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Post by gasandproud on Feb 10, 2021 16:28:29 GMT
If you want to clear up a few points that concern your lack of progress and frustration check out who's behind Dwane Sports Jersey and other offshore companies. I think you will find your talking to the wrong person/people. I presume you mean Wael or have you discovered something monumental? I met with the owner (or at least who I think is the owner!) several times, two board members once and we had many tele and video calls too. Not sure I could have done much more unless as you say there is a structure I'm not aware of?? If so please reveal as that may explain things!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 17:04:02 GMT
I presume you mean Wael or have you discovered something monumental? I met with the owner (or at least who I think is the owner!) several times, two board members once and we had many tele and video calls too. Not sure I could have done much more unless as you say there is a structure I'm not aware of?? If so please reveal as that may explain things! I'm aware of that Dave but I assume you are talking to Bondi.
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Post by gasandproud on Feb 10, 2021 17:06:49 GMT
I met with the owner (or at least who I think is the owner!) several times, two board members once and we had many tele and video calls too. Not sure I could have done much more unless as you say there is a structure I'm not aware of?? If so please reveal as that may explain things! I'm aware of that Dave but I assume you are talking to Bondi. Sorry, I am new to how the forum works so I'm making a few mistakes! Yes I was responding to that little nugget of info / hint which would actually make sense!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 17:15:39 GMT
I'm aware of that Dave but I assume you are talking to Bondi. Sorry, I am new to how the forum works so I'm making a few mistakes! Yes I was responding to that little nugget of info / hint which would actually make sense! Unless he meant that Wael was the owner and assumed, wrongly, that you hadn't met with him.
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Post by gasandproud on Feb 10, 2021 17:19:04 GMT
Sorry, I am new to how the forum works so I'm making a few mistakes! Yes I was responding to that little nugget of info / hint which would actually make sense! Unless he meant that Wael was the owner and assumed, wrongly, that you hadn't met with him. Maybe! Who knows. Well at least some good has come from my outburst! I'm now learning how to use a forum.
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 10, 2021 17:24:52 GMT
Unless he meant that Wael was the owner and assumed, wrongly, that you hadn't met with him. Maybe! Who knows. Well at least some good has come from my outburst! I'm now learning how to use a forum. you've got to stick around Dave g&p - for our sakes, if not yours
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Post by gasandproud on Feb 10, 2021 18:34:04 GMT
Maybe! Who knows. Well at least some good has come from my outburst! I'm now learning how to use a forum. you've got to stick around Dave g&p - for our sakes, if not yours I will. 👍
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Post by swissgas on Feb 10, 2021 18:47:53 GMT
If you want to clear up a few points that concern your lack of progress and frustration check out who's behind Dwane Sports Jersey and other offshore companies. I think you will find your talking to the wrong person/people. We have been told that Dwane Sports Ltd is owned 90% by Wael and 10% by Samer but because the Jersey Registry shows the shares are held by two nominee companies we cannot verify this. What we can verify through information in the public domain is that Wael's pre-tax dividend income from AJIB is less than £ 1 million per year. So there must be a legitimate question about how he is managing to fund Rovers losses of £ 4 million per year. On January 8th Wael was interviewed by Sam Frost and said the charge over the Mem is necessary because Rovers are funded through a facility provided by Dwane Sports. Everyone will understand that this is simply not true because unsecured lending is commonplace and in any event Dwane Sports were loaning Rovers money unsecured from February 2016 till the charge was registered in May 2017. I don't know why he chose to say this because, although it is very unusual to hold a charge to secure money you are effectively loaning to yourself, everyone knows about it. And even if some realized it was highly beneficial to Dwane Sports in the event of an insolvency I don't think many of them would mind. But the fact that he did go out of his way to defend the charge and accuse those who queried it of having an agenda plus the fact that IMO he gave a spurious reason for it's existence does raise further questions. Wael strikes me as the sort of person who would love to have said to Gasheads "the debts are paid off and the charge is gone" but he didn't do that. Is it because he genuinely but mistakenly believes a charge is necessary to provide a credit facility ? Or is it because there is still someone standing behind Wael and providing the cash to keep Rovers going and it is that person who understands the importance of a charge to a lender and insists that the charge over the Mem remains in place ? Maybe we should just keep quiet, pray that funding continues and hope for the best ? But in the grave situation we are facing I believe most Gasheads would appreciate transparency.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 19:16:47 GMT
Whenever I start to trust in Al Qadi subsidy, along comes swissgas to scare the bejesus out of me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 19:30:22 GMT
Whenever I start to trust in Al Qadi subsidy, along comes swissgas to scare the bejesus out of me. It was Bondigas who posed the question of who was actually behind Dwane Sports and it would be good to receive some clarity on what he/she meant? Does he/she mean Wael or is there a mystery backer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 19:35:50 GMT
It was Bondigas who posed the question of who was actually behind Dwane Sports and it would be good to receive some clarity on what he/she meant? Does he/she mean Wael or is there a mystery backer. I assumed the former. The latter would be a story. Just the sort that ruffles my feathers.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Feb 10, 2021 19:41:07 GMT
