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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 3, 2022 19:34:55 GMT
It might be worthwhile studying the wording of the statement. “Owner Wael Al-Qadi said: "I am extremely pleased Joe has decided to continue to lead the club forward. I am really excited to see him building this squad of talented and committed players. I wish him all the very best and this new deal hopefully shows him just how important he is to my vision for Bristol Rovers football club." Does the phrase “this new deal hopefully shows him just how important he is “ suggest Wael approached him and said “ Right Joe, here’s the deal, you are a vital asset for BRFC so I want to make absolutely sure you are with us for the next four years” ? Or does it suggest that it was actually JB who forced the issue ? To me, it suggests that Wael was very aware that other clubs had shown an interest in JB during the summer, and he wanted to reinforce with JB that he is seen as an integral part of our future, and progression for the next few years. It all hinges on the precise significance of 'hopefully', doesn't it? Remove it, and this is just another standard press release. Is Wael making sure that he is not presuming to speak on JB's behalf?; or is he hinting at some underlying tension?; or has he absentmindedly allowed the word to slip in through the back door?
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 3, 2022 19:57:22 GMT
It might be worthwhile studying the wording of the statement. “Owner Wael Al-Qadi said: "I am extremely pleased Joe has decided to continue to lead the club forward. I am really excited to see him building this squad of talented and committed players. I wish him all the very best and this new deal hopefully shows him just how important he is to my vision for Bristol Rovers football club." Does the phrase “this new deal hopefully shows him just how important he is “ suggest Wael approached him and said “ Right Joe, here’s the deal, you are a vital asset for BRFC so I want to make absolutely sure you are with us for the next four years” ? Or does it suggest that it was actually JB who forced the issue ? To me, it suggests that Wael was very aware that other clubs had shown an interest in JB during the summer, and he wanted to reinforce with JB that he is seen as an integral part of our future, and progression for the next few years. Tbh BG not sure who showed an interest in JB this summer. Despite some of the fans on the forum saying Burnley were interested there was nothing from anywhere else saying that was anything in that. Not even their forums. Pretty sure no club with PL ambitions would even think of appointing anyone with a domestic violence charge hanging over them. And I haven’t seen any evidence elsewhere of JB being linked with anyone. He is very fortunate to have an owner here who does believe in him and who is supporting him in the circumstances, and I suspect JB knows that as well. In time his circumstances may change and he may start with a clean slate again and Wael’s decision may prove to be a good decision. But let’s not get carried away and pretend certain aspects are not as they are. As ever I am looking forward to his enthusiasm and footballing nous helping BRFC continue to make progress on the field. UTG!
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Post by swissgas on Jul 3, 2022 20:10:22 GMT
It might be worthwhile studying the wording of the statement. “Owner Wael Al-Qadi said: "I am extremely pleased Joe has decided to continue to lead the club forward. I am really excited to see him building this squad of talented and committed players. I wish him all the very best and this new deal hopefully shows him just how important he is to my vision for Bristol Rovers football club." Does the phrase “this new deal hopefully shows him just how important he is “ suggest Wael approached him and said “ Right Joe, here’s the deal, you are a vital asset for BRFC so I want to make absolutely sure you are with us for the next four years” ? Or does it suggest that it was actually JB who forced the issue ? Is JB really in a position to force the issue? Even after the relative 'success' of last season, he is still only here because Wael did a Tammy Wynette and 'stood by his man'. JB has made his gratitude to Wael clear in return on numerous occasions. When the incident first hit the news, the arguments in favour of suspending Barton were far, far stronger than keeping him in position. Polls (including on this website) showed the vast majority of fans favoured suspension and this would have also been consistent with standard practice across the football world - allowing JB to continue coaching with two criminal charges looming over him was unprecedented, to the best of my knowledge. JB owes Wael big time, and is hardly in a position to be making demands. We could also consider “ Joe has decided to continue to lead the club forward” Has Wael decided he wants Joe to stay long term and has therefore come up with a new contract offer or has Joe demanded a new contract before deciding to continue to lead the club forward ? I think JB is in a very strong position to make demands because, as the statement says, he has effectively taken leadership of the club, not the team, the club. The coaching and back room staff are all his appointees, Eddy Jennings deals with transfers, Colonel Gibson is in the boardroom and Wael and Tom are provided with regular compliments to keep them sweet. In a normal company a CFO or Head of Finance would be in place to exert a degree of financial control and it’s probably not a coincidence that we don’t have one now. These are observations and I don’t blame JB if he has exerted his power to secure a new contract. Whether it is good for Rovers is another matter and without knowing the details it’s hard to make a judgement. But Wael has put all his eggs in the JB basket and hasn’t got a lot of room to maneuver so if it doesn’t work out a new start will be more complicated and expensive than it would be with a conventional structure. I just hope that Friday’s subdued interview, Tony Warner’s departure and the hitches with transfer dealings won’t provoke JB into the kind of reaction we saw when things weren’t going his way last October. Even though he is exercising virtual control of the club he has to recognize that there are financial limitations and he won’t always get everything he wants.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 21:04:05 GMT
In reply to whatever above...surely by disagreeing with someone's comments, that sparks debate?
