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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 13:59:36 GMT
Just a quick update.....I have today received an anonymous letter in the post setting out what looks to be a very valid reason why perhaps the club wouldn't discuss stadium plans further. In addition to that, if the info is correct (and I have no reason to doubt it given its extremely comprehensive and well constructed) then the ownership structure is certainly not what most would expect it to be. I am assuming that someone sent me the letter based on my comments on here. It would be great to have a chat about this so please could whoever sent the info PM me and we can have a chat? If not I totally respect that and thanks for the heads up anyway but if you are able to have a quick chat I think it would be very useful in clarifying a few basic points. I am nervous of putting this info into the public domain without clarifying a few basic points but would be happy to share it if I can corroborate where it was generated from etc. So in order to keep things nebulous, is it fair to say that you were never dealing with the actual owner of the club and that is why it never progressed? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 15:19:55 GMT
It was always odd that Wael Al Qadi was able to fun annual losses Swiss didn't seem sure he had the wealth to afford.
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Post by harrybuckle on Feb 15, 2021 18:13:59 GMT
It was always odd that Wael Al Qadi was able to fun annual losses Swiss didn't seem sure he had the wealth to afford. Shove ...fun ? It's no fun funding loses I assure you |
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Post by gasandproud on Feb 16, 2021 17:00:59 GMT
Having carried out a bit of due diligence on the info I was sent I have concluded that whilst its complicated it could well be a standard set up for a Jersey based company. Its hard to obtain any real info regarding the structure of companies in this jurisdiction and certainly I don't have any expertise in this area. Whilst it was a kind gesture to send this info to me, the fact it was anonymous makes it hard to look at it as anything other than an individuals opinion on the matter. Without any background, name or point of reference attached I don't feel there is anything more to do or say, although it was an interesting read and I learned a little!
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 16, 2021 20:00:54 GMT
Having carried out a bit of due diligence on the info I was sent I have concluded that whilst its complicated it could well be a standard set up for a Jersey based company. Its hard to obtain any real info regarding the structure of companies in this jurisdiction and certainly I don't have any expertise in this area. Whilst it was a kind gesture to send this info to me, the fact it was anonymous makes it hard to look at it as anything other than an individuals opinion on the matter. Without any background, name or point of reference attached I don't feel there is anything more to do or say, although it was an interesting read and I learned a little! that seems like a balanced, sensible, non mischief-making post they are nice when they turn up |
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Post by johnmalyckyj on Feb 16, 2021 23:03:11 GMT
Having carried out a bit of due diligence on the info I was sent I have concluded that whilst its complicated it could well be a standard set up for a Jersey based company. Its hard to obtain any real info regarding the structure of companies in this jurisdiction and certainly I don't have any expertise in this area. Whilst it was a kind gesture to send this info to me, the fact it was anonymous makes it hard to look at it as anything other than an individuals opinion on the matter. Without any background, name or point of reference attached I don't feel there is anything more to do or say, although it was an interesting read and I learned a little! There lies the problem with anonymous messages, be it on message boards or by old-fashioned post, no-one knows where they really stand.... Regards John Malyckyj |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 9:47:09 GMT
Having carried out a bit of due diligence on the info I was sent I have concluded that whilst its complicated it could well be a standard set up for a Jersey based company. Its hard to obtain any real info regarding the structure of companies in this jurisdiction and certainly I don't have any expertise in this area. Whilst it was a kind gesture to send this info to me, the fact it was anonymous makes it hard to look at it as anything other than an individuals opinion on the matter. Without any background, name or point of reference attached I don't feel there is anything more to do or say, although it was an interesting read and I learned a little! It certainly begs the question of why somebody would send what they feel to be of sensitive information anonymously? Sounds like somebody was mischief making and hoping that somebody else would spread the information for them. Well handled. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 2, 2023 22:04:59 GMT
I would say little / no hope now as things have moved on as time frames will not wait for ever and I’ve lost faith. I’m not going to name who ‘blocked’ and the reality is I don’t know as I don’t know what discussions happened at the club and it’s not right for me to go into detail of who I held discussions with and the specific circumstances involved. I’m not going to go public as the scheme will simply go public on its own merits in due course ( if successful ) and there are other parties to consider. I’m certainly not going to jeopardise the overall project for the sake of an un engaged party who have had every opportunity to discuss it further. Why don't you just be honest about who you are? I am guessing that you are one of the disaffected Presidents Club hierarchy or a recently deposed Board member. Either way its pathetic. Just be honest and sign your name otherwise you have zero credibility. I usually sign off with regards, but not for this pathetic attention seeking. John Malyckyj Maybe an apology is apt |
