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Post by Bamber Gashead on Sept 21, 2022 16:11:52 GMT
Keep the thread. Keep the title. When we're sitting pretty in the championship under JB, I'm sure you'll remind us of this...
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Post by billyocean on Sept 21, 2022 17:02:42 GMT
and was a completely different league structure. Is 9th in Division Three South the same as 18th in Division 3? It’s impossible to say. I think going back to 1959 is a pretty reasonable way of getting our “natural place”. It was a 92 team linear league structure where you can actually work out an average position. Too much time on my hands... However I've got an excel spreadsheet and I'm not afraid to use it. With the '1st' season being 1958-1959 (if my maths is correct): Rovers average position is 56.6 ie between 12th and 13th in League 1 A high of 28th in 1958-59 A low of 94th in 2014-2015 Over the last painful 20 years, Rovers average position has fallen to 71.8 ie between 3rd and 4th in League 2. (Whilst trawling through the data the sh*ts average position is 41.6 ie between 21st and 22nd in the championship Over the last 20 years sh*ts average position has improved slightly to 39.3 ie between 19th and 20th in the championship). It is. What it is. Thank you for posting epping. I found this all very interesting but what I'd really like to know is whether or not these analyses were prepared whilst "working from home"...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 17:23:56 GMT
the original poster isn't around to change it. Afternoon good Sir. I do read the most interesting bits and pieces still, but my detachment from BRFC made my ongoing contribution increasingly pointless, often unwanted. In any case, I don't know why I would change the title of a thread I convened regarding Joey Barton being unfit to manage Bristol Rovers. He still is, in my opinion; more so even. Others disagree and have said so. Good on them. I would have thought that those not wishing to discuss the subject could start and reply to other threads instead, though. Joey Barton being unfit to manage Bristol Rovers is the sole reason my entire family have been absent since The Memorial Ground reopened to supporters. The title of this thread remains my absolute assertion, and I don't think you need to censor it. This place has a good record on freedom of speech, usually moderating only abusive language and spam, as far as I've observed. Thanks for reading, and as I write to you all here so rarely now, I hope you're all well, gasheads.
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Post by JeffNZ on Sept 21, 2022 23:30:45 GMT
Change the title so it won't upset people? Sounds like a bit of snowflake, woke, cancel culture to me.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 22, 2022 1:01:15 GMT
This is probably the best and most accurate website out there which chronicles every clubs league positions and average attendance. If a boffin wants to add all our league positions up and work out the average whether it's from 1920 or 1959 then feel free. Our average attendance over our history is 9,648 which puts us at 52nd. Our highest ever attendance of 38,472 puts us 47th. I imagine our average league position would probably be in the same ball park. Knock yourselves out european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/brir.htm
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 22, 2022 7:44:16 GMT
Change the title so it won't upset people? Sounds like a bit of snowflake, woke, cancel culture to me. Ouch! Now where have I heard that before
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Post by baselswh on Sept 22, 2022 7:45:14 GMT
It was simply about abit of respect for Bristol Rovers manager.
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 22, 2022 7:56:17 GMT
Too much time on my hands... However I've got an excel spreadsheet and I'm not afraid to use it. With the '1st' season being 1958-1959 (if my maths is correct): Rovers average position is 56.6 ie between 12th and 13th in League 1 A high of 28th in 1958-59 A low of 94th in 2014-2015 Over the last painful 20 years, Rovers average position has fallen to 71.8 ie between 3rd and 4th in League 2. (Whilst trawling through the data the sh*ts average position is 41.6 ie between 21st and 22nd in the championship Over the last 20 years sh*ts average position has improved slightly to 39.3 ie between 19th and 20th in the championship). It is. What it is. Thank you for posting epping. I found this all very interesting but what I'd really like to know is whether or not these analyses were prepared whilst "working from home"... I'm "in-between jobs". Waiting for some part-time work to come in. I can't work full time as that would interrupt my cycling and commitment to the analysis of football statistics.
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2022 8:14:28 GMT
Thank you for posting epping. I found this all very interesting but what I'd really like to know is whether or not these analyses were prepared whilst "working from home"... I'm "in-between jobs". Waiting for some part-time work to come in. I can't work full time as that would interrupt my cycling and commitment to the analysis of football statistics. 😂😂
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Sept 22, 2022 8:19:15 GMT
Ah, I do enjoy a good fairytale Imagine, running a club who is already losing around 3 million pa then having to pay for the training facility to be changed and added to plus trying to get a stadium for said club. As the family are in finance then I’d imagine they are not that keen on underwriting continual losses plus then building a stadium and sorting the training facility. It’s no fairy tale but more a horror story, think about it Wait until you find out that Geoff Dunford turned down a good offer from Bath Uni to train at their world class facilities, and then charged Rovers a lot more to use the Beeches. It’s always gone on.
