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Post by eppinggas on Dec 31, 2023 16:26:59 GMT
Hi SDG you were right that the leadership was questioned as that was partly to blame for bans from the club forum and the dreaded '.' in response to some people's posts. There was a feeling of the 'best laid plans of mice and men...' and the “The road to hell is paved with good intentions...” noting that at heart people were well intentioned but unaccepting of even constructive criticism. I am disappointed that you 'feel a vibe that there is some sort of unrest behind the scenes again'. Where do you think that is coming from as the players seem to be forming a good rapport with the new manager and happy enough with his style of management? I have no evidence Chesh but I bulked when I read the article in the Daily Mail that Matt Taylor had cancelled the players Christmas Party following a defeat insinuating that it was a punishment which I soon discovered was fake news. Who released that story to the press? Obviously somebody with authority or the press wouldn't have run with it. Then, Ollie came out with a statement that he wouldn't have employed Matt Taylor in a millions years whilst praising the previous manager who caused so much division. Where did that come from? It was so un Ollie like. Yes, the players appear to be fully behind the manager and it was great when one of them publicly stated that the manager needed more help. If a player is that concerned then it is proof that they really do care. The new owners have my full support and I am really looking forward to being back at The Mem again soon to cheer Matt and the team on. HNY Cheshire. Spot on. Well, apart from 'bulked'. Baulked, or even balked, perchance. HNY Gasheads.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 16:34:37 GMT
I have no evidence Chesh but I bulked when I read the article in the Daily Mail that Matt Taylor had cancelled the players Christmas Party following a defeat insinuating that it was a punishment which I soon discovered was fake news. Who released that story to the press? Obviously somebody with authority or the press wouldn't have run with it. Then, Ollie came out with a statement that he wouldn't have employed Matt Taylor in a millions years whilst praising the previous manager who caused so much division. Where did that come from? It was so un Ollie like. Yes, the players appear to be fully behind the manager and it was great when one of them publicly stated that the manager needed more help. If a player is that concerned then it is proof that they really do care. The new owners have my full support and I am really looking forward to being back at The Mem again soon to cheer Matt and the team on. HNY Cheshire. Spot on. Well, apart from 'bulked'. Baulked, or even balked, perchance. HNY Gasheads. Bulked after what I've eaten this Christmas.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Dec 31, 2023 17:11:57 GMT
I have no evidence Chesh but I balked when I read the article in the Daily Mail that Matt Taylor had cancelled the players Christmas Party following a defeat insinuating that it was a punishment which I soon discovered was fake news. Who released that story to the press? Obviously somebody with authority or the press wouldn't have run with it. Then, Ollie came out with a statement that he wouldn't have employed Matt Taylor in a millions years whilst praising the previous manager who caused so much division. Where did that come from? It was so un Ollie like. Yes, the players appear to be fully behind the manager and it was great when one of them publicly stated that the manager needed more help. If a player is that concerned then it is proof that they really do care. The new owners have my full support and I am really looking forward to being back at The Mem again soon to cheer Matt and the team on. HNY Cheshire. I see where you are coming from SDG! A very Happy New Year to you too SDG and all my fellow Gasheads. May 2024 be a year of unity, a packed Mem and some great football! Oh and promotion would be nice too! Cheers!!