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Post by swissgas on Dec 3, 2023 1:04:26 GMT
Why don't you just be honest about who you are? I am guessing that you are one of the disaffected Presidents Club hierarchy or a recently deposed Board member. Either way its pathetic. Just be honest and sign your name otherwise you have zero credibility. I usually sign off with regards, but not for this pathetic attention seeking. John Malyckyj Maybe an apology is apt Gasandproud has been totally vindicated but there in no need for any apology. Everyone knows that John M only wants what is best for Rovers and one can understand the reasons for his frustrations. Those of us who have been closely involved with the club, and know the financial struggles we have faced, find it very hard to get our heads around the fact that £30 million has been wasted over the past seven years. But we have nobody else to blame other than ourselves because it’s us, Gasheads, who have let Wael blow his inheritance even though we’ve had numerous chances to exert our influence by telling him that what he was doing was not in Rovers best interests. Instead we’ve found it easier to play “ follow my leader” and ended up by very nearly being led over the edge of a cliff. A few years ago I was put in touch with gasandproud and his colleague who were willing, in confidence, to share details of their plans with me. I checked these out together with the background of the people they were working with and the likely partners who would have been willing to come on board if the stadium plan moved forward. In my opinion the plan would have had a good chance of success and was well worth looking at in depth but it was rejected by Rovers. I believe the reason for this was that the leadership soon realized that because of the scale of the plan they would be out of their depth, would lose control and would soon be sidelined. So Rovers lost the opportunity to gain something first class and will now have to put up with basic economy. |
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Post by trymer on Dec 3, 2023 8:43:59 GMT
Gasandproud has been totally vindicated but there in no need for any apology. Everyone knows that John M only wants what is best for Rovers and one can understand the reasons for his frustrations. Those of us who have been closely involved with the club, and know the financial struggles we have faced, find it very hard to get our heads around the fact that £30 million has been wasted over the past seven years. But we have nobody else to blame other than ourselves because it’s us, Gasheads, who have let Wael blow his inheritance even though we’ve had numerous chances to exert our influence by telling him that what he was doing was not in Rovers best interests. Instead we’ve found it easier to play “ follow my leader” and ended up by very nearly being led over the edge of a cliff. A few years ago I was put in touch with gasandproud and his colleague who were willing, in confidence, to share details of their plans with me. I checked these out together with the background of the people they were working with and the likely partners who would have been willing to come on board if the stadium plan moved forward. In my opinion the plan would have had a good chance of success and was well worth looking at in depth but it was rejected by Rovers. I believe the reason for this was that the leadership soon realized that because of the scale of the plan they would be out of their depth, would lose control and would soon be sidelined. So Rovers lost the opportunity to gain something first class and will now have to put up with basic economy. To be fair though Rovers were the first Bristol club to have a London office. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 8:47:35 GMT
Neither pathetic nor attention seeking as far as I see, reflecting on a conversation in which there's a lot worth reading again, thanks KP, from Phil's Tisdale era opener, to Swiss's review today. We're a funny old football club, us.
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Post by bondigas on Dec 3, 2023 8:55:07 GMT
The Al Saeeds will never be able to drive down a clear road until they get rid of the contraflow system.
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 3, 2023 16:47:30 GMT
[/quote]To be fair though Rovers were the first Bristol club to have a London office.[/quote]
To be fair we are the first and only bristol club to have had The famous W G Grace referee our matches and later to become a season ticket holder.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Dec 4, 2023 9:58:51 GMT
The Al Saeeds will never be able to drive down a clear road until they get rid of the contraflow system. From what I have heard from some, they are trying to put their own contraflow system in, but have no idea how to start. |
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Post by swissgas on Dec 4, 2023 12:40:04 GMT
The Al Saeeds will never be able to drive down a clear road until they get rid of the contraflow system. From what I have heard from some, they are trying to put their own contraflow system in, but have no idea how to start. A More Piratey Game. You have your answer. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 4, 2023 13:06:49 GMT
I'm on the road to nowhere great song from David Byrne and Talking heads.