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2022 8:24:18 GMT
Imagine, running a club who is already losing around 3 million pa then having to pay for the training facility to be changed and added to plus trying to get a stadium for said club. As the family are in finance then I’d imagine they are not that keen on underwriting continual losses plus then building a stadium and sorting the training facility. It’s no fairy tale but more a horror story, think about it Wait until you find out that Geoff Dunford turned down a good offer from Bath Uni to train at their world class facilities, and then charged Rovers a lot more to use the Beeches. It’s always gone on. I had forgotten that.
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 22, 2022 9:12:00 GMT
It was simply about abit of respect for Bristol Rovers manager. I think it makes our supporter base look rather tin pot, the fact that people revel in reviving this thread whenever things aren't going so well. As a football manager, JB has earned respect from his peers, and the majority of our fanbase, for what he achieved last season, and the quality of players which he has been able to bring to the club. On the whole I find that this forum is pretty much "anti" most things connected to Rovers, apart from a few posters who can see the positives. I do like reading views which are different to my own, although quiet a lot of the posts on here seem to be fuelled by dislike of the manager, rather than what is happening on the pitch.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 22, 2022 9:17:38 GMT
It was simply about abit of respect for Bristol Rovers manager. I think it makes our supporter base look rather tin pot, the fact that people revel in reviving this thread whenever things aren't going so well. As a football manager, JB has earned respect from his peers, and the majority of our fanbase, for what he achieved last season, and the quality of players which he has been able to bring to the club. On the whole I find that this forum is pretty much "anti" most things connected to Rovers, apart from a few posters who can see the positives. I do like reading views which are different to my own, although quiet a lot of the posts on here seem to be fuelled by dislike of the manager, rather than what is happening on the pitch. Hear hear Bath!
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2022 9:21:11 GMT
It was simply about abit of respect for Bristol Rovers manager. I think it makes our supporter base look rather tin pot, the fact that people revel in reviving this thread whenever things aren't going so well. As a football manager, JB has earned respect from his peers, and the majority of our fanbase, for what he achieved last season, and the quality of players which he has been able to bring to the club. On the whole I find that this forum is pretty much "anti" most things connected to Rovers, apart from a few posters who can see the positives. I do like reading views which are different to my own, although quiet a lot of the posts on here seem to be fuelled by dislike of the manager, rather than what is happening on the pitch. But What is happening on the pitch is that we lost 3-6, at home.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 22, 2022 9:42:21 GMT
I think it makes our supporter base look rather tin pot, the fact that people revel in reviving this thread whenever things aren't going so well. As a football manager, JB has earned respect from his peers, and the majority of our fanbase, for what he achieved last season, and the quality of players which he has been able to bring to the club. On the whole I find that this forum is pretty much "anti" most things connected to Rovers, apart from a few posters who can see the positives. I do like reading views which are different to my own, although quiet a lot of the posts on here seem to be fuelled by dislike of the manager, rather than what is happening on the pitch. But What is happening on the pitch is that we lost 3-6, at home. What's your point? Explain please.
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 22, 2022 10:01:39 GMT
I think it makes our supporter base look rather tin pot, the fact that people revel in reviving this thread whenever things aren't going so well. As a football manager, JB has earned respect from his peers, and the majority of our fanbase, for what he achieved last season, and the quality of players which he has been able to bring to the club. On the whole I find that this forum is pretty much "anti" most things connected to Rovers, apart from a few posters who can see the positives. I do like reading views which are different to my own, although quiet a lot of the posts on here seem to be fuelled by dislike of the manager, rather than what is happening on the pitch. But What is happening on the pitch is that we lost 3-6, at home. Perfect example - as I said, this forum is more active when things aren't going so well, some people come back out of the woodwork (not you Oldie). I thought that Saturday was an entertaining game, we had more shots, and more possession than Lincoln, and looked good going forward, our downfall was the defending, which, considering the injuries at the moment, is not likely to continue in that vein once we are at full strength. But let's just focus on the loss, not the whole picture.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 22, 2022 10:22:44 GMT
It was simply about abit of respect for Bristol Rovers manager. I think it makes our supporter base look rather tin pot, the fact that people revel in reviving this thread whenever things aren't going so well. As a football manager, JB has earned respect from his peers, and the majority of our fanbase, for what he achieved last season, and the quality of players which he has been able to bring to the club. On the whole I find that this forum is pretty much "anti" most things connected to Rovers, apart from a few posters who can see the positives. I do like reading views which are different to my own, although quiet a lot of the posts on here seem to be fuelled by dislike of the manager, rather than what is happening on the pitch. Very much the way I see it. I was pretty vocal when Barton was 1st appointed, I didn't want him as manager simply because of the 'Baggage', his long list of misdemeanours, plus court cases ongoing etc, then our record for about 8 months under him was shocking, then some of his quotes and soundbites were bizarre. However he won me over, simply because he did what he said he would do, get us promoted. Also in hindsight his signings have been, bar the odd one or two absolutely superb. Belshaw imo the best Keeper we've had for over 30 years since Nigel Martyn, Connor Taylor and James Connoly at both 20 years of age were a revelation, eventually getting Connoly permanently, Coutts, Finley, Whelan and Harry Anderson all crucial workhorses, Anthony Evans guile and creativity and a Free Kick specialist we probably haven't seen since Mark Walters, Aaron Collins is now one of the most prolific strikers across all Divisions and whether it was his links to Newcastle, scouting or whatever enticing the Geordie genius to join us for 6 months was an absolute masterstroke. He's turned me round big time, and I think the professionalism behind the scenes has improved ten fold since Barton has had proper reigns over the team. Imo he deserves a lot more respect, but each to their own and others will have their own reason which of course they're entitled too.
