kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 22, 2022 11:22:41 GMT
Imagine, running a club who is already losing around 3 million pa then having to pay for the training facility to be changed and added to plus trying to get a stadium for said club. As the family are in finance then I’d imagine they are not that keen on underwriting continual losses plus then building a stadium and sorting the training facility. It’s no fairy tale but more a horror story, think about it Wait until you find out that Geoff Dunford turned down a good offer from Bath Uni to train at their world class facilities, and then charged Rovers a lot more to use the Beeches. It’s always gone on. Heard much about the going on with the Beeches and even from people who have no interest in football. Yes, you are absolutely right in that this has always been a part, albeit unsavoury, of the club we chose to support.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 22, 2022 11:26:28 GMT
It was simply about abit of respect for Bristol Rovers manager. I think it makes our supporter base look rather tin pot, the fact that people revel in reviving this thread whenever things aren't going so well. As a football manager, JB has earned respect from his peers, and the majority of our fanbase, for what he achieved last season, and the quality of players which he has been able to bring to the club. On the whole I find that this forum is pretty much "anti" most things connected to Rovers, apart from a few posters who can see the positives. I do like reading views which are different to my own, although quiet a lot of the posts on here seem to be fuelled by dislike of the manager, rather than what is happening on the pitch. One can write what they know and others then take it from wishing their own filters. One thing i am sure of, none of us wants the club to fail BG, absolutely none. Please remember that and i mean that with the utmost respect.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2022 11:37:45 GMT
Think you're quoting the wrong one Bas. He seems to agree with you, me, Bath Gas and others.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 22, 2022 11:57:47 GMT
Very much the way I see it. I was pretty vocal when Barton was 1st appointed, I didn't want him as manager simply because of the 'Baggage', his long list of misdemeanours, plus court cases ongoing etc, then our record for about 8 months under him was shocking, then some of his quotes and soundbites were bizarre. However he won me over, simply because he did what he said he would do, get us promoted. Also in hindsight his signings have been, bar the odd one or two absolutely superb. Belshaw imo the best Keeper we've had for over 30 years since Nigel Martyn, Connor Taylor and James Connoly at both 20 years of age were a revelation, eventually getting Connoly permanently, Coutts, Finley, Whelan and Harry Anderson all crucial workhorses, Anthony Evans guile and creativity and a Free Kick specialist we probably haven't seen since Mark Walters, Aaron Collins is now one of the most prolific strikers across all Divisions and whether it was his links to Newcastle, scouting or whatever enticing the Geordie genius to join us for 6 months was an absolute masterstroke. He's turned me round big time, and I think the professionalism behind the scenes has improved ten fold since Barton has had proper reigns over the team. Imo he deserves a lot more respect, but each to their own and others will have their own reason which of course they're entitled too. Far too early to judge signings.JB has a very good record in that department. Did you moan about GCs tactics? Well maybe you could appreciate the throwing of the dice concerning the Lincoln game.JB actually tried to win that game and as has been stated,with better finishing we could of won 7 6 eg. Did you attend the game? Sky highlights offered only a small percentage of the action. The bigger picture is,we are in a marathon, not a sprint. The "cavalry" will arrive and see JB improve the team. JB has a good record concerning signings. Even if we get beaten by Stanley,I think sometime in October we'll perk up. Think you may have perhaps meant to reply to Oldie, Bas
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 22, 2022 12:19:19 GMT