It doesn't mean by default that the person disagreeing is being "anti".
Anyway, carry on the cyclical s**te. Regardless of whether you wanted Barton, didn't want Barton, are undecided etc, he's here.
Personally I wasn't at all convinced until around Christmas last year, then could see what was happening and could happen.
His past is not relevant now, as he's been rehabilitated from previous offences and currently has no extant conviction. Yet again for the terminally dull, if he's found guilty, then he must go. If not, let's get on with it
Utfg and salud 🇪🇸🏴☠️🍺
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Post by bloogas on Jul 4, 2022 11:52:44 GMT
Byron Anthony has been appointed Academy Manager. There must be something deeply significant that we can read into this.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 4, 2022 12:40:39 GMT
Byron Anthony has been appointed Academy Manager. There must be something deeply significant that we can read into this. It reeks of 'moving the furniture around'. What are they trying to hide? Joe says Rovers "perfect" for him. Does perfection exist? All very strange. Queue Frank Columbo....
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Post by Bath Gas on Jul 4, 2022 13:08:28 GMT
Byron Anthony has been appointed Academy Manager. There must be something deeply significant that we can read into this. Joey believes in the Lord!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2022 7:06:05 GMT
My last matchday ticket is a bookmark. (page 306 of Great Expectations) The Emirates FA Cup R3 Vs. Coventry City Jan 5, 2020 Kickoff: 2.01pm (sure there was a reason) Poplar Insulation Box 4 Row: A Seat: 7 Price: GBP15.00 (massive bargan for a SEAT) ADULT
That was shortly after Garner replaced Coughlan, confirming that just as advised above I never 'went' to see Tisdale's Rovers, every exposure to which must have been online streamed. Old bird, old brains. It's two weeks today until I start another season without going to Rovers. I can't wait.
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Post by toteend3 on Jul 16, 2022 8:25:51 GMT
Sorry me old duck, but ‘flogging and horse’ spring to mind………..
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Post by bloogas on Jul 16, 2022 9:56:23 GMT
Sorry me old duck, but ‘flogging and horse’ spring to mind……….. Possibly "signalling" and "virtue" also.
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Post by toteend3 on Jul 16, 2022 10:55:08 GMT
Sorry me old duck, but ‘flogging and horse’ spring to mind……….. Possibly "signalling" and "virtue" also. Absolutely, takes a ‘lot of balls’ to stick to your principles - he sure is one tough bird!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 16, 2022 10:57:44 GMT
Sorry me old duck, but ‘flogging and horse’ spring to mind……….. Possibly "signalling" and "virtue" also. Just because he does not follow the mob doesn’t mean virtue signalling, maybe it’s showing integrity, unlike me who went to five games. There are a fair few who are still not going. Many are missed by others
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2022 13:06:56 GMT
Sorry me old duck, but ‘flogging and horse’ spring to mind……….. Possibly "signalling" and "virtue" also. I don't know what this means. I see Joey Barton is a nasty piece of work. Is that what you meant?
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 18, 2022 8:21:20 GMT
League One table February 22nd 2021: Bristol Rovers 19th, 2 places above the relegation zone. Played 28 Won 7 Drawn 6 Lost 15 Points 27. Points per game pre-Barton 0.964 Barton Appointed. Final League One table 2020-2021: Bristol Rovers 24th (bottom, relegated). Played 46 Won 10 Drawn 8 Lost 28 Points 38. Under Barton League One 2020-2021: Played 18 Won 3 Drawn 2 Lost 13. Points 11. Points per game under Barton 0.611
League One table September 18th 2022: Bristol Rovers 21st (final relegation spot): Played 9 Won 2 Drawn 2 Lost 5. Points 8. Points per game 0.889
Therefore the overall record for Barton with Bristol Rovers in League One: Played 27 Won 5 Drawn 8 Lost 21. Points 23. Points per game 0.852
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 18, 2022 11:51:13 GMT
League One table February 22nd 2021: Bristol Rovers 19th, 2 places above the relegation zone. Played 28 Won 7 Drawn 6 Lost 15 Points 27. Points per game pre-Barton 0.964 Barton Appointed. Final League One table 2020-2021: Bristol Rovers 24th (bottom, relegated). Played 46 Won 10 Drawn 8 Lost 28 Points 38. Under Barton League One 2020-2021: Played 18 Won 3 Drawn 2 Lost 13. Points 11. Points per game under Barton 0.611 League One table September 18th 2022: Bristol Rovers 21st (final relegation spot): Played 9 Won 2 Drawn 2 Lost 5. Points 8. Points per game 0.889 Therefore the overall record for Barton with Bristol Rovers in League One: Played 27 Won 5 Drawn 8 Lost 21. Points 23. Points per game 0.852 Out of interest, what's his overall record for the total time of his tenure?
