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Post by baselswh on Oct 12, 2022 18:32:10 GMT
Great to see a Rovers manager with a bit of passion. Hear hear Keygas. Joe is absolutely obsessed with the game. He is also obsessed with learning and improving as a manager.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 18:32:44 GMT
In answer, there are a number. Not a large one, as I rather thought I implied. Certainly not large enough to effect change. Especially as Barton seems to have attracted new supporters.
Plenty really really do care. You might not, but I do. We're very different people. More agree with you, congratulations. I remember all the 'good riddance' messages regarding us who do not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 18:52:24 GMT
In answer, there are a number. Not a large one, as I rather thought I implied. Certainly not large enough to effect change. Especially as Barton seems to have attracted new supporters. Plenty really really do care. You might not, but I do. We're very different people. More agree with you, congratulations. I remember all the 'good riddance' messages regarding us who do not. No need for sarcasm. I was trying to discuss with you. Hey ho. As for being different people, we've never (to me) knowingly met, so impossible to say. I'll leave it now. UTFG. 🏴☠️🇪🇸
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 13, 2022 13:44:11 GMT
Tbh, I don’t really care what anyone thinks about what I do or don’t do. I don’t really know why someone not going to a watch football warranted that big a a reply. Enjoy whatever you do or don’t decide to do. I don’t care. I do. I think it's a crying shame that so many Rovers supporters are not attending. Three generations of my family went to matches together. The elder needs to outlive the manager's tenure if ever to see Rovers again. The duckling has lost his football club for over a sixth of his life. But also, I care that if much more did the same, then the empty spaces at the Memorial Ground would send a much firmer message to Al Qadi that the Barton management/takeover/failure is unacceptable to gasheads and need come to a more hasty end. Hope to see or hear you at a Barton-free memorial ground again soon, Sir. I'd be surprised if the number not attending because of JB reaches 3 figures now. Most matches are virtually sold out, so there is the counter argument that new fans are attending, due to the football being exciting to watch (on the whole) - not everything revolves around JB, some people actually like to go and support the lads who are out there in the quarters, giving their all. Each to their own, however, I think that most football supporters go along to watch the footall, not the bench.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 13, 2022 13:57:21 GMT
I do. I think it's a crying shame that so many Rovers supporters are not attending. Three generations of my family went to matches together. The elder needs to outlive the manager's tenure if ever to see Rovers again. The duckling has lost his football club for over a sixth of his life. But also, I care that if much more did the same, then the empty spaces at the Memorial Ground would send a much firmer message to Al Qadi that the Barton management/takeover/failure is unacceptable to gasheads and need come to a more hasty end. Hope to see or hear you at a Barton-free memorial ground again soon, Sir. I'd be surprised if the number not attending because of JB reaches 3 figures now. Most matches are virtually sold out, so there is the counter argument that new fans are attending, due to the football being exciting to watch (on the whole) - not everything revolves around JB, some people actually like to go and support the lads who are out there in the quarters, giving their all. Each to their own, however, I think that most football supporters go along to watch the footall, not the bench. We do seem to have a fair number of totally new fans and many more students. I don’t know if many are Bristolians but it’s a good thing for the club
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Post by rowdenhill on Oct 13, 2022 15:09:02 GMT
666 to go, KP.
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Post by bloogas on Oct 13, 2022 17:09:20 GMT
I do. I think it's a crying shame that so many Rovers supporters are not attending. Three generations of my family went to matches together. The elder needs to outlive the manager's tenure if ever to see Rovers again. The duckling has lost his football club for over a sixth of his life. But also, I care that if much more did the same, then the empty spaces at the Memorial Ground would send a much firmer message to Al Qadi that the Barton management/takeover/failure is unacceptable to gasheads and need come to a more hasty end. Hope to see or hear you at a Barton-free memorial ground again soon, Sir. I'd be surprised if the number not attending because of JB reaches 3 figures now. Most matches are virtually sold out, so there is the counter argument that new fans are attending, due to the football being exciting to watch (on the whole) - not everything revolves around JB, some people actually like to go and support the lads who are out there in the quarters, giving their all. Each to their own, however, I think that most football supporters go along to watch the footall, not the bench. Too right.