Perfect example - as I said, this forum is more active when things aren't going so well, some people come back out of the woodwork (not you Oldie). I thought that Saturday was an entertaining game, we had more shots, and more possession than Lincoln, and looked good going forward, our downfall was the defending, which, considering the injuries at the moment, is not likely to continue in that vein once we are at full strength. But let's just focus on the loss, not the whole picture. I get where you are coming from. But taking your point, the whole picture, would you agree that the summer recruitment left a lot to be desired? Yes injuries to Connolly were unlucky, that was a good signing. But Rossiter, Gibson (I think I have the names right) were players already carrying injuries or with terrible injury problems historically. The young full back who had been on Brentford's books, a gamble that is yet to proven. The trumpeting of the Clarke contract extension only for Barton to effectively sack him a couple of weeks later, only to reinstate him after another couple of weeks. Then the farce last Saturday. What was that all about? The formation and tactics were, in my opinion, unprofessional for an EFL manager. They resulted in us leaking 6 goals, at home, to a very average Lincoln team. Surely when problems occur with team selection you put a team out and employ tactics to grind out results until your first choices are available? Aiming for a point and 0-0 if needs be? So looking at the bigger picture I personally am unconvinced by Barton. He had the opportunity to build on last season's success and build on that core team. Securing Connolly and McCormick look like a step in the right direction but here we are 9 games in and sitting 21st and in the relegation zone. We need to win Saturday, badly. I think it's still too early to judge most of the signings, partly due to injuries, and I'd like to see how they play when we are able to field our strongest team. For example, Gordon is a young lad, he's been playing with different people most weeks, and is not surrounded by experience in the defensive positions (people playing our of position). The treatment of Trevor Clarke was a big negative for me. It obviously wasn't a kick up the backside, as I thought Clarke played fairly well against FGR. I do get what JB was trying to say in the post match interview - that he would have expected to be able to field a stronger team, however, he shouldn't have named individual players. It then escalated a couple of days later, with the statement that Clarke, Westbrooke and Rodman were not part of his plans. The trio were not treated well, having to train separately from the first team squad etc. Fair play to Clarke for being big enough to sieze his opportunity when it came along, and I hope that's all behind us now, and I suppose it says something about JB that Clarke still wants to play for him - I guess bridges have been built.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 22, 2022 12:32:41 GMT
Far too early to judge signings.JB has a very good record in that department. Did you moan about GCs tactics? Well maybe you could appreciate the throwing of the dice concerning the Lincoln game.JB actually tried to win that game and as has been stated,with better finishing we could of won 7 6 eg. Did you attend the game? Sky highlights offered only a small percentage of the action. The bigger picture is,we are in a marathon, not a sprint. The "cavalry" will arrive and see JB improve the team. JB has a good record concerning signings. Even if we get beaten by Stanley,I think sometime in October we'll perk up. Think you may have perhaps meant to reply to Oldie, Bas Oops! Yes,beg your pardon Gast.👍 Working and posting etc...
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Post by baselswh on Sept 22, 2022 12:34:40 GMT
Think you're quoting the wrong one Bas. He seems to agree with you, me, Bath Gas and others. Yes,thanks DrF.👍 Working and posting....
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2022 12:48:20 GMT
But What is happening on the pitch is that we lost 3-6, at home. Perfect example - as I said, this forum is more active when things aren't going so well, some people come back out of the woodwork (not you Oldie). I thought that Saturday was an entertaining game, we had more shots, and more possession than Lincoln, and looked good going forward, our downfall was the defending, which, considering the injuries at the moment, is not likely to continue in that vein once we are at full strength. But let's just focus on the loss, not the whole picture. Thanks BG, don’t disagree with much of that. But if you drill down into Saturdays selection you can see that JB had the opportunity to select a back 4 with players playing in their normal positions. He chose not to do it even though he appealed Alfie’s red card then didn’t play him. So not sure that our injuries had much to do with our loss on Saturday, more to do with team selection, imo. It was a very strange selection. And it is that selection for which he has been criticised this week. Just like any manager, anywhere, who’s just lost 3-6. UTG!