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 31, 2023 17:38:57 GMT
Neither tore trees up anywhere else. Best was Stewart who played about 100 games for Watford in the championship then drifted downwards. Wolleaston’s best days were in the conference with Cambridge and then Rubbish and Dustbins. He never really settled anywhere more than a couple of seasons. Mauge was the big miss. Although not technically the best player we had he was in the form of his life and bossing the middle of the park before his broken leg and the two youngsters were a gamble and proved not to be adequate replacements. My memory of the nearly season is that Beadle unsettled both Roberts and cureton and the team stopped playing as they had till the final 5 games. I remember those 2 appearing not to give a s**t in the way they performed and there were clearly those in the team who were pissed off at them. Holloway never gripped it though it was a difficult situation for a newish manager to deal with. The following season he really started to lose the plot with us and sacking was inevitable and a good decision imho. I recall one game where he lined us up with either 9 centre backs or defensive players so the best we would ever do was grind out a 0-0. At times as a manager he was great but at other times he was terrible and he was very erratic and volatile ( not to the extent of the recent cockwomble who wore the boss’s cap). His time has been and gone and I do not want him at the club in any footballing capacity. Look and move forward not harp back to yesteryear How about Penrice ? Penrice was great at scouting and coaching strikers and worked wonders on Roberts especially. No idea what he is doing now and if he hasn’t remained in the game then also last years chip paper
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 31, 2023 17:56:53 GMT
"I'm stunned no one asked the questions of Dunford" Sorry, but this is hysterical. You didn't have to be a genius to work out that the club was sliding out of the football league under that regime. We put in place a management team, against the wishes of the old guard, which got us promoted in their first full season, and when one man asked for the board to consider a restructure to further stabilise the club the supporters and in particular the supporters club chose to back the status quo. A few joy riders also jumped on board to oversee the same status quo take the club out of the league into non league football. Nah, nobody asked questions of Dunford and Co. Actually, I thought it wasn't the correct approach at the time but one director did make one comment which in hindsight was spot on, "As a supporter I always wondered why we were sh*t, now that I have joined this board I now know why." Sorry, I meant wasn’t in Penny who played for Watford. Stewart went to Ipswich. Maybe I am not understanding the thread in this instance Jordan Stewart not Marcus KP. He was one of the two untried youngsters we gambled on to cover the loss of both Mauge and Pritch to long term injury. Pritch’s Iirc was due to an unpunished assault from the footballing equivalent of a turnip - Titus f**king Bramble
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Dec 31, 2023 18:08:59 GMT
| P | Divisions | W | D | L | W% | W/L | W-L | IH | 246 | 3rd | 92 | 67 | 90 | 36.9% | 1.022 | +2 | GT | 47 | 3rd to 4th | 14 | 10 | 23 | 29.8% | 0.609 | -9 | RG | 81 | 4th | 22 | 22 | 37 | 27.2% | 0.595 | -15 | IA | 68 | 4th | 21 | 26 | 21 | 30.9% | 1.000 | 0 | PT | 284 | 4th to 3rd | 106 | 71 | 107 | 37.3% | 0.991 | -1 | DP | 13 | 3rd | 2 | 2 | 9 | 15.4% | 0.222 | -7 | PB | 29 | 4th | 8 | 6 | 15 | 27.6% | 0.533 | -7 | MM | 45 | 4th | 12 | 12 | 21 | 26.7% | 0.353 | -9 | JW | 69 | 4th | 24 | 21 | 24 | 34.8% | 1.000 | 0 | DC | 246 | 4th to 5th to 4th to 3rd | 104 | 56 | 86 | 42.3% | 1.209 | +18 | GC | 56 | 3rd | 25 | 18 | 13 | 44.6% | 1.923 | +12 | BG | 33 | 3rd | 6 | 10 | 17 | 18.2% | 0.353 | -11 | PT | 19 | 3rd | 5 | 3 | 11 | 26.3% | 0.455 | -6 | JB | 143 | 3rd to 4th to 3rd | 53 | 30 | 60 | 37.1% | 0.883 | -7 | MT | 7 | 3rd | 4 | 1 | 2 | 57.1% | 2.000 | +2 |
Very good. I have one fewer draws recorded for Trolls and Ollie's record I have as 248 90 70 88 36.3%. I also have Gerry's record between GT's stints which reads 30 9 9 12 30.0% if we're doing this chronologically. Happy New Year everyone!
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 31, 2023 18:14:00 GMT
And let's not forget that GC had steered us to 4th in the table - with a game in hand. And at one point in-play we were 2nd. Yes but I think was in BGs first match wasn’t it? We were leading AFC Wimbledon at the Mem on Boxing Day 1-0 with 20 mins to go and were second but they scored two late goals to stop the run. It never got any better!😢 UTG!
