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Post by warehamgas on Sept 18, 2022 18:02:11 GMT
Out of interest, what's his overall record for the total time of his tenure? Joe Barton's total record for BRFC is 110 points out of 83 games = 1.325 points per game. Thanks bluetornados, you can be relied upon for accurate stats. š To put some commentary around that stat shows probably shows a huge gap between the league 2 and league 1. Iām afraid it would show that overall League 2 has a number of very poor teams. Others may disagree. JBs job now is to improve our record in Division 3, our natural habitat. I think he can do it but he needs to start this Saturday with 3 points v Accrington. UTG!
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Post by baselswh on Sept 18, 2022 19:33:48 GMT
More nonsense from an anti Bartoner. Bas, itās not nonsense is it?Ā It is fact and knowing epping, it will be accurate. He doesnāt need me talking his corner but nonsense to me would be inaccurate made up stuff or matters of subjectivity and opinion. What epping has posted is factual, statistical and objective. You may not like it and may attack the stats as inaccurate but itās not nonsense. I donāt like it from a BRFC perspective and I trust that JB, being an able manager (I think) will stop talking, stop ābeing the the storyā, stop making crap formations with players out of position, stop p****** off fellow managers and get down to some serious prep for the Accrington match. Itās become a very important match after Saturday. UTG! The statistic itself is I am sure accurate Wareham,I'm sure Epping would'nt make a stat up. Thing is it is completely inappropriate to what's going on right now. It's posted in a thread that has a very irreverent title and it is clearly anti Barton and also,imo,anti Rovers because of its mischief making nature. The statistic has nothing to do with our current position. JB took a risk,tossed the dice.It did'nt work out but I imagine he's a wiser football man now than he was. We lost 3 points,we did'nt get relegated. I have said a number of times we will visibly perk up sometime in October.Joe will have a good idea of his first 11 and hopefully most of his squad (not all I'm sure,but enough) will be available and once they are bedded in,we'll be more like it. In the meantime maybe a player or two can really impress and we'll pick up a few points. I think JB is doing a great job.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 18, 2022 20:35:32 GMT
Bas, I hope youāre right and we do āperk upā in October. As to JB taking a risk which didnāt work out and that heās wiser for it, Iām not so sure. Iām prepared to give him a break or two, the promotion he gained has earned him that right but Iām a BRFC fan who wants the best for my club. His record with us in League 2 is good obviously but weāre in League 1 now and those stats look shocking.its a much harder=league and atm we look a bit off the pace. I think that getting players back from injury will make a big difference but drill down a bit and you can see he had players available yesterday to play a back 4 with defenders in their best positions yet he didnāt do that he played players out of position and left out our one recognised experienced CH, having appealed his previous sending off. Just some bizarre decisions atm. Heās our manager and I will support the team whatever but as to him ādoing a great jobā at the moment. That looks more about blind faith than whatās actually happening.
Fingers crossed as ever!
UTG!
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Post by alftupper on Sept 19, 2022 4:02:41 GMT
Joe Barton's total record for BRFC is 110 points out of 83 games = 1.325 points per game. JBs job now is to improve our record in Division 3, our natural habitat. You`re living in the past, WG. Our natural habitat over the last two decades, is Division 4.