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 22, 2022 13:59:06 GMT
Perfect example - as I said, this forum is more active when things aren't going so well, some people come back out of the woodwork (not you Oldie). I thought that Saturday was an entertaining game, we had more shots, and more possession than Lincoln, and looked good going forward, our downfall was the defending, which, considering the injuries at the moment, is not likely to continue in that vein once we are at full strength. But let's just focus on the loss, not the whole picture. Thanks BG, don’t disagree with much of that. But if you drill down into Saturdays selection you can see that JB had the opportunity to select a back 4 with players playing in their normal positions. He chose not to do it even though he appealed Alfie’s red card then didn’t play him. So not sure that our injuries had much to do with our loss on Saturday, more to do with team selection, imo. It was a very strange selection. And it is that selection for which he has been criticised this week. Just like any manager, anywhere, who’s just lost 3-6. UTG! Yes, it was a strange selection. Although, JB has done strange selections in the past and they've come off, some you win some you lose.
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2022 14:09:34 GMT
Thanks BG, don’t disagree with much of that. But if you drill down into Saturdays selection you can see that JB had the opportunity to select a back 4 with players playing in their normal positions. He chose not to do it even though he appealed Alfie’s red card then didn’t play him. So not sure that our injuries had much to do with our loss on Saturday, more to do with team selection, imo. It was a very strange selection. And it is that selection for which he has been criticised this week. Just like any manager, anywhere, who’s just lost 3-6. UTG! Yes, it was a strange selection. Although, JB has done strange selections in the past and they've come off, some you win some you lose. You sure do. However this season so far, out of 9 games, we have lost most and won 2. That's 20% of the season pi**ed up against the wall. I was thinking how the employee (Barton in this case) would address that in a Performance Review meeting. Would be interesting.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 22, 2022 14:15:55 GMT
Yes, it was a strange selection. Although, JB has done strange selections in the past and they've come off, some you win some you lose. You sure do. However this season so far, out of 9 games, we have lost most and won 2. That's 20% of the season pi**ed up against the wall. I was thinking how the employee (Barton in this case) would address that in a Performance Review meeting. Would be interesting. I imagine much the same way he has to the media and public. "Cavalry" (injured players) are on their way. October Oldie,sometime in October we'll perk up.
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2022 14:27:10 GMT
You sure do. However this season so far, out of 9 games, we have lost most and won 2. That's 20% of the season pi**ed up against the wall. I was thinking how the employee (Barton in this case) would address that in a Performance Review meeting. Would be interesting. I imagine much the same way he has to the media and public. "Cavalry" (injured players) are on their way. October Oldie,sometime in October we'll perk up. We shall see. Play Accrington off the park Saturday and I might accept your blind optimism. My heart so wants this to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2022 14:43:36 GMT
Yes, it was a strange selection. Although, JB has done strange selections in the past and they've come off, some you win some you lose. You sure do. However this season so far, out of 9 games, we have lost most and won 2. That's 20% of the season pi**ed up against the wall. I was thinking how the employee (Barton in this case) would address that in a Performance Review meeting. Would be interesting. Tut tut. You'll the have bossy moderator on your case. 4 games from 9 brought positive points increases. Using that as a base, 5/46 of the season meet your rather daft "pissed against the wall" description. That's just under 11%. Anyway, have fun.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 22, 2022 14:58:49 GMT
I imagine much the same way he has to the media and public. "Cavalry" (injured players) are on their way. October Oldie,sometime in October we'll perk up. We shall see. Play Accrington off the park Saturday and I might accept your blind optimism. My heart so wants this to happen. It is'nt "blind optimism ".
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2022 15:05:11 GMT
We shall see. Play Accrington off the park Saturday and I might accept your blind optimism. My heart so wants this to happen. It is'nt "blind optimism ". What's the basis for your optimism then...