said I wouldn’t post again so apologies for doing what I said I wouldn’t and I hope that doesn’t make anyone feel I am not trust worthy. The last thing I want is people arguing / falling out because of what I have said and therefore a further post is probably appropriate. I posted on gas chat as someone mentioned to me that the post had been lifted across and I thought it correct to address that given I had put my name to it. I have not answered specific questions about the project as I simply cannot. What I will say is that if and when the info comes into the public domain I will put my name to it at that stage too. I didn’t intend for my initial post to be quite as explosive and my motivation was genuinely to explain that there was truth in the fact that there were other options for the club to consider (other than the fruit market) which quite a few people have said but have been dismissed. I was then called out as someone who was hiding so I thought it appropriate to put my name to it. I (as a gas head) would feel the same if someone wasn’t prepared to back up to some degree what they were claiming with at least a name. If I could go into specifics about the project I would as quite frankly there would then be zero debate to be had. I understand totally why people are sceptical as I can’t answer specifics but I have absolutely nothing to gain by putting my name to something that is a fantasy! When it went a little bit mad on here (and in hindsight I should have realised that would happen) I thought it was worth one last shot at turning a potentially negative situation into a positive. I can see I have been criticised for trying to instigate a deal on a forum. That wasn’t and isn’t the case. I saw according to the Bristol Post Q an and A that no meetings have taken place! Well I must have been in one massive dream over the last 18 months if that’s the case, I am not trying to do any kind of deal on a forum but as a long standing supporter I don’t feel that it’s wrong to have mentioned my experience with the club.... Others (myself included) criticise all kinds of aspects of the club and discuss their experiences on forums, on those occasions they also call for change or a reaction to their issue from the club. I only changed tact and asked rovers to react to turn a negative into a positive. In hindsight and based on the comments in the post that was probably naive and I suspect it’s very much game over. I am not a wealthy man in monetary terms relative to a stadium project and would not dream of trying to convince anyone that I would have the money required to fund anything like a stadium! If I was I would be stupid enough to throw it all into the club anyway! I am however (with my gas head friend) a chap who has spent a long time putting deals together by bringing people with the ability to make deals happen to the right table at the appropriate time and suggesting the framework for negotiations. As an example we are the two guys who have brought the potential esports stakeholders together as reported below. This is nothing to do with the project / scheme being discussed here but is simply an example to demonstrate I am not a fantasist! www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/1500-seater-esports-venue-proposed-4772055As two gas heads, passionate about the club getting a new stadium we have simply tried hard to bring the club to the table at the appropriate time. Our attempts were motivated by a desire to make a contribution to the progress of the club that most supporters seem desperate for. The comments in the post seemingly make the position clear now and hopefully we can all move on. Nobody (and I mean nobody) would be happier than me if the club announced a stadium plan elsewhere / fruit market / redevelopment of the Mem etc. I understand from the comments in the post that the club are looking at other options. That’s their prerogative and I completely respect that and of course wish them well. I will be an extremely happy chap when one day the stadium project is realised. Really interesting post - and thanks for spending time to write that up. Could I ask if it was you and your partner who were 'invited to join the Board' about 6 months ago? That episode has been bugging me for ages. I don't think Cheshire was being intentionally rude - I just we've all been stung with false hope over the years. UTG. Thanks Dave and thanks Epping, indeed I was in no way intending to be rude and apologise if indeed it was interpreted as that. Clarification is always helpful and appreciated and goes a long way to provoking civilised debate. Regards
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Post by swissgas on Feb 10, 2021 19:42:31 GMT
Whenever I start to trust in Al Qadi subsidy, along comes swissgas to scare the bejesus out of me. Log off quickly my next post is about orange sauce
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Post by gasandproud on Feb 10, 2021 19:47:17 GMT
Really interesting post - and thanks for spending time to write that up. Could I ask if it was you and your partner who were 'invited to join the Board' about 6 months ago? That episode has been bugging me for ages. I don't think Cheshire was being intentionally rude - I just we've all been stung with false hope over the years. UTG. Thanks Dave and thanks Epping, indeed I was in no way intending to be rude and apologise if indeed it was interpreted as that. Clarification is always helpful and appreciated and goes a long way to provoking civilised debate. Regards Cheshire, absolutely no need for an apology. I hope I have clarified as much as is reasonably possible. There is no more that can be done. The positive is that I have re engaged (I have to stop using those words) in healthy debate about the club we all want to see prosper on this forum. UTG
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Post by Smithy Gas on Feb 10, 2021 20:30:11 GMT
Thanks Dave and thanks Epping, indeed I was in no way intending to be rude and apologise if indeed it was interpreted as that. Clarification is always helpful and appreciated and goes a long way to provoking civilised debate. Regards Cheshire, absolutely no need for an apology. I hope I have clarified as much as is reasonably possible. There is no more that can be done. The positive is that I have re engaged (I have to stop using those words) in healthy debate about the club we all want to see prosper on this forum. UTG Not everything. Chesh still doesn’t know if you used a spreadsheet or not in your presentation!