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2022 10:43:54 GMT
But What is happening on the pitch is that we lost 3-6, at home. Perfect example - as I said, this forum is more active when things aren't going so well, some people come back out of the woodwork (not you Oldie). I thought that Saturday was an entertaining game, we had more shots, and more possession than Lincoln, and looked good going forward, our downfall was the defending, which, considering the injuries at the moment, is not likely to continue in that vein once we are at full strength. But let's just focus on the loss, not the whole picture. I get where you are coming from. But taking your point, the whole picture, would you agree that the summer recruitment left a lot to be desired? Yes injuries to Connolly were unlucky, that was a good signing. But Rossiter, Gibson (I think I have the names right) were players already carrying injuries or with terrible injury problems historically. The young full back who had been on Brentford's books, a gamble that is yet to proven. The trumpeting of the Clarke contract extension only for Barton to effectively sack him a couple of weeks later, only to reinstate him after another couple of weeks. Then the farce last Saturday. What was that all about? The formation and tactics were, in my opinion, unprofessional for an EFL manager. They resulted in us leaking 6 goals, at home, to a very average Lincoln team. Surely when problems occur with team selection you put a team out and employ tactics to grind out results until your first choices are available? Aiming for a point and 0-0 if needs be? So looking at the bigger picture I personally am unconvinced by Barton. He had the opportunity to build on last season's success and build on that core team. Securing Connolly and McCormick look like a step in the right direction but here we are 9 games in and sitting 21st and in the relegation zone. We need to win Saturday, badly.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 22, 2022 11:03:22 GMT
Last season we started with a back three then out of necessity we went to a four. Our run we seemed to play 4 2 3 1. Now he is saying 3 4 3 is the way to go. Has he recruited to play this system? How does Evan's fit in?
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Post by baselswh on Sept 22, 2022 11:19:58 GMT
I think it makes our supporter base look rather tin pot, the fact that people revel in reviving this thread whenever things aren't going so well. As a football manager, JB has earned respect from his peers, and the majority of our fanbase, for what he achieved last season, and the quality of players which he has been able to bring to the club. On the whole I find that this forum is pretty much "anti" most things connected to Rovers, apart from a few posters who can see the positives. I do like reading views which are different to my own, although quiet a lot of the posts on here seem to be fuelled by dislike of the manager, rather than what is happening on the pitch. Very much the way I see it. I was pretty vocal when Barton was 1st appointed, I didn't want him as manager simply because of the 'Baggage', his long list of misdemeanours, plus court cases ongoing etc, then our record for about 8 months under him was shocking, then some of his quotes and soundbites were bizarre. However he won me over, simply because he did what he said he would do, get us promoted. Also in hindsight his signings have been, bar the odd one or two absolutely superb. Belshaw imo the best Keeper we've had for over 30 years since Nigel Martyn, Connor Taylor and James Connoly at both 20 years of age were a revelation, eventually getting Connoly permanently, Coutts, Finley, Whelan and Harry Anderson all crucial workhorses, Anthony Evans guile and creativity and a Free Kick specialist we probably haven't seen since Mark Walters, Aaron Collins is now one of the most prolific strikers across all Divisions and whether it was his links to Newcastle, scouting or whatever enticing the Geordie genius to join us for 6 months was an absolute masterstroke. He's turned me round big time, and I think the professionalism behind the scenes has improved ten fold since Barton has had proper reigns over the team. Imo he deserves a lot more respect, but each to their own and others will have their own reason which of course they're entitled too. Far too early to judge signings.JB has a very good record in that department. Did you moan about GCs tactics? Well maybe you could appreciate the throwing of the dice concerning the Lincoln game.JB actually tried to win that game and as has been stated,with better finishing we could of won 7 6 eg. Did you attend the game? Sky highlights offered only a small percentage of the action. The bigger picture is,we are in a marathon, not a sprint. The "cavalry" will arrive and see JB improve the team. JB has a good record concerning signings. Even if we get beaten by Stanley,I think sometime in October we'll perk up.
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