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2022 15:12:09 GMT
You sure do. However this season so far, out of 9 games, we have lost most and won 2. That's 20% of the season pi**ed up against the wall. I was thinking how the employee (Barton in this case) would address that in a Performance Review meeting. Would be interesting. Tut tut. You'll the have bossy moderator on your case. 4 games from 9 brought positive points increases. Using that as a base, 5/46 of the season meet your rather daft "pissed against the wall" description. That's just under 11%. Anyway, have fun. 🤔😂😂 Ok so let's try another way. With 20% of the season gone we have earned just under 30% of the available points. If we do a crude extrapolation that would equate to 41 points for the season. Which is relegation. Now even if I still believe that we have enough in the team to not get relegated. But either way you play this has been an awful start to the season. Beat Accrington Saturday and it will change the picture.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 22, 2022 16:00:17 GMT
Yes, it was a strange selection. Although, JB has done strange selections in the past and they've come off, some you win some you lose. You sure do. However this season so far, out of 9 games, we have lost most and won 2. That's 20% of the season pi**ed up against the wall. I was thinking how the employee (Barton in this case) would address that in a Performance Review meeting. Would be interesting. I would say, I delivered what I promised last season, where we also had a similar start to this one. As I and the team proved last season, its the results, points tally and league position in May that counts. Not September. Also you offered me a 4 year contract recently. Maybe lets have this employee review meeting in say 18 months time, eh!
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2022 21:34:10 GMT
You sure do. However this season so far, out of 9 games, we have lost most and won 2. That's 20% of the season pi**ed up against the wall. I was thinking how the employee (Barton in this case) would address that in a Performance Review meeting. Would be interesting. I would say, I delivered what I promised last season, where we also had a similar start to this one. As I and the team proved last season, its the results, points tally and league position in May that counts. Not September. Also you offered me a 4 year contract recently. Maybe lets have this employee review meeting in say 18 months time, eh! Yes maybe Mr Barton But under your jurisdiction we had to fund the club by an xtra £x million pounds, you have, to this point at least, failed to progress from last season's momentum and at our last home game orchestrated the worse home defeat in living memory. Our cash flow forecast suggests we have to fund you by a similar amount during the course of this season. In addition can you explain to us why, over the recent past, your actions in your private life have the potential to bring the club into disrepute.
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 22, 2022 21:36:50 GMT
I would say, I delivered what I promised last season, where we also had a similar start to this one. As I and the team proved last season, its the results, points tally and league position in May that counts. Not September. Also you offered me a 4 year contract recently. Maybe lets have this employee review meeting in say 18 months time, eh! Yes maybe Mr Barton But under your jurisdiction we had to fund the club by an xtra £x million pounds, you have, to this point at least, failed to progress from last season's momentum and at our last home game orchestrated the worse home defeat in living memory. Our cash flow forecast suggests we have to fund you by a similar amount during the course of this season. In addition can you explain to us why, over the recent past, your actions in your private life have the potential to bring the club into disrepute. I would suggest that you've left it rather a long time to do this Performance Review if you're only just addressing "actions in his private life"
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 22, 2022 22:13:28 GMT
I would say, I delivered what I promised last season, where we also had a similar start to this one. As I and the team proved last season, its the results, points tally and league position in May that counts. Not September. Also you offered me a 4 year contract recently. Maybe lets have this employee review meeting in say 18 months time, eh! Yes maybe Mr Barton But under your jurisdiction we had to fund the club by an xtra £x million pounds, you have, to this point at least, failed to progress from last season's momentum and at our last home game orchestrated the worse home defeat in living memory. Our cash flow forecast suggests we have to fund you by a similar amount during the course of this season. In addition can you explain to us why, over the recent past, your actions in your private life have the potential to bring the club into disrepute. Why did you give me a new 4 year contract then? By offering me that length of contract I was under the impression that time would be given to steadily progress the club, not have such knee jerk meltdowns and performance reviews a few months after we achieved promotion in such style? Again you knew about the incidents in regards to my private life a long time ago, so I'm a bit perplexed as to why you think it's such an issue now? You knew who I was, you knew my past and you have known about everything currently going on with myself away from Football. You hired me, you allowed me to get rid of the previous staff, you've allowed me to bring in my own experienced staff, you've allowed me to be more hands on with the whole day to day running of Football club and I was under the impression we were all pulling in the same direction. I promised you and the fans promotion, and I achieved it. Hopefully I've earnt your trust to take this club forward. See you Saturday.
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