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Post by oldie on Oct 13, 2022 17:49:46 GMT
I do. I think it's a crying shame that so many Rovers supporters are not attending. Three generations of my family went to matches together. The elder needs to outlive the manager's tenure if ever to see Rovers again. The duckling has lost his football club for over a sixth of his life. But also, I care that if much more did the same, then the empty spaces at the Memorial Ground would send a much firmer message to Al Qadi that the Barton management/takeover/failure is unacceptable to gasheads and need come to a more hasty end. Hope to see or hear you at a Barton-free memorial ground again soon, Sir. I'd be surprised if the number not attending because of JB reaches 3 figures now. Most matches are virtually sold out, so there is the counter argument that new fans are attending, due to the football being exciting to watch (on the whole) - not everything revolves around JB, some people actually like to go and support the lads who are out there in the quarters, giving their all. Each to their own, however, I think that most football supporters go along to watch the footall, not the bench. Most likely. I think the point about new, younger people (born post 1996, when we came back to Bristol perhaps) is a good one. The past, prior to that, is nothing to them. The club still has a lot of entertainment "credit" due to what happened at the end of last season so hopefully results going forward will cash in on that. It seems to be the case so far. I don't see any point debating Barton anymore, other than in the context of the football. We cannot change it, let's just watch it play out.
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 13, 2022 18:08:25 GMT
I'd be surprised if the number not attending because of JB reaches 3 figures now. Most matches are virtually sold out, so there is the counter argument that new fans are attending, due to the football being exciting to watch (on the whole) - not everything revolves around JB, some people actually like to go and support the lads who are out there in the quarters, giving their all. Each to their own, however, I think that most football supporters go along to watch the footall, not the bench. Most likely. I think the point about new, younger people (born post 1996, when we came back to Bristol perhaps) is a good one. The past, prior to that, is nothing to them. The club still has a lot of entertainment "credit" due to what happened at the end of last season so hopefully results going forward will cash in on that. It seems to be the case so far. I don't see any point debating Barton anymore, other than in the context of the football. We cannot change it, let's just watch it play out. Indeed, people have their own reasons for going/not going, whichever side of the fence they come down on, nobody is better than anybody else because of what they decide. It's all been done to death really. I was quite shocked at the pre-season friendly at Twerton Park to learn that a lot of the players never knew that Rovers had played there for 10 years. Makes me realise how old I'm getting, as I remember it well. It is nice to see a good number of young children at The Mem now, as some were predicting that we would lose a whole generation of fans. People enjoy a winning team, whatever level they are playing at - apparently there were lots of empty seats across town last night.
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Post by oldie on Oct 13, 2022 18:22:53 GMT
Most likely. I think the point about new, younger people (born post 1996, when we came back to Bristol perhaps) is a good one. The past, prior to that, is nothing to them. The club still has a lot of entertainment "credit" due to what happened at the end of last season so hopefully results going forward will cash in on that. It seems to be the case so far. I don't see any point debating Barton anymore, other than in the context of the football. We cannot change it, let's just watch it play out. Indeed, people have their own reasons for going/not going, whichever side of the fence they come down on, nobody is better than anybody else because of what they decide. It's all been done to death really. I was quite shocked at the pre-season friendly at Twerton Park to learn that a lot of the players never knew that Rovers had played there for 10 years. Makes me realise how old I'm getting, as I remember it well. It is nice to see a good number of young children at The Mem now, as some were predicting that we would lose a whole generation of fans. People enjoy a winning team, whatever level they are playing at - apparently there were lots of empty seats across town last night. Absolutely. That's the task for Gorringe and co, to get the newer generations through the gate. I think a lot of positive steps have been taken in the last couple of years. The whole experience at the Mem is so much better than it was, I actually look forward to getting into ground now, with the fan zone, outside bars etc. And ticketing. The ability to buy a ticket online and download it to my phone is a huge benefit to those of us who do not reside in Bristol. We used to have to call, hope the post would arrive pre match day or phone a friend to go to the ground and buy one. No younger person is going to put up with that BS these days. Onwards and upwards.