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2022 4:48:58 GMT
Bas, I hope youāre right and we do āperk upā in October. As to JB taking a risk which didnāt work out and that heās wiser for it, Iām not so sure. Iām prepared to give him a break or two, the promotion he gained has earned him that right but Iām a BRFC fan who wants the best for my club. His record with us in League 2 is good obviously but weāre in League 1 now and those stats look shocking.its a much harder=league and atm we look a bit off the pace. I think that getting players back from injury will make a big difference but drill down a bit and you can see he had players available yesterday to play a back 4 with defenders in their best positions yet he didnāt do that he played players out of position and left out our one recognised experienced CH, having appealed his previous sending off. Just some bizarre decisions atm. Heās our manager and I will support the team whatever but as to him ādoing a great jobā at the moment. That looks more about blind faith than whatās actually happening. Fingers crossed as ever! UTG! Indeed. My gut feeling is that by the end of December, if this is not sorted, then faith in the manager will dissipate rapidly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2022 7:51:34 GMT
JBs job now is to improve our record in Division 3, our natural habitat.Ā You`re living in the past, WG.Ā Ā Our natural habitat over the last two decades, is Division 4. In the last 20 seasons; Third Tier - 9 Fourth Tier - 10 Fifth Tier - 1 If Rovers stay up this season then third tier football goes one clear. Going back from 22/23 as a starting point, the last 20 years is the only round period where Rovers have spent more time in the fourth tier than the third.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 19, 2022 8:13:53 GMT
You`re living in the past, WG.Ā Ā Our natural habitat over the last two decades, is Division 4. In the last 20 seasons; Third Tier - 9 Fourth Tier - 10 Fifth Tier - 1 If Rovers stay up this season then third tier football goes one clear. Going back from 22/23 as a starting point, the last 20 years is the only round period where Rovers have spent more time in the fourth tier than the third. Good post. Any millennial will see us as punching above weight in their lifetime. Any eastvilleial will see opposite. I would wager historically (post ww2), we are somewhere near off a few places off where we average usually mean to be...
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2022 8:35:57 GMT
In the last 20 seasons; Third Tier - 9 Fourth Tier - 10 Fifth Tier - 1 If Rovers stay up this season then third tier football goes one clear. Going back from 22/23 as a starting point, the last 20 years is the only round period where Rovers have spent more time in the fourth tier than the third. Good post. Any millennial will see us as punching above weight in their lifetime. Any eastvilleial will see opposite. I would wager historically (post ww2), we are somewhere near off a few places off where we average usually mean to be... An interesting way of putting it. Had not thought of it in that way, but it rings true.
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 19, 2022 8:38:07 GMT
Therefore the overall record for Barton with Bristol Rovers in League One: Played 27 Won 5 Drawn 8 Lost 21. Points 23. Points per game 0.852 Out of interest, what's his overall record for the total time of his tenure? Morning Bath - I see that bluetornadoes has given the overall figures... statistics and damned statistics. I deliberately didn't post a comment on the League 1 stats. They speak for themselves. I thought this was the most appropriate thread to post an update. Some might not like it. Bloody facts.
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 19, 2022 8:42:43 GMT
In the last 20 seasons; Third Tier - 9 Fourth Tier - 10 Fifth Tier - 1 If Rovers stay up this season then third tier football goes one clear. Going back from 22/23 as a starting point, the last 20 years is the only round period where Rovers have spent more time in the fourth tier than the third. Good post. Any millennial will see us as punching above weight in their lifetime. Any eastvilleial will see opposite. I would wager historically (post ww2), we are somewhere near off a few places off where we average usually mean to be... Would have to dig it out, but pretty sure the 100 year league 'history table' has Rovers between 10-12th in tier 3. They are also about that in the 'average league attendance' record. I did some correlation research between the two sets of data in an old thread. I'll get me coat. Or anorak.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2022 9:28:36 GMT
In the last 20 seasons; Third Tier - 9 Fourth Tier - 10 Fifth Tier - 1 If Rovers stay up this season then third tier football goes one clear. Going back from 22/23 as a starting point, the last 20 years is the only round period where Rovers have spent more time in the fourth tier than the third. Good post. Any millennial will see us as punching above weight in their lifetime. Any eastvilleial will see opposite. I would wager historically (post ww2), we are somewhere near off a few places off where we average usually mean to be... Post-WW2 is a bit of a pointless starting point, the stats will be skewed by regionalisation. If you want to find Rovers true League position itās from 1958ā59.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 19, 2022 10:48:40 GMT
JBs job now is to improve our record in Division 3, our natural habitat. You`re living in the past, WG. Our natural habitat over the last two decades, is Division 4. Probably! So weāre over-achieving at 21st in League 1? Is that it? š¤ I feel so much better now. UTG!