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Post by darloGas on Dec 31, 2023 18:42:43 GMT
I know it’s not funny but your post did give me a proper bellylaugh when thinking of the nastiness that went on, to actually and selfishly hold onto pereceived control over the good of the club. That was possibly the turning point which , in my opinion, stunted any chance of real progress. I can make a fair guess of whom you write of. To be honest after replying I regretted posting as it has been done to death but didn't want people to think that no questions were asked of the previous regime or that some didn't want to try to help improve the direction the club was going in. The likes of Ware and Higgs came along to try and prop them up but as the relegation from the league confirmed, they just made things worse. I do feel a vibe that there is some sort of unrest behind the scenes again which is a shame as Matt Taylor is a breath of fresh air for this club and he needs unity to take the club to the next level. Ain't that the truth😬
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 19:17:16 GMT
Very good. I have one fewer draws recorded for Trolls and Ollie's record I have as 248 90 70 88 36.3%. I knew someone would kindly check the numbers, and to be honest, I knew it would be you, mate. Mine are from Wikipedia, which I believe you've made corrections to before. IH's numbers need checking, for sure. Oh, brilliant. I have only been able to access his total numbers online, not his first and second spells. Nice one.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 31, 2023 20:48:35 GMT
One point that I agree with ITB on is collective responsibility for relegations as well as collective praise for promotions. SDG will clearly know better than me what went on in the club’s hierarchy in the years leading to us falling into the conference. Suffice to say I and any other gashead I knew with more than 2 brain cells were devastated when RAFC was torpedoed and Mike Turl left the club. It felt like we had passed up a significant opportunity to improve the club in a more progressive way. Sadly we were few in numbers and with no influence so there was little if anything we could do to change things no matter how much noise we made
Thanks also ITB for reminding me that we had David Hillier here. Total waste of space who thought he was too good to wear our shirt but in reality was totally unfit to do so. Would likely make my too 10 of worst ever players
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 31, 2023 20:55:42 GMT
Stats suggest that only DC and GC have been decent managers for us (Taylor excepted as too new in role but long may this continue) with the rest either mediocre or awful. The two that surprise me are Trolls whose record I would have thought would have been better and Ollie whose record is as mediocre as Poundland Pep’s. I guess his final half season wrecked his figures though???
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 31, 2023 20:57:40 GMT
And at one point in-play we were 2nd. Yes but I think was in BGs first match wasn’t it? We were leading AFC Wimbledon at the Mem on Boxing Day 1-0 with 20 mins to go and were second but they scored two late goals to stop the run. It never got any better!😢 UTG! The Benny effect kicked in on 70 mins then
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 23:44:41 GMT
Very good. I have one fewer draws recorded for Trolls and Ollie's record I have as 248 90 70 88 36.3%. I also have Gerry's record between GT's stints which reads 30 9 9 12 30.0% if we're doing this chronologically. Happy New Year everyone! Alright, comrade; let's get this sorted. Soccerbase helped me split Garry Thompson's stats between his relegation after Ian Holloway and his spell in the fourth division after Gerry Francis's second spell. | P | Divisions | W | D | L | W% | W/L | W-L | IH | *246 | 3rd | *92 | *67 | *90 | 36.9% | 1.022 | +2 | GT | 23 | 3rd (relegated) | 7 | 5 | 11 | 30.4% | 0.609 | -9 | GF | *31 | 4th | 9 | *10 | 12 | 29.0% | 0.750 | -3 | GT | 24 | 4th | 7 | 5 | 12 | 29.2% | 0.583 | -5 | RG | 81 | 4th | 22 | 22 | 37 | 27.2% | 0.595 | -15 | IA | 68 | 4th | 21 | 26 | 21 | 30.9% | 1.000 | 0 | PT | *284 | 4th to 3rd | 106 | *71 | 107 | 37.3% | 0.991 | -1 | DP | 13 | 3rd | 2 | 2 | 9 | 15.4% | 0.222 | -7 | PB | 29 | 4th | 8 | 6 | 15 | 27.6% | 0.533 | -7 | MM | 45 | 4th | 12 | 12 | 21 | 26.7% | 0.353 | -9 | JW | 69 | 4th | 24 | 21 | 24 | 34.8% | 1.000 | 0 | DC | 246 | 4th to 5th to 4th to 3rd | 104 | 56 | 86 | 42.3% | 1.209 | +18 | GC | 56 | 3rd | 25 | 18 | 13 | 44.6% | 1.923 | +12 | BG | 33 | 3rd | 6 | 10 | 17 | 18.2% | 0.353 | -11 | PT | 19 | 3rd | 5 | 3 | 11 | 26.3% | 0.455 | -6 | JB | 143 | 3rd to 4th to 3rd | 53 | 30 | 60 | 37.1% | 0.883 | -7 | MT | 7 | 3rd | 4 | 1 | 2 | 57.1% | 2.000 | +2 |