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Post by baselswh on Sept 18, 2022 12:59:01 GMT
League One table February 22nd 2021: Bristol Rovers 19th, 2 places above the relegation zone. Played 28 Won 7 Drawn 6 Lost 15 Points 27. Points per game pre-Barton 0.964 Barton Appointed. Final League One table 2020-2021: Bristol Rovers 24th (bottom, relegated). Played 46 Won 10 Drawn 8 Lost 28 Points 38. Under Barton League One 2020-2021: Played 18 Won 3 Drawn 2 Lost 13. Points 11. Points per game under Barton 0.611 League One table September 18th 2022: Bristol Rovers 21st (final relegation spot): Played 9 Won 2 Drawn 2 Lost 5. Points 8. Points per game 0.889 Therefore the overall record for Barton with Bristol Rovers in League One: Played 27 Won 5 Drawn 8 Lost 21. Points 23. Points per game 0.852 More nonsense from an anti Bartoner.
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2022 13:04:39 GMT
League One table February 22nd 2021: Bristol Rovers 19th, 2 places above the relegation zone. Played 28 Won 7 Drawn 6 Lost 15 Points 27. Points per game pre-Barton 0.964 Barton Appointed. Final League One table 2020-2021: Bristol Rovers 24th (bottom, relegated). Played 46 Won 10 Drawn 8 Lost 28 Points 38. Under Barton League One 2020-2021: Played 18 Won 3 Drawn 2 Lost 13. Points 11. Points per game under Barton 0.611 League One table September 18th 2022: Bristol Rovers 21st (final relegation spot): Played 9 Won 2 Drawn 2 Lost 5. Points 8. Points per game 0.889 Therefore the overall record for Barton with Bristol Rovers in League One: Played 27 Won 5 Drawn 8 Lost 21. Points 23. Points per game 0.852 More piss from an anti Bartoner. Really...
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 18, 2022 16:27:46 GMT
League One table February 22nd 2021: Bristol Rovers 19th, 2 places above the relegation zone. Played 28 Won 7 Drawn 6 Lost 15 Points 27. Points per game pre-Barton 0.964 Barton Appointed. Final League One table 2020-2021: Bristol Rovers 24th (bottom, relegated). Played 46 Won 10 Drawn 8 Lost 28 Points 38. Under Barton League One 2020-2021: Played 18 Won 3 Drawn 2 Lost 13. Points 11. Points per game under Barton 0.611 League One table September 18th 2022: Bristol Rovers 21st (final relegation spot): Played 9 Won 2 Drawn 2 Lost 5. Points 8. Points per game 0.889 Therefore the overall record for Barton with Bristol Rovers in League One: Played 27 Won 5 Drawn 8 Lost 21. Points 23. Points per game 0.852 Out of interest, what's his overall record for the total time of his tenure?Joe Barton's total record for BRFC is 110 points out of 83 games = 1.325 points per game.
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 18, 2022 16:33:00 GMT
Out of interest, what's his overall record for the total time of his tenure? Joe Barton's total record for BRFC is 110 points out of 83 games = 1.325 points per game. Thank you - I'm hopeless at working out the stats stuff, although I do find it interesting to read.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 18, 2022 17:53:05 GMT
League One table February 22nd 2021: Bristol Rovers 19th, 2 places above the relegation zone. Played 28 Won 7 Drawn 6 Lost 15 Points 27. Points per game pre-Barton 0.964 Barton Appointed. Final League One table 2020-2021: Bristol Rovers 24th (bottom, relegated). Played 46 Won 10 Drawn 8 Lost 28 Points 38. Under Barton League One 2020-2021: Played 18 Won 3 Drawn 2 Lost 13. Points 11. Points per game under Barton 0.611 League One table September 18th 2022: Bristol Rovers 21st (final relegation spot): Played 9 Won 2 Drawn 2 Lost 5. Points 8. Points per game 0.889 Therefore the overall record for Barton with Bristol Rovers in League One: Played 27 Won 5 Drawn 8 Lost 21. Points 23. Points per game 0.852 More nonsense from an anti Bartoner. Bas, it’s not nonsense is it? It is fact and knowing epping, it will be accurate. He doesn’t need me talking his corner but nonsense to me would be inaccurate made up stuff or matters of subjectivity and opinion. What epping has posted is factual, statistical and objective. You may not like it and may attack the stats as inaccurate but it’s not nonsense. I don’t like it from a BRFC perspective and I trust that JB, being an able manager (I think) will stop talking, stop ‘being the the story’, stop making crap formations with players out of position, stop p****** off fellow managers and get down to some serious prep for the Accrington match. It’s become a very important match after Saturday. UTG!
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