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Post by richmace on Feb 13, 2021 0:40:48 GMT
I've not read the whole of this thread, but to answer the original post:
We have had the most terrible time as supporters. Our history is one of almost constant failure, sprinkled with occasional mediocre success. Despite that, we have a passionate fanbase. The Gas endure, against all odds.
We carry on because we must. What else is there for a football supporter?
We need to get back to The Mem and make our feelings known.
The ONLY positive I can offer this evening is that we have been in a much worse situation, and not that long ago. I DO NOT want to go back there.
I'm not sure this current group of players understand this football club or the depth of feeling. How could they, they have never seen a crowd at The Mem. What a strange world we live in, what a strange time we live through.
We just need to dig in and survive this season. Relegation is not an option and would be devastating!
UTG
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 14, 2021 15:55:28 GMT
I've not read the whole of this thread, but to answer the original post: We have had the most terrible time as supporters. Our history is one of almost constant failure, sprinkled with occasional mediocre success. Despite that, we have a passionate fanbase. The Gas endure, against all odds. We carry on because we must. What else is there for a football supporter? We need to get back to The Mem and make our feelings known. The ONLY positive I can offer this evening is that we have been in a much worse situation, and not that long ago. I DO NOT want to go back there. I'm not sure this current group of players understand this football club or the depth of feeling. How could they, they have never seen a crowd at The Mem. What a strange world we live in, what a strange time we live through. We just need to dig in and survive this season. Relegation is not an option and would be devastating! UTG The gas abides man, the gas abides
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 15, 2021 9:32:21 GMT
I've not read the whole of this thread, but to answer the original post: We have had the most terrible time as supporters. Our history is one of almost constant failure, sprinkled with occasional mediocre success. Despite that, we have a passionate fanbase. The Gas endure, against all odds. We carry on because we must. What else is there for a football supporter? We need to get back to The Mem and make our feelings known. The ONLY positive I can offer this evening is that we have been in a much worse situation, and not that long ago. I DO NOT want to go back there. I'm not sure this current group of players understand this football club or the depth of feeling. How could they, they have never seen a crowd at The Mem. What a strange world we live in, what a strange time we live through. We just need to dig in and survive this season. Relegation is not an option and would be devastating! UTG The gas abides man, the gas abides Nice Lebowski homage, dude..
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Post by gasandproud on Feb 15, 2021 13:01:57 GMT
Just a quick update.....I have today received an anonymous letter in the post setting out what looks to be a very valid reason why perhaps the club wouldn't discuss stadium plans further. In addition to that, if the info is correct (and I have no reason to doubt it given its extremely comprehensive and well constructed) then the ownership structure is certainly not what most would expect it to be. I am assuming that someone sent me the letter based on my comments on here. It would be great to have a chat about this so please could whoever sent the info PM me and we can have a chat? If not I totally respect that and thanks for the heads up anyway but if you are able to have a quick chat I think it would be very useful in clarifying a few basic points. I am nervous of putting this info into the public domain without clarifying a few basic points but would be happy to share it if I can corroborate where it was generated from etc.
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 15, 2021 13:07:34 GMT
the ownership structure is certainly not what most would expect it to be ooh! the intrigue, cloak and dagger! could be a good thing or bad, or neutral
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