Data for Ian Holloway differs as follows: | P | W | D | L | W% | W/L | W-L | IH on Soccerbase and IH Wiki | 247 | 90 | 70 | 87 | 36.4% | 1.034 | +3 | IH on BRFC Wiki | 249 | 92 | 67 | 90 | 36.9% | 1.022 | +2 | IH via Bamber Gashead | 248 | 90 | 70 | 88 | 36.3% | 1.023 | +2 |
Data for Gerry Francis differs as follows: | P | W | D | L | W% | W/L | W-L | GF on Soccerbase | 31 | 9 | 10 | 12 | 29.0% | 0.750 | -3 | GF via Bamber Gashead | 30 | 9 | 9 | 12 | 30.0% | 0.750 | -3 |
Data for Paul Trollope differs as follows: | P | W | D | L | W% | W/L | W-L | PT on Wiki/Soccerbase | 284 | 106 | 71 | 107 | 37.3% | 0.991 | -1 | PT via Bamber Gashead | 283? | 106 | 70 | 107 | 37.5%? | 0.991 | -1 |
Maybe we can work the truth out in 2024: happy new year!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 1, 2024 0:43:46 GMT
Sorry, I meant wasn’t in Penny who played for Watford. Stewart went to Ipswich. Maybe I am not understanding the thread in this instance Jordan Stewart not Marcus KP. He was one of the two untried youngsters we gambled on to cover the loss of both Mauge and Pritch to long term injury. Pritch’s Iirc was due to an unpunished assault from the footballing equivalent of a turnip - Titus f**king Bramble Thanks
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Jan 1, 2024 9:20:24 GMT
Very good. I have one fewer draws recorded for Trolls and Ollie's record I have as 248 90 70 88 36.3%. I also have Gerry's record between GT's stints which reads 30 9 9 12 30.0% if we're doing this chronologically. Happy New Year everyone! Alright, comrade; let's get this sorted. Soccerbase helped me split Garry Thompson's stats between his relegation after Ian Holloway and his spell in the fourth division after Gerry Francis's second spell. | P | Divisions | W | D | L | W% | W/L | W-L | IH | *246 | 3rd | *92 | *67 | *90 | 36.9% | 1.022 | +2 | GT | 23 | 3rd (relegated) | 7 | 5 | 11 | 30.4% | 0.609 | -9 | GF | *31 | 4th | 9 | *10 | 12 | 29.0% | 0.750 | -3 | GT | 24 | 4th | 7 | 5 | 12 | 29.2% | 0.583 | -5 | RG | 81 | 4th | 22 | 22 | 37 | 27.2% | 0.595 | -15 | IA | 68 | 4th | 21 | 26 | 21 | 30.9% | 1.000 | 0 | PT | *284 | 4th to 3rd | 106 | *71 | 107 | 37.3% | 0.991 | -1 | DP | 13 | 3rd | 2 | 2 | 9 | 15.4% | 0.222 | -7 | PB | 29 | 4th | 8 | 6 | 15 | 27.6% | 0.533 | -7 | MM | 45 | 4th | 12 | 12 | 21 | 26.7% | 0.353 | -9 | JW | 69 | 4th | 24 | 21 | 24 | 34.8% | 1.000 | 0 | DC | 246 | 4th to 5th to 4th to 3rd | 104 | 56 | 86 | 42.3% | 1.209 | +18 | GC | 56 | 3rd | 25 | 18 | 13 | 44.6% | 1.923 | +12 | BG | 33 | 3rd | 6 | 10 | 17 | 18.2% | 0.353 | -11 | PT | 19 | 3rd | 5 | 3 | 11 | 26.3% | 0.455 | -6 | JB | 143 | 3rd to 4th to 3rd | 53 | 30 | 60 | 37.1% | 0.883 | -7 | MT | 7 | 3rd | 4 | 1 | 2 | 57.1% | 2.000 | +2 |
Data for Ian Holloway differs as follows: | P | W | D | L | W% | W/L | W-L | IH on Soccerbase and IH Wiki | 247 | 90 | 70 | 87 | 36.4% | 1.034 | +3 | IH on BRFC Wiki | 249 | 92 | 67 | 90 | 36.9% | 1.022 | +2 | IH via Bamber Gashead | 248 | 90 | 70 | 88 | 36.3% | 1.023 | +2 |
Data for Gerry Francis differs as follows: | P | W | D | L | W% | W/L | W-L | GF on Soccerbase | 31 | 9 | 10 | 12 | 29.0% | 0.750 | -3 | GF via Bamber Gashead | 30 | 9 | 9 | 12 | 30.0% | 0.750 | -3 |
Data for Paul Trollope differs as follows: | P | W | D | L | W% | W/L | W-L | PT on Wiki/Soccerbase | 284 | 106 | 71 | 107 | 37.3% | 0.991 | -1 | PT via Bamber Gashead | 283? | 106 | 70 | 107 | 37.5%? | 0.991 | -1 |
Maybe we can work the truth out in 2024: happy new year! I wonder if Soccerbase includes the Gloucester Cup matches? My stats don't include any 'friendlies'. Here's the whole lot to date from 1987-88 including caretakers managers and also league matches separately as well.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jan 1, 2024 9:59:53 GMT
"I'm stunned no one asked the questions of Dunford" Sorry, but this is hysterical. You didn't have to be a genius to work out that the club was sliding out of the football league under that regime. We put in place a management team, against the wishes of the old guard, which got us promoted in their first full season, and when one man asked for the board to consider a restructure to further stabilise the club the supporters and in particular the supporters club chose to back the status quo. A few joy riders also jumped on board to oversee the same status quo take the club out of the league into non league football. Nah, nobody asked questions of Dunford and Co. Actually, I thought it wasn't the correct approach at the time but one director did make one comment which in hindsight was spot on, "As a supporter I always wondered why we were sh*t, now that I have joined this board I now know why." I was talking about our relegation to league 2 in 2001 not our slide out of the football league in 2014. Our demise started in 2001 not in 2014.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 10:03:25 GMT
