. But I agree that if JB were to get us to the Championship (and I’d say keep us there for a few seasons) then he would be “right up there.” If. UTG!
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 23, 2022 8:53:53 GMT
One of the first steps to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Showing a degree of contrition also helps. JB hasn't done that and has instead made light of past incidents, including in his role as a club employee. You are aware of how many times he has been given a second chance and how many times he has thrown it back in people's faces? You obviously have not experienced such things yourself. It's not about being given a second chance, it's about being able to overcome the inner demons that drive your behaviour - far easier said than done. Wise words Bath Gas. I don't think anyone knows if he is taking professional advice for help in tackling his inner demons (drinking, gambling, penchant for violence). I genuinely hope he is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 9:31:40 GMT
When addicts and the otherwise mentally ill stop blaming addiction and mental illness for their actions, and take sincere and total personal responsibility for everything they have done and do, then with the right support they can reform themselves and build a new life for themselves, from the bottom, working their way back up. I'm sure many of us have this experience. Barton never has: nothing is ever his fault, he excuses, justifies, and minimises. When he's not boasting. Nope.
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Post by oldie on Oct 23, 2022 9:56:28 GMT
When addicts and the otherwise mentally ill stop blaming addiction and mental illness for their actions, and take sincere and total personal responsibility for everything they have done and do, then with the right support they can reform themselves and build a new life for themselves, from the bottom, working their way back up. I'm sure many of us have this experience. Barton never has: nothing is ever his fault, he excuses, justifies, and minimises. When he's not boasting. Nope. I have to say I agree with this. Of course none of us know what Barton is doing to improve his behaviour but to date I have not seen him accept responsibility for what has happened without blaming circumstances or others. I agree with Shoveler, accepting personal culpability is the first step.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 23, 2022 9:57:52 GMT
Joey Barton is managing the team, transfer policy and club, well.
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Post by Gasmad on Oct 23, 2022 10:20:01 GMT
When addicts and the otherwise mentally ill stop blaming addiction and mental illness for their actions, and take sincere and total personal responsibility for everything they have done and do, then with the right support they can reform themselves and build a new life for themselves, from the bottom, working their way back up. I'm sure many of us have this experience. Barton never has: nothing is ever his fault, he excuses, justifies, and minimises. When he's not boasting. Nope. I have to say I agree with this. Of course none of us know what Barton is doing to improve his behaviour but to date I have not seen him accept responsibility for what has happened without blaming circumstances or others. I agree with Shoveler, accepting personal culpability is the first step. Everyone got different ways of dealing with things and we don’t know if he accepts or dismisses his personal problems. But one thing I know Rovers are good to watch nowadays and we seem more of a professional football club since JB come to the mem.
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Post by oldie on Oct 23, 2022 10:53:48 GMT
I have to say I agree with this. Of course none of us know what Barton is doing to improve his behaviour but to date I have not seen him accept responsibility for what has happened without blaming circumstances or others. I agree with Shoveler, accepting personal culpability is the first step. Everyone got different ways of dealing with things and we don’t know if he accepts or dismisses his personal problems. But one thing I know Rovers are good to watch nowadays and we seem more of a professional football club since JB come to the mem. Having witnessed yesterday's game there can be no doubt that Barton has put together a very decent squad and the 2nd half yesterday was outstanding. But this thread is not about that, is it.
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Post by Gasmad on Oct 23, 2022 11:05:09 GMT
Well if he’s unfit too manage Bristol Rovers I can’t wait until he’s fit.
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 23, 2022 11:26:21 GMT
When addicts and the otherwise mentally ill stop blaming addiction and mental illness for their actions, and take sincere and total personal responsibility for everything they have done and do, then with the right support they can reform themselves and build a new life for themselves, from the bottom, working their way back up. I'm sure many of us have this experience. Barton never has: nothing is ever his fault, he excuses, justifies, and minimises. When he's not boasting. Nope. I'm not sure it is helpful to call addiction a mental illness. I have every sympathy for those who struggle with addiction, but I would hesitate to claim that they were suffering from a mental illness, in the same way as somebody with schizophrenia. Its not helpful to call everything that isn't 'normal' an illness - we risk going the same way as the US. At some point we have to hold individuals to account for their behavior. Otherwise you are correct - the minute that Barton takes responsibility and indicates a genuine willingness to change, I will be his most enthusiastic and committed supporter (apart from Basel, of course).
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Post by oldie on Oct 23, 2022 11:30:27 GMT
When addicts and the otherwise mentally ill stop blaming addiction and mental illness for their actions, and take sincere and total personal responsibility for everything they have done and do, then with the right support they can reform themselves and build a new life for themselves, from the bottom, working their way back up. I'm sure many of us have this experience. Barton never has: nothing is ever his fault, he excuses, justifies, and minimises. When he's not boasting. Nope. I'm not sure it is helpful to call addiction a mental illness. I have every sympathy for those who struggle with addiction, but I would hesitate to claim that they were suffering from a mental illness, in the same way as somebody with schizophrenia. Its not helpful to call everything that isn't 'normal' an illness - we risk going the same way as the US. At some point we have to hold individuals to account for their behavior. Otherwise you are correct - the minute that Barton takes responsibility and indicates a genuine willingness to change, I will be his most enthusiastic and committed supporter (apart from Basel, of course). Good post
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 23, 2022 11:38:21 GMT
I think it's hard and actually unfair to compare to past teams and era's. Especially Gerry Francis in late 80's, early 90's at Twerton. Back then Oxford, Luton, Wimbledon and Oldham all got to the top flight. Oxford won a League Cup, Wimbledon won an FA Cup and got top 6 finishes in the top flight at that time in grounds not much bigger than Twerton. Cambridge also came close to getting promoted to the Premier League in its inaugural season. That just doesn't happen anymore.If Joey gets us to The Championship, then he has to be right up there. The Mem now is imo worse than Twerton was then in the Football landscape as times gone on. It is difficult to compare teams from different eras but you compare them with their fellow teams from the same era. And on that basis we achieved more in the past eras than anything we’ve done since 2000. Unfashionable teams getting to the PL doesn’t happen anymore? It does, I’ve watched AFCB in the PL in 6 out of the last 8 seasons and do pretty well in it. But I agree that if JB were to get us to the Championship (and I’d say keep us there for a few seasons) then he would be “right up there.” If. UTG! Your exception actually proves the rule - AFCB got to the Premier League on the back of a rich owner and a disregard for financial rules. Without this they would probably be a L1 side? The PL isn't an entirely closed shop, but it increasingly resembles one.
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