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Post by The Concept on Oct 13, 2022 19:55:09 GMT
I don't know that there's a big difference in attendance numbers; I'd say it's very similar to last time we gained promotion from the 4th Tier, with the crest of a wave and optimism that brings.
What I find refreshing is the diversity of faces I see now at The Mem. For many years that didn't change much from our days at Eastville, when in a more multi-cultural area, and may for some time have actually gone backwards since the 70s.
Last Saturday Jay0117 was let loose for a take-over of Rovers Instagram stories, and it was noticeable the number of black and Asian Rovers fans that he interviewed or were on camera.
I think we have the Community Trust to thank for a large part, with the outreach work they do, and more people now feel comfortable going to football matches. And I would also say The Gas Girls play a big role, which we missed for a number of years, and they bring an all-round affiliation with the club to the wider community.
The Fan Zone certainly plays a big part and I've said for a long time that going to a football match should be an event, with more going on in the build-up to the actual game. I sent suggestions to the club in the past and some were taken up, such as the big mobile climbing wall, that was put up for a game where the Fan Zone is now - it was great to see a large queue of kids waiting their turn to beat the timer.
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Post by bondigas on Oct 13, 2022 20:20:09 GMT
That's great, but what if our manager is found guilty in two weeks time of battering his wife ! Where do we go from there ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 22:28:14 GMT
Down?
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Post by oldie on Oct 14, 2022 9:05:07 GMT
Hopefully not. The reality is Shoveler, there is nothing we can do or say about the manager's life outside of his employment with the club that will change anything now. Let the law and courts play out and then let's see. Maybe not even then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 10:24:00 GMT
That's true. There's no reason not to shut up and duck off, as oft requested.
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Post by oldie on Oct 14, 2022 10:46:53 GMT
That's true. There's no reason not to shut up and duck off, as oft requested. No I agree. You can say what you like. But is it productive now? If Barton is found guilty of assaulting his wife then I suspect many will find it untenable to be in the ground with him as manager, including me.
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 14, 2022 11:29:32 GMT
That's true. There's no reason not to shut up and duck off, as oft requested. No I agree. You can say what you like. But is it productive now? If Barton is found guilty of assaulting his wife then I suspect many will find it untenable to be in the ground with him as manager, including me. Look at the length of the contract that Wael gave JB. I think there are strong grounds for assuming that it is very likely that JB will not be found guilty. Wael, bless him, isn't the sharpest tool in the box but I think we are safe in assuming that he wouldn't give out a contract of this length unless he had some pretty strong assurances in this regard. Refer to the Giggs trial, which went to retrial, despite the evidence, in my view, appearing pretty strong. Would it be remiss of me to suggest that a higher legal threshold applies applies to celebrities (both 'A' list ones and 'C' list ones like 'our Joey')?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 11:31:35 GMT
That's true. There's no reason not to shut up and duck off, as oft requested. By who?
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Post by baselswh on Oct 14, 2022 11:36:30 GMT
That's true. There's no reason not to shut up and duck off, as oft requested. By who? Maybe Shoveller has the gift of extrasensory perception.ESP. This is an attempt at humour if anyone is concerned.
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Post by oldie on Oct 14, 2022 11:37:45 GMT
No I agree. You can say what you like. But is it productive now? If Barton is found guilty of assaulting his wife then I suspect many will find it untenable to be in the ground with him as manager, including me. Look at the length of the contract that Wael gave JB. I think there are strong grounds for assuming that it is very likely that JB will not be found guilty. Wael, bless him, isn't the sharpest tool in the box but I think we are safe in assuming that he wouldn't give out a contract of this length unless he had some pretty strong assurances in this regard. Refer to the Giggs trial, which went to retrial, despite the evidence, in my view, appearing pretty strong. Would it be remiss of me to suggest that a higher legal threshold applies applies to celebrities (both 'A' list ones and 'C' list ones like 'our Joey')? Some brave assumptions there RITS. I very much doubt that the CPS have shared their evidence with the board of BRFC, so the board are taking a punt. I also don't know on what basis you can say Wael is not the "sharpest tool in the box"? What draws you to that conclusion?
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