I'm driving home for Christmas Chris Rea the second best Xmas song to Fairytale of New York.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Dec 4, 2023 15:35:01 GMT
Why don't you just be honest about who you are? I am guessing that you are one of the disaffected Presidents Club hierarchy or a recently deposed Board member. Either way its pathetic. Just be honest and sign your name otherwise you have zero credibility. I usually sign off with regards, but not for this pathetic attention seeking. John Malyckyj Maybe an apology is apt Why? |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Dec 4, 2023 15:38:13 GMT
Gasandproud has been totally vindicated but there in no need for any apology. Everyone knows that John M only wants what is best for Rovers and one can understand the reasons for his frustrations. Those of us who have been closely involved with the club, and know the financial struggles we have faced, find it very hard to get our heads around the fact that £30 million has been wasted over the past seven years. But we have nobody else to blame other than ourselves because it’s us, Gasheads, who have let Wael blow his inheritance even though we’ve had numerous chances to exert our influence by telling him that what he was doing was not in Rovers best interests. Instead we’ve found it easier to play “ follow my leader” and ended up by very nearly being led over the edge of a cliff. A few years ago I was put in touch with gasandproud and his colleague who were willing, in confidence, to share details of their plans with me. I checked these out together with the background of the people they were working with and the likely partners who would have been willing to come on board if the stadium plan moved forward. In my opinion the plan would have had a good chance of success and was well worth looking at in depth but it was rejected by Rovers. I believe the reason for this was that the leadership soon realized that because of the scale of the plan they would be out of their depth, would lose control and would soon be sidelined. So Rovers lost the opportunity to gain something first class and will now have to put up with basic economy. I have no reason to doubt either of you. But why would you not blow this wide open publicly? If it was as nailed on as you say, then it would put the ownership in an untenable position really. Either they have to build something themselves or buddy up with gasandproud. WHatever it is, their hand would be forced wouldnt it? |
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Post by droitwichgas on Dec 4, 2023 17:14:04 GMT
Gasandproud has been totally vindicated but there in no need for any apology. Everyone knows that John M only wants what is best for Rovers and one can understand the reasons for his frustrations. Those of us who have been closely involved with the club, and know the financial struggles we have faced, find it very hard to get our heads around the fact that £30 million has been wasted over the past seven years. But we have nobody else to blame other than ourselves because it’s us, Gasheads, who have let Wael blow his inheritance even though we’ve had numerous chances to exert our influence by telling him that what he was doing was not in Rovers best interests. Instead we’ve found it easier to play “ follow my leader” and ended up by very nearly being led over the edge of a cliff. A few years ago I was put in touch with gasandproud and his colleague who were willing, in confidence, to share details of their plans with me. I checked these out together with the background of the people they were working with and the likely partners who would have been willing to come on board if the stadium plan moved forward. In my opinion the plan would have had a good chance of success and was well worth looking at in depth but it was rejected by Rovers. I believe the reason for this was that the leadership soon realized that because of the scale of the plan they would be out of their depth, would lose control and would soon be sidelined. So Rovers lost the opportunity to gain something first class and will now have to put up with basic economy. Who are these fans Wael was ever likely to listen to when he even kicked senior club employees into touch when they disagreed with them? Not sure there's any signs the new co-owners are going to be any better, as they now seem to be treating fans as mushrooms. |
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Post by swissgas on Dec 4, 2023 17:29:54 GMT
Gasandproud has been totally vindicated but there in no need for any apology. Everyone knows that John M only wants what is best for Rovers and one can understand the reasons for his frustrations. Those of us who have been closely involved with the club, and know the financial struggles we have faced, find it very hard to get our heads around the fact that £30 million has been wasted over the past seven years. But we have nobody else to blame other than ourselves because it’s us, Gasheads, who have let Wael blow his inheritance even though we’ve had numerous chances to exert our influence by telling him that what he was doing was not in Rovers best interests. Instead we’ve found it easier to play “ follow my leader” and ended up by very nearly being led over the edge of a cliff. A few years ago I was put in touch with gasandproud and his colleague who were willing, in confidence, to share details of their plans with me. I checked these out together with the background of the people they were working with and the likely partners who would have been willing to come on board if the stadium plan moved forward. In my opinion the plan would have had a good chance of success and was well worth looking at in depth but it was rejected by Rovers. I believe the reason for this was that the leadership soon realized that because of the scale of the plan they would be out of their depth, would lose control and would soon be sidelined. So Rovers lost the opportunity to gain something first class and will now have to put up with basic economy. I have no reason to doubt either of you. But why would you not blow this wide open publicly? If it was as nailed on as you say, then it would put the ownership in an untenable position really. Either they have to build something themselves or buddy up with gasandproud. WHatever it is, their hand would be forced wouldnt it? The information was given to me in confidence. I never said it was nailed on but that it was worth looking at in depth. And the main reason for this was because the group involved in the development includes serious investors and companies with nationally recognized names and there are logical reasons for a sports club to be included in the project which will be confirmed if Gloucestershire CCC take part. But the way things are going it’s worth pointing out the kind of games that were being played at the time didn’t do Rovers any good then and won’t do the club any good now. Wael initially took the Lyde Green opportunity seriously and as part of the process gasandproud and his colleague were invited to join Rovers board. As far as I am aware this was requested by the investors in the project who wanted to be sure that Rovers were represented by people they knew and who had the necessary expertise to carry it forward. With what has happened with the FM and even with the South Stand one can see how serious business people will assess a situation and take steps to avoid circumstances where their time and money is likely to be wasted. So the two Gasheads have the invitation to join the board, the paperwork is completed and they are both excited by the prospect of helping Rovers gain a new stadium and start to progress so that we can compete with Bristol City again. It’s all due to go through and then one Sunday evening, wham bang, they get a phone call to say it’s all off. No reason given that’s the end of it. As I posted above, my belief is that once Wael and his colleagues realized they were getting into bed with the “ big boys” they were going to be out of their depth and would lose control and this is the reason for the abrupt change of mind. I can’t be sure of this but can be sure that once the Lyde Green opportunity became known the local media were briefed that the project was a non starter and the credibility of the two Gashead involved was put in doubt. I see someone has posted that putting out the Fruit Market Stadium video when it was known the project was dead was disgraceful. To my mind treating gasandproud and his colleague the way they were was ten times worse. And now it looks as though the games may be starting again. |
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