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Post by DCR on Sept 19, 2022 12:27:16 GMT
Good post. Any millennial will see us as punching above weight in their lifetime. Any eastvilleial will see opposite. I would wager historically (post ww2), we are somewhere near off a few places off where we average usually mean to be... Post-WW2 is a bit of a pointless starting point, the stats will be skewed by regionalisation. If you want to find Rovers true League position itās from 1958ā59.That is the highest position we have ever been.
If you applied that to every team - We would barely stay in the 4th division.
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Post by darloGAS on Sept 19, 2022 13:06:02 GMT
We did extremely well until the 'nearly' season, 55/56.
Getting promotion from Div 3 South in 52/53 we finished in the top 10 every season until . . .
. . . !960/61 that's when the wheels began to come off and the following season we were relegated to Div 3.
I thought Rovers then became an 'ordinary' football club with little ambition and not much future.
As a kiddie, I only went to home games during those 1950s halcyon days, though in 1963 ( at the ripe old age of 17) I went to Halifax (my first away game, RATS) to see us survive the ignominy of relegation to Div 4. (thanks to Ian Hamilton)
I could be wrong on all of the above. ( I was only eight at the start).
Nevertheless #UpTheROVERS
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2022 15:04:26 GMT
Post-WW2 is a bit of a pointless starting point, the stats will be skewed by regionalisation. If you want to find Rovers true League position itās from 1958ā59. That is the highest position we have ever been.
If you applied that to every teamĀ -Ā We would barely stay in the 4th division.
and was a completely different league structure. Is 9th in Division Three South the same as 18th in Division 3? Itās impossible to say. I think going back to 1959 is a pretty reasonable way of getting our ānatural placeā. It was a 92 team linear league structure where you can actually work out an average position.
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Post by bondigas on Sept 19, 2022 21:09:35 GMT
It must be very hard to try and run a business that is losing Ā£11,000 a day when you employ someone to run that business sensibly but is totally out of control and your terrified of challenging his outspoken deluded public utterances. Hopefully a District Judge on November 1st might well be of assistance in reintroducing control to those who have to meet this colossal weekly financial burden.
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2022 21:19:03 GMT
It must be very hard to try and run a business that is losing Ā£11,000 a day when you employ someone to run that business sensibly but is totally out of control and your terrified of challenging his outspoken deluded public utterances. Hopefully a District Judge on November 1st might well be of assistance in reintroducing control to those who have to meet this colossal weekly financial burden. Blimey š
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 20, 2022 10:12:32 GMT
That is the highest position we have ever been.
If you applied that to every team - We would barely stay in the 4th division.
and was a completely different league structure. Is 9th in Division Three South the same as 18th in Division 3? Itās impossible to say. I think going back to 1959 is a pretty reasonable way of getting our ānatural placeā. It was a 92 team linear league structure where you can actually work out an average position. Too much time on my hands... However I've got an excel spreadsheet and I'm not afraid to use it. With the '1st' season being 1958-1959 (if my maths is correct): Rovers average position is 56.6 ie between 12th and 13th in League 1 A high of 28th in 1958-59 A low of 94th in 2014-2015 Over the last painful 20 years, Rovers average position has fallen to 71.8 ie between 3rd and 4th in League 2. (Whilst trawling through the data the sh*ts average position is 41.6 ie between 21st and 22nd in the championship Over the last 20 years sh*ts average position has improved slightly to 39.3 ie between 19th and 20th in the championship). It is. What it is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2022 11:26:36 GMT
Ah, the joy of manipulation of statistics to underline a petty prejudice.
It is what it is, indeed.
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 20, 2022 11:43:01 GMT
Ah, the joy of manipulation of statistics to underline a petty prejudice. It is what it is, indeed. "manipulation of statistics" chewbacca asked what the historic average league position would look like since the advent of the 4 national league system. I then trawled through some data. I then shared the results. Could I enquire where the "petty prejudice" is illustrated? Bloody facts.
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