I wonder if Soccerbase includes the Gloucester Cup matches? My stats don't include any 'friendlies'. It's a question worth exploring. Do your stats begin from GF because that's when you started going? I started under IH, an August Saturday on the West of an uncovered North terrace at the Memorial Ground, although I was not a season ticket holder until Graydon. I fear you may have enjoyed the best of Rovers, before I endured the worst. It woukd be nice for Coughlan to see this 'G Coughlan' thread.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jan 1, 2024 10:05:35 GMT
"I'm stunned no one asked the questions of Dunford" Sorry, but this is hysterical. You didn't have to be a genius to work out that the club was sliding out of the football league under that regime. We put in place a management team, against the wishes of the old guard, which got us promoted in their first full season, and when one man asked for the board to consider a restructure to further stabilise the club the supporters and in particular the supporters club chose to back the status quo. A few joy riders also jumped on board to oversee the same status quo take the club out of the league into non league football. Nah, nobody asked questions of Dunford and Co. Actually, I thought it wasn't the correct approach at the time but one director did make one comment which in hindsight was spot on, "As a supporter I always wondered why we were sh*t, now that I have joined this board I now know why." Sorry, I meant wasn’t in Penny who played for Watford. Stewart went to Ipswich. Maybe I am not understanding the thread in this instance Perhaps and SDG is taking it in another direction too! I thought we were talking about the Ollie years and the reason for our demise in 2001. As I stated, between Ollie and Dunford, in 2001, they made a total cats arse of everything. Ollie for his signings and tactics and Dunford for his decision makings and poor appointments once he sacked Ollie.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Jan 1, 2024 10:26:54 GMT
I wonder if Soccerbase includes the Gloucester Cup matches? My stats don't include any 'friendlies'. It's a question worth exploring. Do your stats begin from GF because that's when you started going? I started under IH, an August Saturday on the West of an uncovered North terrace at the Memorial Ground, although I was not a season ticket holder until Graydon. I fear you may have enjoyed the best of Rovers, before I endured the worst. It woukd be nice for Coughlan to see this 'G Coughlan' thread. I think that was the conclusion I drew when comparing stats. My first match was 24/03/1979 v Oldham; the most dire 0-0 imaginable. My stats follow on from this treasured beauty.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 21:56:07 GMT
"I'm stunned no one asked the questions of Dunford" Sorry, but this is hysterical. You didn't have to be a genius to work out that the club was sliding out of the football league under that regime. We put in place a management team, against the wishes of the old guard, which got us promoted in their first full season, and when one man asked for the board to consider a restructure to further stabilise the club the supporters and in particular the supporters club chose to back the status quo. A few joy riders also jumped on board to oversee the same status quo take the club out of the league into non league football. Nah, nobody asked questions of Dunford and Co. Actually, I thought it wasn't the correct approach at the time but one director did make one comment which in hindsight was spot on, "As a supporter I always wondered why we were sh*t, now that I have joined this board I now know why." I was talking about our relegation to league 2 in 2001 not our slide out of the football league in 2014. Our demise started in 2001 not in 2014. They were certainly bad times after 2001 but 2005-10 were pretty good weren't they? The real demise of the club came after Geoff Dunford had stood down and Higgs & Co took the club into the worse spiral ever seen and out of the league. Geoff Dunford made lots of mistakes but inviting Nick Higgs onto the board in 2006 was bar far his worse. My point being, there were lots of questions asked following 2001 but nobody wanted to hear the answers.
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